Proposal for ML conduct

Paul W. Frields stickster at
Fri May 15 03:32:40 UTC 2009

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:20:08PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 05:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > 
> > Why focus only on the mailing lists? How about IRC, forums or other
> > means of communication? For the record, IRC conversations in #fedora
> > have frequently been problematic as well. I think, you can bite the
> > bullet and formalize a code of conduct now as I suggested a while back.
> > If you are willing to ban a person for behaving rudely in a mailing
> > list, I am sure that it can be used as a enforcing mechanism for a code
> > of conduct. IIRC, that was the issue against it before.
> We're picking mailing lists to start with.  There is already an effort
> in place to try and correct the IRC channel issues, we'd rather not step
> into that and distrupt the existing effort unless we absolutely have to.
> Forums are outside of the Fedora project space and we have no authority
> there.

Kevin Fenzi has done a lot to get more people working as operators in
IRC in #fedora, and it has helped significantly in the last year or
so.  There are still some times where things get out of hand there,
and the ops do their best.  At times, I've seen ops that lose their
cool, and I continue to advise them that it's OK to walk away.
Personally, and metaphorically speaking, I'd rather a desk go unmanned
than have it manned by someone who doesn't want to be there.

> > A question to think about: What do you when a Red Hat employee working
> > full on time Fedora does this? Do you ban that person from the project
> > as well? Not suggesting anyone is actually doing this. Just something to
> > think about.
> We would treat them the same way we would treat any other contributor.
> If the person in question looses their ability to do their job within
> Fedora, that's a matter the person will have to bring up with their
> management chain.  However I strongly feel that there should be no
> different treatment no matter who you work for.

I agree with this.

Paul W. Frields                      
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