FYI - Command Line Programs for the Blind
Linux for blind general discussion
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Wed Apr 13 14:01:53 UTC 2022
Why not use windows 11 then?
Just a thought!
> 13 apr. 2022 kl. 15:47 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
> Again, you compare apples to oranges. Mutt requires tons of configuration hoops to be jumped through before it is even somewhat useful. This is far worse than the first-run experience in Thunderbird. You say you just transfer a file to get Mutt working on a new machine. The only difference with Thunderbird is that you have to transfer a folder instead of a file. So Thunderbird is still the clear winner here, since it takes far less time to get it set up and actually reading and responding to mail if you've never used it. Once configured, since I already turned off the calendar and such in my initial setup process, and since I needed to set up my email accounts anyway, I found that the new account screen is far easier to use than Mutt's initial configuration hassles, and I only press shift+tab once to get to my message list, which is how it will work if I transfer the ~/.thunderbird folder to a new machine as well, and it will then bypass the new account setup and just work as I expect wherever I want to use it.
> I totally agree about the sensible keybindings. Thins are finally starting to move in that direction, and this is a good thing indeed. Still, there is a lot of work to be done, and most terminal applications will probably have to be rebuilt from the ground up, while still others will need to be developed in order to make the terminal a somewhat more hospitable place for anyone other than a power user. Yes, I do use a terminal for some things that I just find a bit easier that way, but for a long time now, even though most tutorials seem to focus on the power user by telling people to open up a terminal, most of that stuff is copy and paste kind of stuff, and much of it can be done without a terminal as well. It certainly can't hurt to learn a bit about it, but it is a pretty scary place for people who are new to computers. Fortunately though, we do have easy-to-use desktops and applications, and I was able to successfully show someone how to do anything they needed to do on their computer, including some pretty advanced stuff, without opening a terminal even once, since the terminal is still useful for some things, but has not been the only way to do things for some time now. Again, I don't knock it, but it definitely can be scary even now that the landscape has improved somewhat fairly recently, and if I can, I avoid terminal use, not for myself, but for teaching new users how to use a Linux computer. I definitely will steer clear of things like Mutt, and certainly EMACS, as these are the kings of the scariest terminal lands that seem to be popular among power users, but I gave up on trying to make these work years ago, as power user though I am, I couldn't get past the extremely steep learning curve just to get them configured. Oh yeah, and Edbrowse was another that I just couldn't get to do anything meaningful for me. Again, that was many years ago now, but I doubt it has become less scary and more usable over the course of that time. Just trying to figure out how to get it to show me part of a single page on a website was not something I could get working, let alone actually trying to click a link that goes somewhere else, even on the same page.
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