"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
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Sat Aug 13 19:27:30 UTC 2022
Jude DaShiell here, the Wufrug Group I think from Kuwait bought out FS.
By now, Wufrug Group may have sold FS to another corporation for all I
On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't know why FS would
> not be able to do the same.
> If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real game changer, and
> I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start seeing
> accessibility in Linux not being a second thought.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
> Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
> Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any longer, being bought
> by another company.
> Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created their tools for
> That is because as I understand it, Linux is quite like clay. You can
> mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various
> personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and changes and options
> for creativity.
> however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical characteristics,
> hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these.
> To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid foundation as it
> were. that is part of why there have needed to be so few Apple efforts at
> inclusion, they created with, and then created in-house adaptive tools
> for various populations that were built into the system.
> Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in theory at least, the
> consistency of windows is what makes it possible for freedom or the former
> gw micro or nvda to create something that can in theory work.
> Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid.
> Just my thoughts,
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> > I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For Linux.
> > JFL
> > I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it would bring many
> > more
> > users into Linux.
> > FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more robust than Orca.
> > Glenn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>
> > To: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> > Cc: <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
> >>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> writes:
> > KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
> > KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
> > KL> defines Linux usage for everyone. That attitude is dangerous,
> > KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
> > KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual. he has
> > KL> to be expert, it is his job.
> > Hi Karen,
> > I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and qualifications. I
> > also know first hand that he is open to constructive feedback and I
> > believe he?d be happy to be corrected about possible technical
> > inaccuracies in the interview. It may be also a good opportunity to
> > find out what?s possibly missing in making anybody better informed.
> > As for ?absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced?, what
> > reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard desktop
> > with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a common blind user
> > who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and process text
> > documents, to be compatible with other computer users, etc.?
> > And let?s be realistic. We celebrate every single developer hired to
> > improve accessibility. This tells something about the state of the
> > matters. We cannot expect that a single person will fix all the kinds
> > of accessibility problems in all the environments. Lukas works at his
> > job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as urgent ones and I
> > appreciate this opportunity. Anybody else seeing a need to work on
> > other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
> > Regards,
> > Milan
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