blinux list Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Mon Apr 24 11:31:31 UTC 2017

I wouldn't mind moving to a new list.
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Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at> writes:

> It's not true that Red Hat did what they could do as quickly as they
> could do it. The spam problem went on for months before some of us
> finally started to make an issue of it. Even then it tooke a couple of
> weeks before anything was done. Secondly, they should have removed the
> spammer from the list instead of changing the list settings.  I got
> all kinds of pushback on my assertion that it was clearly a spam bot
> subscribed to the list. But, of course, that's been proven to have
> been true. I am sure now I'll get pushback on my assertion that you
> can figure out who the spammer was. Heck, it might be as easy as
> checking the list of subscribers.
> Like I said when this first came up, I vote for taking it to
> I feel we all have a vested interested in promoting IAVIT.
> I am the Presidet of IAVIT but I'm just trying to provide a service
> for the blind community as a whole.
> -- John Heim
> On 04/24/2017 06:14 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Tony,
>> First of all, as far as I've been able to deduce over the years,
>> everyone *cares* about accessibility. The problem is that no one
>> *knows how* to best address any issues with it. Red Hat certainly
>> does care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't ship Orca, or they
>> wouldn't implement the alt+super+s shortcut to turn on Orca in
>> GNOME. Defaults you say, maybe. But still, if they didn't care, why
>> would they do so much work to get their installer working with Orca?
>> I don't think all that work was an accident.
>> With regard to yet another list, it's not necessary at all. We do
>> still have this list, and we can just put our names into our
>> messages. Kyle here .... In any case, if we don't want that, the FSF
>> does have an accessibility list as well.
>> No sense making yet another Linux/free software accessibility list.
>> Either use this one, that one or both. In any case, we can't be
>> blaming Red Hat for the current state of this list. They did what
>> they could do as quickly as they could do it. Instead, if there is
>> any blame to throw around, we should be blaming the spammers that
>> got us here.
>> ~Kyle
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