tdsr

Fri Oct 7 15:03:07 UTC 2022

Both .bash_profile and .bash_login were tried, adding
~/tdsr/tdsr
and tdsr did not start.
What next?

> On Oct 6, 2022, at 14:40, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, will try that.
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 14:09, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The ./ command is not necessary since the ~/tdsr/tdsr runs the program.
>> 
>> 
>> Ryan Mann
>> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
>> rmann0581 at gmail.com
>> 386-383-5175
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then what about the command
>>> ./tdsr
>>> or does that you suggest take care of the dot slash command?
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 11:15, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Typing ~/tdsr/tdsr gives the direct path to the file.  That way the system knows where tdsr is without you needing to cd to the directory.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ryan Mann
>>>> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
>>>> rmann0581 at gmail.com
>>>> 386-383-5175
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since tdsr is started by using
>>>>> ./tdsr
>>>>> from within
>>>>> /tdsr, how is this done using
>>>>> ~/tdsr/tdsr
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 10:48, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can try it the way you show, or just specify the path to the 'tdsr' executable like '~/tdsr/tdsr' or '/home/xxxxx/tdsr/tdsr' instead of 'cd' to the directory.  Once you create the file, log out and back in to test if the TDSR starts automatically.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/6/2022 9:53 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> And do that using
>>>>>>> nano .bash_login
>>>>>>> and write
>>>>>>> cd tdsr
>>>>>>> ./tdsr
>>>>>>> cd ..
>>>>>>> Is that it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 08:48, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just create the file.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 10/5/2022 5:31 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Using ls .bash_login
>>>>>>>>> and sudo ls .bash_login
>>>>>>>>> I am not finding that file.
>>>>>>>>> I am in the home directory.
>>>>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2022, at 08:37, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If 'bash' is your login shell, try adding the TDSR startup command to .bash_login in your home directory.  That should avoid the problems Tim indicated when a subshell is invoked.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You may have to create that file if it doesn't exist.  It is documented in the 'bash' manual page.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/5/2022 1:17 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Or might it be easier to install espeakup, or install Fenrir?
>>>>>>>>>>> I welcome anyone's ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2022, at 15:31, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe better to keep logging in, go to cd tdsr,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then type
>>>>>>>>>>>> ./tdsr
>>>>>>>>>>>> cd ..
>>>>>>>>>>>> as I already do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you had written is far too advanced for me, but thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2022, at 08:46, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here.  It's a little tricky because, without additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> precautions, you open a shell which launches tdsr, which opens a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shell inside of it, which launches tdsr, which opens a shell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which...you get the idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So there needs to be a way for a shell to determine if it's already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside a running session of tdsr.  This sort of thing is usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done through setting an environment variable.  For example, I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done similarly with "tmux", so I have a check in my startup file
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. my ~/.bashrc) that tests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ -z "$TMUX" ] && tmux
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So first you'd want to see if tdsr sets an environment variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The documentation might detail this, but if not, you can dump the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment to a file before running tdsr, then run tdsr, then dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the environment to another file and compare them, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ env | sort > a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ tdsr
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (tdsr)$ env | sort > b
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (tdsr)$ comm -13 a b
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully this will show a setting something like a "$TDSR" variable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can check.  Then your ~/.bashrc (or whatever your startup
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file is) can end with something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ -z "$TDSR" ] && tdsr
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because this can go unfortunately sideways, I recommend having one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> window/console open, editing your ~/.bashrc and then open a *new*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> window (or log in at another console) to test it.  If all goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right, yay.  If things go sideways, you can quickly flip back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first window/console, remove that line from your ~/.bashrc, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (re)save it.  This saves you a LOT of hassle if you accidentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create a loop like described at the top of this email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-10-04 08:21, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have fedora 35, and while in the shell I use tdsr for screen-reader.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To start it, one must use dot slash tdsr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to have this program start whenever logging in at shell?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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