Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Thu Apr 27 22:31:41 UTC 2017

According to Amanda:
# But we're talking about attracting blind users, right? Shells and
# terminals are more natural for us than GUIs. Instructing the computer
# is far more intuitive than pretending that it's a two-dimensional
# surface with pictures on it.

Yes and no. First and foremost, I personally deal mostly with the 
general public at large, so it's more important that I have the 
accessibility I need to work with them most effectively than what I want 
for myself, even if the shell is what I want. That said, I personally 
find the keyboard input and menu-driven aspects of most graphical 
environments to be more intuitive than the cryptic commands the shell 
many times requires. If I was able to simply tell the computer something 
like: "Read my e-mail" and it would know exactly what parts of what 
messages I want to read without me having to give a full command to 
delete one, go to the next one, read that, whatever, then I may feel 
differently. But all e-mail programs require some form of menu-based or 
similar system, and I do prefer the presentation of Seamonkey or 
Thunderbird over that of the text-based applications, especially since I 
don't have to worry about where in the message my screen ends or how to 
get out of a quote from one of those ever-popular bottom posters, as 
Orca gives me a quick and easy escape. I do prefer the shell to move 
files and such, but renaming is actually easier from a graphical file 
manager, as it pops up a text box that I can edit, copy, paste, whatever 
in order to change part of the name without having to change most of it, 
add things quickly and easily, etc. For the most part, the graphical 
environment is quite intuitive, since what I see is the text menus, the 
text below icons, tab order if applicable, various spoken controls, a 
dynamically read e-mail that I can see my choice of line by line or all 
at once, press enter once I get to a link to activate it, etc. I don't 
see the two-dimentional surface or the pictures, so I only have to deal 
with what is presented to me. I also don't have to figure out what 
command to type next to get where I need to go or how to properly edit 
the configuration file for a specific application, as the controls, when 
spoken to me or presented in the menu system, do all that for me.

If you feel that a terminal or a shell is more useful to you, then by 
all means use it. I'm only saying that the graphical environment cannot 
and should not be neglected nor thought of as second-class access if we 
want to attract users, blind or otherwise, who aren't at all used to a 
terminal, especially in the days of mobile devices that don't just have 
phone buttons on them, where many people, blind or not, have become used 
to graphical layouts, and expect first-class access to same.

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