Getting started with Emacspeak?

Fri Apr 15 22:46:46 UTC 2022

Hi,

Sorry it's now late this side of the world so I  will be knocking off
this machine for today. But I also noticed that Emacspeak has got a
number of these inconsistencies. It is difficult to find out the issue.
Some settings for example, are under TTS, and you may need to go there
and set them. My own rate with Espeak is at 450, and that way I can say
it is normal.

But, before I knock off, I think you may need to join the Emacspeak list
where Dr Tahman himself will respond to some of your queries, along with
some people who are knowledgeable than myself. I often just concentrate
on Emacs functionality itself without digging into the bowels of
Emacspeak. For instance, I disagree with some of the philosophies such
as continuous reading without movement of the cursor, default
punctuations set to all, announcement of cap letters, sounds, and of
course the voice-lock something. So I disabled most of these long ago, I
forgot how I did it.

But here is the address for the emacspeak list, where I believe you can
get better help: I think you can send a message to with the subject
"subscribe". emacspeak at emacspeak.org.

Ishe

Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:

> That's od. I don't have emacspeak git only the regular emacspeak with the AUr?
>
> Not sure if that's down to the AUR being odd or something but a Paru -Ss emacspeak to search only gives me the regular emacspeak and shows it as installed, nothing about git?
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 11:15:16PM +0200, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> By the way, did you install Emacspeak itself from AUR, or git? I
>> discovered that the Git version is better than the AUR one. Since you
>> said you are using Paru, I believe it works almost the same like yay. I
>> use yay here. Still the bottom line is that you can just pull emacspeak
>> from its repo and then run it that way.
>> 
>> Ishe
>> 
>> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Right got all that going...but...
>> >
>> > I dunno iif it's an arch specific issue or the tutorial I was following is outdated, but there's no emacspeak group in the customize options
>> >
>> > But, there's literally zero things about emacspeak in the settings at all. I'm running it from the AUR which may be my problem. I'll try a manual compile and go from there. I forget the latest release though but I thought it was higher than 28?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> >> Should be at ~/.emacs.el
>> >> Devin Prater
>> >> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 2:28 PM Linux for blind general discussion <
>> >> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > One problem...
>> >> >
>> >> > Where is that el file then? Turning off the auditory icons didn't do
>> >> > anything at all, at least not that I'm aware of?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 02:02:21PM -0500, Linux for blind general
>> >> > discussion wrote:
>> >> > > To kill the icons, do C-u C-e a. That's Control + U (universal argument),
>> >> > > Control + E for the Emacspeak layered command, then a for audio icons.
>> >> > Then
>> >> > > to change speech rate, do C-u C-e d r. To set that perminently, do C-h
>> >> > spc
>> >> > > (control + h then space) for customize, type emacspeak, pres Enter, find
>> >> > > the speech rate for whatever you're using, eSpeak or Outloud, then change
>> >> > > that number, then save the buffer with C-x s.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To install MELPA, add this to your .emacs.el file:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > (require 'package)
>> >> > > (add-to-list 'package-archives '("melpa" . "https://melpa.org/packages/")
>> >> > t)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Save your .emacs.el file. Now, do C-h p. This opens a list of packages.
>> >> > You
>> >> > > can use your arrow keys, or n and p, to navigate packages. Press i to
>> >> > make
>> >> > > the ones you want to install, including the nov package for reading
>> >> > books,
>> >> > > then press x to install. You'll be asked if you want to install a number
>> >> > of
>> >> > > packages, press y.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Then, when done, you can add this to enable nov.el to open EPUB files:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.epub\\'" . nov-mode))
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You can read more about it at:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > https://depp.brause.cc/nov.el/
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Devin Prater
>> >> > > r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 1:20 PM Linux for blind general discussion <
>> >> > > blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > So. How would I go about installing all that from scratch then? I've a
>> >> > > > bone tock emacspeak install with paru -S emacspeak.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Now. How do I get that book thing, tramp and gnus or notmuch and such.
>> >> > Is
>> >> > > > there a script I can run that does all the heavy lifting for me or is
>> >> > it a
>> >> > > > case of download this, extract it here, edit these files and such?
>> >> > I've no
>> >> > > > clue where Arch puts the configs and stuff for emacspeak or where to
>> >> > even
>> >> > > > look for editing stuf like that.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > So. Where do I begin?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > See what i want to do before anything else, is up the speech rate and
>> >> > kill
>> >> > > > the sound icons, the beeps and bleeps when I move around a buffer. I
>> >> > did
>> >> > > > look in the emacspeak manual but didn't find anything and the default
>> >> > > > speech rate is insanely slow for my liking
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 01:01:55PM -0500, Linux for blind general
>> >> > > > discussion wrote:
>> >> > > > > One thing you forgot to ask: Can I read books in Emaacs with
>> >> > Emacspeak?
>> >> > > > The
>> >> > > > > answer is yes, through Nov.el (from the Melpa package archives). It's
>> >> > > > > pretty darn nice, preserves all the formatting, lets you move through
>> >> > > > > chapters and such, much better than converting to plain text and
>> >> > trying
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > > save your place there.
>> >> > > > > Devin Prater
>> >> > > > > r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 11:04 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
>> >> > > > > blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Hi answers inline, but in short for the first three questions: yes
>> >> > it's
>> >> > > > > > possible.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> >> > writes:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > I know i'm going to be in for a long, long, painful process.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > But here's my questions.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Can I, on emacspeak...
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > 1. Check and respond to my gemails? Dirent things online have
>> >> > > > > > > different answers
>> >> > > > > > You can use any of the email clients such as notmuch, Wanderlust,
>> >> > gnus
>> >> > > > > > or mu4e to do just that. The only thing I have to say is that like
>> >> > most
>> >> > > > > > terminal applications, you have to deal with  text files to enter
>> >> > IMAP
>> >> > > > > > and SMTP details.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > As for me, I use notmuch.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > 2. Have a telnet client up and going to connect to stuff like
>> >> > MUDs
>> >> > > > > > > without leaving emacspeak?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Sure, you use tramp for that. For instance, entering
>> >> > /ssh:root!blahblah
>> >> > > > > > will connect you to a remote ssh server at blahblah.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > 3. Can I browse the modern net in emacspeak or?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > You can use eww or w3. If you set a variable for it to pretend as
>> >> > if it
>> >> > > > > > is FF or something else. However, personally, though I am a heavy
>> >> > Emacs
>> >> > > > > > user, I still find browsing with Firefox or Chrome with Orca a
>> >> > better
>> >> > > > > > option.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > And 4. Al, do you happen to know where I can get a hold o that
>> >> > book
>> >> > > > > > > you metnioned?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I am not Al, but the book is called Harley's Emacs Field Guide and
>> >> > can
>> >> > > > > > be found from Bookshare.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Cheers,
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Ishe
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Those are my four questions. I the answer to any of the above is
>> >> > no,
>> >> > > > > > it's a deal breaker for me
>> >> > > > > > > --
>> >> > > > > > > Jace's words are up there. Quoted and old messages below this
>> >> > point
>> >> > > > > > >
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