Help with a few projects

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Wed Dec 13 00:29:50 UTC 2017

Did u restart your webserver?

On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at> wrote:
> Hi,
> Darn! I tried this fix as outlined below.
> Root at vps: # adduser wordpressuser www-data Adding wordpressuer to
> www-data, done.
> root at vps: # chown wordpressuser:www-data -R /var/www/html
> Root at VPS: #
> Win SCP shows that /blog owner is wordpressuer, group is www-data, with
> same read write execute permissions.
> I went to update an existing plug-in and was presented with this message.
> Connection Information
> To perform the requested action, WordPress needs to access your web
> server. Please enter your FTP credentials to proceed. If you do not
> remember your credentials, you should contact your web host.
> Hostname
> On 12/12/2017 3:35 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> I'm asking my friend to see if they can join this list and or e-mail you
>> as they have more experience using various Linux distributions, whereas
>> I only have used one.
>> He said that Cent OS, which is a Red Hat distribution has a completely
>> different management than Debian-based systems. So I'm wondering if this
>> list is for people who use Red Hat only, or if it includes discussions
>> about Debian and Arch distributions.
>> -P.S. I'm also known as HeavenlyHarmony.
>> On 12/12/2017 3:29 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I apologize. Ulysses is generally a male name, at least here in the
>>> States. As for your being young, my kids are all older than u--so to
>>> me you're young. I had actually guessed your age at 22, so I was not
>>> far off.
>>> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> For your information, could you please address me properly? I am female,
>>>> and I do not know if there is anything that had implied that I was of a
>>>> much younger age, but I am twenty-three.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> -HeavenlyHarmony
>>>> On 12/12/2017 3:00 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Ulysses, if you've got an Apache webserver, then generally speaking
>>>>> the group to hwich the webserver belongs by default is www-data. So u
>>>>> would add the wordpressuser to that group. Again, your postfix error
>>>>> is telling u that your user/group permissions are incorrect.
>>>>> My web hosting invoicing program just crappe the bed. I really need to
>>>>> get that up first before I can provide much help. I apologize. I would
>>>>> be willing to try to help once I get this situation straightened out &
>>>>> a small website built for a client. But right now, young Sir, I'm a
>>>>> little inundated. Truthfully, given the way things are now, it's
>>>>> likely gonna be hard for me to get back w/u to any meaningful degree
>>>>> till after the first of the year. I'm sorry. Holidays w/a family &
>>>>> trying to run a business can get a little hectic. But if I can get my
>>>>> invoice program working in a reasonable timeframe, I'll get back on
>>>>> list sooner & see if I can't help u out. I hope that sounds fair.
>>>>> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>> <blinux-list at>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> This is the guide I used to follow and set up Postfix.
>>>>>> The error occurred here. wordpressuser at vps:~$ echo "This is the body
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the e-mail." | mail -s "This is the subject of the e-mail."
>>>>>> green_gables
>>>>>> _fan33 at
>>>>>> Can't canonicalize "/home/wordpressuser/Maildir"
>>>>>> wordpressuser at vps:~$ postdrop: warning: /etc/postfix/
>>>>>> file is owned or writable by non-root users -- skip
>>>>>> ping this file
>>>>>> Could you be less vague. I.E. provide actual steps on how to fix this
>>>>>> problem? I'll outline the steps I took when I read this sentence. Your
>>>>>> problem w/WordPress is that you likely don't have the user of the
>>>>>> wordpress files belonging to the webserver group. Once u make that
>>>>>> happen, your updating problems will disappear. U need to set the file
>>>>>> permissions back to a safer level, or your site wil get hacked.
>>>>>> I only understood you as far as needing to change the ownership of the
>>>>>> WordPressfiles and their permissions. /var/www/html/blog, where blog
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the folder that contains WordPress, is as follows, using Win SCP. blog
>>>>>> Owner: wordpressuser, Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder, Rights:
>>>>>> rwsrwsrwt, Changed: 12/12/2017 1:58:35 P
>>>>>> Based on your statement, I assumed that I needed to change ownership
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> both group and user, and change permissions to Apache2, MySQL, and PHP
>>>>>> to the same user that WordPress is set to.
>>>>>> /etc/apache2, /etc/mysql, and /etc/php
>>>>>> apache2 Owner: wordpressuser, Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder,
>>>>>> Rights: rwsrwsrwt, Changed: 11/28/2017 1:25:20 A mysql Owner:
>>>>>> wordpressuser, Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder, Rights:
>>>>>> rwsrwsrwt, Changed: 10/29/2017 6:02:10 P php Owner: wordpressuser,
>>>>>> Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder, Rights: rwsrwsrwt, Changed:
>>>>>> 9/16/2017 12:33:01 P
>>>>>> I tried updating a plug-in, but it is still giving me the same error
>>>>>> message. If you want to do an actual session where you could try to
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> me via phone or Skype, I let me know if you would like to pay you a
>>>>>> small sum or if you'd like to volunteer your time.
>>>>>> Also, you didn't specify how having all files and folders set to 7777
>>>>>> would increase the level of attack if Cloudflare is supposed to keep
>>>>>> people from finding out my IP address, or if they tried accessing
>>>>>> wp-content/uploads and put malicious PHP scripts.
>>>>>> I think Windows servers have their place in the universe, but why they
>>>>>> have to be expensive I know not. Yes, Linux is all done via bash and
>>>>>> SSH, whereas Windows is done via remote desktop. And for some people,
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you want to get things done without worrying about command lines, you
>>>>>> could try C-Panel or something simple, but if you want to know how and
>>>>>> why things work, and how the puzles all fit together, you can learn as
>>>>>> long as you have a good support sytem, and many people do not have
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> What kind of certain web components would be redirected that would
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> it difficult for a beginner to work around? How accessible is
>>>>>> cloudflare? I noticed some unusual buttons that have vague labels and
>>>>>> whatnot. I am using NVDA on Windows 10 with Google Chrome and Firefox.
>>>>>> -Ulysses
>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 1:19 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> Ulysses, provide your error logs & we can assist w/the postfix
>>>>>>> problem. If those error logs contain information u don't wish on a
>>>>>>> public list, then go ahead & email me privately at
>>>>>>> abletec at g mail dot com. You can't copy-&-paste that email, as I've
>>>>>>> munged it to prevent spam harvesting, but u should be able to figure
>>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>> Your problem w/WordPress is that you likely don't have the user of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wordpress files belonging to the webserver group. Once u make that
>>>>>>> happen, your updating problems will disappear. U need to set the file
>>>>>>> permissions back to a safer level, or your site wil get hacked.
>>>>>>> Unless there's a compelling reason to do so, ie, you're developing
>>>>>>> some sort of Windows software, my recommendation would be to use
>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>> to host websites. It's cheaper, &, IMO, also more secure for a number
>>>>>>> of reasons. I realize I'll likely encounter the ire of some on this
>>>>>>> list for saying thus, but it really is a fact, IMO.
>>>>>>> I would also advise disabling Cloudflare until you get everything set
>>>>>>> up, because it tends to add an additional layer in terms of
>>>>>>> redirecting certain web components that makes things hard for a
>>>>>>> beginner to learn & figure out what's going on.
>>>>>>> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> <blinux-list at>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> My name is Ulysses Harmony Garcia. My web site is
>>>>>>>> I heard about I heard
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> this mailing list through a Facebook post.
>>>>>>>>        For several years, I've been trying to figure out what kind
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> services I
>>>>>>>>        could use to satisfy my needs. In the early 2010's, I looked
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>>        hosting plans, but the more I looked at them, the more I
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> them because I wanted to be able to have full
>>>>>>>>        control of the server. All they let you use is a public HTML
>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>> and an FTP server port 21 or 990 for secure connections, and a
>>>>>>>> web-based
>>>>>>>> administration tool like Webmin or C-Panel. So I continued using
>>>>>>>> Dropbox
>>>>>>>> to host my web site. The only problem was that I had to use an http
>>>>>>>> colon slash slash dl dot dropboxusercontent dot com slash u slash
>>>>>>>> xxxxxxxx slash index dot html to render it, which is a pretty long
>>>>>>>> link,
>>>>>>>> but at least it worked.
>>>>>>>> Four years later, I looked into the cloud, SSD, and dedicated
>>>>>>>>        VPS options. By asking around, I heard of several different
>>>>>>>> choices
>>>>>>>> such as Linode,
>>>>>>>>        Vultr, Digital Ocean, OVH, and through a diary entry I had
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>        2014, VPS dot Next, I had to learn about which operating
>>>>>>>> system I
>>>>>>>> would most likely
>>>>>>>>        use for the server. Since 2005, I have primarily used
>>>>>>>> Windows,
>>>>>>>>        and I started using a Mac in 2011. I have never used Linux,
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>        probably chose to stay away from it because I associated
>>>>>>>> Linux as
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>        operating system only computer geeks would use. So when I was
>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>        VPS, I was lucky to find a Windows server on vps dot net.
>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> when I told others
>>>>>>>>        about it, many people acted like that was a crime, or that it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>        impractical to use Windows as a server, and that 99.99% of
>>>>>>>> the web
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>        hosted by Linux, which was meant to be used as a server
>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>        I've done most of the work on my own. I first began with a
>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>        virtual private server at VPS dot net, but I was not able to
>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>        up the web server, database server and PHP to work on-line,
>>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>>>        through Localhost. I wasn't able to use Internet Information
>>>>>>>> Services
>>>>>>>>        IIS either, so I gave up on it and cancelled my server.
>>>>>>>> Fortunately,
>>>>>>>> I kept my
>>>>>>>>        account active, so I could come back to it when I wasn't
>>>>>>>> overwhelmed.
>>>>>>>> I even tried enabling Internet Information Services on my Windows 10
>>>>>>>> computer by using the enable or disables Windows features. I checked
>>>>>>>> every one of them, but when I typed localhost in the connect to
>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>> dialogue box, I got this message. IIS6 Manager  dialogue  Unable to
>>>>>>>> connect to localhost. The target server does not have the SMTP
>>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>> installed. You cannot manage an IIS 7.5 Web or FTP server by using
>>>>>>>> Internet Information Services (6.0) Manager.
>>>>>>>>        As primarily being an extroverted person, I get energy from
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>        other people rather than working alone, yet for some reason,
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>        encountered a lot of people who think that being too
>>>>>>>> dependent on
>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>        was a bad thing, that being completely independent was the
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>        go. I disagree with that. I mean, I can see why some people
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>        want to be too dependent on others for fear of taking too
>>>>>>>> much of
>>>>>>>>        someone's time or being too clingy, etc, or taking advantage
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>        person, but I also believe that there needs to be a balance
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>        others and being self-reliable. This is where interdependence
>>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>> in. Manuals are never straightforward. You can follow the directions
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the manual as exactly outlined and end up with error messages. Even
>>>>>>>> googling error messages can't guarantee that you will get a quick
>>>>>>>> solution. Having said that, I have joined a few community forums and
>>>>>>>> posted these error messages, but never received replies.
>>>>>>>>        Back in July, I contacted a few people I know who were
>>>>>>>> successfully
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>        the popular content management system WordPress, and asked if
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>        help out. One person, whose name I won't mention, said they
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>        my web site, if I could provide $300/hr USD and that it was
>>>>>>>> estimated
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>        take four hours to set up to where I wanted it to be. Now,
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>        is also blind. What I do not understand is how someone who
>>>>>>>> may be
>>>>>>>>        knowledgeable about supplemental security income could decide
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>        such a high price to set up something simple, and that is
>>>>>>>>        semi-automated, and easy to install. I wrote a reply, and
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>        back for a month. I re-sent my reply and was told that if I
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>        continue with the route that I choose, I would have to go on
>>>>>>>> Bookshare
>>>>>>>>        or BARD to download books on Windows server hosting, and that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>        sufficient resources on the Audio Games net forum to start.
>>>>>>>>        so in September, I finally found a fellow who turned out to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> someone I
>>>>>>>>        knew by reputation, and he offered to spend his free time in
>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>        out, especially since he has had plenty of experience in
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>        virtual private servers and web hosting. If you ask him how
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>> working with me, he might tell you that I learn things pretty
>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>> once I get to actually learning the steps live on Skype or phone. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> record my sessions so I can look back and see what I did. By that
>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>> I was a little
>>>>>>>>        more knowledgeable in talking to others on this topic.
>>>>>>>> Look at post
>>>>>>>> four.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> told my new friend a little bit of what I've hoped to accomplish,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>        have done so far, and how much experience I've already had.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> 2010
>>>>>>>>        through 2013, I worked on building an HTML 4.1 and 5 project
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>        school using Notepad, and in 2013, I used CSS 3 to enhance it
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>        took a college class in web development. In mid July of 2013,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>        myself a WordPress blog up and running, which has been since
>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>> down.
>>>>>>>>        I decided to export this blog and import it into the
>>>>>>>> self-hosted
>>>>>>>>        version, and I was able to successfully link up all of my web
>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>> to a podcast generator and the WordPress system.
>>>>>>>> Right now we are sort of stuck on where to go, since I already have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>        basic HTML site with no scripts on my Ubuntu VPS, a TeamTalk
>>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>>>        running, and hopefully an IceCast or ShoutCast server for
>>>>>>>> streaming.
>>>>>>>> I heard that you can get
>>>>>>>>        an e-mail provider through Google Aps and install their mail
>>>>>>>> exchange
>>>>>>>>        and text verification records, but they are quite costly, and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>        know if you'd have to install anything on Ubuntu to make sure
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> PHP
>>>>>>>>        contact forms worked properly. By following several guides on
>>>>>>>> Linode
>>>>>>>> and Digital Ocean, I was able to install Postfix and S-Nail, but I
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> getting error messages when I am trying to send a message as a test.
>>>>>>>> I also got an account through Cloudflare, and if you were to do a
>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> dig +short or root# dig +short
>>>>>>>> you'd see instead of my actual
>>>>>>>> server's IP address. If you tried using that directly, it'd say,
>>>>>>>> Cloudflare direct IP access not allowed. This is to keep attackers
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> finding out what my server's IP address is. If they tried doing a
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> on my domain, they'd see a privacy protect dot org notice instead of
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>> Also, I really couldn't understand how C-Panel and Webmin
>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>> tools worked until my friend showed me how he used the terminal on
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> Cent OS VPS to install it. It sort of reminded me of PHP My Admin.
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> simply put :2083, :2087, or :2086 at the end of your domain.
>>>>>>>> I also installed Certbot which uses Lets Encrypt. At the moment I
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> seem to figure out how to force traffic to be automatically
>>>>>>>> redirected
>>>>>>>> to https(443) instead of http(80). But now since I'm using
>>>>>>>> Cloudflare,
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if that will be necessary.
>>>>>>>>        Once I get more advanced, and raised my income through Amazon
>>>>>>>>        Associates and stripe payments, I'd like to install a phone
>>>>>>>> box or
>>>>>>>> PBX using Asterisk as well. Note that I am running PHP 7. My friend
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I tried installing Free PBX, but it doesn't seem to like it, so we
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> to give it up temporarily, at least until they release the newer
>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>> On a more interesting topic, I don't know if any of you are into
>>>>>>>> speech
>>>>>>>> synthesis that can sing. I am very much into singing synthesis and
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> spent quite a bit of time with DECtalk and Vocaloid. I recently got
>>>>>>>> interested in learning how to use Festival and make my own speech
>>>>>>>> synthesiser. If you look at post 57 of this thread, you can see
>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>> am at right now.
>>>>>>>> So having said that, might any of you be able to help me resolve
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> mail problem with Postfix and S-Nail? I keep getting a debug error.
>>>>>>>> Also, for some annoying reason which my friend and I have not been
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to determine, I cannot install plug-ins or update WordPress
>>>>>>>> directly.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> wants to access my web server through FTP or FTPS, and I don't have
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> properly configured. I tried changing all file and folder
>>>>>>>> permissions
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> 7777 recursively, but I am still unable to update and install
>>>>>>>> plug-ins
>>>>>>>> automatically. If any of you are able to help me with that as well I
>>>>>>>> would greatly appreciate it.
>>>>>>>> Anyhow, I apologise for this lengthy e-mail, but hopefully that
>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>>        you all an idea of what I've done so far and where I'd like
>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>> next. :-)
>>>>>>>>        Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>        -Ulysses
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