living in the console.

Thu Jun 1 22:31:40 UTC 2017

Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
How can i get it?

Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine running Telix, a vt100
> terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen reader.
>
> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem cable and from
> there run screen for multiple consoles.
>
> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> remote accounts etc.
>
> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>
> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls from my
> main keyboard.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
> > screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
> > possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
> > dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
> > console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
> > that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > >
> > > I am not.
> > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
> > > it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
> > > think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
> > > find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My
> > > present dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively
> > > speaking, has full USB
> > > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
> > > for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
> > > imagine.
> > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
> > > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
> > > detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
> > >
> > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
> > > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
> > > person to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> > > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is
> > > now running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
> > > as current.
> > > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
> > > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
> > > means in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing
> > > efforts with no progress.
> > > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
> > > showed up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> > > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > >
> > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
> > > keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
> > > productive.
> > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let
> > > me get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
> > > need to review.
> > > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
> > > need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> > > Long answer to as short comment,
> > > Kare
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > > > >  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > > > >  Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > > > >
> > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > >  Kare
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or
> > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
> > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
> > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
> > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
> > > > > >  Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  If you mean to browse something just type:
> > > > > > > > >  edbrowse url
> > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
> > > > > something.
> > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with
> > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a totally
> > > > > > > >  command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle
> > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but some
> > > > > > > >  sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be
> > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of the
> > > > > > > >  box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
> > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
> > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
> > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music collection.
> > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
> > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
> > > > > > > >  specify just the files you want on the command line and
> > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little more
> > > > > > > >  control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player
> > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
> > > > > > > >  program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
> > > > > > > >  remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists,
> > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> > > > > > > >  particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell
> > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
> > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have a
> > > > > > > >  pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
> > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
> > > > > > > >  shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
> > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits your
> > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
> > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does produce
> > > > > > > >  some beautiful output and also has external library
> > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while other people like
> > > > > > > >  some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or RST
> > > > > > > >  or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
> > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you convert
> > > > > > > >  between a large number of input/output formats so you can write in
> > > > > > > >  Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
> > > > > > > >  information in the process since plain-text doesn't support many
> > > > > > > >  features as you've acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
> > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
> > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI
> > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of various
> > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your brain
> > > > > > > >  just right. They should all be free and are likely in most software
> > > > > > > >  repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to try
> > > > > > > >  each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
> > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
> > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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