Fedora Board Recap 2008-NOV-11

[John Poelstra]

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-11-11

== Roll Call ==

Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Matt Domsch, Jesse Keating, Jef 
Spaleta, Karsten Wade, Mike McGrath, Seth Vidal, Bill Nottingham, Spot 
Callaway, Harald Hoyer, and Chris Tyler

== Follow-up to Previous Business ==
=== Spins Process ===
* 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-11-04#Communicating_Spins
* 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-November/msg00026.html 

* Discussion is continuing led by Jon Stanley

== New Business ==

=== Personal Trademark Usage ===
* A community member approached the board to brand non-software goods 
and sell them for personal gain
* Paul continuing discussion on this topic with legal counsel
* Would like to create FAQ around trademark usage that will hopefully 
answer questions like this
* '''RESOLUTION''': the board denies trademark usage to individuals for 
non-software goods for personal benefit

=== Extending Updates for EOL Releases ===
* Background:
** 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringComittee/Meeting-20081015#Keeping_Infrastructure_Open_for_EOL_Proposal
** 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pertusus/Draft_keeping_infra_open_for_EOL
** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringComittee/Meeting-20081015
** http://bpepple.fedorapeople.org/fesco/FESCo-2008-10-15.html
* Mike McGrath reported that resource are available (CVS, disk space, 
builders) for maintaining package for more releases
** A year or more out storage space will become a concern
** Requests do come to mirror manager for EOL releases
*** Graph of requests for Fedora 7 packages from January to October 
2008: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/f7hits.html

* The following observations were made during board discussion:
** Resource needs are unclear in existing proposals
*** how many builds are anticipated?
*** how will builds be distributed?
*** where will bugs be tracked?
*** how long will the trial period be to measure resource usage
** It is unclear who the technical leader and implementer of the 
proposal will be
** Concerns about granting Fedora resources and space to a project that 
will not use the Fedora Brand
** Concerns around the haphazardness of package updates and what 
determines when updates are issued
*** No set requirements or policies around when package updates will be 
issued--appears to be completely at the will of an interested maintainer
*** What about security updates?
*** Is there a community of people to do the updates?  How is this 
different than the unsuccessful Fedora Legacy project?
** If the core issue being raised by this proposal is extending the 
length of time Fedora releases are support, that issue should be 
explored separately

* '''RESOLUTION''': The board:
** Is very unclear if there is real user demand or actual use that 
warrants providing resources for this effort
** Is not willing to put Fedora resources and funds behind a pilot 
project that does not include the Fedora brand and whose viability, 
based on the current proposal, appears doubtful
** Encourages the supporters of this proposal to demonstrate the 
technical viability of this proposal by setting up a self-hosted 
instance outside of Fedora and engaging a group of interested people to 
show it can work and generates enough interest and demand.  This is how 
things usually start in Fedora.  For example, Fedora Extras when it began.

=== IRC Meetings ===
* Missed first Tuesday of November
** Next IRC meeting is on 2008-11-18 (next week)
** Resume regular IRC meeting schedule with first Tuesday of December: 
2008-12-02
* Paul Frields will send out announcements

== Next Meeting ==
* Date: 2008-10-07
* Time: 19:00 UTC
* Location: irc.freenode.net
** Public channel to ask questions: #fedora-board-public
** Moderated channel for board answers: #fedora-board-meetings
** Board to only join moderated channel so as to focus discussion there