living in the console.
Linux for blind general discussion
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Thu Jun 1 20:13:35 UTC 2017
In order to run linux locally this might be needful. It's one
alternative and you'd have your linux box going out to the internet with
your dos box connecting only to the linux box and the dos box would
serve as an accessible terminal. If that were done, no accessibility
software would be needed to run on the linux box since all of that would
be running on your dos box.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:07
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
>
> But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with ssh
> telnet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
>> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
>> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
>> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
>> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did
>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
>> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>>
>>> I am not.
>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>>> it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>>> think would be such an issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>>> find a later edition of DOS that gives me something needful. My
>>> present
>>> dos package for example is only a few years old comparatively speaking,
>>> has full USB
>>> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>>> for the Linux side for more than a decade now, almost 15 years or so I
>>> imagine.
>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can be found.
>>> clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>>> detail does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>>
>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>>> to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person
>>> to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>>> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is
>>> now
>>> running Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>> current.
>>> I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>>> specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means
>>> in person real skill. long distance has simply produced amusing efforts
>>> with no progress.
>>> My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
>>> showed
>>> up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>>> They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>
>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>>> keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me personally is counter
>>> productive.
>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me
>>> get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need
>>> to
>>> review.
>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
>>> need
>>> to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>>> Long answer to as short comment,
>>> Kare
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>> > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ > is one good source.
>>> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>> > > > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>> > > I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>> > > Kare
>>> > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or > > >
>>> edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>>> > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>> > > > The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>> > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general > > > >
>>> > discussion > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I
>>> > > > > just > > > got a series of numbers and a blank page.
>>> > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking
>>> > > > for business solutions?
>>> > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>>> > > > Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>> > > > Kare
>>> > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion > >
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > If you mean to browse something just type:
>>> > > > > > > edbrowse url
>>> > > > > or
>>> > > > > edbrowse file
>>> > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>> > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I >
>>> > > > > > love > > it.
>>> > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general > >
>>> discussion > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>> > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test > >
>>> something.
>>> > > > > Karen
>>> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>> discussion > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with > >
>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>> > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>> > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>> > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > Tim here
>>> > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote
>>> > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a >
>>> > > > > totally
>>> > > > > > command line linux user.
>>> > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for
>>> much > > > > > > > > of > > my
>>> > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but >
>>> > > > > some
>>> > > > > > sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>> > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example,
>>> > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it usually > >
>>> > > > > > > involves > > piping
>>> > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be > > > >
>>> > configured > > to
>>> > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of
>>> > > > > > the
>>> > > > > > box for you).
>>> > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort
>>> > > > > > > > > of > > markup.
>>> > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > >
>>> > Word/LibreOffice
>>> > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>> > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it
>>> can > > > > > > > > be > > done in
>>> > > > > > most cases.
>>> > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music collection.
>>> > > > > > > > > It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
>>> dozens > > > > > > > > of > > music
>>> > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>>> > > > > > specify just the files you want on the command line and it
>>> will > > play
>>> > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little >
>>> > > > > more
>>> > > > > > control over playback.
>>> > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player > > > > >
>>> > > > Daemon/Client > > that
>>> > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>>> > > > > > program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>>> > > > > > remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control > >
>>> playback,
>>> > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>>> > > > > > particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and
>>> have > > > > > > > > > > quick
>>> > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>> > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but >
>>> > > > > > > > also > > has a
>>> > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and
>>> have > > > > > a
>>> > > > > > pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them
>>> > > > > > > > > > > pretty
>>> > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my
>>> collection,
>>> > > > > > shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical
>>> > > > > > > > > > > player.
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in something >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > text
>>> > > > > > format?
>>> > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes.
>>> I > > personally
>>> > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so
>>> > > > > > > > > > > that's
>>> > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does > >
>>> > > > produce
>>> > > > > > some beautiful output and also has external library support
>>> for > > > > > > > > > > things
>>> > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while other people
>>> > > > > > like
>>> > > > > > some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown
>>> or > > > > > RST
>>> > > > > > or the like.
>>> > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural
>>> to > > you.
>>> > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you > >
>>> > > > convert
>>> > > > > > between a large number of input/output formats so you can
>>> write > > > > > in
>>> > > > > > Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to >
>>> > MS-Word
>>> > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal > >
>>> > > > loss. > > And
>>> > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>>> > > > > > information in the process since plain-text doesn't support >
>>> > > > > many
>>> > > > > > features as you've acknowledged)
>>> > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux
>>> has > > > > > > > > to > > offer
>>> > > > > > in the console?
>>> > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the
>>> > > > > > > > > items > > above,
>>> > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but > >
>>> > > > would > > > > > like
>>> > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next > > >
>>> > > adventure.
>>> > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>> command-line > > tools:
>>> > > > > > > > > > >
>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>> > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of various > > > > >
>>> > > > applications > > to try
>>> > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your >
>>> > > > > brain
>>> > > > > > just right. They should all be free and are likely in most > >
>>> > > > software
>>> > > > > > repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>> > > > > > try
>>> > > > > > each one out.
>>> > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
>>> decides > > > > > > > > to > > help
>>> > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>> > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient >
>>> > > > > > > > bunch, > > so
>>> > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>> > > > > > > > > -tim
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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