[edk2-devel] [PATCH V5 1/2] OvmfPkg: Introduce Tdx BFV/CFV PCDs and PcdOvmfImageSizeInKb

[Gerd Hoffmann]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 06:17:29AM +0000, Xu, Min M wrote:
> On August 31, 2021 1:13 PM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > > > From a security point of view I don't think it is a good idea to
> > > > hard code any assumptions about the layout of the vars volume.
> > > Do you mean I cannot assume the layout of VarStore?
> > > At least in Ovmf the VarStore.fdf.inc defines the layout of VarStore like
> > below.
> > 
> > What prevents an attacker from creating a varstore with a different layout?
> > Place the variables at the end of the file, which isn't measured (because you
> > assume it is the spare part), then being able to change variables without the
> > guest noticing?
> If the VarStore does not follow the layout defined in VarStore.fdf.inc, do you mean
> the current Variable mechanism still works? From the code of
> InitNonVolatileVariableStore(), the first variable is right after the VarStoreHeader.
> See GetStartPointer().

I didn't fully investigate what kind of attacks one can do.  I'm pretty
sure simply making the variable store larger and the spare smaller
works, so parts of the variable store are outside the area you are
measuring.  Not fully sure whenever one can actually reorder the
sections to move the varstore completely into the unmeasured area.  Or
play out other attacks with the same effect, like bloating some header
struct.

Simply measuring everything (including the spare) will stop all that.
Changes wouldn't go unnoticed, period.  No ifs and buts.  So I'm
wondering why you not doing that?  Performance?  Wouldn't be the first
time a performance optimization pokes a hole into a security concept ...

take care,
  Gerd



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