living in the console.
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The links in that post didn't work for me, which is why I said you'll
need to find the executable yourself. Googling for "JAWS for Windows" I
found the Historical Access Preservation Project at
https://allinaccess.com/happ/ and they have a mirror where you can get
the JAWS for DOS executable.
On 02/06/17 08:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> The links in this post aren't any good any more. There doesn't seem to be a good download link for JFD anymore, so hopefully someone's actually got the
> file, and is willing to share. I'm just curious, did the links work for you?
>
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999, so if you can
>> find the executable somewhere then you should be good!
>> http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
>>
>> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine.
>>> I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
>>> really wanted. But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I
>>> get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years since
>>> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available. More input would be
>>> helpful. thanks yall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and
>>>> screen
>>>> reading program.
>>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the
>>>> start
>>>> files for your screen reader on the disk you are using. Or installing
>>>> first
>>>> from floppy etc.
>>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>>>> year
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness!
>>>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>>>> consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did
>>>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>>>> I did not think would be such an issue. I mean I do it
>>>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>>>> gives me something needful. My present dos package for
>>>>>>>>>> example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than a
>>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can
>>>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me
>>>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup > or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for > business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > > quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > > pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > > that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > > things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > > like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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