Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Tue Apr 25 17:22:35 UTC 2017

I just don't understand how you can fail to see how judgemental you are 
being. My hardware speech synth is not obsolete as proven by the very 
fact that I use it all the time and the speakup code is being actively 
developed as we speak. It's just a different choice I made.  I have very 
good reasons for preferring the hardware speech synth to a serial 
terminal as I've already explained.

There is no technical reason for the serial terminal to be in the 
mainstream kernel code and speakup not. That was an arbitrary decision 
made by the kernel developers. I personally asked about this on the 
kernel developers email list. Why can't speakup just borrow the code for 
accessing the serial port from the serial terminal code? Because it has 
the same problem. Well, if both speakup and the serial terminal have the 
same problem with the way the access the serial port, what's the right 
way? There is none. Okay, if they both access the serial port the wrong 
way, why is the serial terminal code in the mainstream kernel code and 
speakup in staging? No answer.
I am not likely to ever use sonar/vinux. I don't really have any skin in 
this game. But I just find your my way or the highway attitude shocking 
and unethical. I am not saying you have an ethical obligation to include 
speakup in vinux. I am saying you have an ethical obligation to value 
the opinions of others and not to merely dismiss them when they don't 
happen to agree with your own way of doing things.

-- John Heim
. On 04/24/2017 07:15 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> The serial terminal is indeed built into the kernel, but the difference
> is that it isn't stuck in staging with no hope of ever getting out into
> the main tree. In fact, the serial terminal has been a part of the base
> kernel for many many years. And what in the world is wrong with using a
> cable to connect to something inexpensive instead of purchasing an
> obsolete piece of hardware that costs way more than it's worth,
> especially if it's possible to purchase a fully functional computer for
> a much lower price?
> OK, Speakup is now once again in active development, and there have been
> a ton of messages to the Speakup list during the month of April of this
> year, and a few more in March as I recall. But my point is that if Red
> Hat's work toward the accessibility of its installer is "too little too
> late" as one person mentioned here, about 7 patches under review in
> Speakup over the course of 30 to 45 days is also too little too late, by
> far, as Speakup has had far longer to get it right and to position
> itself as the only screen reader to ever make it into any mainline
> kernel on any operating system, and it has thus far failed miserably.
> Sorry, I'll just stick with my $15 uart to USB cable and my $15 single
> board computer, as I can't be bothered to try to find a working hardware
> speech synthesizer and the correct port to plug it into while I wait for
> Speakup to get proper USB support and to be available on any kernel no
> matter who is distributing it.
> ~Kyle
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