different desktops

[Linux for blind general discussion]

That could not work for a total, with no one else around.

> On Apr 6, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> depending on the distribution you may need to install orca additively.
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> 
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
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>> When did Cinnamon get A11y?
>> 
>> The narrative I've always heard is oh it has no A11Y by design?
>> 
>> If that's actually changed recently I may give it a shot on Arch then
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 05:09:20PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> It's getting better and if memory serves is almost up with mate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Is Cinnamon as good and accessible as  Mate? If thaat's so, it's great then.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 03:17:39PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Cinnamon would qualify as a desktop and is supposed to be similar to mate
>>>>> in operation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just pointing out that Ratpoison+Strychnine, IceWm, Openbox and others
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>> exactly full desktops, but are pretty much just the window manager side of
>>>>>> things. A full desktop would include at least one panel with system
>>>>>> tray/notification area, app indicators such as the battery monitor and
>>>>>> clock,
>>>>>> most of the time a file manager that doubles as a root window desktop that
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> include launchers and mount points and an application menu or some other
>>>>>> type
>>>>>> of launcher that allows you to see the applications on the system and
>>>>>> launch
>>>>>> them, usually grouped into various categories. Strychnine does do some of
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> for Ratpoison, but it's pretty much just a launcher menu and run window
>>>>>> type
>>>>>> of thing. Many components that would make it a full desktop are still
>>>>>> missing,
>>>>>> although it is possible to run Caja or Nautilus and possibly either
>>>>>> mate-panel
>>>>>> or gnome-panel along with it for a more full desktop experience if desired.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> About the best full desktop experience I've used is GNOME 2.x, which is
>>>>>> continued as the MATE desktop. Some panel applets don't necessarily speak
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> much as they should, for example, nm-applet, which is the network manager,
>>>>>> only says "panel," but for the most part, everything just works and is
>>>>>> navigable with only a keyboard, although I find Orca's "speak object under
>>>>>> mouse" to be fairly useful at times as well. GNOME 3.x and 40+ is another
>>>>>> option, but some things seem to be a little less usable than the MATE
>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>> overall. KDE is coming along, but is still in the early stages of a11y
>>>>>> development, so although many things are starting to work pretty well,
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> are still not quite usable at this stage. For full desktops, the only other
>>>>>> partially usable options are xfce, lxde and lxqt, and all of those seem to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> getting a bit long in the tooth, and some of these are even starting to
>>>>>> lose
>>>>>> some of the accessibility they once had. So as full desktops go, my three
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> recommendations would be MATE, then GNOME, then KDE. And then there are the
>>>>>> window managers that include keyboard navigation, Ratpoison+Strychnine
>>>>>> probably being the best of those options, although I have heard that IceWM,
>>>>>> Fluxbox and Openbox, as well as possibly i3, can also be made more usable
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> either helper applications or hand-edited configuration files.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ~Kyle
>>>>>> 
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