slint release install findings

Wed Jan 3 22:46:58 UTC 2018

Hello,

Well, I checked and didn't find any package update since RC3 that could
explain a change in behavior.

However, something (maybe unrelated, I don't know) puzzles me: although
I have rebuilt espeak against portaudio instead of pulseaudio just
before RC3, pulseaudio is still started just after espeakup starts.

Looking at /var/log/syslog, this seems to occur just after the soft
synthesizer linked to the speakup kernel driver is started (However the
kernel has not changed since RC3, so this was probably the case already
in RC3).

It's late now in Paris, I will continue to investigate tomorrow.

Greetings,

Didier

PS Speech still works in the installer, that contains portaudio but
not pulseaudio. I will check if there is a way to configure the
soft synthesizer to not spawn pulseaudio even if available. 

Le 03/01/2018 à 21:05, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> Jude DaShiell here again, if memory serves this didn't happen in rc3 it was a while ago I used that so I probably ought to check that to be sure.
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:49:08
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: slint release install findings
>>
>> Hello Jude,
>>
>> Did this issue occur since RC3 or since the final release?
>>
>> I ask because I see this in the ChangeLog, cf. http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/ChangeLog.txt
>> cut here
>> Monday 27 November 2017
>> Note: this batch of updates is the last applied in slint64-14.2.1RC3. espeak-1.48.04-x86_64-4slint.txz: Rebuilt.
>>  Use portaudio as backend to allow using orca in parallel without
>>  having to start pulseaudio system wide.
>> portaudio-v19-x86_64-2slint: Re-added and rebuilt.
>>  Dependency of espeak.
>> cut here
>>
>> other than that the espeak version didn't change.
>>
>> If that was also the case in RC3, I could rebuild an espeak
>> package with pulseaudio as backend that you could test.
>>
>> I would also be curious to know if this issue occurs for
>> other users.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Didier
>>
>> Le 03/01/2018 ? 17:56, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
>>> This is Jude here.? I haven't tried most yet and will do that next. This problem happens with or without usb speakers attached, so the usb speakers are not at fault here.? Had speakup for console got a version change that hadn't happened in the release candidates?? If that did happen, a possible regression in speakup could be the culprit.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 04:23:10
>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
>>>> Subject: Re: slint release install findings
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Could you please indicate your first name when posting? I am not
>>>> comfortable speaking to anonymous and this list don't preserve senders'
>>>> address.
>>>>
>>>> You can increase swap, but I doubt that changes something as the system
>>>> should need less RAM in console mode that in graphical mode, at least if
>>>> you? use startx to start mate.
>>>>
>>>> I will try to investigate on the sound issue, however I don't have USB
>>>> speakers to try.
>>>>
>>>> Does the same issue occur if you use another page like most instead of
>>>> less?
>>>>
>>>> About the installation logs, they go in /dev/tty4, that you can hear
>>>> during installation typing Alt+F4
>>>>
>>>> However, this is not very useful as you can't scroll.
>>>>
>>>> This is set in /etc/syslog.conf in the installer, so could be changed
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> When the system is running the logs go partly in /var/log/syslog, partly
>>>> in /var/log/messages, both are text files readable by root.
>>>>
>>>> You can also type as root dmesg|less or dmesg|most to check the messages
>>>> from starting the system.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reports so far.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Didier
>>>>
>>>> Le 03/01/2018 ? 08:09, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
>>>>> I just had an idea and it will take another slint install to test it. Could swap partition size be under-stated for screen readers?? I have a root partition of 1996GB and a linux-swap partition of 4GB and available memory on the machine ram is 1GB.? I'll try taking the swap partition size up and see if this problem goes away.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 02:03:31
>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: slint release install findings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I ran the slint release earlier it was on only one set of speakers.
>>>>>> Adding the usb speaker set to the system had no effect on speech output quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 01:34:10
>>>>>>> ?From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> ?To: blinux-list at redhat.com
>>>>>>> ?Subject: slint release install findings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?speech in console mode with mate as default graphical user interface
>>>>>>> ?dstarts sounding choked shortly after login.? Speech in graphical mode
>>>>>>> ?once startx gets run has no such problems.? To reproduce just run less on
>>>>>>> ?a document that's a few screens long and listen to the speech.? flushing
>>>>>>> ?speakup has very temporary improvement of speech before speech goes back
>>>>>>> ?to sounding choked.
>>>>>>> ?One thing that may be useful for slint in future is to have ability to
>>>>>>> ?preserve installation logs which also detect hard? I have two sets of
>>>>>>> ?speakers on this computer and will try disconnecting usb speakers and see
>>>>>>> ?if that helps speakup work better.
>>>>>>>
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