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[Linux for blind general discussion]

I predict Dominos will have its clock thoroughly cleaned.  Precedent
even in the Supreme Court isn't on their side.
Congress made it clear what accessibility requirements are in the
accessibility process and that happened in 2010.  There's about 16
technical requirements and a Preamble to Section 508 and this was
something D.O.D. got measured against in 2012 when Obama required a
D.O.D.-wide accessibility report.  End result of that was the United
States Navy was Accessibility Leader and the United States Navy was
still left with serious problems and all other components had much work
to do.  I know about that having worked for the Navy during that time.

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:53:37
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: amazon?
>
> Amazon is definitely aware of Linux. They have apps running on Android and
> even platforms that use Android as their OS. They support Linux in AWS
> including their own flavor of Linux. I'm sure their are some staff at Amazon
> who don't know about Linux, but that doesn't mean the company is unaware of or
> doesn't care about Linux.
>
>
> BTW, there is still a legal question as to whether a web site which offers
> products or services to the public needs to be accessible. The ADA doesn't
> have companion guidelines on what it means for a site to be accessible and
> Domino's is going to court to claim that the ADA doesn't require them to make
> their site or apps accessible. I think the ADA does apply to public web sites,
> and I think Domino's will lose, but that doesn't mean it isn't still an open
> legal question.
>
>
>
> On 8/24/19 2:11 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > 1. My comment regarding Linux is based on direct communications with Amazon
> > staff,? who have confessed not to have heard of it,and? who have no direct
> > contact with their so called accessibility team when problems arise.
> > 2. them properly compiled? elinks and links function with java script.
> > 3.? Access is tied to interaction which is why even later editions of lynx
> > can manage some scripting, submit buttons for example.
> >
> > 4. since adaptive technology is often a substitution for the persons eyes,
> > hands, brain, and the like, what gives you the right to state that
> > technology choices are not tied to physical mandates?? How does your stance
> > differ from those who claim that access need not exist at all,? or that all
> > those sharing? a label are the same?
> > 5. the names of access or other individuals at amazon confirming your
> > assumption here?? the legal stance is that if a site serves the public, an
> > individual can expect equal public access...which is why? alternative
> > doors??? are to exist? in the first place.
> > How do you know what low graphics can or cannot do if you do not follow
> > their development?? This is about keyboard response which exists in
> > graphical? browsers like elinks and links.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> I don't believe for a minute that the accessibility staff at Amazon has
> >> either forgotten or stopped caring about Linux accessibility. Realistically
> >> though, it is possible that they have stopped worrying about the very small
> >> number of people who still use text-based browsers and expect them to work
> >> for shopping, banking and other modern internet tasks. The thing is Linux
> >> accessibility in 2019 != lynx/links/elinks accessibility. In fact, this
> >> hasn't been the case since about 2008 or so
> >> .
> >> Unfortunately, text-based browsers have not kept up with the rest of the
> >> internet, and can't be expected to work well for most websites without a
> >> major overhaul, especially since they don't even support the latest HTML5
> >> standards, nor do they support accessibility standards that have been in
> >> place for years. Even w3m doesn't fully support the w3c's own standards.
> >>
> >> Yes, I can see why some people may want these light-weight and fast
> >> browsers to work with Amazon, and yes, they should be made aware of the
> >> problems that people are having. But to say that Amazon doesn't care about
> >> Linux accessibility because their site doesn't work with a text-based
> >> browser is at best a gross exageration, and is at worst a grave disservice
> >> to those of us who use Linux and a screen reader at the same time.
> >> Imetumwa kutoka miti
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