Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Wed Apr 26 13:39:25 UTC 2017

I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I 
have met the most unbelievable people in that group. You know the 
saying, "Get knocked down 9 times, get up ten"? Try get knocked down a 
thousand times and get up a thousand and one. I used to think I had no 
reason to hang out with other blind people. We happen to be blind but 
other than that we have nothing in common. But I've never met a better 
bunch of people in my life. Not only do I really enjoy it, it helps me 
keep my perspective.

PS: It was probably really stupid of me to start this thread. I didn't 
intend to start an NFB vs ACB debate. I deliberately titled the thread 
NFB *and* ACB as if that would matter.  Stupid.

-- John Heim

On 04/26/2017 06:28 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Tony Baechler here. I don't know who you are, but I thank you! I
> couldn't agree more! I went to the LCB. That was the worst month of my
> life! They tried to take my SSI (I guess I shouldn't be allowed to
> manage my own money), wouldn't help me learn even basic tasks and told
> me to sink or swim. Huh? What about training? I'm a cane user and I
> don't like dogs out of preference. Guide dogs were absolutely forbidden.
> Too bad if you have some vision as you weren't allowed to use it. Oh,
> you need help in cooking class? Too bad for you! I was very much a
> believer in the NFB until then, but no more! I was a member at large of
> the ACB, but am not currently a member of either. Of the two, the ACB is
> far more welcoming and friendly. I would join them just for that reason,
> but I think their structured negotiation method of getting things done
> as opposed to suing the pants off everyone works much better and makes
> the blind look better. The NFB has benefitted from what the ACB has
> done, just as the ACB has. I'm starting to see those few, rare times
> when both worked together. I predict that within 20 years, they merge.
> Also, the ACB split off the NFB in 1961.
> On 4/25/2017 4:05 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> NFB members at a training center alienated me through their rigid
>> insistence on straight canes and failure to account for the
>> multiply-disabled or congenitally blind in training methods. I also
>> couldn't stomach their idea that I should run all my words and actions
>> through the "how does this make all blind people look" filter, or that
>> becoming normal should be my ultimate goal. Several of us in here
>> would have to lose a bunch of IQ points to be considered normal. And,
>> I hate the Borg.
>> That was over a decade ago. I'm on some of their mailing lists and I
>> have some of their folding) canes since those are useful things. I
>> won't join, but I've met some interesting individual members.
>> On 4/25/17, Linux for blind general discussion
>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> The ACB's lawsuit against the U.S. Department of the Treasury to make
>>> them make money accessible was already flawed to say the least.
>>> According to the United States Constitution, the power to design money
>>> has been delegated to Congress, and the Department of the Treasury is
>>> only responsible for carrying out the orders of Congress. Therefore, the
>>> best way to make money accessible would have been for any and all
>>> so-called advocacy organizations to lobby Congress and get a bill passed
>>> and signed by the President of the United States that would redesign our
>>> money in an accessible way. Do I think the ACB's lawsuit was a publicity
>>> stunt? Absolutely, as if they wanted us to have accessible money for
>>> sure, they would have gone through the proper channels and we would have
>>> had it by now. Instead, where are we? No closer to truly accessible
>>> currency than we were when this whole sleighride begen nearly 10 years
>>> ago. Thank you, ACB and NFB for being such advocates for the needs of
>>> blind and visually impaired citizens of the United States. Without your
>>> petty bickering and your "We're not them" attitudes, the world would
>>> certainly be a better and more friendly place for all of us.
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