Attempting a Jenux install, again.

Thu Dec 16 13:16:17 UTC 2021

On the numpad, insert-enter toggles espeak off and on.

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Just as a follow up, I've gone back through the guided installer and it works
> flawlessly. However, I'm not finding the documentation to toggle espeaku's
> speech output. It's not an issue when the system's installed, but it is very,
> very chatty when installing so I was hoping to be able to turn the speech off
> for a few moments. Other than that, the installer's getting tweaks and
> updates, November's didn't give you the choice between Pipewire/Pulseaudio (or
> null if you are doing a base install) or the swap option. I'm keen to see
> where the guided installer goes, it makes getting an Arch system up and going
> easier now
>
> On 12/15/21 20:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Worked like a champ.  The on,ly thing I was confused about was the disk
> > selection.  After selecting the fdisk you are still at disk selection step
> > which you can just press enter to continue as the disk you chose at the
> > first promped it is alreafdy selected, but this is not spoken by orca
> > however just keep this in mind. Also, the desktop selection went fine.  I
> > selected alsa-utils, espeakup, firefox and thunderbird and everything else
> > went fine at least in my vm which is using UEFI.
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/14/2021 7:06 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> Once you boot the ISO with speech (which is down once on the boot menu, so
> >> just down and enter then wait), and it logs you in and you get the
> >> root at archiso prompt just type archinstall and it'll do a connection test
> >> then come up with the guided installer.
> >>
> >> 99% of it is intuitive. I've not got around to testing the install option
> >> for desktops. I personally go with a base instal and customize my system as
> >> needed, but YMMV on that one. The only bit that tripped me up was the
> >> region selection (second step) and the disk selection since that changed to
> >> where you select your disk, then don't select anything to continue. It
> >> walks you through the steps one at a time, and if you know how to install
> >> Arch accessibly, the extra packages step is the same as pacstrap.
> >>
> >> Few things to note:
> >>
> >> 1. It auto enables espeakup if it's installed (I usually install it out of
> >> habit)
> >>
> >> 2. I'm not sure of the keys to shut espeakup off however...
> >>
> >> And the big, big one. The last I checked, November. It only workd on UEFI
> >> machines /but/ that might have been changed. I honestly don't know if it's
> >> working on legacy BIOS machines
> >>
> >> Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is this guided installer part of the arch iso?  If so, how do you get it
> >>> going??  I would like to give this a test and see how this works.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Matthew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/14/2021 7:59 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>> ell there's a history of posts as far as Jenux breaking with people way
> >>>> more qualified than me digging through the code and having things break
> >>>> on their installs. I've personally had Jenux corrupt a flash drive to the
> >>>> point it's a glorified paprweight due to shenanigans with writing to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> That being said. Now Arch itself has the guided mode installer, which is
> >>>> perfectly useable with espeakup and that once installed, as of this month
> >>>> auto enables speech/braille at the end of the install, I'd argue Arch are
> >>>> doing a better job at making their systems accessible* than people assume
> >>>> though. I;d also say okay, Arch has a guided installer that works** and
> >>>> if booted with accessibility on, keeps those settings and gives you a
> >>>> working (base, mind) system out of the box.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> * Provided you install alsa-utils/espeakup as per a normal accessibility
> >>>> Arch install. There's a step in the guided installer where it asks for
> >>>> extra packages, that's where you plug alsa-utils/espeakup in.
> >>>> espeakup.service gets auto enabled at the end of the install as part of
> >>>> the installer
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ** Works, as long as you're okay with a base install but getting a DE up
> >>>> and running isn't that bad really once you did the install. I've not got
> >>>> the desktop ones to work currently but still poking at it. I'm tempted to
> >>>> add in orca-speech-dispatcher and so forth into the extra packages step.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> at that however.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/14/21 12:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I did use the latest as of about 15 hours ago. I did also verify the
> >>>>> iso.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The issue this time is that after running the installer and rebooting,
> >>>>> nothing spoke. the seeingAI on the iphone could read the screen just
> >>>>> fine, but I couldn't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Last time it was orca in Mate that didn't want to come on, no matter
> >>>>> what I do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I found that with Jenux, never expect the same thing to go wrong twice,
> >>>>> however something will break.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Warm regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brandt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2021/12/14 14:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>> Jenux gets regular updates latest is 2021.11.17 unless that changed
> >>>>>> today.
> >>>>>> Did you verify your iso download?  If I find an .sha512 file file for
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>> iso, I won't install the iso without first verifying it with the
> >>>>>> .sha512
> >>>>>> file.  So two potential problems not using current Jenux install iso or
> >>>>>> failed to verify iso.  If you don't have those two problems, please
> >>>>>> write
> >>>>>> dnl.nash at gmail.com and let him know the problem you encountered on your
> >>>>>> install fail.  That one is the developer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jenux failed on me, again. I think I'll give it a skip for now, that
> >>>>>>> is unless
> >>>>>>> the dev actually fixes the thing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am on Fedora, for now, because it was the nearest Usb stick I could
> >>>>>>> grab
> >>>>>>> quickly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I might just give the vanilla Arch ISO another go. Why not?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2021/12/14 13:05, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>   or Manjaro Architect.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Personally. I've had success with the vanilla Arch ISO and the guided
> >>>>>>>> installer (the archinstall one), I just set it to boot up talking,
> >>>>>>>> went
> >>>>>>>> through it and added in alsa-utils/espeakup and then put
> >>>>>>>> speech-dispatcher/Orca/voices and a window manager on once the system
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> installed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jenux has never really worked for me on a VM or bare metal at all,
> >>>>>>>> whereas
> >>>>>>>> the official arch ISO is working rather well, and I dunno if the
> >>>>>>>> Architect
> >>>>>>>> edition is 36/64 bit or 32bit only or 64bit only. Admittedly, I've
> >>>>>>>> got a
> >>>>>>>> 64bit UEFI system so the official ISo works flawlessly on it however,
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> YMMV on that oneYes, but you probably don't want to hear it if you
> >>>>>>>> are set
> >>>>>>>> on using Jenux however.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 09:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I decided to give Jenux another go, last time, no matter what I
> >>>>>>>>> tried, I
> >>>>>>>>> couldn't get orca to come on after logging in to the system.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any advice?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, if this doesn't work out, is there a guide for doing a Manjaro
> >>>>>>>>> architect install? "Manjaro Talking" got updated a little while ago,
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> if, as I said, Jenux doesn't work out, I'd like to give that one a
> >>>>>>>>> go.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks so long.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my MacBook Air
> >>>>>>>>>
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