living in the console.
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Thu Jun 1 20:38:14 UTC 2017
That is an interesting possibility, as I am supposing you are suggesting
that simply creating a Linux box as a stand alone server to which I can
connect might be limiting or not possible.
I may or may not be confined strictly to the command line if I follow this
idea...realizing I may be incorrect.
There is no physical reason the boxes cannot be on the Internet at the
same time. My my modem supports both wireless and wired, with several
ports for that wired Ethernet connection.
Regardless I can make no experiment without both local talent and clear
and frankly outside of Linux howto files from which to learn.
Just my take of course, but I feel both should be available so you can
study outside of the environment where you are working so to speak. if
you follow a howto incorrectly in your Linux machine you may freeze or do
more damage out of which you might not detangle with ease.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> In order to run linux locally this might be needful. It's one alternative
> and you'd have your linux box going out to the internet with your dos box
> connecting only to the linux box and the dos box would serve as an accessible
> terminal. If that were done, no accessibility software would be needed to
> run on the linux box since all of that would be running on your dos box.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:07
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>> But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with
>> ssh telnet?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>> > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the
>> > console it's possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit
>> > or commo on the dos machine to connect to the other computer running
>> > linux and have all console output redirected out the linux serial port
>> > to the dos box. I did this once with only one version of linux and the
>> > information on how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto
>> > files.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> >
>> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > >
>> > > I am not.
>> > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>> > > synthesizer,
>> > > it is not like I can just buy a system.
>> > > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did
>> > > not
>> > > think would be such an issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when
>> > > I
>> > > find a later edition of DOS that gives me something needful. My
>> > > present
>> > > dos package for example is only a few years old comparatively
>> > > speaking,
>> > > has full USB
>> > > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local
>> > > talent
>> > > for the Linux side for more than a decade now, almost 15 years or
>> > > so I
>> > > imagine.
>> > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can be
>> > > found.
>> > > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but
>> > > informative
>> > > detail does not exist, let alone in person training.
>> > >
>> > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only
>> > > not
>> > > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
>> > > person
>> > > to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>> > > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which
>> > > is
>> > > now
>> > > running Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
>> > > as
>> > > current.
>> > > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to
>> > > my
>> > > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
>> > > means
>> > > in person real skill. long distance has simply produced amusing
>> > > efforts
>> > > with no progress.
>> > > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
>> > > showed
>> > > up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>> > > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>> > >
>> > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of
>> > > the
>> > > keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me personally is
>> > > counter
>> > > productive.
>> > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually,
>> > > let me
>> > > get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
>> > > need
>> > > to
>> > > review.
>> > > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
>> > > need
>> > > to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>> > > Long answer to as short comment,
>> > > Kare
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>> > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ > is one good source.
>> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>> > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
>> > > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > > > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > > > > > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>> > > > > I have no actual Linux box myself.
>> > > > > Kare
>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>> > > > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> > > > > > The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > > > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > discussion > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
>> > > > > > > paypal I just > > > got a series of numbers and a blank
>> > > > > > > page.
>> > > > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
>> > > > > > looking for business solutions?
>> > > > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>> > > > > > shellworld.
>> > > > > > Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> > > > > > Kare
>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > > > > > > > edbrowse url
>> > > > > > > or
>> > > > > > > edbrowse file
>> > > > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff.
>> > > > > > > > > I >
>> > > > > > > > love > > it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > discussion > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > > > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > something.
>> > > > > > > Karen
>> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>> > > discussion > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with > >
>> > > surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>> > > > > > > > discussion
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > Tim here
>> > > > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming
>> > > > > > > > a >
>> > > > > > > totally
>> > > > > > > > command line linux user.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for
>> > > much > > > > > > > > of > > my
>> > > > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things,
>> > > > > > > > but >
>> > > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > > sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting
>> > > > > > > > browser.
>> > > > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it usually
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > involves > > piping
>> > > > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > configured > > to
>> > > > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured
>> > > > > > > > out of the
>> > > > > > > > box for you).
>> > > > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
>> > > > > > > > > > > sort of > > markup.
>> > > > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > Word/LibreOffice
>> > > > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
>> > > > > > > > > > > it
>> > > can > > > > > > > > be > > done in
>> > > > > > > > most cases.
>> > > > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > > > > > > > > It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
>> > > dozens > > > > > > > > of > > music
>> > > > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow
>> > > > > > > > you to
>> > > > > > > > specify just the files you want on the command line and it
>> > > will > > play
>> > > > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a
>> > > > > > > > little >
>> > > > > > > more
>> > > > > > > > control over playback.
>> > > > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > Daemon/Client > > that
>> > > > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The
>> > > > > > > > mpd
>> > > > > > > > program runs in the background and the mpc program acts
>> > > > > > > > like a
>> > > > > > > > remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > playback,
>> > > > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > > > > > > particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and
>> > > have > > > > > > > > > > quick
>> > > > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
>> > > > > > > > > > > but >
>> > > > > > > > > > also > > has a
>> > > > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and
>> > > have > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
>> > > > > > > > them
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
>> > > > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my
>> > > collection,
>> > > > > > > > shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
>> > > > > > > > graphical
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > player.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > text
>> > > > > > > > format?
>> > > > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits your
>> > > > > > > > > > > tastes.
>> > > I > > personally
>> > > > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
>> > > > > > > > 90s so
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > that's
>> > > > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > produce
>> > > > > > > > some beautiful output and also has external library
>> > > > > > > > support
>> > > for > > > > > > > > > > things
>> > > > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while other
>> > > > > > > > people like
>> > > > > > > > some of the more light-weight markup languages like
>> > > > > > > > Markdown
>> > > or > > > > > RST
>> > > > > > > > or the like.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
>> > > > > > > > > > > natural
>> > > to > > you.
>> > > > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > convert
>> > > > > > > > between a large number of input/output formats so you can
>> > > write > > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>> > > > > > > > to >
>> > > > MS-Word
>> > > > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > loss. > > And
>> > > > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose
>> > > > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > > information in the process since plain-text doesn't
>> > > > > > > > support >
>> > > > > > > many
>> > > > > > > > features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
>> > > > > > > > > > > linux
>> > > has > > > > > > > > to > > offer
>> > > > > > > > in the console?
>> > > > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
>> > > > > > > > > > > the items > > above,
>> > > > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > would > > > > > like
>> > > > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > adventure.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common
>> > > command-line > > tools:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of various > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > applications > > to try
>> > > > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit
>> > > > > > > > your >
>> > > > > > > brain
>> > > > > > > > just right. They should all be free and are likely in most
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > software
>> > > > > > > > repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little
>> > > > > > > > time to try
>> > > > > > > > each one out.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
>> > > decides > > > > > > > > to > > help
>> > > > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
>> > > > > > > > > > > patient >
>> > > > > > > > > > bunch, > > so
>> > > > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > > > > > > > > -tim
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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