[fab] Re: openmotif

[Patrice Dumas]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:41:05AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 08:56 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> > > > 1. Lesstif is approved.
> BTW: WHO approved this package and HOW did this package become approved?
> 
> This lesstif package violates rule #1 of FE: "FE packages must not
> replace FC package". IMO, some dark channels must have been activated to
> get this package approved.

It is at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=203274
approved by Rex. 
Of course it violates the replacement rule, but in that case openmotif
is being phased out (too rapidly in my opinion). The alternative would
have been to have lesstif and openmotif both in core in the interim, but
it doesn't hurt to avoid that and have directly lesstif in extras.

Otherwise said, this is a case that is not covered by the "FE packages 
must not replace FC package" rule which is here to avoid definitive
replacement, not interim replacement which is the case here.

> > The packages containing the libs are parallel installable. The -devel
> > packages conflicts. lesstif has more subpackages than openmotif, 
> > so the lesstif subpackages (containing the programs) conflict against 
> > the openmotif package which contains programs and libs.
> In one sentence you tell the "apps and run-time libs" conflict, in the
> other sentense you tell "the devel packages conflict". I fail to see the
> sense in this.

Here are the details:

openmotif and lesstif don't conflict, it is where the libs are.
lesstif-mwm conflicts with openmotif (since mwm is also in openmotif)
lesstif-clients conflict with openmotif (xmbind) and openmotif-devel (uil).
lesstif-devel conflicts with openmotif-devel (headers and .so)

> I am demanding: the devel package MUST be installable in parallel.

How do you arrange such that headers and .so don't conflict?

I have filled a bug against openmotif to reduce the conflicts,
unfortunately it has been closed NOTABUG... without any coment.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=203993

> So you are going to maintain it?  - Good night ddd, good night Fedora.

No, I don't want to maintain ddd since I have never used it. But somebody
competent will certainly step up.
 
> > Indeed. Maybe Spot wanted to say that they can be built against lesstif.
> I presume as much - I.e. his tests aren't worth much.

It is a prerequesite... Hopefully the runtime issues will be handled
later. I am personally against removing openmotif for FC7 for those
kinds of issues, but I fear this will not be heard. The plan seems to
be to drop openmotif with FC6 final freeze, October 2. One month
seems much too short to me.

> > Some of these apps are known to work with lesstif, though (nedit, ddd, xpdf,
> > grace and cernlib at least).
> Which also doesn't mean much.

Why?
 
> Ralf
> 
> Once again: This fundamentalic religious zealotry is harmful to Fedora -
> You guys are degrading Fedora from a once usable distro into an RPM
> based Debian.

In that case the goals have to be changed. As I allready stated I have no
personal opinion whether openmotif or lesstif should be in fedora, but 
if openmotif is to be in fedora the fedora goals have to be changed such 
that the openmotif licence (which isn't OSI approved) becomes acceptable.

--
Pat