Accessibility of installing Distros?

Fri Feb 18 21:30:21 UTC 2022

I may be way off on this, but to my ears, the speed is bout the same 
with a yay -S (or Paru or however you install your AUR packages) fenrir 
or fenrir-git though. It's not so much the speed I'm finding a problem, 
it's the voice, but...

I can do 99% of what I want in Ratpoison though, and only really need a 
TTY for logging in though. Once Ratpoison's up and running it's good old 
Orca and espeak-NG in my headphones

Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Using espeak I can do really fast, but synthesizors that try and sound 
> human, sorry, but the deafblind guy in the room simply gets a headache 
> and gets lossed.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent from the Slint console using Alpine
>
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:40:58 +0000
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of installing Distros?
>>
>> Going off of vanilla Arch here but it uses espeakup by default as the 
>> speech synth and method in the accessible boot (which is down arrow 
>> when booting off a stick or CD) and it's easy to understand. I get 
>> it. Some people can do stupidly high speech rates. But not everyone 
>> can. I've left espeakup alone on my box and it works pretty well, I 
>> can adjust it easily and it's easy to understand and follow along 
>> with. Even at top speed it's not insanely fast
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> If you install espeak-ng in extra packages then in the chroot 
>>> environment:
>>> sysctl disable fenrir
>>> then sysctl enable espeak
>>> before rebooting that should at least put an end to fenrir eventually.
>>> The fenrir speech speed is too fast; it can be adjusted downward but I
>>> think never ought to have been set that fast for installation or
>>> post-install use.  Maybe speech-rate=0.5 would be better and at the 
>>> speed
>>> espeak uses by default.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> The issue is that it's already on a desktop, usually Mate.
>>>>
>>>> If I install it again, I'm installing it console only, and then 
>>>> building 
>> it as
>>>> I see fit, which would be with ratpoison only.
>>>>
>>>> Will probably go to Arch directly anyway. Why get something that, 
>>>> firstly
>>>> speaks with a Screen reader I never bothered to learn, since 
>>>> Speakup works
>>>> well enough for my needs, secondly speaks so darn fast no human can 
>> understand
>>>> the thing, especially if, like me you can hardly hear anything anymore 
>> anyway?
>>>>
>>>> I can build my system in vanilla Arch as well as with anything 
>>>> else. I, 
>> for
>>>> example wouldn't install Firefox at all, but probably one of the 
>>>> Chromium
>>>> based browsers plus elinks for when I'm beeing lazy and want to 
>>>> stay on a
>>>> console.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>
>>>> Sent from the Slint console using Alpine
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:41:19 -0500
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of installing Distros?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried running startx to turn orca on?  You may find that 
>>>>> works.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes it would finish the install, then reboot, and come up 
>>>>>> speaking
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Fenrir with a very annoying voice, especially if you, like me is 
>>>>>> legally
>>>>>> deafblind, then after typing your username and password, Fenrir 
>>>>>> would 
>> just
>>>>>> die
>>>>>> and you are stuck, I know it's a desktop environment, but nothing 
>>>>>> turns
>>>>>> orca
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much for an accessible distro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is why I love Slint. It does exactly what "you", tell it to 
>>>>>> do, not
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dev.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No disrespect to Mr. Nash, I'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy, 
>>>>>> not that
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> ever spoken to him though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from the Slint machine using Thunderbird
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022/02/18 17:10, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> Makes at least two of us.  The installer always found itself 
>>>>>>> looping 
>> and
>>>>>>> repeating failed package retrieval.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/17/22 13:12, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>> I could never get Jenux to work correctly on my setup.
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