From kwade at redhat.com Mon Oct 1 00:15:13 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: permission to use spec files in other projects (Was Re: clamav) In-Reply-To: <20070926135012.7c434634@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> Message-ID: <21153138.595221191197713371.JavaMail.root@zimbra-pilot.corp.redhat.com> ----- "Josh Boyer" wrote: > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:18:15 -0700 > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 12:46 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:24:00 -0700 > > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:01 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > > > > > > Further questions arise from Fedora maintainers > reusing/modifying > > > > > upstream specs and/or specs from other origins (e.g. other > distros). > > > > > They can be covered by other copyrights/licenses (e.g. the > GPL). > > > > > > > > Since spec files are specific to RPM packaging, could it be > better if > > > > rpm.org set the standard? It could be a bigger first step > toward all > > > > sources of spec files being license compatible. > > > > > > What? That's the equivalent of saying that the GNU Make project > should > > > set the copyright on all makefiles... > > > > No, it's not. > > How is it not? rpm.org is the upstream for rpm. Spec files are used > to build RPMs and are interpreted by the rpm program. Makefiles are > interpreted by make. > > Explain please. Setting copyright and suggesting a license in a comment block are not equivalent. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Oct 16 04:55:38 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:55:38 -0700 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2007-OCT-09 Message-ID: <4714444A.3060203@redhat.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2007-10-09 == Roll Call == Attendees: Chris Aillon, Steve Dickson, Bill Nottingham, Matt Domsch, Karsten Wade, Max Spevack, Chris Blizzard, Jef Spaleta, Dennis Gilmore, and John Poelstra Regrets: Seth Vidal == Spec File Licenses == * Red Hat Legal says they should be as open and licensed just like everything else * Choice of license is either "same as the package itself" or something extremely permissive like MIT/X11. == Google Start page == * Things are moving forward with Fedora's previous requests being honored * Agreement has not yet been signed. == PPC == * Releasing F8 ISOs the same as we have with previous releases. * Revisit for F9 based on the strength of the Fedora PPC developer community, and the progress being made in support of Secondary Architectures. From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Oct 19 23:12:40 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:12:40 -0700 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2007-OCT-16 Message-ID: <471939E8.60804@redhat.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2007-10-16 == Roll Call == Attendees: Matt Domsch, Bill Nottingham, Karsten Wade, John Poelstra, Max Spevack, Seth Vidal, and Jef Spaleta Regrets: Steve Dickson, Chris Blizzard, Chris Aillon, and Dennis Gilmore == Fedora Games Spin == * Approved == How should official "Spins" decision be made? == * Agreement from release engineering that the kickstart is sane * Agreement from the Fedora Board * Maximum number of releases for any given spin should be no more than once per month so as not to place an undue burden on the infrastructure From max at spevack.org Tue Oct 23 15:36:26 2007 From: max at spevack.org (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 Message-ID: http://www.linux.com/feature/119998 We plan to send some LiveUSB keys to folks with a few different websites once we have the final bits, so that the folks who are doing various reviews can get that usage experience of Fedora as well as all the normal Fedora 8 stuff. --Max From luis at tieguy.org Tue Oct 23 15:42:33 2007 From: luis at tieguy.org (Luis Villa) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:42:33 -0400 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2cb10c440710230842l7bd626d0kfbb4eaa780590d88@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/07, Max Spevack wrote: > http://www.linux.com/feature/119998 > > We plan to send some LiveUSB keys to folks with a few different websites > once we have the final bits, so that the folks who are doing various > reviews can get that usage experience of Fedora as well as all the > normal Fedora 8 stuff. The liveUSB is a great idea, but I'd recommend in the future doing it with a late nightly cut- the serious journos want to have the article already written by the time the release is out. Luis (hoping that the online-desktop folks will send out a liveUSB with online desktop sometime in the near future) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 23 14:43:09 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:13:09 +0530 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471E087D.1030602@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > http://www.linux.com/feature/119998 > > We plan to send some LiveUSB keys to folks with a few different websites > once we have the final bits, so that the folks who are doing various > reviews can get that usage experience of Fedora as well as all the > normal Fedora 8 stuff. Do you have a list? Rahul From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 23 15:55:02 2007 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:55:02 -0400 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 11:36 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > http://www.linux.com/feature/119998 > > We plan to send some LiveUSB keys to folks with a few different websites > once we have the final bits, so that the folks who are doing various > reviews can get that usage experience of Fedora as well as all the > normal Fedora 8 stuff. > Lovely article. It's nice that the things we were worried about wrt codec buddy are being pointed out in the press. "sermon" "Functionality aside, the introduction of a special relationship between a community distribution and a company is one that may leave many users uneasy." etc -sv From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 23 16:19:18 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, seth vidal wrote: > Lovely article. It's nice that the things we were worried about wrt > codec buddy are being pointed out in the press. > > "sermon" > "Functionality aside, the introduction of a special relationship between > a community distribution and a company is one that may leave many users > uneasy." Bruce Byfield is a sharp dude. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 23 16:52:45 2007 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:52:45 -0400 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg (gdk at redhat.com) said: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, seth vidal wrote: > >> Lovely article. It's nice that the things we were worried about wrt >> codec buddy are being pointed out in the press. >> >> "sermon" >> "Functionality aside, the introduction of a special relationship between >> a community distribution and a company is one that may leave many users >> uneasy." > > Bruce Byfield is a sharp dude. Note that he's complaining about the sermon that the board specifically asked for. Bill From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 23 17:23:52 2007 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:23:52 +0000 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193160232.8542.296.camel@cutter> On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 12:52 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg (gdk at redhat.com) said: > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, seth vidal wrote: > > > >> Lovely article. It's nice that the things we were worried about wrt > >> codec buddy are being pointed out in the press. > >> > >> "sermon" > >> "Functionality aside, the introduction of a special relationship between > >> a community distribution and a company is one that may leave many users > >> uneasy." > > > > Bruce Byfield is a sharp dude. > > Note that he's complaining about the sermon that the board specifically asked > for. yes - and he's citing the concern we specifically mentioned, too: "odd how we're in bed with a company with this stuff" the sermon I don't mind - we're preachy as a rule, anyway. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 17:29:00 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:29:00 -0800 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910710231029s6b581ae4jeecc097621c51bce@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/07, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Note that he's complaining about the sermon that the board specifically asked > for. It's certainly a sermon. But I'm pretty sure including it doesn't hurt the project in any significant way. Oh yes, people are going to complain, but they would have anyways if we didn't change how we handled codecs. And we will continue to get our asses handed to us in the multimedia area by distributions which show less restraint as to patent encumbered material, but we would have anyways if we didn't do anything new with regard to codecs. We either continue to not talk about it at all, confusing some users who expect this functionality to be there and it isn't. Or we make some effort to explain why this functionality isn't there and do what we can to give users legal choices. We reap what we sow and there is a continuing need to cultivate users who understand the long terms dangers that software patents represent. I expect we'll get enough feedback in the discussion as to the text and presentation of the sermon, so that by F9 we'll have something that strikes the correct tone for best educational impact. No discussion of the electronic lab or developers spin however.... that makes me sad. I was really hoping that review writers would at least take notice of the spins even if they don't have the training to actually make use of them. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 17:35:25 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0800 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <1193160232.8542.296.camel@cutter> References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1193160232.8542.296.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <604aa7910710231035w1898d26fxfd77cf7ea1b5f7d6@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/07, seth vidal wrote: > yes - and he's citing the concern we specifically mentioned, too: "odd > how we're in bed with a company with this stuff" > We have to start somewhere. The question moving forward is... are there other legal options out there that we can specifically include? And for those playing along 'legal' means no known jurisdictional problems. If we are confident its legal in the EU but not legal in the US, that's not a workable solution for release distribution so don't bother suggesting it. -jef From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 23 17:39:27 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Bill Nottingham wrote: >>> "sermon" >>> "Functionality aside, the introduction of a special relationship between >>> a community distribution and a company is one that may leave many users >>> uneasy." >> >> Bruce Byfield is a sharp dude. > > Note that he's complaining about the sermon that the board specifically > asked for. Yeah, but he cares about different things. He doesn't have to like the sermon. He just has to understand what *we* care about. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 23 16:51:04 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:21:04 +0530 Subject: early coverage of fedora 8 In-Reply-To: References: <1193154902.8542.292.camel@cutter> <20071023165245.GC17802@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <471E2678.5040200@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >>>> "sermon" >>>> "Functionality aside, the introduction of a special relationship >>>> between >>>> a community distribution and a company is one that may leave many users >>>> uneasy." >>> >>> Bruce Byfield is a sharp dude. >> >> Note that he's complaining about the sermon that the board >> specifically asked for. > > Yeah, but he cares about different things. He doesn't have to like the > sermon. He just has to understand what *we* care about. The actual "sermon" has changed a bit so that it is more explanatory. Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/Codeina. We haven't heard back from Red Hat Legal yet on whether it is possible to link to any third party repository as a alternative. So this appears to be only legally safe choice for us. Not a very comfortable one nevertheless. Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 15:23:35 2007 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:23:35 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... Message-ID: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> Looks kinda not so good right now, especially with this jewel at the bottom: This page is a mockup for discussion purposes, do not assume it will stay around (or if it does stay around, do not assume that this is what will be on it). Given that firefox is driving people to this, shouldn't we um, put some content there? Please? Or back out the change and go back to release notes. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From caillon at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 15:29:37 2007 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:29:37 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> Message-ID: <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> Jesse Keating wrote: > Looks kinda not so good right now, especially with this jewel at the > bottom: This page is a mockup for discussion purposes, do not assume it > will stay around (or if it does stay around, do not assume that this is what will be on it). > > Given that firefox is driving people to this, shouldn't we um, put some > content there? Please? Or back out the change and go back to release > notes. Adding Donald. I heard he was near having content... But if not, can we at least remove the notice and auto-focus the search bar? From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 17:10:52 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon Proposal Message-ID: Take a look: http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ The text: === Max and I just spent a half-hour with the lovely and talented Leigh Day. She is the guru of Red Hat PR. She is also the person in charge of the Red Hat Summit. The topic of our discussion: the future of FUDCon. We've been having FUDCons now for almost three years. They've always been relatively ad hoc affairs, happening whenever the time has seemed right to have one. In the beginning, that's exactly how they had to be, if they were going to happen at all. But now the Fedora community is larger and more established, and Fedora has taken its place as the leading innovator in the world of Linux distributions. The release process has improved to a point where Fedora release dates will be highly predictable; the new feature process is evolving to be more inclusive and more effective; and now it's time to make sure that FUDCon is at the heart of this process. Here's the current proposal, then, for the future of the big FUDCons. If you don't like these proposals, fill up my blog with complaints, criticisms, conuter-proposals, etc. You know the drill. 1. Next proposed FUDCon: January 11-13, 2008, at Red Hat HQ in Raleigh. Yeah, not that exciting, but we have the space, we have the time to make it happen, it's at a reasonably good time in the Fedora cycle, and Max and I know all the best bars. 2. Next proposed FUDCon after that: June 18-21, 2008, in Boston, at the Hynes Convention Center. Associated with the Red Hat Summit, but without the hefty fees. :) Attendance free to all community folks. At a *really* good time in the release cycle. 3. In future, there will be more Red Hat Summits, all over the world. And the rule of thumb will be: where there is a Summit, there is a FUDCon, attendance free for community folls. If it's not a perfect time in the release cycle, that's ok; it's still a great excuse to get smart Fedora folks together, buy them some drinks, and Get Something Done. 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the annual May Day release). Feedback welcome and encouraged. Lemme know. === Comments here or on my blog are encouraged. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From tibbs at math.uh.edu Wed Oct 24 18:15:22 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 24 Oct 2007 13:15:22 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>>> "GD" == Greg DeKoenigsberg writes: GD> 1. Next proposed FUDCon: January 11-13, 2008, at Red Hat HQ in GD> Raleigh. This is immediately before the beginning of the spring semester, at least at the university where I work. That's no problem for me although it might bother some academic folks. All I can ask is that we get a final date and hotel details ASAP, because some of us have to beg for money well in advance. - J< From gerold at lugd.org Wed Oct 24 18:54:40 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:54:40 +0200 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1193252080.3473.3.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Hi Greg, personally I hopefully think you only have a view to Northern America and not to the rest of this globe ... Because we in Europe need also to have a opportunity to have a FUDCon here ... And I also can tell you the date: Should be around Linuxtag Germany in 2008 (2008-05-28 till 2008-05-31)! So it's very near to that FUDCon you're planing again in Boston; or isn't it possible to have also one here? Be aware; it all takes also a lot of money :-( Regards Gerold Am Mittwoch, den 24.10.2007, 13:10 -0400 schrieb Greg DeKoenigsberg: > Take a look: > http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ > > The text: > > === > > Max and I just spent a half-hour with the lovely and talented Leigh Day. > She is the guru of Red Hat PR. She is also the person in charge of the Red > Hat Summit. The topic of our discussion: the future of FUDCon. > > We've been having FUDCons now for almost three years. They've always been > relatively ad hoc affairs, happening whenever the time has seemed right to > have one. In the beginning, that's exactly how they had to be, if they > were going to happen at all. > > But now the Fedora community is larger and more established, and Fedora > has taken its place as the leading innovator in the world of Linux > distributions. The release process has improved to a point where Fedora > release dates will be highly predictable; the new feature process is > evolving to be more inclusive and more effective; and now it's time to > make sure that FUDCon is at the heart of this process. > > Here's the current proposal, then, for the future of the big FUDCons. If > you don't like these proposals, fill up my blog with complaints, > criticisms, conuter-proposals, etc. You know the drill. > > 1. Next proposed FUDCon: January 11-13, 2008, at Red Hat HQ in Raleigh. > Yeah, not that exciting, but we have the space, we have the time to make > it happen, it's at a reasonably good time in the Fedora cycle, and Max and > I know all the best bars. > > 2. Next proposed FUDCon after that: June 18-21, 2008, in Boston, at the > Hynes Convention Center. Associated with the Red Hat Summit, but without > the hefty fees. :) Attendance free to all community folks. At a *really* > good time in the release cycle. > > 3. In future, there will be more Red Hat Summits, all over the world. And > the rule of thumb will be: where there is a Summit, there is a FUDCon, > attendance free for community folls. If it's not a perfect time in the > release cycle, that's ok; it's still a great excuse to get smart Fedora > folks together, buy them some drinks, and Get Something Done. > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > annual May Day release). > > Feedback welcome and encouraged. Lemme know. > > === > > Comments here or on my blog are encouraged. > > --g -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 19:04:45 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193252080.3473.3.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1193252080.3473.3.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi Greg, > > personally I hopefully think you only have a view to Northern America > and not to the rest of this globe ... > > Because we in Europe need also to have a opportunity to have a FUDCon > here ... Note, from the post: 3. In future, there will be more Red Hat Summits, all over the world. And the rule of thumb will be: where there is a Summit, there is a FUDCon, attendance free for community folks. If it's not a perfect time in the release cycle, that's ok; it's still a great excuse to get smart Fedora folks together, buy them some drinks, and Get Something Done. And when I say "all over the world," I mean "probably in Europe in autumn, when we hold our first Red Hat Summit in Europe." --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jkeating at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 19:19:34 2007 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:19:34 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193252080.3473.3.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1193252080.3473.3.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <20071024151934.6a1e13f9@redhat.com> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:54:40 +0200 Gerold Kassube wrote: > Because we in Europe need also to have a opportunity to have a FUDCon > here ... We don't forget. There have been non-us FUDCons already. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 19:34:29 2007 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:34:29 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071024193429.GH14357@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > 1. Next proposed FUDCon: January 11-13, 2008, at Red Hat HQ in Raleigh. > Yeah, not that exciting, but we have the space, we have the time to make > it happen, it's at a reasonably good time in the Fedora cycle, and Max and > I know all the best bars. It's been a few years since I've been to Raleigh, so my memory isn't so fresh, but how close are hotels etc to the office ? > 2. Next proposed FUDCon after that: June 18-21, 2008, in Boston, at the > Hynes Convention Center. Associated with the Red Hat Summit, but without > the hefty fees. :) Attendance free to all community folks. At a *really* > good time in the release cycle. Just to clarify, this means Fedora people get free entrance to fudcon, not free entry to rhsummit right ? (as cool as that would be, I suspect the people organising the summit might feel a little uneasy with a few hundred "oh yeah, I hack on Fedora" people trying to blag their way in :-) > 3. In future, there will be more Red Hat Summits, all over the world. And > the rule of thumb will be: where there is a Summit, there is a FUDCon, > attendance free for community folls. If it's not a perfect time in the > release cycle, that's ok; it's still a great excuse to get smart Fedora > folks together, buy them some drinks, and Get Something Done. My only issue with coupling it with the rh summit is that due to budget constraints, not every engineer gets to go to the rh summit. By association, this now means "you don't get to go to fudcon either". Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 19:47:04 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <20071024193429.GH14357@redhat.com> References: <20071024193429.GH14357@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > 1. Next proposed FUDCon: January 11-13, 2008, at Red Hat HQ in Raleigh. > > Yeah, not that exciting, but we have the space, we have the time to make > > it happen, it's at a reasonably good time in the Fedora cycle, and Max and > > I know all the best bars. > > It's been a few years since I've been to Raleigh, so my memory isn't > so fresh, but how close are hotels etc to the office ? The hotel situation is meh. But workable. > > 2. Next proposed FUDCon after that: June 18-21, 2008, in Boston, at the > > Hynes Convention Center. Associated with the Red Hat Summit, but without > > the hefty fees. :) Attendance free to all community folks. At a *really* > > good time in the release cycle. > > Just to clarify, this means Fedora people get free entrance to fudcon, > not free entry to rhsummit right ? That's what it means. Although for certain community luminaries, I think we could provide entry to both. > (as cool as that would be, I suspect the people organising the summit > might feel a little uneasy with a few hundred "oh yeah, I hack on > Fedora" people trying to blag their way in :-) We'll keep that from happening. :) > My only issue with coupling it with the rh summit is that due to budget > constraints, not every engineer gets to go to the rh summit. By > association, this now means "you don't get to go to fudcon either". Not necessarily. It means that: a. The budget we have for FUDCons becomes more discretionary, since we're piggybacking all facilities; b. We get the benefit of partner relationships, so it becomes much easier to hit up an Intel or an AMD for FUDCon funding. In the end, FUDCon is all about the engineers. No engineers, no FUDCon. Getting the best engineering talent to FUDCon from inside and outside Red Hat will remain, in my eyes, the highest priority. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From kwade at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 20:44:05 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:44:05 -0700 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <20071024193429.GH14357@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193258645.28397.47.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:47 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > In the end, FUDCon is all about the engineers. No engineers, no FUDCon. > Getting the best engineering talent to FUDCon from inside and outside Red > Hat will remain, in my eyes, the highest priority. Meaning perhaps it is *more* likely there will be lots of engineers around when the Summit is happening. Engineering managers get a double-bang for their travel buck. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 24 21:04:47 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193258645.28397.47.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <20071024193429.GH14357@redhat.com> <1193258645.28397.47.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:47 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > >> In the end, FUDCon is all about the engineers. No engineers, no FUDCon. >> Getting the best engineering talent to FUDCon from inside and outside Red >> Hat will remain, in my eyes, the highest priority. > > Meaning perhaps it is *more* likely there will be lots of engineers > around when the Summit is happening. Engineering managers get a > double-bang for their travel buck. Yep. I certainly hope this is true. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From matt at domsch.com Thu Oct 25 05:20:13 2007 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:20:13 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Take a look: > http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ Entirely reasonable. > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > annual May Day release). Thoughts about locations on these? Red Hat Summit has done a good job moving around the US (Nashville, San Diego, next Boston), and presumably the June RHS/FUDCon would move around too. Will the December one be constrained a) to the US and b) to a city with a large Red Hat presence (Boston or Raleigh)? Let me also add that FUDCons in other countries, targeting bringing together developers and users in those geographies, would be welcome, regardless of if there's a Red Hat Summit that will also be there or not. Ambassadors and other folks interested in organizing - please do so! Thanks, Matt From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 13:00:29 2007 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:29 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> References: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> Message-ID: <1193317230.3517.19.camel@cutter> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:20 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > Take a look: > > http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ > > Entirely reasonable. > > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > annual May Day release). > > Thoughts about locations on these? Red Hat Summit has done a good job > moving around the US (Nashville, San Diego, next Boston), and > presumably the June RHS/FUDCon would move around too. Will the > December one be constrained a) to the US and b) to a city with a > large Red Hat presence (Boston or Raleigh)? Maybe chicago. I think there's a rh office there but I'm not sure it's very large. It has mass transit, it's an actual city and it is equidistant from both coasts (roughly) for people coming from the US. -sv From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 13:01:36 2007 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:01:36 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 11:29 -0400, Christopher Aillon wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: > > Looks kinda not so good right now, especially with this jewel at the > > bottom: This page is a mockup for discussion purposes, do not assume it > > will stay around (or if it does stay around, do not assume that this is what will be on it). > > > > Given that firefox is driving people to this, shouldn't we um, put some > > content there? Please? Or back out the change and go back to release > > notes. > > Adding Donald. I heard he was near having content... But if not, can we > at least remove the notice and auto-focus the search bar? > I'm working on the start.fp.o page b/c it wasn't happening. I've sent it to the fedora-websites-list for input and I'm incorporating those ideas. I'll have it up (in one form or another) by the end of the day. -sv From jwboyer at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 13:12:53 2007 From: jwboyer at gmail.com (Josh Boyer) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:12:53 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193317230.3517.19.camel@cutter> References: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> <1193317230.3517.19.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <20071025081253.39555bab@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:29 -0400 seth vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:20 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > > > Take a look: > > > http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ > > > > Entirely reasonable. > > > > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks > > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > > annual May Day release). > > > > Thoughts about locations on these? Red Hat Summit has done a good job > > moving around the US (Nashville, San Diego, next Boston), and > > presumably the June RHS/FUDCon would move around too. Will the > > December one be constrained a) to the US and b) to a city with a > > large Red Hat presence (Boston or Raleigh)? > > Maybe chicago. I think there's a rh office there but I'm not sure it's > very large. It has mass transit, it's an actual city and it is > equidistant from both coasts (roughly) for people coming from the US. Chicago would be good. Chicago in June would be better than in December though. josh From tcallawa at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 13:53:15 2007 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <20071025081253.39555bab@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> References: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> <1193317230.3517.19.camel@cutter> <20071025081253.39555bab@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> Message-ID: <1193320395.22958.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 08:12 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:29 -0400 > seth vidal wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:20 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > > > > > Take a look: > > > > http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ > > > > > > Entirely reasonable. > > > > > > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks > > > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > > > annual May Day release). > > > > > > Thoughts about locations on these? Red Hat Summit has done a good job > > > moving around the US (Nashville, San Diego, next Boston), and > > > presumably the June RHS/FUDCon would move around too. Will the > > > December one be constrained a) to the US and b) to a city with a > > > large Red Hat presence (Boston or Raleigh)? > > > > Maybe chicago. I think there's a rh office there but I'm not sure it's > > very large. It has mass transit, it's an actual city and it is > > equidistant from both coasts (roughly) for people coming from the US. > > Chicago would be good. Chicago in June would be better than in > December though. Chicago's office has no space to hold any sort of conference. We'd need to find offsite facilities. ~spot From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 13:47:57 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:47:57 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193320395.22958.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> <1193317230.3517.19.camel@cutter> <20071025081253.39555bab@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> <1193320395.22958.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47209E8D.3020002@redhat.com> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 08:12 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:29 -0400 >> seth vidal wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:20 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Take a look: >>>>> http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ >>>>> >>>> Entirely reasonable. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks >>>>> after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the >>>>> annual May Day release). >>>>> >>>> Thoughts about locations on these? Red Hat Summit has done a good job >>>> moving around the US (Nashville, San Diego, next Boston), and >>>> presumably the June RHS/FUDCon would move around too. Will the >>>> December one be constrained a) to the US and b) to a city with a >>>> large Red Hat presence (Boston or Raleigh)? >>>> >>> Maybe chicago. I think there's a rh office there but I'm not sure it's >>> very large. It has mass transit, it's an actual city and it is >>> equidistant from both coasts (roughly) for people coming from the US. >>> >> Chicago would be good. Chicago in June would be better than in >> December though. >> > > Chicago's office has no space to hold any sort of conference. We'd need > to find offsite facilities. > Lots of universities around as well, I can ask around the University of Chicago if Chicago's a place we're seriously considering. -Mike From caillon at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 14:26:14 2007 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:26:14 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> seth vidal wrote: > I'm working on the start.fp.o page b/c it wasn't happening. I've sent it > to the fedora-websites-list for input and I'm incorporating those ideas. > I'll have it up (in one form or another) by the end of the day. On a hunch, I also made a plea for help from the guys in Brno. I got a taker on the web design team and he says he has two mockups already that I need to grab. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 13:29:40 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:59:40 +0530 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> Christopher Aillon wrote: > seth vidal wrote: >> I'm working on the start.fp.o page b/c it wasn't happening. I've sent it >> to the fedora-websites-list for input and I'm incorporating those ideas. >> I'll have it up (in one form or another) by the end of the day. > > On a hunch, I also made a plea for help from the guys in Brno. I got a > taker on the web design team and he says he has two mockups already that > I need to grab. What about L10N? What happens when there is no net connection? Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 14:37:11 2007 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:37:11 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20071025103711.658bffba@redhat.com> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:59:40 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > What happens when there is no net connection? Without net you get a blank page, rather immediately. I also tried with network up but dns failing and I also got an immediate blank page. The one thing I haven't tried yet was network up, DNS reachable, but name unresolvable, or maybe DNS resolvers addresses that don't immediately reject the connection. Will test later today. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From caillon at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 14:39:09 2007 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:39:09 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > What about L10N? We don't even have an English version yet.... Once we do, we can send it out for localization, and being on a website we have the luxury of updating as we go. > What happens when there is no net connection? The same thing that happens when you download the upstream version of Firefox and launch it without a net connection: you get a "can't find server" message. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 13:45:11 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:15:11 +0530 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47209DE7.70807@fedoraproject.org> Christopher Aillon wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> What about L10N? > > We don't even have an English version yet.... Once we do, we can send it > out for localization, and being on a website we have the luxury of > updating as we go. We had fully localized content before for general releases of Fedora. This time around it was changed at the last minute during Test 2 and later noone showed interest in working on it beyond the initial mockup. >> What happens when there is no net connection? > > The same thing that happens when you download the upstream version of > Firefox and launch it without a net connection: you get a "can't find > server" message. There was a lot of discussions on showing up local content instead. Has anyone looked into that? Rahul From luis at tieguy.org Thu Oct 25 14:48:57 2007 From: luis at tieguy.org (Luis Villa) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:48:57 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2cb10c440710250748h3892ac63h50a85bd61001b1ac@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/07, Christopher Aillon wrote: > > What happens when there is no net connection? > > The same thing that happens when you download the upstream version of > Firefox and launch it without a net connection: you get a "can't find > server" message. Which, functionally, is exactly as useful as the release notes to 99% of your users- i.e., not at all. So no loss. Now, when you can make the 'can't find server' page pop up network manager and do the useful thing... *that* will be a win. Local content in a web browser is dumb; we only put release notes there for historical reasons. Luis From caillon at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 14:47:18 2007 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:47:18 -0400 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <47209DE7.70807@fedoraproject.org> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> <47209DE7.70807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4720AC76.2020406@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > There was a lot of discussions on showing up local content instead. Has > anyone looked into that? This would be so much easier if NM were on by default everywhere. Firefox has support here and we could make smarter choices. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 13:52:31 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:22:31 +0530 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <2cb10c440710250748h3892ac63h50a85bd61001b1ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> <2cb10c440710250748h3892ac63h50a85bd61001b1ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47209F9F.7060403@fedoraproject.org> Luis Villa wrote: > On 10/25/07, Christopher Aillon wrote: >>> What happens when there is no net connection? >> The same thing that happens when you download the upstream version of >> Firefox and launch it without a net connection: you get a "can't find >> server" message. > > Which, functionally, is exactly as useful as the release notes to 99% > of your users- i.e., not at all. So no loss. Note that from Fedora Core 6 onwards, we didn't have release notes as the main local content (which was also translated into many languages) and I am of the impression that many user would find that more useful rather than a can't find server message. Rahul From fedora at leemhuis.info Thu Oct 25 17:16:58 2007 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:16:58 +0200 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4720CF8A.4040206@leemhuis.info> On 24.10.2007 19:10, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Take a look: > http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ > The text: > === > > Max and I just spent a half-hour with the lovely and talented Leigh Day. > She is the guru of Red Hat PR. She is also the person in charge of the Red > Hat Summit. The topic of our discussion: the future of FUDCon. [...] Looks good in general -- just one thing I tend to think is not that ideal: > 1. Next proposed FUDCon: January 11-13, 2008, at Red Hat HQ in Raleigh. > Yeah, not that exciting, but we have the space, we have the time to make > it happen, it's at a reasonably good time in the Fedora cycle, and Max and > I know all the best bars. > > 2. Next proposed FUDCon after that: June 18-21, 2008, in Boston, at the > Hynes Convention Center. Associated with the Red Hat Summit, but without > the hefty fees. :) Attendance free to all community folks. At a *really* > good time in the release cycle. > [...] > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 weeks > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > annual May Day release). I'd prefer something like two weeks after the planned release dates -- then the release should be out, we hopefully have some fresh energy and ideas again for planing the next release, which IMHO would be way easier done on a FUDCon than via Mail and IRC. Yes, two week after a scheduled release bears the risk that we run into problems if we slip. Another good reason to not slip. ;-) Not sure how it's in the US, but in Germany a lot of people are really busy with preparing everything at home and at work for the winter holidays/Christmas. They also spend lots of their money for presents. IOW: I doubt that December is a good time for a conference. Considering the winter holidays it means that there are abut 8 -- 11 work weeks (beginning either from the FUDCon date in December or early January) until the Feature Freeze which afaics is planned about 8 - 9 weeks before the release, e.g. beginning or March. Not much time to realize great features that were discussed on a FUDCon. Cu knurd From gdk at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 17:35:34 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <4720CF8A.4040206@leemhuis.info> References: <4720CF8A.4040206@leemhuis.info> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 24.10.2007 19:10, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> Take a look: >> http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ >> The text: >> === >> >> Max and I just spent a half-hour with the lovely and talented Leigh Day. >> She is the guru of Red Hat PR. She is also the person in charge of the Red >> Hat Summit. The topic of our discussion: the future of FUDCon. [...] > > Looks good in general -- just one thing I tend to think is not that ideal: ... > IOW: I doubt that December is a good time for a conference. Well, November is tough because of American thanksgiving. We basically have the middle week of November, and if we miss it, we miss it. With December, we've got the first two weekends. But it's a fair point. I could use more input here. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From tcallawa at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 17:56:27 2007 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:56:27 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:10 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 > weeks > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > annual May Day release). FOSS.in is the first week of December this year, I don't know how predictable their annual date is, but we should try to avoid conflicting if possible. ~spot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 17:00:26 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:30:26 +0530 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4720CBAA.5050603@fedoraproject.org> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:10 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 >> weeks >> after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the >> annual May Day release). > > FOSS.in is the first week of December this year, I don't know how > predictable their annual date is, but we should try to avoid conflicting > if possible. They are usually end of November to first week of December December 04-08, on 2007 November 24/25/26 on 2006 29th of November to 2nd of December on 2005 December 1st, 2nd and 3rd on 2004 (It was called Linux Bangalore before this time) December 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 2003 December 3, 4 & 5, 2002 December 10, 11 & 12, 2001 Rahul From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 19:33:26 2007 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20071025193326.GA5871@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 01:56:27PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:10 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 > > weeks > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > annual May Day release). > > FOSS.in is the first week of December this year, I don't know how > predictable their annual date is, but we should try to avoid conflicting > if possible. My first thought on reading 'june' was to check OLS too. We're good for next year, but it has been known to be in june in previous years. Something to keep in mind.. Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From jwboyer at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 20:24:13 2007 From: jwboyer at gmail.com (Josh Boyer) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:24:13 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <20071025193326.GA5871@redhat.com> References: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20071025193326.GA5871@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20071025152413.2f2c0c7d@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0400 Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 01:56:27PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:10 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 > > > weeks > > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > > annual May Day release). > > > > FOSS.in is the first week of December this year, I don't know how > > predictable their annual date is, but we should try to avoid conflicting > > if possible. > > My first thought on reading 'june' was to check OLS too. > We're good for next year, but it has been known to be in june > in previous years. Something to keep in mind.. Perhaps FUDCon could be an OLS mini-conf at times. There's plenty of people already there that would overlap. josh From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 20:23:33 2007 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:23:33 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <20071025152413.2f2c0c7d@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> References: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20071025193326.GA5871@redhat.com> <20071025152413.2f2c0c7d@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> Message-ID: <1193343813.7863.12.camel@cutter> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 15:24 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0400 > Dave Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 01:56:27PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:10 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 > > > > weeks > > > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > > > annual May Day release). > > > > > > FOSS.in is the first week of December this year, I don't know how > > > predictable their annual date is, but we should try to avoid conflicting > > > if possible. > > > > My first thought on reading 'june' was to check OLS too. > > We're good for next year, but it has been known to be in june > > in previous years. Something to keep in mind.. > > Perhaps FUDCon could be an OLS mini-conf at times. There's plenty of > people already there that would overlap. > But it means converting into those expensive canadian dollars. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 21:10:56 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:10:56 -0800 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <4720CF8A.4040206@leemhuis.info> Message-ID: <604aa7910710251410l7927f91dw340fc3acfc11619a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/07, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > But it's a fair point. I could use more input here. When planning for US locations it would be best for me if you coordinated with the USCA calendar so fudcon overlaps with a local bonspiel http://www.usacurl.org/usacurl//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=63 More seriously.... I can tell you right now however that looking at the conference calendar that the 3rd week of June seems to be historically okay for me. I've an international workshop that has historically met the first/second week of June. I think its somewhere mid-atlantic US east coast this year. The sad reality is dates will be a crapshoot no matter what you do. -jef From caillon at redhat.com Thu Oct 25 22:01:06 2007 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:01:06 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <4720CF8A.4040206@leemhuis.info> Message-ID: <47211222.2050704@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> IOW: I doubt that December is a good time for a conference. > > Well, November is tough because of American thanksgiving. We basically > have the middle week of November, and if we miss it, we miss it. With > December, we've got the first two weekends. > > But it's a fair point. I could use more input here. If only we'd released FC7 a month earlier. Then we'd be looking at March/September releases which would make planning this so much easier.... From kwade at redhat.com Fri Oct 26 18:57:31 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:57:31 -0700 Subject: start.fp.o... In-Reply-To: <2cb10c440710250748h3892ac63h50a85bd61001b1ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071024112335.5d6c4d68@redhat.com> <471F64E1.5070503@redhat.com> <1193317296.3517.21.camel@cutter> <4720A786.8000302@redhat.com> <47209A44.9070609@fedoraproject.org> <4720AA8D.8030007@redhat.com> <2cb10c440710250748h3892ac63h50a85bd61001b1ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1193425051.14836.45.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 10:48 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > Local content > in a web browser is dumb; we only put release notes there for > historical reasons. As Rahul points out, this is a historical understanding only. :) The default home page has been useful for some time. Also, before taking that fuller control (and spawning fedora-release-notes rather than rustle this into fedora-release), we did a lot of work to make the release notes more interesting as first content. Feature overviews were pushed to the top of the content (and ToC), and work was done to make those appear above the fold for most folks. We've been doing that since FC4 or so, iirc. Also, considering that all of the release notes have linked to the live version for some time, and both have a link to the common bugs-per-release page(s), these are potentially useful for every single user who has an issue with the release. These features are more useful than the standard link to report a bug that one gets in other release notes. This process allowed Fedora helpers (#fedora, etc.) to get bug fix information out to the community in a rapid and efficient manner. All-in-all, more useful than just to 1% of the users. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From SteveD at redhat.com Tue Oct 30 16:39:30 2007 From: SteveD at redhat.com (Steve Dickson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:39:30 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <47209E8D.3020002@redhat.com> References: <20071025052012.GA20159@domsch.com> <1193317230.3517.19.camel@cutter> <20071025081253.39555bab@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> <1193320395.22958.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47209E8D.3020002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47275E42.6090106@RedHat.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 08:12 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:29 -0400 >>> seth vidal wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:20 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:10:52PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Take a look: >>>>>> http://gregdek.livejournal.com/ >>>>>> >>>>> Entirely reasonable. >>>>> >>>>>> 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 >>>>>> weeks after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks >>>>>> after the annual May Day release). >>>>>> >>>>> Thoughts about locations on these? Red Hat Summit has done a good job >>>>> moving around the US (Nashville, San Diego, next Boston), and >>>>> presumably the June RHS/FUDCon would move around too. Will the >>>>> December one be constrained a) to the US and b) to a city with a >>>>> large Red Hat presence (Boston or Raleigh)? >>>>> >>>> Maybe chicago. I think there's a rh office there but I'm not sure it's >>>> very large. It has mass transit, it's an actual city and it is >>>> equidistant from both coasts (roughly) for people coming from the US. >>>> >>> Chicago would be good. Chicago in June would be better than in >>> December though. >>> >> >> Chicago's office has no space to hold any sort of conference. We'd need >> to find offsite facilities. >> > > Lots of universities around as well, I can ask around the University of > Chicago if Chicago's a place we're seriously considering. +1 for Chicago in June... Everything, including hotels, conferences rooms, and food and airports are reachable from the "L" (i.e. the city trains). Plus flying to either ORD or MDW is pretty easy, usually direct... steved. From smooge at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 18:41:58 2007 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:41:58 -0600 Subject: FUDCon Proposal In-Reply-To: <1193343813.7863.12.camel@cutter> References: <1193334987.5563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20071025193326.GA5871@redhat.com> <20071025152413.2f2c0c7d@weaponx.rchland.ibm.com> <1193343813.7863.12.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <80d7e4090710301141s2c4a7aeewbd0438731fae9614@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/07, seth vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 15:24 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0400 > > Dave Jones wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 01:56:27PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:10 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > > 4. In future, there will always be a FUDCon in December (about 6 > > > > > weeks > > > > > after the annual Halloween release) and June (about 6 weeks after the > > > > > annual May Day release). > > > > > > > > FOSS.in is the first week of December this year, I don't know how > > > > predictable their annual date is, but we should try to avoid conflicting > > > > if possible. > > > > > > My first thought on reading 'june' was to check OLS too. > > > We're good for next year, but it has been known to be in june > > > in previous years. Something to keep in mind.. > > > > Perhaps FUDCon could be an OLS mini-conf at times. There's plenty of > > people already there that would overlap. > > > > But it means converting into those expensive canadian dollars. > Whose value will just go up and up! Yes by investing in OLS you are helping your future retirement when your US$1.07 becomes CA$1.00 but in ten years becomes US$5.00 when you find that unspent loons in some coat. We also recommend buying AU$ because AU is the symbol for gold and will only go up too! On a more serious note, my selfish vote is for an early October summit in Albuquerque, NM, USA area so that people can also go to Balloon Fiesta! -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- CSIRT/Linux System Administrator How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Oct 31 07:05:54 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:05:54 -0700 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2007-OCT-30 Message-ID: <47282952.3040506@redhat.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2007-10-30 == Roll Call == Attendees: Seth Vidal, Dennis Gilmore, Chris Blizzard, Max Spevack, Jef Spaleta, John Poelstra, Will Woods, Jesse Keating, Bill Nottingham, Chris Aillon, Matt Domsch, and Steve Dickson Regrets: Karsten Wade == F8 Blocker List Review == * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=235703&hide_resolved=1 * Jesse & Will * Python/Turkish issue--bugzilla 207134 * bug is in Python and affecting the installer * workarounds are being investigated * this is considered a stop-ship issue * Most NetworkManager issues are addressed * LiveCD/USB need concentrated testing--Max to post blog entry * dmraid issue being investigated--bugzilla 349161 * Decision day is today or tomorrow * Need to hand final tree to Red Hat IS for synching with mirrors by Friday * If a final tree is not ready by Friday then F8 would slip one week to GA on 2007-11-15