Google is nuking simple username/password sign ins?

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Fri Mar 4 21:41:51 UTC 2022

Kyle, thanks for all that.  I'll check out the links you provide and go 
through your reply carefully soon.



On 3/4/22 13:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Do you have pointers to information how to do that?  I'm none too sure 
> I know enough, but I'd like to check it out.
> Sure. Aside from my experiences with LineageOS for MicroG
> that I just posted, I have a vps that runs email, and it also has 
> NextCloud running on it. In order to self-host websites and even your 
> NextCloud, you can probably use a home-based server if your connection 
> is good enough, but because email providers have done all they can to 
> keep regular users from being able to host their own email so that 
> they can get all the traffic, back in the day they used to call that 
> traffic pumping, and it was frowned upon, well these days, they call 
> it security and that makes everything OK. In any case, now you need a 
> VPS (virtual private server) in order to send email that won't get 
> marked as spam or outright rejected by most of the big names that will 
> likely hold the email addresses for the recipients of most of your 
> emails. The easiest and least expensive way to get started with that 
> is by using
> which has a completely free forever pricing tier. You can get 200GB of 
> disk space, 1 64-bit single-core AMD virtual machine with 1GB of RAM 
> and as many as 4 Ampere ARM processor cores with 24GB of RAM, all 
> completely free. They also have some database stuff among other things 
> that you can get to go along with that,  but I find the complete 
> virtual server configurations to be the most effective for my hosting 
> needs. Their OS images are limited to primarily Ubuntu LTS and Oracle 
> Linux, which is essentially CentOS (before it was CentOS Stream), so I 
> would wait until Ubuntu 22.04 is released and becomes available, as 
> you probably don't want 20.04 now. This free pricing tier will help 
> most people who just want to host their own stuff, all except mail, 
> which may require paying a small fee to get support to set up the 
> reverse DNS for email hosting. There is nothing else free or even 
> close that will do all of what you can host with Oracle, but many 
> people will want to avoid them as well, and I only mention them 
> because of the price, which truly is unbeatable for all you can get. 
> That said, I currently have my self-hosted email, NextCloud and other 
> websites on a server at SKB Enterprise, hosted in Amsterdam, "one of 
> the biggest internet hubs of the world," because Oracle has not 
> exactly been trustworthy over the years, and also because I just found 
> out about 3 months ago about Oracle Cloud, and actually, they haven't 
> disappointed me yet, with the exception of the reverse DNS (PTR 
> record) that they don't have in the console where I can set it up 
> myself, so email would be a pain to get going without getting caught 
> by most spam detection systems. I have a referral link for SKB 
> Enterprise that you can check out by going to
> The price for a 100GB disk, 2 AMD CPU cores and 4GB of RAM is 6.50 
> euros,or they have a 50GB disk, a single AMD core and 2GB of RAM, 
> suitable for most basic services you may want to self-host, for 3.50 
> euros.
> . I have also used ChunkHost
> which offers 50GB of disk space, a single AMD CPU core and 2GB of RAM, 
> doubled to 4GB if you pay for a full year, for $5/month ($60/year), 
> hosted in Los Angeles, California, which also has fairly good 
> connectivity.
> As for getting email and websites themselves up and running, the best 
> and easiest thing I've found is ISPConfig
> It's just a control panel that you install on your Ubuntu, Debian or 
> CentOS server, and it makes setting up websites and especially email 
> boxes nearly as easy as the proverbial pie. I personally like 
> caddyserver for websites, but it doesn't do for mail what it does for 
> websites, and ISPConfig doesn't support it. But it does support 
> Apache, which is one of the only servers available that supports 
> .htaccess for everything from rewrites to custom error pages written 
> in php to all kinds of other things that are distributed with most 
> open source web applications, so I'm good with that. ISPConfig does 
> require some emulated mouse clicks using Orca, but it really is one of 
> the easiest ways to get things going, and the Perfect Server tutorials 
> on HowtoForge are highly valued as well.
> Well, this is getting rather long, and probably more involved than 
> what you wanted, but that's my basic starter kit, so feel free to ask 
> me any questions.
> ~Kyle
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