"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
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Wed Aug 17 21:24:09 UTC 2022
Do what?
where I am it is actually a violation of vendor contract to tell someone
they must use a certain tool.
give them the chance in an office to try several things yes.
Force jaws down their throat like rehab does no.
I said I wished I knew someone in Nebraska media not that I did...although
perhaps.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> Please do.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
> Cc: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>; "John G. Heim" <jheim at wisc.edu>;
> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>
>
> Glen,
> you are missing the point.
> A commission board, at least if constructed with integrity serves as a
> watchdog for your organization's activities.
> Making sure that you act, objectively, and above influence with government
> funding.
> That role differs from a public servant, like yourself.
> In fact that the commission has members from both organizations is
> exactly why you should not be a member.
> if, as you said, the state has an Nfb philosophy, I wonder just how above
> influence that commission actually is, lip service attendance does not
> translate to the statement you freely made.
> Honestly, i wish I knew someone with Nebraska public radio. there is a
> investigative, data journalism piece right here, exploring how objective
> your office is in fact.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
>> Karen,
>> In Nebraska, the commission board attends both consumer groups' state
>> conventions.
>> So there is total transparency within the consumer groups.
>> The agency sends clients to both conventions for educational purposes.
>> Some can go to either national convention on the state.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>> Cc: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>; "John G. Heim"
>> <jheim at wisc.edu>;
>> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>
>>
>> wrong.
>> Your first duty is to those clients You serve. as illustrated here the
>> Nfb
>> used their ability to reach insiders to influence policy to the detriment
>> of the broader community...same can clearly be said for freedom
>> scientific.
>> That you stated clearly that your rehab system runs on an nfb philosophy
>> illustrates my point perfectly.
>> There are countless legal terms for such conflicts of interest, I dare
>> say if you were serving any other clientele your government watchdog would
>> put a stop to the practice.
>> allows the organization to have undue almost antitrust influence on
>> people's lives.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think so, we are people first, and being a government employee
>>> should not preclude personal rights.
>>> Besides, I attended the conventions for CEU credits, but I never joined
>>> with
>>> dues.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>> Cc: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>; "John G. Heim"
>>> <jheim at wisc.edu>;
>>> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 11:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>> speaking personally?
>>> No government employee should be a member of the NfB. ethical conflict
>>> of interest personified.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I had been to a state NFBN convention that year and did the PAC
>>>> thing.
>>>> Then when the NFB did that, I called up the state treasurer for the NFBN
>>>> and
>>>> cancelled my PAC plan.
>>>> I told them that they don't care if I can read my money, then they don't
>>>> need any from me.
>>>> Glenn
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>
>>>> Cc: "John G. Heim" <jheim at wisc.edu>; "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>;
>>>> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 11:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My personal favorite is the rejection of money that could be identified
>>>> by touch. never mind that for honestly thousands of years the practice
>>>> has
>>>> been common so those with limited education could still engage in
>>>> commerce.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Butch Bussen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I remember that. And what about their oposition to descriptive
>>>>> video,
>>>>> even filed a law sute to get the law thrown out, which it was at that
>>>>> time.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch
>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Holy cow! Are you aware that the NFB once asked Microsoft to *NOT*
>>>>>> improve
>>>>>> Narrator to the point where it would compete with Jaws? If you think
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> NFB is incapable of forcing choices on people, you are very sadly
>>>>>> mistaken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/16/22 09:36, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>> This sort of thing would never happen in Nebraska, or any state
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> agency staff is of the NFB philosophy.
>>>>>>> Say what you want about the NFB, no organization is without its
>>>>>>> problems,
>>>>>>> but it is the core philosophy that formed the NFB that knows that
>>>>>>> society
>>>>>>> has low expectations of the Blind, and this is why the NFB believes
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> skills and high expectations.
>>>>>>> And with that, comes giving respect to the Blind, like the respect
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>>> Yeah I know about the information of recent about NFB abuse, but
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> organizational issues, unrelated to the philosophy. In fact, the
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it has come up demonstrates that the NFB is no different than any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> organization in interpersonal staff issues.
>>>>>>> And choice does not mean training center choices.
>>>>>>> Choice isn't always an option, just like if you took a vocational
>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> college, there are things you have to take, so to me, the lack of
>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> this regard is different than computer software, where all the
>>>>>>> choices
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> reach the same end result.
>>>>>>> In states where the NFB philosophy is embraced, if a client said I
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> use a Mac, or I want Window Eyes, then that is what they would get,
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> questions asked.
>>>>>>> They would not have to fight to get it.
>>>>>>> I simply cannot imagine a counselor saying that someone has to use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> software that the counselor wants them to have.
>>>>>>> When I hear that stuff, I almost cannot believe it, but I know
>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> enough to know he wouldn't make that up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>> Cc: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>; <speakup at linux-speakup.org>;
>>>>>>> "Milan
>>>>>>> Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>; <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:18 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right. In Nevada, freedom pushed jaws to the rehab people
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> took them out for steak diners and so forth. I fought like hell to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> them to buy window-eyes.
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And where do these employers learn about jaws?
>>>>>>>> In fact, provide if you do not mind an example of how this works
>>>>>>>> exactly.
>>>>>>>> after all, unless I am incorrect, these employers are not personal
>>>>>>>> Jaws
>>>>>>>> users, meaning someone they trust continues to sell them on an
>>>>>>>> expensive
>>>>>>>> program instead of a largely free one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karen,
>>>>>>>>> Most employers don't want NVDA, and will only allow Jaws.
>>>>>>>>> In Nebraska, if an employer said put on whatever works, the
>>>>>>>>> counselors
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> use NVDA, because of the cost of Jaws.
>>>>>>>>> If some of the clients in a call center already use Jaws, but
>>>>>>>>> don't know
>>>>>>>>> NVDA, the counselor will use Jaws, because the other clients
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> learn one of the two.
>>>>>>>>> So it's all choice, but in the workplace, it depends on what
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> employer
>>>>>>>>> will allow.
>>>>>>>>> Also, sometimes scripts need to be made, and there are more
>>>>>>>>> Jaws
>>>>>>>>> scripters
>>>>>>>>> available than there are NVDA add-on writers.
>>>>>>>>> So this perception that Jaws is forced by rehab, from my 31
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> business I can say is rubbish.
>>>>>>>>> Now, if a counselor did not know how to use NVDA, and either
>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> chosen,
>>>>>>>>> the rehab counselor is able to select the one that the
>>>>>>>>> counselor
>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> best for the student and for the counselor's teaching.
>>>>>>>>> When it comes to part B moneys, which is used for
>>>>>>>>> non-vocational
>>>>>>>>> purchases,
>>>>>>>>> where a lot of Jaws purchases come from, it is in the agency's
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> interest
>>>>>>>>> to spend as little as possible, because that doesn't come back
>>>>>>>>> like VR
>>>>>>>>> expenditures do.
>>>>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal"
>>>>>>>>> <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>>>>>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 6:15 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The challenge with that example is that, as one often gets
>>>>>>>>> reminded,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> rehab systems track record for facilitating employment for
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> clients
>>>>>>>>> is quite poor.
>>>>>>>>> With a high percentage of unemployment among our clients.
>>>>>>>>> Making,
>>>>>>>>> speaking personally, your buying Jaws for personal use not
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>> reflecting how the system would respond to an alternative
>>>>>>>>> request.
>>>>>>>>> Now if someone from organized rehab said, okay freedom
>>>>>>>>> scientific, we
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> creating an employment program where our clients will train in
>>>>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>>>>>> needing a solid screen reader solution for the system. We will
>>>>>>>>> give you
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> exclusive development contract for s millions to create the
>>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>> Fs would likely say where do we sign?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True enough, but largely, rehab people typically use Windows
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> probably at home, but they need to cater to the needs of the
>>>>>>>>>> client.
>>>>>>>>>> If a client used Linux, I doubt that any rehab counselor
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> advocate
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the client switch to Windows, unless that was needed for a
>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>> In Nebraska, we purchased Jaws much more for personal use
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> we did
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> work related situations.
>>>>>>>>>> So if FS made a JFL, and people were using Linux, rehab would
>>>>>>>>>> indeed
>>>>>>>>>> purchase a JFL product.
>>>>>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal"
>>>>>>>>>> <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>>>>>>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there was an interesting discussion a month or so back on the
>>>>>>>>>> blinux
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> about how long it took completing tasks in the gui as apposed
>>>>>>>>>> to say
>>>>>>>>>> command line, the comments were quite informative.
>>>>>>>>>> Still, fs has never marketed largely to the end user. Instead
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> market
>>>>>>>>>> to the American rehab community.
>>>>>>>>>> how much market research has the rehab community done to
>>>>>>>>>> support the
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> for choices?
>>>>>>>>>> How many rehab counselors support training in Linux?
>>>>>>>>>> one comment made by the subject of this thread about poor
>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>> speech
>>>>>>>>>> is a fine one...out of the box Linux has few speech choices.
>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>> brings their needs to the table there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if you want to get fs to care about Linux, you need to prove
>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>> money for them there, from their main source of income.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know why
>>>>>>>>>>> FS
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> not be able to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>>> If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real
>>>>>>>>>>> game
>>>>>>>>>>> changer,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start
>>>>>>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility in Linux not being a second thought.
>>>>>>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal"
>>>>>>>>>>> <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>>>>>>>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any
>>>>>>>>>>> longer, being
>>>>>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>>>>>> by another company.
>>>>>>>>>>> Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>> That is because as I understand it, Linux is quite like
>>>>>>>>>>> clay. You
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various
>>>>>>>>>>> personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and
>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>> for creativity.
>>>>>>>>>>> however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical
>>>>>>>>>>> characteristics,
>>>>>>>>>>> hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these.
>>>>>>>>>>> To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid
>>>>>>>>>>> foundation as
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> were. that is part of why there have needed to be so few
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> efforts
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> inclusion, they created with, and then created in-house
>>>>>>>>>>> adaptive
>>>>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>>>>> for various populations that were built into the system.
>>>>>>>>>>> Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in
>>>>>>>>>>> theory
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> least,
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> consistency of windows is what makes it possible for
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>> or the
>>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>> gw micro or nvda to create something that can in theory
>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>> Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>> JFL
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would bring
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> users into Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>> FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more
>>>>>>>>>>>> robust
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>> Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual
>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> defines Linux usage for everyone. That attitude is
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> dangerous,
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> because he is educating those outside of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is
>>>>>>>>>>>> factual.
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and
>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> also know first hand that he is open to constructive
>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe heâ?Td be happy to be corrected about possible
>>>>>>>>>>>> technical
>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccuracies in the interview. It may be also a good
>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> find out whatâ?Ts possibly missing in making anybody
>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>> informed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for â?oabsolute dismissal of what he has not
>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencedâ?�,
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more
>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>> with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>>>>>> who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and
>>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>>>>>> documents, to be compatible with other computer users,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And letâ?Ts be realistic. We celebrate every single
>>>>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> hired
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> improve accessibility. This tells something about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> state of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> matters. We cannot expect that a single person will fix
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> kinds
>>>>>>>>>>>> of accessibility problems in all the environments. Lukas
>>>>>>>>>>>> works at
>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>> job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as
>>>>>>>>>>>> urgent ones
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate this opportunity. Anybody else seeing a need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees
>>>>>>>>>>>> fit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Milan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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