Konsole progress/any good alternatives?

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Fri Oct 21 08:09:49 UTC 2022 

That surprises me a lot as to how it's set up,the part about the 
boundaries being the biggest one.

I did take a look at the code briefly and got lost about three lines 
in.I get what's going on since you outlined the issues. I'm 
really,really wishing for well commented code however, and not really 
wanting to dig through for tiny tiny things that fix those issues that 
aren't clear


On 10/20/22 18:25, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> i did a little bit of debugging. I identified at least 5 bigger issues 
> here:
>
> 1. the object:text-caret-move events goes defunct  (that's why moving 
> around does not speak)
> 2. the object:text-changed:insert events are not fired (that's why 
> input and output is not spoken)
> 3. the object:text-changed:delete events are not fired (that's why 
> removing text is not spoken)
> 4. the boundary's of the text interface are wrong and show the whole 
> terminal text as  a single word (thats why its hard to catch in review 
> mode)
> 5. attributes like color are currently not provided by the AT 
> implementation of Konsole
>
> the implementation seems to be very central done here:
> https://github.com/KDE/konsole/blob/master/src/widgets/TerminalDisplayAccessible.cpp 
>
>
> well, let me see what i can do.
>
> cheers chrys
>
> Am 20.10.22 um 01:39 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
>> I get nothing with konsole or konsole-git as far as output goes
>>
>>
>> So I'm not sure if it's something specific on your system, but I do 
>> get flooded in a console with this when runnning konsole or konsole-git
>>
>>
>> *qt.accessibility.atspi: WARNING Qt AtSpiAdaptor: Accessible 
>> invalid:  QAccessibleInterface(0x555a6caf1f90 invalid) 
>> "/org/a11y/atspi/accessible/2147483729"*
>>
>>
>> *So how did you solve it and can read it with the review keys, Crys 
>> since all I'm getting is it going directly to the top of the konsole 
>> window with the buttons and so on, an acting as if the whole output 
>> section isn't there. It doesn't matter if I install konsole or 
>> konsole-git, I'm not understanding why it works for you and not me 
>> however.*
>>
>>
>> *So is there something system specific on your end?*
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/22 15:58, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> i do net get any in or output while typing. are you sure that your 
>>> reading of entered commands is not invoked by key or word echo or 
>>> similar?
>>> but playing around with review keys i was able to read the content 
>>> of console.  let me take a look at that later. I m not really sure 
>>> about the terminal implementation of orca. Joanie once say its a lot 
>>> of black magic ^^. maybe it needs to be optimized then to match this 
>>> up.
>>>
>>> cheers chrys
>>>
>>> Am 19.10.22 um 16:23 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
>>>> That's where I got up to with the discussion on the issue, setting 
>>>> the role. I'm not sure if that's done in a recent git commit with 
>>>> Konsole-git however, or even where I'd start looking for the right 
>>>> parts to even start on this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm seeing on my end, both Konsole 22.08 and Konsole-git read my 
>>>> entered commands, like I said but not the output. Where would I 
>>>> read up on what exactly the terminal role does as far as ATK and 
>>>> how it interacts with Orca.
>>>>
>>>> Also, are the input and output areas of Konsole using different 
>>>> settings as far as AT/Orca goes? I'm just trying to figure out why 
>>>> Orca reads one, but not the other even with the incorrect role
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/19/22 15:09, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Konsole does not have a caret (its an text console what is made 
>>>>> for interacting).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah issue here is some bug. I see events and text in accerciser. 
>>>>> Maybe wrong accessibility role or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers chrys
>>>>>
>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 19.10.2022 um 16:03 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion 
>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just took a look through Konsole's keyboard shortcuts. I didn't 
>>>>>> see anything listed for caret browsing, and hitting F7 on my Arch 
>>>>>> box didn't do a thing. It reads what I'm typing in however, not 
>>>>>> the output so something is being picked up by Orca
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/19/22 14:21, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> I think f7 toggles caret browsing and orca has caret browsing 
>>>>>>> off by
>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be 
>>>>>>> used in
>>>>>>> defense of liberty:
>>>>>>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've no clue where to start or the smarts to get anywhere with 
>>>>>>>> it at all, my
>>>>>>>> knowledge of how things interact with Orca starts and ends with 
>>>>>>>> ..is exposed
>>>>>>>> to Orca, past that I've zero clue how to get anything to speak 
>>>>>>>> to/with/via
>>>>>>>> Orca at all. I know what should be happening, sure, but...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/19/22 13:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:Howdy,
>>>>>>>>> just did a quick look into accerciser. seems that the terminal 
>>>>>>>>> content is
>>>>>>>>> already exposed to AT. So there is at least something in 
>>>>>>>>> place. maybe a
>>>>>>>>> focus is missing or similar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cheers chrys
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 19.10.22 um 14:25 schrieb chrys:
>>>>>>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> well you can use any terminal emulator. gnome-terminal, 
>>>>>>>>>> mate-terminal,
>>>>>>>>>> lxterminal (i think those are all based on VTE)
>>>>>>>>>> for Konsole, the issue is tracked here.
>>>>>>>>>> https://phabricator.kde.org/T10099
>>>>>>>>>> currently without huge progress. debugging is required. maybe 
>>>>>>>>>> you wanna
>>>>>>>>>> step in :)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers chrys
>>>>>>>>>> Am 19.10.22 um 12:44 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
>>>>>>>>>>> Just checking to see if there's been any movement on Konsole 
>>>>>>>>>>> yet, or if
>>>>>>>>>>> not what a good alternative would be that works nicely with 
>>>>>>>>>>> KDE? I like
>>>>>>>>>>> lxterminal, but I'm after something with more eatures and 
>>>>>>>>>>> that works
>>>>>>>>>>> nicely with Plasma
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping for Konsole to work with Orca since KDE 5.26.11's 
>>>>>>>>>>> fixed a few
>>>>>>>>>>> nagging issues with the desktop. I've not seen a new version 
>>>>>>>>>>> land in
>>>>>>>>>>> Arch's repos or Konsole at all, any repo and I'm unsure if 
>>>>>>>>>>> Konsole-git has
>>>>>>>>>>> any improvements as far as Orca goes
>>>>>>>>>>>
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