What is the easiest and most accessible editor?
Linux for blind general discussion
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Tue Nov 30 20:42:52 UTC 2021
"Emacs tutorial" is in the "splash screen" that opens on first use of Emacs.
r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:32 PM Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have been following this discussion for a bit and was wondering, and
> have been doing so for a while, where do you go to learn Emacs?
> Even worse is Emacsspeak, the user guide I can find out there is more
> than 10 years old.
> Isn't there a concise, easy to follow step-by-step guide out there some
> I'd think those, so passionate about their chosen choice would make it
> possible for the newbie to learn, Gentoo and Arch did it, why not Emacs
> and Emacsspeak?
> Warm regards,
> Brandt Steenkamp
> Sent from the Fedora machine, using Thunderbird
> On 2021/11/30 19:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > Interesting. The problem is that email itself has several components
> > that don't fit well into an editor window. Reading and writing emails
> > for example fits into an editor style window just fine, but setting up
> > email accounts, moving through folders and lists of messages,
> > expanding and collapsing threads, etc just don't fit into that box
> > very well.
> > I also had a look at one point at the shell terminal. Whereas it's
> > good to be able to edit the current command line, I found that
> > pressing the up arrow key to put the previous command back on the
> > screen to either repeat or modify didn't bring up the previous
> > command, but instead put my cursor on the last line of the previous
> > command's output. Shells need to be line edited, not screen edited,
> > and that's where the whole thing fell flat, especially since as I
> > recall, I was even able to accidentally overwrite command output
> > because the whole screen is in an editable ... buffer I think they
> > call it.
> > Regarding the key sequences, x is a way to cross something out, x it
> > out, cut it. C stands for copy, and I guess v got its paste
> > functionality because it's right next to cut and copy. Not sure about
> > that one. Still, it's better than some of the key combinations I find
> > even in nano, control+w to find something for example, or even better
> > is control+q, which is supposed to quit, but instead performs a
> > backward search. What the ...? Emacs keys are even worse, since as I
> > recall, finding something requires two key combinations, and if I
> > remember correctly, neither includes an f for find or even an s for
> > search. Emacs puts me in mind of the old days of a little program I
> > used in school called Turbo Pascal. That horrible thing ... if I
> > wanted to compile the program I had just written,- I still remember
> > it - I had to press control+k and then d. Again, what the ...? I don't
> > know ... I just did it ... because that's what the teacher told me I
> > had to do in order to compile my program. Nothing in that key sequence
> > could be thought of as compile or even build, well, maybe the d on the
> > end of build. But that sure was a nightmare to have to remember that
> > that's what that crazy combination of keys did. I can only imagine
> > everything working that way, which was the experience I had when I
> > looked at some Emacs documentation. But then I could be wrong, since
> > the last time I even opened the application was probably 15 years ago,
> > and I didn't even see the nice little help thingy at the bottom of the
> > screen like what I got from Nano and Pico that I had used before it.
> > At least in vim I was able to use the :help command to get me started,
> > but even that was much more complicated than it needed to be,
> > especially when I just wanted to cut something and paste it somewhere
> > else in the same file. I do like its search and replace functionality
> > though. %s/something/else/g if I remember correctly, just like in the
> > sed command, will replace every occurrence of something with else.
> > That said, I can just as easily run a find and replace, put something
> > in the search field and else in the replace field, then tick the box
> > that says replace all, and it's just as good, and doesn't even use
> > more fingers, since the tab key is replacing the / key in this use case.
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