living in the console.

Fri Jun 2 02:18:37 UTC 2017

again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen 
reading program.
If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the 
start files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or 
installing first from floppy etc.
Depends on what you are using all the way around.
Karen

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>> year
>>
>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>
>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>
>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>> application that you throw at it.
>>
>> -tim
>>
>> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>>> How can i get it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>> reader.
>>>>
>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>
>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>
>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>
>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
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