FYI - Command Line Programs for the Blind

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Thu Apr 14 00:20:10 UTC 2022

That or insufficient memory to handle web page browsing in nvda could do
that.  Last time I used jaws the Navy had upgraded me to 6gb of memory
just to have jaws run at something approaching normal speed on its system.
For a long time I had a much smaller memory footprint than that.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> These are valid points. But what I get from Windows: a mostly clean
> > accessibility experience (mostly thanks to NVDA and community support), and
> > a good many apps designed by and for the blind.
> Having been on a laptop recently just to test a website, I can say that
> although improvements have been made that make NVDA easier to use, its virtual
> buffering makes things harder to use, not easier, and the accessibility
> experience I found far less clean. This laptop I was on was fairly new, and I
> still had major problems just browsing because the whole thing was made slower
> by the screen reader having to copy the page from the website. Even worse
> since it has to infinite loop over the original and compare it with its copy
> in case anything ever changes. Next I must point out that although I am blind,
> I have never fallen into the category of "the blind." This is a point I failed
> to make early on in this thread, although I make it here. I, AM, NOT, THE,
> BLIND, I, AM HUMAN! I shout it from the rooftops. I, AM, HUMAN, it's only my
> eyes that don't work so well. I will also point out that some years ago, I
> found myself running that horrible beast of a non-operating system just to
> play two games and to use a twitter client that was made for as you so
> eloquently put it, "the blind." Once I saw that this was all I was using it
> for, I tossed that virtual machine into the trash faster than you can say
> "toss that virtual machine into the trash." I found that it certainly wasn't
> worth my time and energy to keep it running just for that frivolous activity
> that I could do on the host Linux OS with just a little more effort, and the
> Twitter website really isn't so bad that it needs "for the blind" treatment.
> > I mean I have Google Chrome set as my default browser right now. And I can
> > uninstall a lot. There's no Candy Crush Saga, and I just uninstalled Dizney
> > Plus.
> >
> > What? How did you do all that? I got help trying to get some of that crap
> > gone, and it WILL, NOT, GO, not even on 10. OK I think 3 of us were able to
> > wrestle Disney Plus off the thing, but getting rid of that Microsoft browser
> > is a no-go, along with many other things that just didn't have the
> > appropriate uninstall or remove type of buttons, only a link that took us to
> > a help page about how to uninstall software. But the crap simply won't go,
> > no matter how hard we tried to get it gone. Did they fix this in 11 with the
> > default browser thing? There was much talk around the interwebs about the
> > browser in 11 being stuck, and it taking hours to try to figure out how to
> > change the default, and then once enough people figured out how to change
> > it, Microsoft went and fixed them so they got the Microsoft browser back and
> > couldn't change it anymore. This is what happens when you let a single
> > company with a known history of bad business control every aspect of your
> > computer. They can do what t
> hey want with it, no matter how much of a power user you think you are.
> > Windows Terminal exists. They even have a Windows package manager. But if
> > you don't like that one, you use Scoop, or Chocolatey, which also have some
> > Linux apps and command line programs.
> > OK I'll give you that cmd is still a thing, and believe it or not, you will
> > find many articles around the interwebs that tell you to open up cmd to do
> > this or that. And I guess they've made it somewhat more useful again? Last
> > time I used anything like that, they were taking things away from it to make
> > it less useful, not adding choices to make it more usable. I pretty much
> > lost it when they took move away for example.
> > That's still true. But you'd just install Thunderbird wouldn't you? It
> > works even better on windows than Linux because the accessibility bus is
> > faster to load all those messages into its buffers.
> >
> >
> Um, no. If Google Chrome is any indication, it would be slower, as it's
> loading all that stuff into buffers that are not needed and take time. One
> banking website that I tested felt quite sluggish on a rather new laptop. I
> can do my banking much much faster here on this 8-year-old all-in-one computer
> than I was able to do on that laptop. I felt like I was slogging through mud
> using that thing. I'm sure email in Thunderbird would be just as bad. It used
> to feel sluggish here as well, but this has been greatly improved now. I no
> longer notice any sluggishness here, even on less resource packed machines,
> even in large folders, which I will admit used to be a high pain point, not
> because of the accessibility bus itself, but because of event floods that have
> been largely fixed.
> ~Kyle
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