amazon?

Sun Aug 25 21:15:50 UTC 2019

I assume this is directed at me, so I'm curious what misinformation I'm 
putting out? I included one link of many on the topic of the ADA and web 
accessibility guidelines. If I'm wrong, I would like to be enlightened 
since this issue is so important to me.

I was trying to correct some misleading information that I was replying 
to where the person was clearly talking about the Rehabilitation Act and 
not the ADA.

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On 8/25/19 8:19 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Put out whatever misinformation you like, but it doesn't and won't
> change anyone's past experiences nor the reasons or causes for them.
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 23:26:12
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: amazon?
>>
>> Congress has not attached web accessibility guidelines to the ADA, guidelines
>> were not established under President Obama and President Trump's
>> administration is officially not pursuing any such guidelines.
>> https://www.boia.org/blog/is-website-accessibility-required-under-the-ada
>>
>>
>> Amazon is not covered under Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, as the
>> Department of the Navy is.
>>
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the ADA extends to web sites, and I think Domino's
>> will lose, but the legal question has yet to be settled. This would all be
>> moot if the DoJ under Obama or Trump had adopted the WCAD 2.0 standards as the
>> standards applying to web accessibility under the ADA.
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/19 3:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I predict Dominos will have its clock thoroughly cleaned.  Precedent
>>> even in the Supreme Court isn't on their side.
>>> Congress made it clear what accessibility requirements are in the
>>> accessibility process and that happened in 2010.  There's about 16
>>> technical requirements and a Preamble to Section 508 and this was
>>> something D.O.D. got measured against in 2012 when Obama required a
>>> D.O.D.-wide accessibility report.  End result of that was the United
>>> States Navy was Accessibility Leader and the United States Navy was
>>> still left with serious problems and all other components had much work
>>> to do.  I know about that having worked for the Navy during that time.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:53:37
>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
>>>> Subject: Re: amazon?
>>>>
>>>> Amazon is definitely aware of Linux. They have apps running on Android and
>>>> even platforms that use Android as their OS. They support Linux in AWS
>>>> including their own flavor of Linux. I'm sure their are some staff at
>>>> Amazon
>>>> who don't know about Linux, but that doesn't mean the company is unaware of
>>>> or
>>>> doesn't care about Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, there is still a legal question as to whether a web site which offers
>>>> products or services to the public needs to be accessible. The ADA doesn't
>>>> have companion guidelines on what it means for a site to be accessible and
>>>> Domino's is going to court to claim that the ADA doesn't require them to
>>>> make
>>>> their site or apps accessible. I think the ADA does apply to public web
>>>> sites,
>>>> and I think Domino's will lose, but that doesn't mean it isn't still an
>>>> open
>>>> legal question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/24/19 2:11 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> 1. My comment regarding Linux is based on direct communications with
>>>>> Amazon
>>>>> staff,? who have confessed not to have heard of it,and? who have no direct
>>>>> contact with their so called accessibility team when problems arise.
>>>>> 2. them properly compiled? elinks and links function with java script.
>>>>> 3.? Access is tied to interaction which is why even later editions of lynx
>>>>> can manage some scripting, submit buttons for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. since adaptive technology is often a substitution for the persons eyes,
>>>>> hands, brain, and the like, what gives you the right to state that
>>>>> technology choices are not tied to physical mandates?? How does your
>>>>> stance
>>>>> differ from those who claim that access need not exist at all,? or that
>>>>> all
>>>>> those sharing? a label are the same?
>>>>> 5. the names of access or other individuals at amazon confirming your
>>>>> assumption here?? the legal stance is that if a site serves the public, an
>>>>> individual can expect equal public access...which is why? alternative
>>>>> doors??? are to exist? in the first place.
>>>>> How do you know what low graphics can or cannot do if you do not follow
>>>>> their development?? This is about keyboard response which exists in
>>>>> graphical? browsers like elinks and links.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe for a minute that the accessibility staff at Amazon has
>>>>>> either forgotten or stopped caring about Linux accessibility.
>>>>>> Realistically
>>>>>> though, it is possible that they have stopped worrying about the very
>>>>>> small
>>>>>> number of people who still use text-based browsers and expect them to
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> for shopping, banking and other modern internet tasks. The thing is Linux
>>>>>> accessibility in 2019 != lynx/links/elinks accessibility. In fact, this
>>>>>> hasn't been the case since about 2008 or so
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> Unfortunately, text-based browsers have not kept up with the rest of the
>>>>>> internet, and can't be expected to work well for most websites without a
>>>>>> major overhaul, especially since they don't even support the latest HTML5
>>>>>> standards, nor do they support accessibility standards that have been in
>>>>>> place for years. Even w3m doesn't fully support the w3c's own standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I can see why some people may want these light-weight and fast
>>>>>> browsers to work with Amazon, and yes, they should be made aware of the
>>>>>> problems that people are having. But to say that Amazon doesn't care
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> Linux accessibility because their site doesn't work with a text-based
>>>>>> browser is at best a gross exageration, and is at worst a grave
>>>>>> disservice
>>>>>> to those of us who use Linux and a screen reader at the same time.
>>>>>> Imetumwa kutoka miti
>>>>>>
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