Spoiler : project codenamed houdini

Sat Oct 7 21:12:51 UTC 2017

Howdy Devin,

> This has always been the problem in Linux. People all seem to want different things
Hehe i do not think this is limited to Linux :). Thats a matter of our 
Humanity. All people are different, this must for sure result in 
different needs :).

>   I'd love a screen reader that incorperates auditory icons, artificial intelligence, and different speech parameter changes to denote levels of headings, links, italicized/bolded text
Do you have concrete plans here? i just see the technical side (since i 
m not blind). Problem i see with any kind neuronal networks those are 
often very expensive in performance. The more complex is task is, that 
more power is needed. Blind people are not often in that lucky position 
to buy expensive hardware. The other thing is that also any kind of 
intelligence needs input. So for sure the usage of an artificial 
intelligence does not wipe out the need of toolkit interfaces like ATK 
or MSAA. without any input data we will not get any output :).

> Orca isn't going anywhere fast
maybe you wanna dive in and help out here :). orca is not hammered in 
stone. so its easy changeable. many tools and toolkits for AI have 
python bindings ( i dont know why but those guys seems to love python hehe).

> we'll need something more powerful than Orca and LibreOffice
does this mean you want an other office suite? or different progress 
with the gotten data?

> but I lack  the knowledge, monemoney to hire anyone to do this
the knowledge was never a problem :). if you want i explain anything i 
know about those stuff to you. About money. many people (including me) 
are working without money for a big plan. if the idea is good enough for 
sure other will come along :). while developing Fenrir i got many 
contributions from guys i never talked to (lol). Also the concept of 
fenrir itself ways just an idea because i do not know it better here. if 
you have an good/ better idea that will revolutionize accessibility 
technology, let me know i m all in!

cheers chrys

> JAWS certified.

Beer and Pizza certified ;).

Am 07.10.2017 um 20:34 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> This has always been the problem in Linux. People all seem to want different things. I'd love a screen reader that incorperates auditory icons, artificial intelligence, and different speech parameter changes to denote levels of headings, links, italicized/bolded text. But, Orca isn't going anywhere fast, Emacspeak is limited to what Emacs can do, and Fenrir is just starting out. I know, I should go and develop all this, but I lack  the knowledge, and the monemoney to hire anyone to do this. If you want accessibility to be better than that of macOS, we'll need something more powerful than Orca and LibreOffice. Just saying, this will be very hard, and plenty of Blinux users may not want such a huge change all at once, as they are used to the way the accessibility tools work now.
>
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training:
> JAWS certified.
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 10:31:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: Spoiler : project codenamed houdini
>
> Howdy,
>
>> sometimes reinventing the wheel isn't making something new but a shift
>> of current paradigms,
> Hm sounds interesting. I m curious what paradigm you want to shift? what
> do you want to change? what ideas do you have here? how can i "imagine" it?
>
>> I put Colord in a tray, it could answer some apps design issues but
>> for the custom desktop I plan to build, it will be useless by default.
> Huh? i don't have it in tray (lol in fact in the new gnome there isn't a
> tray-bar anymore lol), but i use colord for years to have night-shift or
> red-shift ( reduce blue color and make stuff more "red" in the evening).
> that's good the eyes and better sleeping. But i never see any design
> issues or i didn't recognize lol (using default gnome, mixed with non
> GTK applications like steam, a lot of different games, Krita and blender
> for my 3d Printing). But maybe the result can vary on hardware, window
> manager or stuff,  i don't know what is going up under the hood there. I
> m just a user of this IMO nice peace of software :). Since gnome 3.24
> night-shift is implement by default ( i assume that they are also going
> to use colord, would sound logical to me).
>
>> For Sonar/Vinux, I was behind the scene for a while, I jumped in when
>> they a merge or a collaboration between the two was put public but I
>> leave it be, I can't give out straight my ideas and they don't catch
>> that I may have ideas to fix all this mess once and for all, just
>> found how I could achieve my path so I may try soon.(either live-build
>> or refracta)
> I wonder if the ideas are not "just" a new set of packages that could be
> (pre)installed with another spin of those distros? maintaining an own
> distribution costs a lot of time. In the end its your idea i don't want
> to change your opinion or don't want to say that the idea is a bad one.
> I just see that there is a loss of potential if 3 or 4 guys are doing
> the same but for some political or paradigm reasons not with each other
> but alone. its like making three pizzas with different topping. start
> making pastry three times from scratch instead of making a big clump and
> everyone can just place its own topping.
>
>> Your ideas are noted, I may have a trick in my sleeve to implement one
>> later quite easily.
> Cool :).
>
> cheers chrys
>
> Am 07.10.2017 um 04:42 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
>> Well,
>>
>> sometimes reinventing the wheel isn't making something new but a shift
>> of current paradigms, like how we still use vhs player/tape deck
>> buttons as icons in operating systems.
>>
>> For Sonar/Vinux, I was behind the scene for a while, I jumped in when
>> they a merge or a collaboration between the two was put public but I
>> leave it be, I can't give out straight my ideas and they don't catch
>> that I may have ideas to fix all this mess once and for all, just
>> found how I could achieve my path so I may try soon.(either live-build
>> or refracta)
>>
>> I put Colord in a tray, it could answer some apps design issues but
>> for the custom desktop I plan to build, it will be useless by default.
>>
>> Your ideas are noted, I may have a trick in my sleeve to implement one
>> later quite easily.
>>
>> 2017-10-06 5:11 UTC−04:00, Linux for blind general discussion
>> <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
>>> Howdy Mike,
>>>
>>>> I'm conceiving a Linux distribution with accessibility
>>> Awsome :) idea! But I wonder if it is not more efficient to join the
>>> vinux or sonar team and increase their manpower and implement missing
>>> features insteed of reainvent the wheel over and over?
>>> Sonar (it seems the offical site is down currently):
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sonargnulinux/
>>> vinux:
>>> http://vinuxproject.org/
>>>
>>>> designing a colorblind/impaired accessible
>>>> interface with nice aesthetics
>>> does this mean that you want to create your own Destkop environment?
>>> About colorblind, maybe you are interested in colord. its an color
>>> management serverice using ICC profiles. maybe its useful to make
>>> red/green or grayscale ICC profiles using your desktop (and would have
>>> the nice side effect thats also useable on other desktops as well).
>>> Just an idea.
>>> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/
>>>
>>>> I’d like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
>>>> are welcome, but I won’t promise I’ll implement them. :)
>>> Maybe an stand alone Magnification tool would be awsome :). I also
>>> remember that there was also a need to have a tool for "hands free"
>>> desktop control for people with motoric problems using at-spi, eye
>>> tracking and voice control (in fact there is nothing useful
>>> currently). I wanted to start working on last one but could not find
>>> the time currently, but its still on my Todo list (like too many other
>>> things lol).
>>>
>>> cheers chrys
>>>
>>> Zitat von Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hello everybody out there using Linux –
>>>>
>>>> I'm conceiving a Linux distribution with accessibility and some
>>>> assistive technology, designing a colorblind/impaired accessible
>>>> interface with nice aesthetics, I did a few tests and it ended just as
>>>> expected, this alone may bring Linux to beat Mac os X on accessibility
>>>> side,
>>>>
>>>> It will be on top of Debian with apt-pinning for development purposes,
>>>> the 3 branches and the packages locking feature, will be used to allow
>>>> developpers to easily replicate bugs to fix them, allowing a
>>>> pseudo-versionning system at the same time, used the setup a while,
>>>> overall it was a breeze.
>>>>
>>>> My next aim would be to trim the system, hoping to be able to use a
>>>> window manager or a light desktop manager with accessibility tools,
>>>> accessibility reports of desktop environments, window managers and
>>>> softwares would be useful.
>>>>
>>>> At this point, I could slowly make a working setup, the issue is to
>>>> create the iso with a decent installer, name/logo/design is thinked
>>>> yet, so I mostly lack a coder and a graphist, otherwise it goes way
>>>> above what I expected for now.
>>>>
>>>> I also have a load of ideas I could implement later but understand
>>>> that the Debian focus don't mean it will be locked to it.
>>>>
>>>> I’d like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
>>>> are welcome, but I won’t promise I’ll implement them. :)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> Note : Didn't knew the rules for linking the project or contact
>>>> informations so I didn't put anything to identify it and myself for
>>>> now ...
>>>>
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