Log from this weeks (20071121) EPEL SIG Meeting

[Thorsten Leemhuis]

Reminder: Next meeting on 20071205 at 18:00 UTC

00:00:05 <       knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting?
00:00:05              * | knurd likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule 
00:00:05            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process
00:00:58              * | nirik is here. 
00:02:36              * | nirik wonders if it's just us 2. ;( 
00:03:34 <       knurd> | seems so
00:03:36              * | mmcgrath is here
00:03:53              * | rdieter sits on the back with his popcorn.
00:04:09            --> | G_ (Nigel Jones)  has joined #fedora-meeting
00:04:10 <       knurd> | okay, that should be enough :)
00:04:18            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove testing stable move for EL4? -- nirik
00:04:21 <       knurd> | nirik, ?
00:04:47 <       nirik> | I pulled a local mirror of the epel4 stuff, but I haven't tested yet...
00:04:54 <       nirik> | sorry for delaying. ;(
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00:05:14 <       knurd> | nirik, any ETA?
00:05:22 <       knurd> | nirik, do you need help?
00:05:42 <       nirik> | sure, if you would like to help that would be great... I can try and work on it some tomorrow...
00:06:02 <       nirik> | basically we need to mv everything to a test version of stable repo and repoclosure against it...
00:06:07 <       nirik> | and then mass move.
00:06:29 <       knurd> | nirik, okay; let's talk on sunday; if you didn#t find time for it until then I'll try to find a bit time for it
00:06:35 <       knurd> | does that sound like a plan?
00:06:47 <       nirik> | ok, sounds good.
00:06:55 <       nirik> | and we can try and target for real monday for the push?
00:07:15 <       knurd> | btw, I wondered if we normally should send a mail to the maintainer of hte effected packages?
00:07:32 <       knurd> | then they get a chance to say "don#t push foo, because it has searious bugs"
00:08:07 <       nirik> | perhaps a list of what would be pushed on the list and then a day or two for someone to say they don't want to push?
00:08:15 <       knurd> | yeah, maybe
00:08:16 <       nirik> | I guess we could spam people too tho...
00:08:23              * | quaid is here now
00:08:26 <       knurd> | we should work that out over the next few weeks
00:08:42 <       knurd> | I suppose we can do this EPEL4 move like the last epel5 one
00:08:45 <       knurd> | and see how it works out
00:08:54 <       nirik> | yeah.
00:09:00 <       nirik> | morning quaid
00:09:12 <       quaid> | nirik: morning
00:09:12 <       knurd> | hi quaid 
00:09:22 <       knurd> | k, moving on
00:09:24            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/RhelMetaData -- stahnma
00:09:27 <       knurd> | not around
00:09:29 <       knurd> | skip?
00:09:39 <       nirik> | yeah, move on.
00:09:43 <    mmcgrath> | we should drop an email, I think he was gone last week too.
00:10:06 <       quaid> | what is the plan with that one?
00:10:10 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, he said he could not be join us today due to thanksgiving
00:10:23 <       knurd> | quaid, we still need to work out what people want
00:10:25 <    mmcgrath> | <nod>
00:10:49              * | knurd moves on
00:11:01            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc -- RHEL 5.1 (and 4.6) for the builders?
00:11:07 <       knurd> | so when do we do that?
00:11:13 <       knurd> | once centos 5.1 is out?
00:11:16 <       nirik> | well, I say we wait until centos at least
00:11:29 <       knurd> | any more wait time needed?
00:11:42 <       nirik> | I don't think so personally...
00:11:49              * | mmcgrath doesn't either.
00:11:52 <       knurd> | do we need a "cp -al 5 5.0; sleep 1week; rm -rf 5.0"?
00:11:58 <       knurd> | i don't thinks so
00:11:58 <       nirik> | who can do that tho? do we need to ping dgilmore ? or mmcgrath can you do it?
00:12:24 <       knurd> | s/thinks/think/
00:12:41 <       knurd> | nirik, dgilmore or mmcgrath can do it afaik
00:12:49 <    dgilmore> | nirik: probably I
00:13:22 <       knurd> | dgilmore, is it much work? do you have a source for the binaries or do we need to ponke someone to get them?
00:13:47 <       knurd> | poke
00:13:54 <    dgilmore> | knurd: i need to grabd the dvd isos from rhn
00:13:56              * | knurd should leave the keyboard -- so many typos today
00:14:23 <       nirik> | I don't think it's worth waiting past when centos releases... anytime after that we should be able to switch builders and then make the 5.1 link
00:14:28 <       knurd> | dgilmore, k, but that doable without to much trouble, isn't it?
00:14:39 <       knurd> | nirik, +1
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00:14:51 <    dgilmore> | knurd: much easier now that they released dvd isos
00:14:58              * | knurd wonders if we actually need that link
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00:15:04 <       knurd> | dgilmore, k
00:15:29 <       nirik> | doesn't the epel-release look for X.Y ? ie, 5.0 now? or is it just 5?
00:15:44 <       knurd> | nirik, I think it's 5Client and 5Server
00:15:49 <       knurd> | at least on RHEL
00:15:55              * | nirik fires up a centos5 virtual
00:15:56 <       knurd> | not sure what it is on CentOs
00:16:22 <       knurd> | dgilmore, I suppose it will take one or two weeks until centos 5.1 will be released
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00:16:35 <       knurd> | do you have time for the switch after that?
00:16:50 <       knurd> | or could you prepare the switch on the builders already?
00:17:06 <    dgilmore> | knurd: ill try get it done early next week
00:17:14 <       nirik> | thanks dgilmore
00:17:19 <       knurd> | dgilmore, k, many thx; 
00:17:32 <       knurd> | anything else regarding this topic?
00:17:55            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL
00:18:04 <       knurd> | anything else we should discuss?
00:18:13 <       knurd> | are we happy with the state of EPEL?
00:18:23 <       nirik> | FYI, I _still_ don't have my clamav rpm ready, but again I hope to work on it this weekend/holiday
00:18:43              * | mmcgrath is so far.  
00:18:54 <    mmcgrath> | we've been using it in Fedora since before it was official :)  its been great.
00:18:58 <       nirik> | yeah, I think so... lots of nice new branches in the last weeks... all the bugzilla perl rpms...
00:19:05 <       knurd> | yeah
00:19:15 <       nirik> | I also branched a bunch of things related to claws-mail and such for their maintainer...
00:19:31 <       knurd> | I'd had hoped more people would become active with EPEL administrativa
00:19:38 <       knurd> | e.g. more people in the meetings
00:19:47 <       nirik> | yeah... agreed.
00:19:54 <       knurd> | but well, we can#t force people
00:20:05 <       knurd> | I suppose more people will yell if they don#t like what we are doing
00:20:17 <       nirik> | I have been thinking about mentioning epel when doing fedora cvs for packages... asking if they considered an epel branch...
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00:21:00 <       quaid> | I've got a question/topic
00:21:01 <       knurd> | nirik, I was thinking about looking up the most intersing packages which are still not in epel and ask the maintainers to build them for epel
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00:21:14 <       knurd> | maybe then new contributers join us
00:21:16 <       knurd> | quaid, shoot
00:21:19 <       nirik> | knurd: good plan... and/or the 'wishlist' packages.
00:21:31 <       quaid> | I don't mind remaining involved, but I'm feeling a bit like dead wood :) ... my skillz were most at use early on in putting people and processes together
00:21:34 <       knurd> | nirik, +1
00:21:45 <       quaid> | so, what I was wondering is if there is a need to refresh my eat
00:21:48 <       quaid> | heh
00:21:50 <       quaid> | s/eat/seat/
00:21:55 <       quaid> | with someone new?
00:22:16 <       nirik> | well, we don't have many people at all interested it seems like right now...
00:22:20 <       quaid> | anyone clammering to attend meetings? :D
00:22:32 <       knurd> | quaid, nirik has a really good point
00:22:38 <       quaid> | nirik: I don't mind keeping the body count up and keeping an eye on things
00:22:44 <       quaid> | just don't want to be in the way of someone else
00:22:46 <       nirik> | if you are interested in stepping down, perhaps you could work on firing up more interested people to attend meetings first. ;)
00:22:51 <       quaid> | heh
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00:23:05 <       quaid> | well, maybe I need to turn my focus to recruiting
00:23:26 <       quaid> | i.e., maybe my work here isn;t done :)
00:23:28              * | nirik was hoping we would see more corp folks new to fedora/epel show up... 
00:23:46 <       quaid> | we need ISVs and end-users, now that Fedora packagers are involved
00:23:51 <       quaid> | nirik: +1
00:23:58 <       knurd> | quaid, we can just tell everyone that there is a open seat
00:24:05 <       knurd> | maybe new poeple come up
00:24:20 <       knurd> | and if not, we just go ahead with six people, until someone joins us
00:24:46 <       nirik> | at this point things are rolling along, and I don't know that there will need to be too many radical decisions... would be nice to get more people interested in helping with the repos, etc tho.
00:24:47 <       knurd> | quaid, but maybe you can ask yourself on the list if there is someone interested in taking over your seat
00:24:59 <       quaid> | knurd: let's first see if there is any excess energy in F Marketing and such to work up a campaign of interest around EPEL
00:25:06 <       quaid> | knurd: sure
00:25:39 <       knurd> | quaid, sounds good
00:26:00 <       knurd> | quaid, I hopse we can still bug you if we need a RH contact for EPEL releated stuff
00:26:29 <       knurd> | mmcgrath is there, but two insiders are better than one
00:26:50 <       quaid> | knurd: well, like I said, it was a topic of discussion v. a decision from me; I'm certainly busy but un-interested :)
00:27:16 <       quaid> | knurd: also, it sounds like there are some things I intended to see happen that haven't, so that's worth doing
00:27:23 <       quaid> | but I could do that as a SIG member, too
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00:27:39 <       quaid> | so I'll make sure there isn't anyone else who wants a seat here, and I'll remain wherever to work on that
00:27:59 <       nirik> | greetings wolfy. Here for the epel meeting? any topics to discuss?
00:28:15 <    mmcgrath> | :)
00:28:16 <       knurd> | quaid, its your decision; feel free to do whatever you think is best 
00:28:17 <       wolfy> | epel meeting, yes. unfortunately work sucks, I couldn;t make it earlier :(
00:28:19 <       knurd> | hi wolfy 
00:29:12 <       knurd> | so, anything else?
00:29:29 <       knurd> | or should we close the meeting for today and meet again in two weeks from now?
00:29:52 <    mmcgrath> | 2 weeks works for me.
00:30:06 <       nirik> | sounds ok to me.
00:30:48              * | knurd will close the meeting in 30
00:31:26              * | knurd will close the meeting in 10
00:31:56 <       knurd> | -- MARK -- Meeting end