"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Sun Aug 14 23:50:46 UTC 2022

....and the average cost of a braille display?
and if the material cannot be accessed in Linux?
I could do this all day long.
its wonderful you have that solution for you...but everyone deserves their 
solution as well, especially if they are in the majority.
The red lobster where I live  provides braille menus.
Almost always when I visit, the server brings me one.
Without fail, i tell that server how glad I am they provide this menu for 
the comparatively few who need it, because they deserve the experience of 
ordering as they personally define independence.
It is unfortunate though, that for some, my not being blind as they define 
it, means I  cannot be expected to define independence as my body 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> I mean, we don't have to have volumes of Braille anymore, just a Braille
> Display, which work great with BRLTTY.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:21 PM Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> I echo this attitude concern, but for a different reason.
>> who gets to decide what bodies  deserve a place at the table?
>> because of a vascular accident in an eye surgery, I experience a brain
>> anomaly where certain frequencies stimulate the dizzy centres of my brain.
>> allot of those frequencies happen in poorly designed software  speech
>> configurations for Linux.
>> Meaning, because little effort has been made to give choices for Linux
>> speech in the gui, if I wanted to use this, I would have to choose between
>> a Linux computer and hospitalization.
>> compare this with apple hardware.
>> I recently aquired a  mid 2012 macbook pro which, because of how the
>> voiceover   sound is produced is perfectly safe for my use..and I can
>> still run  only one  Mac os off  from the last pre m.1 systems.
>> i have an associate in my office running their business on a 2011 macbook
>> pro.
>> Indeed climate change, landfill issues, available resources in terms of
>> training and access all over the world.
>> And, for many how their body works mandates choices.
>> There was a time when one of the great things about Linux was that it
>> could be used to breathe  new life into older hardware.  especially
>> helpful in  non-western countries where getting the fastest car on the
>> road was costly.
>> If your attitude was the rule though, those folks regardless of abilities
>> might never get computers at all.
>>   take your attitude and say substitute braille.
>>   Statistically less than 10% of the blindness community are braille
>> users,
>> meaning the majority do not  use it, or even learn it if newly blinded.
>> so, its unfortunate some blind people are still stuck needing volumes and
>> volumes of braille, but  to expect the world to confirm to such a limited
>> use language etc.
>> Speaking personally, especially given how flexible Linux is  supposed to
>> be?
>> deciding some have no place at your gui table is little different than
>> deciding those who are visible minorities, no matter the location, have no
>> place at the table either.
>>   Karen
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, Chris Brannon wrote:
>>> Matt Campbell <mattcampbell at pobox.com> writes:
>>>> I took this position in 2000, but for the last decade or more, access
>> to a
>>>> GUI has been widely available to blind people at no extra cost. (If
>> there
>>>> are blind people today who are truly stuck on old hardware with no
>>>> accessible GUI, that's unfortunate, but I think this is one case where
>> the
>>>> best solution is charity, not expecting the rest of the world to
>> accommodate
>>>> this situation forever. That's no different than for sighted people
>> stuck on
>>>> very old hardware.)
>>> I'm sorry, but this is a very irresponsible attitude, given the impact
>>> of climate change.  And now on top of that, the world is coping with
>>> supply chain issues.  "Chuck it in a landfill because it won't run the
>>> latest Electron app" is deeply unacceptable.
>>> I do agree with you about the importance of GUI accessibility, even
>>> though I only use one when circumstances force me to it.  I'm somewhat
>>> optimistic about the recent news.
>>> -- Chris
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