web hosting ideas?

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Sat Jul 7 21:59:45 UTC 2018

Well I am at least thankful it is not just me.
I hate to be an innocent about this, but do you mind providing direct 
links to your suggestions?
Again, I do not have a Linux box at all. Instead I will be using ssh into 
their shell  for things, have them host our domain e-mail, and I trust 
finally get our site there too.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> You can't. So don't.
> I've worked with over a dozen different former Dreamhost customers and all
> of them left because as the began to progressively grow what they were
> doing to the point where they actually use their services, they found that
> Dreamhost was more of a nightmare. DNS, web hosting, email, server
> provision, security ...they do it all wrong.
> I've been in this business, to one degree or another, for over 30 years and not
> yet met anyone really doing anything substantial on Dreamhost who has not
> experienced those same pains. All but a couple have left and have been much
> happier and more productive as a result.
> --
> Karl Wilbur
> 513-322-2481
> karl at karlwilbur.net
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 17:05 Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> glad your experiences have been fine, so I will share my own.
>> regarding e-mail.
>> Since I have been a member dreamhost has moved our mail from server to
>> server   five times now.  still I get, several times a day if using my
>> office  mail,
>> that  the mail server is frozen for 15 or 30 or 60 seconds or more  while
>> I wait.
>> Dreamhost has stated  in writing to me more than once that while they
>> provide programs on their shell accounts, they do not support them, or
>> update security keys for browsers either most of the time.
>> I have spent the betterpart of the last 72 hours in communication with
>> dreamhost  support about the key issue.
>> I ssh telnet from my desktop into dreamhost,  a point it took 4 tries to
>> even get them to understand.  Friday June 29, the security team changed
>> what keys they will allow, without sharing that change with  technical
>> support.   You are not permitted to speak directly with anyone, so I lost
>> a
>> day or two with someone at dreamhost asking the wrong questions.
>> They have decided my technology is old, and I must upgrade, they are
>> unwilling to even review a suggestion by someone  who also uses the ssh
>> package I use involving openssh that allows a broader range of keys.
>> The error is a dh key exchange failure security did not say use a
>> different port then 22, they just blocked anything they do not understand.
>> I am supposed to work with this how exactly?
>> Karen
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Karen wrote with some complaints about dreamhost, and
>>> looking for an alternative.
>>> Karen, sorry to hear you're having difficulties with your
>>> hosting. Of course, spotty service is a good reason to
>>> leave, however, if problems can be solved...
>>> Regarding mail service, I received a notice from dreamhost
>>> that they are changing over parts of their mail system, and
>>> there will be some occasional outages during the summer
>>> months as they migrate users over (details below).
>>> Regarding ssh access, I've noticed that the ssh keys on
>>> shared hosts occasionally change, triggering a security
>>> warning next time you use ssh. When that happens you may
>>> have to delete the old key to accept the new one. (And btw
>>> you should verify the fingerprint of the new key.)
>>> Regarding support, I found that dreamhost has decent
>>> references in their wiki, and have always gotten timely
>>> responses to my occasional technical questions.
>>> Quote from dreamhost:
>>>  During migration, you may see duplicated messages or delayed messages in
>>>  your inbox. Some emails that arrive mid-migration *may temporarily*
>> appear
>>>  to go missing as the new servers' DNS records propagate. Don't panic if
>>>  this happens - they will return!
>>>  To minimize these side-effects, please avoid moving or deleting
>> messages,
>>>  or creating/deleting users during the migration period.
>>> FWIW, dreamhost also posts the status of their systems at
>>> https://www.dreamhoststatus.com/
>>> with greetings,
>>> -joel
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I realize many of you do your own servers and the like, so I am going
>> to ask
>>>> this question with great care.  My needs are rather specific, and even
>> if
>>>> they seem old fashioned, they are rooted in  part in how my specific
>>>> disability experiences manifest just now.
>>>> I work with a nonprofit organization with several program areas in more
>> than
>>>> one country.
>>>> presently our  web needs are housed with dreamhost.
>>>> www.dreamhost.com
>>>> Their hosting accounts include a fairly solid shell structure, in
>> Ubuntu,
>>>> including programs like alpine.  I use ssh  telnet to reach these
>> services
>>>> and must have comparative access where ever i go.
>>>> Dreamhost made security changes about a week ago which now block my ssh
>>>> access.  while I may discover a work around, their mail server behavior
>> has
>>>> been loopy for a while so...a blessing lies in all this mayhem.
>>>> I am going to contact one shell service of which I am already aware,
>>>> preferring not to bring all of my Internet life here to shellworld.
>>>> So, yes there is a question laughs.
>>>> Can you suggest a comparative hosting service that
>>>> a, provides a functional shell as apart of their account.
>>>> b allows for more than one domain to be hosted with them, including sftp
>>>> access and a great deal of account space.
>>>> c. has good customer service
>>>> and
>>>> d, is reasonably priced?
>>>> dreamhost donates hosting accounts to 501c3 organizations, so it has
>> been a
>>>> free ride.
>>>> I do not expect that to continue, but I do  hope to find  something
>>>> reasonable.
>>>> Thanks for your ideas if any.
>>>> Oh, I have no interest whatsoever in hosting my needs on my own.  I lack
>>>> both the resources and talent for such a venture here in Toronto.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Karen
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