Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Thu Apr 27 21:35:30 UTC 2017

But we're talking about attracting blind users, right? Shells and
terminals are more natural for us than GUIs. Instructing the computer
is far more intuitive than pretending that it's a two-dimensional
surface with pictures on it.


On 4/27/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at> wrote:
> According to r.d.t.prater:
> # Otherwise, they’ll turn back to iOS, and Voiceover,
> # 	which can speak Emoji and such, pretty quickly.
> Not quite. I happen to know that Android and Google's speech synthesizer
> can speak emojis as well, and has had such capability for some time. On
> my Android devices, I do still use Google's speech synthesizer because
> it's the only one so far that speaks them, so I am able to emoji with
> the best, or the worst of them as it were. At this point, I still run
> the older Android Espeak on my devices, as there has been no espeak-ng
> update as of now. But I use Google mostly, because I feel like I'm
> missing something because the newer version isn't yet available, and
> even it doesn't fully support unicode yet. Does that mean that I will
> give up on Espeak ever getting full unicode support, especially for
> emojis? Hell no. And Emacs is far too convoluted for me to try to learn
> now, especially since it hasn't changed much since the first time I
> tried it many years ago, and now just getting Emacspeak to build is more
> trouble than it's worth. Seriously, it's all this talk of terminals and
> shells and Emacs and Vim that will drive new users away from Linux more
> than the lack of emoji support in Espeak. There is this perception in
> the wider world that Linux is all about these terminals and shells and
> editors that try to be so much more than just editors, and that it's
> only good for geeky types and server administrators. This glaring
> misconception has indeed been fed by the likes of Microsoft and other
> major marketing firms, who long ago relegated Linux to the data center
> and continue to tell the general public that it's just not for them. But
> many of us who use Linux every day also help to spread this false
> perception when we can't have a user friendly discussion of desktop
> Linux, because even when we install it for others, we can't seem to get
> past the terminal, the shell, the editor that tries to be and do too
> much, etc. Sorry, trying to get the general public at large to use Emacs
> will never fly, as it just feeds that geek perception of Linux and does
> nothing to make it more productive for the end user. Of course I'm not
> saying that you shouldn't use Emacspeak if you got it to build and it
> works for you. But I am saying that in order to debunk the myth that
> Linux is somehow inferior or is only for the geekiest, we need to start
> thinking more inclusively. This means thinking of the power user stuff
> like the shells and terminals and supereditors as an extension of the
> desktop, rather than thinking of the desktop as a necessary evil that we
> need to use to browse the web.
> ~Kyle
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