A question about Fenrir on Arch linux

Tue May 18 22:42:19 UTC 2021

dnl.nash at gmail.com Daniel Nash.

On Wed, 19 May 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> jenux has installed fenrir by default? very interesting, i didnt know that (or
> forgott about that). who is the creator of jenux? somebody i know from lists?
>
> cheers chrys
>
> Am 19.05.21 um 00:12 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> > One possible quick way to get an answer would be to install jenux which
> > has fenrir installed and working as its screen reader by default.  Then
> > install pipewire and allow pulseaudio to be uninstalled.  Then set up
> > pipewire as far as you can and reboot the system.  If fenrir comes up
> > talking, fenrir and pipewire can work together.  If not, maybe fenrir and
> > pipewire can be made to work together after proper configuration.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 18 May 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> // Do I necessarily have to have pulseaudio? can't I manage with pipewire?
> >>
> >> you can have pipewire as well. you can have anything what produce sound
> >> :). But i cant say anything about that sorry.
> >>
> >> i don't know about the concept in the background. If pipewire has an
> >> similar
> >> concept as pulse audio (per user instance and isolation level), you might
> >> need
> >> an similar workarounds here. but the configuration scripts might not work
> >> then.
> >>
> >> if you like experiments, its worth a try. if you find a way, let me know,
> >> then
> >> we can integrate a configure-pipewire as well.
> >>
> >> // I ran the scripts, and i did hear fenrir's startup sound icon, but only
> >> when running Fenrir as current user, not as root, even after running the
> >> script you suggested.
> >>
> >> yea this sounds like the symptom what the pulse configuration scripts
> >> solve.
> >> fenrir cant run as user currently (its planned, but not yet complete). so
> >> fenrir dont get any input data to process (so the screeenreader cant read
> >> your
> >> screen :), its  a non screen reader XD)
> >>
> >> cheers chrys
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 18.05.21 um 18:52 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Do I necessarily have to have pulseaudio? can't I manage with pipewire?
> >>>
> >>> I ran the scripts, and i did hear fenrir's startup sound icon, but only
> >>> when
> >>> running Fenrir as current user, not as root, even after running the script
> >>> you suggested.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards.
> >>>
> >>> Francisco.
> >>>
> >>> On 5/18/21 5:06 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>> Howdy,
> >>>>
> >>>> do you have the requirements for the generic sound / voice drivers
> >>>> installed?
> >>>> To get sure, reinstall it execute:
> >>>> sudo pacman -S sox espeak-ng xclip
> >>>>
> >>>> sox is used for play sound, espeak for voice output in the default
> >>>> configuration, xclip is a funny toy to let fenrir share the clipboard
> >>>> between your GUI and Terminal.
> >>>>
> >>>> start fenrir for testing in foreground - you can stop it using CTRL + C
> >>>> sudo fenrir
> >>>>
> >>>> did you hear the startup sound? fenrir plays a little soundicon at
> >>>> startup.
> >>>>
> >>>> if not, then pulseaudio is not configured.
> >>>> short story execute:
> >>>> # configure user
> >>>> /usr/share/fenrirscreenreader/tools/configure_pulse.sh
> >>>> # configure root
> >>>> sudo /usr/share/fenrirscreenreader/tools/configure_pulse.sh
> >>>>
> >>>> # need to restart that the configuration for both get active
> >>>>
> >>>> restart
> >>>>
> >>>> then retry
> >>>>
> >>>> sudo fenrir
> >>>>
> >>>> long storry: fenrir needs by default to run as root to collect the data
> >>>> on
> >>>> your screen or caputre the input devices. if fenrir speaks or creates
> >>>> sound, it does this as root user. you wont hear sound of an other user by
> >>>> pulseaudio (sound server) design. We need to transport the sound created
> >>>> as
> >>>> root to the sound server you have running as user to finally hear the
> >>>> sound.
> >>>>
> >>>> fenrir provides 2 scripts (see above) to configure the root puse audio to
> >>>> send the data to your user and configure user pulse audio to listen to
> >>>> the
> >>>> sound sent by root and play it.
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers chrys
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 18.05.21 um 14:46 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello there,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks so much, now, that part of the problem is solved!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other part, how ever, that is not solved, is that fenrir doesn't
> >>>>> speak
> >>>>> with espeak, or espeak-ng.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do I have to set something somewhere for that to happen?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Francisco.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 5/18/21 10:24 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>> Howdy Francisco,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i dont know why those libs are not an dependency by python-pyenchant if
> >>>>>> those are spread warnings. Maybe this should be reported to the package
> >>>>>> maintainer. But anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> you can ask pacman what package contains the specific file you need by
> >>>>>> "sudo pacman -Fy filename". here i did this for for example in
> >>>>>> libvokko.so:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 10:14 [chrys at blackbeast ~] :) $ sudo pacman -Fy libvoikko.so
> >>>>>> [sudo] Passwort f?r chrys:
> >>>>>> :: Synchronisiere Paketdatenbanken...
> >>>>>>  core 903,5 KiB  6,17 MiB/s 00:00
> >>>>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>>>> 100%
> >>>>>>  extra 9,3 MiB  26,9 MiB/s 00:00
> >>>>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>>>> 100%
> >>>>>>  community 22,8 MiB  29,6 MiB/s 00:01
> >>>>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>>>> 100%
> >>>>>>  multilib 222,5 KiB  12,8 MiB/s 00:00
> >>>>>> [#########################################################################]
> >>>>>> 100%
> >>>>>> extra/libvoikko 4.3.1-1
> >>>>>>     usr/lib/libvoikko.so
> >>>>>> 10:15 [chrys at blackbeast ~] :) $
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> so the package you need for libvokko.so is "libvoikko"
> >>>>>> to silence out all the warnings do this:
> >>>>>> sudo pacman -S libvoikko nuspell hspell
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this install all 3 (IMO optional dependency's, what should not create a
> >>>>>> warning, but well, it is like it is)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i use irssi as IRC (commandline) client. there is also Pidgin (as
> >>>>>> graphical client). both are very nice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> looking forward to see you in IRC :).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> cheers chrys
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 18.05.21 um 08:57 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> >>>>>>> Hello there,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I managed to install one of the libraries, but not the other two, so
> >>>>>>> thanks for that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also, thanks for suggesting to use yay, I just installed it, I didn't
> >>>>>>> know yaourt was deprecated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My question now is, and this'll be dum, what are recommended IRC
> >>>>>>> clients? how do I get them working? what should I know before joining
> >>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> IRC channel, what ever it might be?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Francisco.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 5/17/21 9:19 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, I just posted a link to this message intended to chrys (Fenrir
> >>>>>>>> author) on the #a11y channel of irc.linux-a11y.org.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Maybe join him there?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Didier
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Le 17/05/2021 ? 20:15, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
> >>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I just downloaded fenrir-git from the AUR using yaourt.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> When I try to run fenrir with the command
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> fenrir
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> in a terminal, how ever, i get fenrir's startup sound, and this:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [francisco at Blueblink ~]$ fenrir
> >>>>>>>>> ** (process:7008): WARNING **: 20:12:45.374: Error loading plugin:
> >>>>>>>>> libhspell.so.
> >>>>>>>>> 0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>>>> ** (process:7008): WARNING **: 20:12:45.374: Error loading plugin:
> >>>>>>>>> libvoikko.so.
> >>>>>>>>> 1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>>>> ** (process:7008): WARNING **: 20:12:45.377: Error loading plugin:
> >>>>>>>>> libnuspell.so
> >>>>>>>>> .4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to fix it, and no speech either.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for any answer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Francisco.
> >>>>>>>>>
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