amazon?

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I am not talking about searching, I am talking about signing in, not that 
I can  either physically use or duplicate your setup.
the amazon.com/access page  existing was never the question.  Instead the 
question is why the sign in page there is actually 15 pages long, with no 
alt tag designating the locations for email and password.
Indeed  the amount of clutter is atrocious and since the access is to be 
less cluttered,  one has to wonder as to their definition of simple.
  Further  how does their captcha better protect my account if it is not 
inclusive?



On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Okay, from my Firefox+Orca perspective, the site that results from the
> "click here for a simplified shopping experience" is still there, and
> the simplified site is what I get when I load Amazon from my
> bookmarks.
>
> The simplified homepage is filled with various advertising and
> recommendation clusters, each headed by a level 2 html heading.
> Admittedly, the one's that are filled with category links instead of
> individual product links tend to go to pages with an atrocious
> shortage of html headings, and the body of the simplified homepage is
> empty if JavaScript isn't enabled. However, even without JavaScript,
> the search box and cart links are easy enough to find(the go button on
> the search box is the second button from the top of the page and often
> the last button on the page, and shifting tabbing from this is the
> link to clear the search box, the search box itself, and the cart
> link.
>
> In this view the shopping cart and individual product pages seem to
> match the mobile view I remember using on an android phone prior to
> blindness, with all of the most important stuff either a button or a
> few tabs/shift tabs from a button. My only real complaint about this
> view of the cart is the lack of a subtotal for saved items, and my
> only real complaint about this view of product pages is that some
> times the product description is truncated compared to the full site
> and the inability to acess customer Q&A.
>
> Admittedly, checking out from this view of the cart makes it difficult
> to utilize points from my Amazon Prime card and for some reason, the
> block that's supposed to display subtotal, shipping, tax, and total is
> empty.
>
> Now, from the simplified homepage, I have to disable css to make the
> link to the desktop/full site visible to ctrl+F which I need if I want
> to access customer Q&A or place an order using my reward points. The
> desktop home page is a mess and often slows my browser to a crawl, but
> fortunately, if I pull up the mobile view of my cart in one tab before
> switching to the desktop home page in a different tab, I can keep my
> cart in mobile view even across page changes while loading product
> pages in desktop view in new tabs from the cart. The desktop product
> pages are kind of cluttered and make picking options for products with
> options harder, but add plenty of html headings to help skip over the
> clutter to reach product descriptions(again, often more detailed than
> on the mobile view) and customer Q&A(inaccessible from mobile view).
>
> Admittedly, once done with things I need the desktop/full version of
> the site for, I often need ctrl+F to find the link back to the
> simplified homepage, and for some reason, I have to restart firefox to
> get product pages and my cart to load in mobile view after switching
> back to thesimplified homepage(if I don't restart Firefox, I get stuck
> with somekind of intermediate view, and while the switch to desktop
> view doesn't force an existing shopping cart tab to switch, the switch
> back to simplified does).
>
> Not entirely sure what cause Amazon to toss me captcha BS every now
> and then, but it's rare enough that I tend to count it as a site error
> rather than deliberately bad design.
>
> I also have a problem with Amazon trying to push mp3 downloads of
> Music and Audible versions of audiobooks when I'm looking for Audio CD
> editions, but I suspect I'd have that problem even if I was still
> among the sighted.
>
> Best I can tell, there isn't much, if any difference between the
> desktop and mobile views of search results, but as every product link
> is an HTML heading and the link to open filter options is right after
> the go button on the search box, any clutter doesn't really bother me.
>
> Admittedly, my experience using Amazon is limited to Firefox and it
> might be an inaccessible mess in Chromium, Safari, and whatever the
> default Windows web browser is these days, but I'd personally give
> Amazon at least a B+ for accessibility, and while I might just be used
> to Amazon's idiosyncrasies, I'd declare it more accessible than the
> vast majority of web stores. That said, I'm pretty sure this thread
> was started because Amazon doesn't play well with links, elinks, lynx,
> etc. or perhaps, that these browsers don't play well with Amazon.
>
> If a website was giving me, Firefox, and Orca as much trouble as the
> OP implies Amazon is giving them, the text browsers, and whatever
> console screen reader they're using, I'd probably just call the web
> designers idiots and not use the site(admittedly, not using Amazon is
> a much bigger sacrifice than for most other websites), but given how
> well Amazon works for me and how the main reason I use Firefox is that
> none of the text-mode browsers I've tried seem half as usable(though,
> in all fairness, even Firefox would be a pain in the anatomy to use if
> Orca didn't provide all those handy navigational hotkeys), I can't
> help wondering if the problem isn't as much due to the limitations of
> the major text-mode browsers as it is due to the flaws in Amazon's web
> design.
>
> I mean, it would be great if Amazon and every other major website
> worked well with elinks et al., but unless I'm majorly misinformed,
> many of these browsers lack functionality all the major graphical
> browsers have had for years, and while some of that functionality
> probably needs to die in a fire, upgrading text browsers to better
> work with modern web sites is probably much easier than convincing web
> masters to cater too what's probably a very small minority of users.
>
> But hey, if there's a text-mode web browser out there that's equipped
> with all the functional aspects of the modern web and provides a
> decent replacement for the navigational hotkeys graphical screen
> readers provide when surfing the web, I'd love to hear about it.
>
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