A question about Fenrir on Arch linux

Tue May 18 22:12:05 UTC 2021

One possible quick way to get an answer would be to install jenux which
has fenrir installed and working as its screen reader by default.  Then
install pipewire and allow pulseaudio to be uninstalled.  Then set up
pipewire as far as you can and reboot the system.  If fenrir comes up
talking, fenrir and pipewire can work together.  If not, maybe fenrir and
pipewire can be made to work together after proper configuration.

On Tue, 18 May 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> // Do I necessarily have to have pulseaudio? can't I manage with pipewire?
>
> you can have pipewire as well. you can have anything what produce sound
> :). But i cant say anything about that sorry.
>
> i don't know about the concept in the background. If pipewire has an similar
> concept as pulse audio (per user instance and isolation level), you might need
> an similar workarounds here. but the configuration scripts might not work
> then.
>
> if you like experiments, its worth a try. if you find a way, let me know, then
> we can integrate a configure-pipewire as well.
>
> // I ran the scripts, and i did hear fenrir's startup sound icon, but only
> when running Fenrir as current user, not as root, even after running the
> script you suggested.
>
> yea this sounds like the symptom what the pulse configuration scripts solve.
> fenrir cant run as user currently (its planned, but not yet complete). so
> fenrir dont get any input data to process (so the screeenreader cant read your
> screen :), its  a non screen reader XD)
>
> cheers chrys
>
>
> Am 18.05.21 um 18:52 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> > Hi there,
> >
> >
> > Do I necessarily have to have pulseaudio? can't I manage with pipewire?
> >
> > I ran the scripts, and i did hear fenrir's startup sound icon, but only when
> > running Fenrir as current user, not as root, even after running the script
> > you suggested.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Francisco.
> >
> > On 5/18/21 5:06 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> do you have the requirements for the generic sound / voice drivers
> >> installed?
> >> To get sure, reinstall it execute:
> >> sudo pacman -S sox espeak-ng xclip
> >>
> >> sox is used for play sound, espeak for voice output in the default
> >> configuration, xclip is a funny toy to let fenrir share the clipboard
> >> between your GUI and Terminal.
> >>
> >> start fenrir for testing in foreground - you can stop it using CTRL + C
> >> sudo fenrir
> >>
> >> did you hear the startup sound? fenrir plays a little soundicon at startup.
> >>
> >> if not, then pulseaudio is not configured.
> >> short story execute:
> >> # configure user
> >> /usr/share/fenrirscreenreader/tools/configure_pulse.sh
> >> # configure root
> >> sudo /usr/share/fenrirscreenreader/tools/configure_pulse.sh
> >>
> >> # need to restart that the configuration for both get active
> >>
> >> restart
> >>
> >> then retry
> >>
> >> sudo fenrir
> >>
> >> long storry: fenrir needs by default to run as root to collect the data on
> >> your screen or caputre the input devices. if fenrir speaks or creates
> >> sound, it does this as root user. you wont hear sound of an other user by
> >> pulseaudio (sound server) design. We need to transport the sound created as
> >> root to the sound server you have running as user to finally hear the
> >> sound.
> >>
> >> fenrir provides 2 scripts (see above) to configure the root puse audio to
> >> send the data to your user and configure user pulse audio to listen to the
> >> sound sent by root and play it.
> >>
> >> cheers chrys
> >>
> >>
> >> 18.05.21 um 14:46 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> >>
> >>> Hello there,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks so much, now, that part of the problem is solved!
> >>>
> >>> The other part, how ever, that is not solved, is that fenrir doesn't speak
> >>> with espeak, or espeak-ng.
> >>>
> >>> Do I have to set something somewhere for that to happen?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards.
> >>>
> >>> Francisco.
> >>>
> >>> On 5/18/21 10:24 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>> Howdy Francisco,
> >>>>
> >>>> i dont know why those libs are not an dependency by python-pyenchant if
> >>>> those are spread warnings. Maybe this should be reported to the package
> >>>> maintainer. But anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> you can ask pacman what package contains the specific file you need by
> >>>> "sudo pacman -Fy filename". here i did this for for example in
> >>>> libvokko.so:
> >>>>
> >>>> 10:14 [chrys at blackbeast ~] :) $ sudo pacman -Fy libvoikko.so
> >>>> [sudo] Passwort f?r chrys:
> >>>> :: Synchronisiere Paketdatenbanken...
> >>>>  core 903,5 KiB  6,17 MiB/s 00:00
> >>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>> 100%
> >>>>  extra 9,3 MiB  26,9 MiB/s 00:00
> >>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>> 100%
> >>>>  community 22,8 MiB  29,6 MiB/s 00:01
> >>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>> 100%
> >>>>  multilib 222,5 KiB  12,8 MiB/s 00:00
> >>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>> 100%
> >>>> extra/libvoikko 4.3.1-1
> >>>>     usr/lib/libvoikko.so
> >>>> 10:15 [chrys at blackbeast ~] :) $
> >>>>
> >>>> so the package you need for libvokko.so is "libvoikko"
> >>>> to silence out all the warnings do this:
> >>>> sudo pacman -S libvoikko nuspell hspell
> >>>>
> >>>> this install all 3 (IMO optional dependency's, what should not create a
> >>>> warning, but well, it is like it is)
> >>>>
> >>>> i use irssi as IRC (commandline) client. there is also Pidgin (as
> >>>> graphical client). both are very nice.
> >>>>
> >>>> looking forward to see you in IRC :).
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers chrys
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 18.05.21 um 08:57 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> >>>>> Hello there,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I managed to install one of the libraries, but not the other two, so
> >>>>> thanks for that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, thanks for suggesting to use yay, I just installed it, I didn't
> >>>>> know yaourt was deprecated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My question now is, and this'll be dum, what are recommended IRC
> >>>>> clients? how do I get them working? what should I know before joining an
> >>>>> IRC channel, what ever it might be?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Francisco.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 5/17/21 9:19 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi, I just posted a link to this message intended to chrys (Fenrir
> >>>>>> author) on the #a11y channel of irc.linux-a11y.org.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe join him there?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Didier
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Le 17/05/2021 ? 20:15, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
> >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I just downloaded fenrir-git from the AUR using yaourt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I try to run fenrir with the command
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> fenrir
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> in a terminal, how ever, i get fenrir's startup sound, and this:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [francisco at Blueblink ~]$ fenrir
> >>>>>>> ** (process:7008): WARNING **: 20:12:45.374: Error loading plugin:
> >>>>>>> libhspell.so.
> >>>>>>> 0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>> ** (process:7008): WARNING **: 20:12:45.374: Error loading plugin:
> >>>>>>> libvoikko.so.
> >>>>>>> 1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>> ** (process:7008): WARNING **: 20:12:45.377: Error loading plugin:
> >>>>>>> libnuspell.so
> >>>>>>> .4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any ideas on how to fix it, and no speech either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for any answer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Francisco.
> >>>>>>>
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