Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Mon Apr 24 06:52:08 UTC 2017

Wait, isn't Orca just a Gnome thing altogether? since RH uses Gnome,
	Orca comes by default. I seriously think not one of the
	distributions /care/ about accessibility. I know, it’s harsh of
	me to say so, but the main developers? Shoot no! It’s truly up
	to us to blast our way in if we want things to be stable, up to
	date, all that. Just look at Fedora’s accessibility Wiki pages.
	Even arch and Debian are better than that.
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Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at> writes:

> I'm Tony Baechler. Umm, Kyle, no. Anyone can host any project without
> caring about accessibility. As you surely know, anyone can dump files
> on a public server and anyone can host a git repo. No, RH doesn't host
> Orca. The Gnome Foundation ( hosts Orca. Their server is in
> Sweden. Joanie doesn't work for RH. She works for a totally unrelated
> company, the name of which escapes me. I have no idea how much work
> they put into their installer, but I would say too little, too late.
> You didn't address the broken Speakup kernel. Ubuntu doesn't have
> console speech working out of the box either, (one can set it up
> within a terminal app) but at least the Speakup modules work.
> I don't blame RH for the state of the list or the spam. I blame them
> for their business decisions which seem to preclude accessibility and
> generally looking (pun intended) the other way when approached over
> the years. I do think it would be a very good idea to get this list
> off of their infrastructure. As I posted elsewhere, I'm not sure that
> or are good choices.
> On 4/24/2017 4:14 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Tony,
>> First of all, as far as I've been able to deduce over the years, everyone
>> *cares* about accessibility. The problem is that no one *knows how* to best
>> address any issues with it. Red Hat certainly does care. If they didn't
>> care, they wouldn't ship Orca, or they wouldn't implement the alt+super+s
>> shortcut to turn on Orca in GNOME. Defaults you say, maybe. But still, if
>> they didn't care, why would they do so much work to get their installer
>> working with Orca? I don't think all that work was an accident.
>> With regard to yet another list, it's not necessary at all. We do still have
>> this list, and we can just put our names into our messages. Kyle here ....
>> In any case, if we don't want that, the FSF does have an accessibility list
>> as well.
>> No sense making yet another Linux/free software accessibility list. Either
>> use this one, that one or both. In any case, we can't be blaming Red Hat for
>> the current state of this list. They did what they could do as quickly as
>> they could do it. Instead, if there is any blame to throw around, we should
>> be blaming the spammers that got us here.
>> ~Kyle
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