living in the console.

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Fri Jun 2 12:49:52 UTC 2017 

Well, I'm not sure how many others are gonna come forward, so if you think I should download something else, I certainly wouldn't mind your help.
I just need to know where to get it.


Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Will leave you to others then, since freedos can be unpredictable.
> Without knowing  more about your computer I  cannot help you.
> Although I believe I came across  a  link to download jaws for dos recently.
> Kare
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > I made a free dos cd.  I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
> > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> > really wanted.  But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
> > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff?  Been years since
> > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.  More input would be
> > helpful.  thanks yall.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
> > > screen
> > > reading program.
> > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
> > > start
> > > files for your screen reader on the disk  you are  using.  Or installing
> > > first
> > > from floppy etc.
> > > Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> > > > > year
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/
> > > > >
> > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> > > > > files to write to a USB disk)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> > > > > application that you throw at it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -tim
> > > > >
> > > > > On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
> > > > > > How can i get it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Peveto
> > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > > > > > Everything happens after coffee!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
> > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
> > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
> > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
> > > > > > > remote accounts etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> > > > > > > consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
> > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
> > > > > > > from my main keyboard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
> > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
> > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
> > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output
> > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
> > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on
> > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
> > > > > > > > > the console.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not.
> > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something
> > > > > > > > > I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
> > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
> > > > > > > > > gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
> > > > > > > > > example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
> > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
> > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
> > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
> > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
> > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
> > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
> > > > > > > > > person training.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
> > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
> > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
> > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
> > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
> > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
> > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
> > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
> > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill.
> > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
> > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
> > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
> > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
> > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
> > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
> > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive.
> > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
> > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
> > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review.
> > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me
> > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
> > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment,
> > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > > > > > > > >  From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
> > > > > > > > > > > in the console.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >  I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Well it must require more because when I tried
> > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting
> > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
> > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > looking for >  business solutions?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  or
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
> > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to test
> > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle
> > > > > > > > > > > for much of my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  It depends on what you want to print, but it
> > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Getting fancier output would involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I don't know what you want to print, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  play an entire album from my music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally
> > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and
> > > > > > > > > > > it will play
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player
> > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists,
> > > > > > > > > > > control playback,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell
> > > > > > > > > > > and have > > >  quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but also has a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > > > > > them > > >  pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a
> > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  format?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  usually it's done with a markup that suits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid
> > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > >  that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library
> > > > > > > > > > > support for > > >  things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  like music markup letting you write scores) while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > > > natural to you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
> > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  One program at a time (grins). So much like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of
> > > > > > > > > > > the items above,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > > > > > > but would > > >  like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  that can point you in the direction of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > applications to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > decides to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -tim
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