Attempting a Jenux install, again.

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Wed Dec 15 21:07:21 UTC 2021 

Ahh good to know desktops work fine. For me I didn't get speech after 
install when selecting Mate but that may be a VM thing.

But if it works fine then that's great. If we can jus throw in the stick 
and get Mate or Gnome working, all the better.

On a related note...did Arch updates creep my memory use up? I'm up to 
230-24mb from 200-210 in Ratpoison, and about 600-700 on a fresh Mate 
session. Firefox shoots that up to 1.5-1.6G for me and with the 3.8G my 
VM has I'm trying to save as much RAM as I can though

On 12/15/21 20:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Worked like a champ.  The on,ly thing I was confused about was the 
> disk selection.  After selecting the fdisk you are still at disk 
> selection step which you can just press enter to continue as the disk 
> you chose at the first promped it is alreafdy selected, but this is 
> not spoken by orca however just keep this in mind. Also, the desktop 
> selection went fine.  I selected alsa-utils, espeakup, firefox and 
> thunderbird and everything else went fine at least in my vm which is 
> using UEFI.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> On 12/14/2021 7:06 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Once you boot the ISO with speech (which is down once on the boot 
>> menu, so just down and enter then wait), and it logs you in and you 
>> get the root at archiso prompt just type archinstall and it'll do a 
>> connection test then come up with the guided installer.
>>
>> 99% of it is intuitive. I've not got around to testing the install 
>> option for desktops. I personally go with a base instal and customize 
>> my system as needed, but YMMV on that one. The only bit that tripped 
>> me up was the region selection (second step) and the disk selection 
>> since that changed to where you select your disk, then don't select 
>> anything to continue. It walks you through the steps one at a time, 
>> and if you know how to install Arch accessibly, the extra packages 
>> step is the same as pacstrap.
>>
>> Few things to note:
>>
>> 1. It auto enables espeakup if it's installed (I usually install it 
>> out of habit)
>>
>> 2. I'm not sure of the keys to shut espeakup off however...
>>
>> And the big, big one. The last I checked, November. It only workd on 
>> UEFI machines /but/ that might have been changed. I honestly don't 
>> know if it's working on legacy BIOS machines
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this guided installer part of the arch iso?  If so, how do you 
>>> get it going??  I would like to give this a test and see how this 
>>> works.
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/14/2021 7:59 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> ell there's a history of posts as far as Jenux breaking with people 
>>>> way more qualified than me digging through the code and having 
>>>> things break on their installs. I've personally had Jenux corrupt a 
>>>> flash drive to the point it's a glorified paprweight due to 
>>>> shenanigans with writing to it.
>>>>
>>>> That being said. Now Arch itself has the guided mode installer, 
>>>> which is perfectly useable with espeakup and that once installed, 
>>>> as of this month auto enables speech/braille at the end of the 
>>>> install, I'd argue Arch are doing a better job at making their 
>>>> systems accessible* than people assume though. I;d also say okay, 
>>>> Arch has a guided installer that works** and if booted with 
>>>> accessibility on, keeps those settings and gives you a working 
>>>> (base, mind) system out of the box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Provided you install alsa-utils/espeakup as per a normal 
>>>> accessibility Arch install. There's a step in the guided installer 
>>>> where it asks for extra packages, that's where you plug 
>>>> alsa-utils/espeakup in. espeakup.service gets auto enabled at the 
>>>> end of the install as part of the installer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** Works, as long as you're okay with a base install but getting a 
>>>> DE up and running isn't that bad really once you did the install. 
>>>> I've not got the desktop ones to work currently but still poking at 
>>>> it. I'm tempted to add in orca-speech-dispatcher and so forth into 
>>>> the extra packages step.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> at that however.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/21 12:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did use the latest as of about 15 hours ago. I did also verify 
>>>>> the iso.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue this time is that after running the installer and 
>>>>> rebooting, nothing spoke. the seeingAI on the iphone could read 
>>>>> the screen just fine, but I couldn't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Last time it was orca in Mate that didn't want to come on, no 
>>>>> matter what I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I found that with Jenux, never expect the same thing to go wrong 
>>>>> twice, however something will break.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2021/12/14 14:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>> Jenux gets regular updates latest is 2021.11.17 unless that 
>>>>>> changed today.
>>>>>> Did you verify your iso download?  If I find an .sha512 file file 
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> iso, I won't install the iso without first verifying it with the 
>>>>>> .sha512
>>>>>> file.  So two potential problems not using current Jenux install 
>>>>>> iso or
>>>>>> failed to verify iso.  If you don't have those two problems, 
>>>>>> please write
>>>>>> dnl.nash at gmail.com and let him know the problem you encountered 
>>>>>> on your
>>>>>> install fail.  That one is the developer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenux failed on me, again. I think I'll give it a skip for now, 
>>>>>>> that is unless
>>>>>>> the dev actually fixes the thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am on Fedora, for now, because it was the nearest Usb stick I 
>>>>>>> could grab
>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I might just give the vanilla Arch ISO another go. Why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021/12/14 13:05, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>   or Manjaro Architect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally. I've had success with the vanilla Arch ISO and the 
>>>>>>>> guided
>>>>>>>> installer (the archinstall one), I just set it to boot up 
>>>>>>>> talking, went
>>>>>>>> through it and added in alsa-utils/espeakup and then put
>>>>>>>> speech-dispatcher/Orca/voices and a window manager on once the 
>>>>>>>> system was
>>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenux has never really worked for me on a VM or bare metal at 
>>>>>>>> all, whereas
>>>>>>>> the official arch ISO is working rather well, and I dunno if 
>>>>>>>> the Architect
>>>>>>>> edition is 36/64 bit or 32bit only or 64bit only. Admittedly, 
>>>>>>>> I've got a
>>>>>>>> 64bit UEFI system so the official ISo works flawlessly on it 
>>>>>>>> however, but
>>>>>>>> YMMV on that oneYes, but you probably don't want to hear it if 
>>>>>>>> you are set
>>>>>>>> on using Jenux however.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 09:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I decided to give Jenux another go, last time, no matter what 
>>>>>>>>> I tried, I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't get orca to come on after logging in to the system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any advice?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, if this doesn't work out, is there a guide for doing a 
>>>>>>>>> Manjaro
>>>>>>>>> architect install? "Manjaro Talking" got updated a little 
>>>>>>>>> while ago, and
>>>>>>>>> if, as I said, Jenux doesn't work out, I'd like to give that 
>>>>>>>>> one a go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks so long.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my MacBook Air
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Contact:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phone: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email: brandt.steenkamp at gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:brandt.steenkamp at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp 
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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