"What is the Fedora Project?"

[Josh Boyer]

On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:18:48PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> >5) By F15 I'd like to see a killer virtualization management system in
>> >Fedora.  What we have now is a lot of disparate tools.  All of which are
>> >getting better, none of which are on the level with the likes of vmware.
>>
>> OK, confused.  2, 3, and 5 seem to have nothing to do with Fedora itself.
>> Additionally, 5 here seems to be based on the assumption that the Fedora
>> project is a development organization or that we control development
>> resources that we can direct.  I don't think either is true.  I think Fedora
>> is a _showcase_ for development that happens elsewhere.
>>
>
>yet 2, 3, and 5 have all been hackfests or discussion points at the last
>two fudcons I've attended.  Also, that's kind of my point.  They don't
>have much to do with Fedora at the moment.  But I'd like to see us do
>them.  Just like NM typically gets its changes here first.  We can through
>resources and help at upstream projects more for even better relationships
>with upstream.  This is just doing more of what we are already good at.

NM is showcased here first.  I'm pretty sure all the NM changes are still
going into upstream before they actually show up in a Fedora RPM.

>> Now, I'm well aware of the fact that Red Hat (and other companies) pay
>> people to work "on Fedora".  However I think the actual development is done
>> in the upstream projects and Fedora just happens to be the test/delivery
>> vehicle for that work.  The Fedora project also doesn't dictate what those
>> developers do.
>>
>
>Something I want to see changed.  I'd like to have facilities to do this
>more in Fedora.  We're starting to have this stuff like we didn't before.

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean by any of that.  What exactly do
you want to see changed?  What facilities would you like to have?  What are
we starting to have more of?

>Our work with ovirt is a prime example of this.

I don't know anything about this so I can't comment.

>> >3) A place where businesses and employees can come to work and collaborate
>> >towards common goals.  Many businesses have started using FOSS, Fedora
>> >should lead them in how to take a step further and become a FOSS business.
>> >Also putting together better documentation on how and why employees are
>> >better employees when they work with FOSS projects.
>>
>> And what about people that do FOSS in their spare time?
>>
>> I don't mean to harp on the same issues, but in some of our conversations I
>> can't help but come away with the impression that you are approaching Fedora
>> as a business product that is to be run like a business unit.
>>
>
>We've already got that.  No need to set goals we've already met.

I don't think it's met.  I think it's perhaps one of the very reasons we
are having this discussion to begin with.

josh