IRC Log 2008-05-21

[Stephen John Smoogen]

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 21 06:55:44 2008

May 21 10:00:00 >#fedora-devel<	Meeting ping: Jeff_S, knurd, mmcgrath,
nirik, smooge, stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL
meeting in #fedora-meeting now!
May 21 10:01:30 <stahnma>	am I on time?
May 21 10:01:54 <stahnma>	!date -u
May 21 10:02:06 *	nirik is here for the epel meeting.
May 21 10:02:06 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
Meeting rules at
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines --
Init process
May 21 10:02:18 <stahnma>	woohoo
May 21 10:02:20 <smooge>	Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting?
May 21 10:02:22 *	stahnma makes a meeting
May 21 10:02:33 *	smooge likes to remind everyone that the schedule
for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule
May 21 10:02:47 <smooge>	if I had caught up with those tasks...
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May 21 10:05:03 <smooge>	ok for the record I am behind on reports
May 21 10:05:23 <smooge>	and I am unplugging my phone because people
keep calling when my calender says I am busy..
May 21 10:05:48 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
Old Business -- EL pushes
May 21 10:06:19 <quaid>	sorry, just finished a phone call
May 21 10:06:21 <smooge>	knurd has been pushing out EPEL on schedule..
so I think we are doing well with getting stuff out into testing and
into production
May 21 10:06:25 <nirik>	going pretty well as far as I can see... I
would remind people that if you build a security fix, please let the
pushers know about it so it can get pushed to stable.
May 21 10:06:56 <stahnma>	I think I got most of the ruby packages in
rawhide into F9
May 21 10:06:59 <smooge>	I agree.. I think this is something easier
with bodhi...
May 21 10:07:11 <smooge>	so we will have rails soon?
May 21 10:07:53 <nirik>	yeah, with bodhi it's easy to mark security updates...
May 21 10:08:04 <smooge>	I hope we will ahve asterisk soon since its
last 'failing' is being dropped from the spec
May 21 10:08:18 <stahnma>	smooge: rails is in testing
May 21 10:08:58 <smooge>	cool. I have a 'client' who wants rails on EL boxes..
May 21 10:09:30 <smooge>	stahnma, anything we can help with for
further ruby testing?
May 21 10:09:32 *	nirik is going to try and work on finishing up Xfce
testing this week and get in in epel5 soon too.
May 21 10:09:42 <stahnma>	smooge: just run some apps with it
May 21 10:09:57 <stahnma>	There were almost 0 tweaks from rawhide to
epel, so that's good
May 21 10:10:26 <smooge>	nirik, ok thats sounds like a good plan. I
want to test Xfce soon.. though I am going to be reformatting the
laptop for travel to F9 for encryption...
May 21 10:10:45 <smooge>	then back to EL-5 when I get back from travel
May 21 10:11:01 *	SmootherFrOgZ (n=Smoother at fedora/SmootherFrOgZ) has
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May 21 10:11:04 <nirik>	smooge: cool. I should have Xfce in soonly...
it's of course already in fedora. ;)
May 21 10:11:18 <smooge>	anyway.. I think that brings us to the next
topic: bodhi
May 21 10:11:21 *	SmootherFrOgZ is back
May 21 10:11:34 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
Old Business -- Build system
May 21 10:11:44 <smooge>	hey! SmootherFrOgZ
May 21 10:11:48 <smooge>	glad you could make it
May 21 10:12:11 <smooge>	ok does anyone know what the status of koji
patches for EL-4/5 builds?
May 21 10:12:31 <SmootherFrOgZ>	someone works on ?
May 21 10:12:33 *	nirik sadly doesn't know of any progress there.
May 21 10:12:45 <smooge>	did we get an intern on it? do we want to see
if a Fudcon hackathon to beat it into submission?
May 21 10:12:52 <smooge>	quaid, ?
May 21 10:14:15 <nirik>	I would like to see a general epel hack
session at fudcon. We could try and get that done or at least
progressing as part of it.
May 21 10:14:16 <quaid>	hrm, sry
May 21 10:14:28 *	nirik wonders who all is going to be at fudcon?
May 21 10:14:35 <smooge>	ok I would like to do a hack session also.
May 21 10:14:44 <quaid>	I don't know that we have an intern for that
May 21 10:14:47 <quaid>	but hackfest is good
May 21 10:14:47 <SmootherFrOgZ>	nirik, i'll be there
May 21 10:14:53 *	quaid will be there
May 21 10:15:00 <quaid>	SmootherFrOgZ: excellent
May 21 10:15:01 <smooge>	I will be there also...
May 21 10:15:13 <smooge>	well 90% assured I will be there.
May 21 10:15:17 <SmootherFrOgZ>	We could take time to have a talk
about at fudcon too
May 21 10:15:18 <smooge>	I will know tomorrow
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May 21 10:15:35 <quaid>	this will be a bit of a bigger thing for EPEL,
actually, this time
May 21 10:15:39 <quaid>	last year was the launch of EPEL
May 21 10:15:42 <smooge>	SmootherFrOgZ, I have it on the schedule in
new business
May 21 10:15:48 <SmootherFrOgZ>	nice
May 21 10:16:00 <quaid>	this year we have talks, many leaders there,
interest from ISVs and RHX (rhx.redhat.com) to sort out, etc.
May 21 10:16:13 <nirik>	yeah, and with redhat summit we might get
folks coming over from that to see whats what.
May 21 10:16:17 <quaid>	+1
May 21 10:16:27 <smooge>	any other old business? packages that ened a kick?
May 21 10:16:34 <quaid>	I'm pushing where I can to get that
advertized, since it is an important crossover piece
May 21 10:16:48 <quaid>	all else fails, we walk around and talk to
people in their little ISV booths :)
May 21 10:16:51 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
New Business -- RH Summit + Fudcon
May 21 10:17:00 <nirik>	smooge: I would like to see us get rid of the
broken deps in epel4 testing... some have been there a long time.
May 21 10:17:02 <smooge>	ok sorry I am slower than the conversation :)
May 21 10:17:18 *	nirik is slower still. ;)
May 21 10:17:23 <quaid>	sorry, I didn't mean to force change topics :)
May 21 10:17:46 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
Old Business -- Broken Deps
May 21 10:17:55 <smooge>	lets do the broken deps and then onto summit
May 21 10:17:59 <quaid>	k
May 21 10:18:04 <SmootherFrOgZ>	hm, there is also a package that need
to be branched into epel, specificaly for EL-4
May 21 10:18:13 <smooge>	how many do we have currently?
May 21 10:18:33 *	stahnma is back.
May 21 10:18:39 <stahnma>	I will be there too ^^ FUDcon
May 21 10:18:45 <nirik>	well, something is still wacky with the deps scripts.
May 21 10:18:58 <nirik>	Hopefully I can get with dgilmore or mmcgrath
and see if we can track it down.
May 21 10:19:12 <nirik>	but the epel4-testing broken deps, many have
been around for a long time...
May 21 10:19:26 <nirik>	should we just remove those packages from the
repo? or prod maintainers again?
May 21 10:19:54
<nirik>	http://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2008-May/msg00041.html
May 21 10:19:57 <stahnma>	nirik: I would like to help fix that stuff too
May 21 10:20:10 <stahnma>	I need an excuse to get an infrastructure
account anyway
May 21 10:20:33 <stahnma>	I would say lets prod maintainers one more time
May 21 10:20:36 <nirik>	I guess there is some epel5-testing ones that
have been around for a while too.
May 21 10:20:45 <stahnma>	and if a week goes by with no action, then
we pull them
May 21 10:20:55 <smooge>	I need to get my infrastructure account dealt
with too..
May 21 10:20:57 <stahnma>	I am less concerned about testing and stable..
May 21 10:20:57 <nirik>	ok, sounds good. I will be happy to help track
down/fix too.
May 21 10:21:18 <nirik>	well, the ones listed in that report for
stable are mostly bogus.
May 21 10:21:22 <smooge>	stahnma, +1 on the week report and pull
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May 21 10:21:45 <nirik>	yeah, +1 from me to prod and pull... they have
lingered for a long time with no action.
May 21 10:21:51 <smooge>	If we need to get a 'devel' tree to allow for
such broken ones to stick in.. thats a later conversation
May 21 10:22:06 <nirik>	stahnma: can you prod maintainers? many of
them have bugs filed... but direct email might work better.
May 21 10:22:17 <SmootherFrOgZ>	+&
May 21 10:22:19 <SmootherFrOgZ>	1
May 21 10:22:28 <stahnma>	nirik: I can.  I can hit you up later for
the exact info if I can't track it down
May 21 10:22:38 <nirik>	stahnma: sure, happy to help.
May 21 10:22:56 <stahnma>	ok, moving on?
May 21 10:23:05 <smooge>	Ok lets put a schedule. we announce after the
meeting and we pull on June 4th
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May 21 10:23:39 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
New Business -- RH Summit + Fudcon
May 21 10:23:43 <smooge>	Ok now back to quaid
May 21 10:24:08 *	stahnma really needs to start finalizing material :)
May 21 10:24:28 <smooge>	stahnma, your talk is at RH summit or
Fudcon.. I lost track sorry
May 21 10:24:33 <stahnma>	luckily I have to give a similar
presentation next week, so I will have mine pretty stable by then
May 21 10:24:36 <stahnma>	smooge: RH summit
May 21 10:24:39 <stahnma>	it's about Updates
May 21 10:24:43 <stahnma>	for EL
May 21 10:24:46 <stahnma>	and managing them all
May 21 10:24:47 <smooge>	cool. anything we can do to help
May 21 10:25:09 <stahnma>	My talk will be mostly high-level process oriented
May 21 10:25:26 *	mmcgrath is here, sorry guys
May 21 10:25:33 <stahnma>	I had planned on using RHN/Satellite during
hte talk, but then my talk was moved to the open source track
May 21 10:25:44 *	smooge gives mmcgrath a wet noodle
May 21 10:25:53 <stahnma>	so I will talk a bit about the concepts of
updates and applying them in large-scale environments
May 21 10:26:03 <stahnma>	and probably sell EPEL in there a few times
May 21 10:26:10 <stahnma>	as, we use it heavily
May 21 10:26:12 <smooge>	cool
May 21 10:26:28 <nirik>	mmcgrath: if you have some time sometime this
week, could I get your assistance to try and track down the wonkyness
with the epel broken deps script? or get access to look at the repos
so I can try and figure it out? :)
May 21 10:26:41 <mmcgrath>	nirik: yeah I'll get you access.
May 21 10:26:47 <nirik>	mmcgrath: thanks.
May 21 10:27:09 <SmootherFrOgZ>	i'm available for help nirik
May 21 10:27:11 <nirik>	stahnma: sounds good... and since it's in the
open source track we can all come and heckle you. ;)
May 21 10:27:32 <nirik>	SmootherFrOgZ: cool. Discuss after meeting?
May 21 10:27:38 <smooge>	stahnma, that sounds great. Getting how you
manage large scale environments is one of the things my boss has given
me as homework for letting me to go
May 21 10:27:40 <SmootherFrOgZ>	nirik, sure ;)
May 21 10:28:11 <smooge>	I am supposed to ramp up an
'open-source-isp-like environmnet' by end of summer
May 21 10:28:50 <smooge>	Anyway.. quaid you around still?
May 21 10:29:09 <quaid>	I am back
May 21 10:29:23 <smooge>	What items would you like see done at FUDcon?
May 21 10:29:41 <quaid>	OK ...
May 21 10:30:13 <quaid>	* Meet with any ISVs that show up and talk
with them about what "concerns" they have, etc. ... some of it is
putting a human face on Fedora EPEL
May 21 10:30:27 <stahnma>	quaid: I completely agree
May 21 10:30:34 <stahnma>	maybe we should get business cards
May 21 10:30:44 <quaid>	tweak the Ambassadors cards?
May 21 10:30:48 <stahnma>	perhaps
May 21 10:31:08 <quaid>	in terms of contributors
May 21 10:31:27 <quaid>	that would be the other part, what do we need
to encourage?  how can we use the gathering of Fedorans to improve
EPEL?
May 21 10:31:36 *	stahnma needs to leave
May 21 10:31:43 <smooge>	ok thanks stahnma
May 21 10:31:48 <nirik>	thanks stahnma
May 21 10:31:50 <stahnma>	quaid: I can speak with you later about some ideas
May 21 10:31:51 <stahnma>	thanks
May 21 10:31:57 <quaid>	ok
May 21 10:32:07 <nirik>	I think we should look at getting our announce
list setup before then... tell people to subscribe to that?
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May 21 10:32:38 <SmootherFrOgZ>	+1
May 21 10:32:48 <smooge>	quaid, one of the big issues that I know is
that people want a lot but some of those items do not fit into Fedora
packaging or other schemes
May 21 10:33:05 <smooge>	ok +1 on announce list
May 21 10:33:19 <smooge>	mmcgrath, is the fedora mailman available for that
May 21 10:34:07 <quaid>	smooge: we could look at how to market Fedora
packaging as being worth the effort for people who wouldn't otherwise
want to do it ?
May 21 10:34:19 <mmcgrath>	smooge: yeah, you just want to announce it?
May 21 10:34:49 <nirik>	also, if we could, might be good to setup some
mentor thing... ie, get a mentor who knows the ropes to try and help
you with packaging your thing in a sane way for epel.
May 21 10:34:56 <smooge>	mmcgrath, announce fedora mailman or announce
epel-announce (and any other lists)?
May 21 10:35:48 <nirik>	a epel-announce-list for possibly announcing
new packages, announcing things like incompatible updates, etc... for
end users.
May 21 10:36:04 <mmcgrath>	smooge: if you just want to send out an
announcement use fedora-announce if you want to create an
epel-announce list I'd leave it at the @redhat.com list (I can get
that setup for you) until we figure out how the non fedorahosted lists
are going to be.
May 21 10:36:23 <smooge>	quaid, the issue that I saw was that a lot of
ISV things usually bring in their own 'stack' of open source stuff
because it conflicts with existing EL-5/EPEL packages. (the whole
using /opt for one ISV wanting to get included in epel)
May 21 10:37:06 <smooge>	mmcgrath, nirik, the wish is to create an
epel-announce at xxxxx email list where we can announce new/old packages
and rebuilds and such?
May 21 10:37:48 <mmcgrath>	smooge: I'm fine eith that or leaving it where it is.
May 21 10:37:55 <nirik>	well, yeah... but even more low traffic... not
all updates/pushes... but things when end users need to know
something...
May 21 10:38:12 <SmootherFrOgZ>	+1 for mmcgrath
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May 21 10:38:38 <nirik>	perhaps we should discuss further on list the
exact needs/scope?
May 21 10:38:54 <smooge>	ok lets discuss on list and get it nailed down.
May 21 10:39:12 <quaid>	smooge: right, and if we want ISVs as
contributors, and I reckon we do, we need to find ways to teach them
why that is a bad way :)
May 21 10:39:21 <quaid>	ah, one other item ...
May 21 10:39:45 <quaid>	* ISV relationship discussion with EPEL and
RHT's ISV partner managers
May 21 10:39:45 <nirik>	quaid: yeah, a mentor type thing (if we can
find people with time to mentor) would help there too.
May 21 10:39:53 <smooge>	quaid, well if their apps don't work without
perl-5.8 or ruby-999999 its a bit hard :) but thats another discussion
May 21 10:39:55 <quaid>	that would be a Thursday hackfest/discussion topic
May 21 10:40:22 <quaid>	nirik: right, and some training for the
mentors in the differences in relating to ISVs as opposed to the rest
of the known universe
May 21 10:40:33 <nirik>	yep.
May 21 10:41:34 <smooge>	+1 Thursday discussion on ISV interaction ,
+1 on mentor training for packaging for enterprise
May 21 10:42:01 <quaid>	ok, I'll continue on trying to setup that
meeting; that will mean spending part of Wednesday walking around
talking with the ISVs
May 21 10:42:01 <SmootherFrOgZ>	+1 for both
May 21 10:42:35 <quaid>	if stahnma is there then (iirc he is), we
could partner on that discussion, maybe grab Spot or someone else to
talk about why the packaging methodology is great, etc.
May 21 10:42:54 <quaid>	that discussion == walking around the exhibit
hall inviting people to meet with us on Thursday, etc.
May 21 10:43:05 <quaid>	plus I'll work on it in advance
May 21 10:45:10 <smooge>	ok I have not set up my travel yet. If RH
doesnt mind me being there on the 18th I could come in on the 17th and
leave the 22nd. that would let me be there on the 18th for you
May 21 10:45:13 <SmootherFrOgZ>	+1, i'll be part of the exhibiter at
RH summit (including my employer)
May 21 10:45:28 *	nirik gets in wed afternoon.
May 21 10:46:00 <smooge>	otehrwise I will be there on the afternoon/evening 18th
May 21 10:46:18 <smooge>	and able to do stuff on the 19th
May 21 10:46:49 <quaid>	smooge: +1 to that, that's what I'd prefer,
feel free to pass that along to the RH handlers :)
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May 21 10:47:34 <smooge>	ok 3 items left. I will be on travel from
2008-06-03 to 2008-06-11. I need someone to run the meeting on the 4th
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May 21 10:47:55 *	nirik should be around... happy to run the meeting.
May 21 10:48:07 <SmootherFrOgZ>	same
May 21 10:48:08 <smooge>	And maybe the one on the 18th :) but I think
we will try to do that online
May 21 10:48:17 <smooge>	or in person.. or somesuch\
May 21 10:48:31 <SmootherFrOgZ>	hm...in person could be nice :)
May 21 10:48:33 <smooge>	actually lets move the 18th meeting to the
19th so we can meet
May 21 10:48:51 <nirik>	+1 for in person meeting on 19th.
May 21 10:49:12 <smooge>	ok lets work out the details in email then
May 21 10:49:43 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
New Business -- SIG/Project/Elections
May 21 10:50:27 <smooge>	Ok the next to last topic is getting the
governance of this unit down. THere is an EPEL SIG, an EPEL project
and probably an EPEL zoo
May 21 10:51:01 <quaid>	well, there is the whole new viewpoint of SIGs
and subprojects to throw in there
May 21 10:51:11 <quaid>	spoleeba: you around to help here?
May 21 10:51:26 <quaid>	spoleeba: I like ctyler's matrix bands idea, btw
May 21 10:51:27 <smooge>	are we 2 different groups with the same
governance ;) or just one and what is the connection (ok I realized
this from reading other Jeff
May 21 10:51:31 <smooge>	s blog)
May 21 10:51:44 <nirik>	well, also part of the confusion I think is
due to 'extras' merging with 'core', and epel is kinda like extras was
before the merge... but we haven't merged anywher.e
May 21 10:51:48 <quaid>	I think EPEL is a SIG in that definition
May 21 10:52:05 <quaid>	with people who are embedded in the other
subprojects that EPEL requires to survive -- infra, websites,
marketing, docs, etc.
May 21 10:52:26 <quaid>	that definition == Spaleta-san's
May 21 10:52:40 <smooge>	ok that sounds like what I was thinking also.
May 21 10:52:57 *	nirik isn't sure, and isn't sure it matters too
much. Call us what you like as long as we can get the things done we
need to do.
May 21 10:53:02 <spoleeba>	quaid, what huh?
May 21 10:53:12 <quaid>	spoleeba: is EPEL a SIG? or a subproject?
May 21 10:53:30 <spoleeba>	quaid, in my new world order its a subproject
May 21 10:53:39 <spoleeba>	quaid, like Fedora packaging is a subproject
May 21 10:54:01 <smooge>	nirik, my main issue with it is whether we
need to have regular elections, what our board structure should be etc
so that we aren't seen as not even a meritocracy but an old boys club
May 21 10:54:24 <smooge>	SIG's seem to need regular elections.. Projects no.
May 21 10:54:28 <nirik>	well, if we are a SIG, sigs don't do elections.
May 21 10:54:37 <smooge>	or I could be completely wrong
May 21 10:54:43 <nirik>	everyone interested joins in and splits up the
work the way they like.
May 21 10:54:58 <spoleeba>	smooge, i dont think there are any rules
concerning..governance
May 21 10:55:02 <quaid>	spoleeba: SIGs -- elections or no?
May 21 10:55:05 <quaid>	right
May 21 10:55:19 <quaid>	a SIG could choose to do elections or not, right?
May 21 10:55:21 <SmootherFrOgZ>	SIGs souhldn't
May 21 10:55:35 <spoleeba>	quaid, i dont think enough groups have
bought in to the new world order..to really know what best practices
in terms of governance should be
May 21 10:55:48 <smooge>	ok... I must have been reading some out of
date docs or unapproved stuff or just been snortin the fairy dust
again :/.
May 21 10:56:05 *	nirik always thought SIGS == loose assocation around
a common area, and project == elections, more formal setup.
May 21 10:56:15 <spoleeba>	quaid, a SIG could choose to throw
darts...or even yarts
May 21 10:56:17 <nirik>	but hey, like I said, I don't much care as
long as we can do our work.
May 21 10:56:24 <quaid>	spoleeba: not sure I agree that EPEL ==
Packaging; I think instead we are relying entirely upon Packaging and
built on top of that, to many degrees
May 21 10:56:28 <smooge>	which is ok.. since I just want to make sure
we aren't missing the obvious rules where Jun 1st we should have
re-elected everyone.
May 21 10:56:39 <spoleeba>	quaid, shrug
May 21 10:57:01 <spoleeba>	quaid, EPEL crosses a lot of easily defined
topical software boundaries
May 21 10:57:07 <spoleeba>	quaid, i wouldnt make it a SIG
May 21 10:57:39 <spoleeba>	quaid, id find a way to get EPEL role into
SIGs that have software which is useful to EPEL users
May 21 10:57:51 <quaid>	ok
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May 21 10:58:23 <spoleeba>	quaid, i refuse to have a world view that
is cookie-cutter
May 21 10:58:45 <quaid>	smooge: so this doesn't help much, but at
least we know more of what we don't know
May 21 10:58:52 <quaid>	smooge: I'd say, take elections discussion to
the list :)
May 21 10:59:15 <quaid>	spoleeba: but star shapes!  and pagan holiday
trees!  and snowdudes!
May 21 10:59:17 <smooge>	ok ok I think we will put that down that we
are currently a SIG so we don't do elections, but we are open to
discussing it further with new definitions
May 21 10:59:39 <smooge>	and move the discussion to the list
May 21 11:00:00 <smooge>	and the last thing on the list
May 21 11:00:13 *	smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting --
New Business -- New Wiki/New Documents
May 21 11:00:21 <spoleeba>	smooge, do you have a clear idea of the
number of contributors to EPEL at the moment?
May 21 11:00:37 <quaid>	spoleeba: as a note, it was the Board what set
the definition of a project, and that it must have an elected
governance, and this is why it matters in the current moment, right?
... so, this is why I ask now of what we are considering, so we can
send the right signals and help people with getting ahead
May 21 11:00:39 <smooge>	spoleeba, no.
May 21 11:00:49 <quaid>	new wiki!
May 21 11:01:05 <nirik>	so do we have someone tending the new wiki epel pages?
May 21 11:01:07 <quaid>	good point, has anyone here looked at the new
instance to see if our stuff transferred over well?
May 21 11:01:17 <quaid>	new instance, to be clear,
May 21 11:01:19 <spoleeba>	quaid, we actually have a definition of
what a project means?
May 21 11:01:25 <SmootherFrOgZ>	smooge, we have a sort of contributors list
May 21 11:01:28 <quaid>	is a test instance to test how the ransfer script worked
May 21 11:01:30 <quaid>	spoleeba: yep
May 21 11:02:03 <quaid>	not that the wiki is loading for me to point
you at it, but it's there
May 21 11:02:10 <spoleeba>	quaid, shrug... governance mandates are
just not that important to me..so i havent even thought about it
May 21 11:02:12 <smooge>	I have looked at the new pages and they need
some love and care.. but most of it is stuff we need to take care of
in the current wiki.. after that its uhm how do you make it look
pretty
May 21 11:02:25 *	fabian_a (n=fab at 84-75-175-46.dclient.hispeed.ch) has
joined #fedora-meeting
May 21 11:02:43 <smooge>	quaid, search for it in the new wiki.. its faster :)
May 21 11:03:22 <smooge>	my major goal for the fudcon is to work on
each page and get them all edited to what is going on with our current
structure
May 21 11:03:25 <SmootherFrOgZ>	spoleeba,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/ContributorStatusYes
May 21 11:03:56 <quaid>	spoleeba: it's going to be part of the
successful buy-in for the SIG/Subproj model, I reckon, so worth
considering or at least addressing in terms of when in the process it
should be considered.
May 21 11:04:19 <nirik>	smooge: cool. You might revamp them more like
the top fedora join page... ie, join as a user, package maintainer,
ISV, etc...
May 21 11:04:25 <smooge>	SmootherFrOgZ, thanks.. my no was more on
that I do not know who the number of 'active' number out that list.
May 21 11:04:32 <smooge>	nirik, that is my idea
May 21 11:05:01 <smooge>	but I had not mentioned it yet.. so you get credit ;)
May 21 11:05:29 *	smooge has had 8 cups of coffee since 0100 and is
getting a bit bouncy
May 21 11:05:39 <smooge>	ok I think we are running into the next meeting
May 21 11:06:10 *	nirik needs to go get more coffe soon. ;)
May 21 11:06:31 <spoleeba>	quaid, governance really comes down to
dispute resolution
May 21 11:07:23 <quaid>	no it doesn't!
May 21 11:07:30 <quaid>	sorry, couldn't resist
May 21 11:07:35 <quaid>	+1 to </meeting> btw :)
May 21 11:07:44 <smooge>	ok /meeting in 5
May 21 11:07:47 <smooge>	...
May 21 11:07:48 <smooge>	4
May 21 11:07:50 <smooge>	...
May 21 11:07:52 <smooge>	3
May 21 11:07:53 <smooge>	...
May 21 11:07:55 <smooge>	2
May 21 11:07:57 <smooge>	....
May 21 11:07:58 <smooge>	1
May 21 11:08:00 <smooge>	.......
May 21 11:08:15 *	smooge has changed the topic to: Channel is used by
various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note
that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora
please ask in #fedora | See
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for
meeting schedule
May 21 11:08:17 *	quaid collapses in suspense
May 21 11:08:24 <spoleeba>	quaid, as long as a SIG or subproject can
articulate there plan for dispute resolution when consensous cant be
reached..and can commit to using that process through a release cycle
timeframe before ditching it for something else...im cool
May 21 11:08:50 *	quaid nods
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 21 11:25:32 2008


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"