From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 21:59:53 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:59:53 -0700 Subject: Reminder: FUDCon Toronto Survey closes Friday night! Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001041359r4e43df42jd9017b58c8b6daad@mail.gmail.com> FUDCon Toronto (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009) may be over, but we still want to hear your (anonymous, of course!) thoughts on how it went. ?This is your friendly reminder that the FUDCon Toronto Survey will be available though 11:59pm PST Friday, January 8, 2010 (that's 07:59 UTC on Saturday, January 9). ?5 minutes of your time to answer 29 quick questions can help us make future FUDCons better than ever! If you... * attended FUDCon Toronto, either in-person or remotely via Fedora Live, please take this survey and tell us what you thought. * didn't attend FUDCon Toronto but wanted to, please take this survey and tell us how we can help you get to the next one. * didn't want to go to FUDCon Toronto, please take this survey and tell us why - it's anonymous. The survey is available at http://fedoraproject.limequery.org/index.php?sid=34266&lang=en Questions are previewable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_survey. ?We will be analyzing and announcing results shortly after the close of the survey. ?If you're curious about the process, interested in helping us analyze the results, or have any questions in general, join the conversation on the Fedora Marketing mailing list (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Jan 6 00:48:23 2010 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:48:23 -0800 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2009-12-17 UTC 1700 In-Reply-To: <939dd5750912191313l7453821fm296383e4bb3e28c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091218220739.GQ20625@victoria.internal.frields.org> <939dd5750912190831n4436e365y382db6b099be1e12@mail.gmail.com> <939dd5750912191106x23be03f5t6884a6d26a01e1b2@mail.gmail.com> <939dd5750912191313l7453821fm296383e4bb3e28c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B43DDD7.5040808@redhat.com> William Jon McCann said the following on 12/19/2009 01:13 PM Pacific Time: > People should step forward on their own, I agree. Similarly I'd like > the folks on the board go on the record and state publicly what parts > of the proposal that they disagree with. That would help me > understand where the points of disagreement actually are. Because > those folks didn't bring up specific issues at FUDCon, on the list, or > in the board meeting. > > But let's try to turn this into something positive. For those of us > who would like to see the board give an opinion on this issue - or for > the project as a whole to move in this direction, what does the board > recommend that we do at this point? I have tried to convey that this > wiki does not only represent my professional recommendation for the > project but an effort to reflect the desires of many other > stakeholders as well. I'm sorry if this has appeared to be in bad > form. Even if it was I'm not sure it is productive to focus on that > now. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience Overall I really like the "whiteboard." I think it is a good collection of a lot of things that if implemented would make Fedora much better. While this page is a collection of lots of good information I do not see it as a "proposal." To me it is more a laundry list of all the things that should be changed. There is a section called "requirements", but these seem like more wide ranging policy changes that would affect a lot of different groups. While many of these requirements or "changes" would be good for Fedora the part missing for me is how and when they would all be implemented. For it to be a considered a proposal (that I as a board member would vote in favor of implementing), I would want to see a detailed section explaining the phases and process that these changes would be implemented with. I would also suggest breaking the suggested changes into sections or separate pages by functional areas. For example, FESCo, QA, Release Engineering, etc. Some of the suggested changes might be implemented by enhancing the release criteria. Other changes might be implemented through policies created and monitored by other groups. So in summary, there are lots of good ideas that would really benefit Fedora, but the list is somewhat overwhelming and the implementations details and related ownership and accountability for each individual item are ambiguous. It would also be helpful to be clear about why this set of problems needs to be solved and what target audience we are intending to benefit by solving them. I think this write-up assumes that a particular target audience would benefit from these changes, but that target audience is not clearly spelled out. Doing so would make the case for these changes stronger. John From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 02:04:29 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:04:29 -0500 Subject: Final Board appointment, and IRC meeting reminder 2010-01-07 UTC 1700 Message-ID: <20100107020429.GN17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> To fill the final open seat on the Board for the next two releases, I am appointing Colin Walters. Colin has spent several years developing technology and community in the GNOME Project and around the varied landscape of Fedora's desktop. He brings to the Board a constructive, positive spirit to solving problems in Fedora and upstream. His recent work on advancing ideas and code for a unique but highly usable personality for the free desktop is also very exciting. After getting the chance to meet and talk with him at FUDCon, I am sure he will be an excellent addition to the Board. I hope the Fedora community will join me in welcoming Colin, where he joins Chris Tyler as our other new member for this cycle. The new Board will meet for the first time tomorrow in a public IRC meeting, on Thursday 7 January 2010, at 1700 UTC (12:00 noon US-Eastern). Departing, current, and new Board members are all expected at the meeting. Details about joining the IRC meeting are found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC As I've written before, the Board always welcomes community input. Please feel free to join the fedora-advisory-board mailing list to start a discussion if needed, or you may email us at any time with questions or issues. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jan 7 19:40:29 2010 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:40:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ratification of FAMSCO leadership roles for 2010 Message-ID: Hi Board, The new FAMSCO has elected Joerg Simon as its chair, and me as it's vice-chair. This is subject to the Board's approval, and we'd like to ask you for it. Thanks, Max From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 19:42:02 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:42:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2010-01-07 UTC 1700 Message-ID: <20100107194202.GL17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-board-meeting.2010-01-07-17.00.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-board-meeting.2010-01-07-17.00.txt Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-board-meeting.2010-01-07-17.00.log.html ============================= #fedora-board-meeting Meeting ============================= Meeting started by stickster at 17:00:11 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-board-meeting.2010-01-07-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 17:00:18) * Present: ctyler stickster mdomsch dgilmore mmcgrath spot walters * jwb notting glezos (stickster, 17:03:14) * Regrets: poelcat (stickster, 17:03:52) * Welcome new Board members (stickster, 17:04:17) * Present: caillon (stickster, 17:08:02) * fedoraturkiye.org (stickster, 17:11:03) * AGREED: stickster will work with baransel to resolve remaining issues on mockup, and then the Board will approve the trademark license agreement. (stickster, 17:16:45) * Appropriate material for Planet (stickster, 17:18:02) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet#Appropriate_Material (stickster, 17:18:32) * ACTION: stickster Add statement to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet#Appropriate_Material stating that feeds may be removed for inappropriate material (stickster, 17:28:28) * Q&A (stickster, 17:31:14) * FUDCon planning process is open and the planning group's open list is found at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning (stickster, 17:41:42) * LINK: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2010-January/msg00000.html (stickster, 17:47:37) * Fedora announcements list has a link to the survey, which closes Friday! https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2010-January/msg00000.html (stickster, 17:47:59) * ACTION: ctyler will gather some of the feedback from FUDCon attendees in Toronto who are casual users (stickster, 17:54:22) * FUDCon planners will work with Marketing to glean information from survey results (stickster, 17:56:57) * AOB (stickster, 17:58:25) * ACTION: stickster and poelstra to make initial agenda, solicit participants, and select time for a working group meeting (stickster, 18:08:57) Meeting ended at 18:13:03 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster Add statement to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet#Appropriate_Material stating that feeds may be removed for inappropriate material * ctyler will gather some of the feedback from FUDCon attendees in Toronto who are casual users * stickster and poelstra to make initial agenda, solicit participants, and select time for a working group meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * ctyler * ctyler will gather some of the feedback from FUDCon attendees in Toronto who are casual users * stickster * stickster Add statement to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet#Appropriate_Material stating that feeds may be removed for inappropriate material * stickster and poelstra to make initial agenda, solicit * participants, and select time for a working group meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (135) * mmcgrath (25) * mdomsch (22) * ctyler (18) * EvilBob (16) * walters (16) * glezos (14) * dgilmore (14) * spot (13) * caillon (9) * notting (6) * jwb (5) * zodbot (2) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 7 20:10:34 2010 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2010-01-07 UTC 1700 In-Reply-To: <20100107194202.GL17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20100107194202.GL17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Paul W. Frields wrote: > * AOB (stickster, 17:58:25) > * ACTION: stickster and poelstra to make initial agenda, solicit > participants, and select time for a working group meeting > (stickster, 18:08:57) > Who or what is AOB? -sv From jwboyer at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 20:36:31 2010 From: jwboyer at gmail.com (Josh Boyer) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:36:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2010-01-07 UTC 1700 In-Reply-To: References: <20100107194202.GL17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20100107203631.GC16448@hansolo.jdub.homelinux.org> On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 03:10:34PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> * AOB (stickster, 17:58:25) >> * ACTION: stickster and poelstra to make initial agenda, solicit >> participants, and select time for a working group meeting >> (stickster, 18:08:57) >> > > Who or what is AOB? "Any Other Business". The Action item could have been a bit more verbose about what it was refering to :) josh From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 20:50:36 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:50:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Board Recap 2010-01-07 UTC 1700 In-Reply-To: <20100107203631.GC16448@hansolo.jdub.homelinux.org> References: <20100107194202.GL17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20100107203631.GC16448@hansolo.jdub.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20100107205036.GC7549@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 03:36:31PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 03:10:34PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> * AOB (stickster, 17:58:25) > >> * ACTION: stickster and poelstra to make initial agenda, solicit > >> participants, and select time for a working group meeting > >> (stickster, 18:08:57) > >> > > > > Who or what is AOB? > > "Any Other Business". > > The Action item could have been a bit more verbose about what it was > refering to :) Sorry, I failed to update the #topic through Zodbot. This particular AOB item was a working group for target audience and related topics, as found in the full log here: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-board-meeting.2010-01-07-17.00.log.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Jan 7 20:51:57 2010 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:51:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: Ratification of FAMSCO leadership roles for 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi Board, > > The new FAMSCO has elected Joerg Simon as its chair, and me as it's > vice-chair. > > This is subject to the Board's approval, and we'd like to ask you for it. > Just curious, why does this need the Boards approval? -Mike From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jan 7 21:51:21 2010 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:51:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ratification of FAMSCO leadership roles for 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > Just curious, why does this need the Boards approval? Because that's part of the FAMSCO election process -- which of course can be changed. That clause is in there from a few years ago, as ensuring a check-and-balance, respect for the little bits of hierarchy that we do have, etc. --Max From gerold at lugd.org Thu Jan 7 23:02:10 2010 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:02:10 +0100 Subject: Ratification of FAMSCO leadership roles for 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1262905331.2535.28.camel@localhost> I'm also a bit wondering ... Is that request a "approval" or a "acceptance" question? Regards Gerold much confused atm Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 16:51 -0500 schrieb Max Spevack: > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > Just curious, why does this need the Boards approval? > > Because that's part of the FAMSCO election process -- which of course > can be changed. > > That clause is in there from a few years ago, as ensuring a > check-and-balance, respect for the little bits of hierarchy that we do > have, etc. > > --Max > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 17:18:12 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:18:12 -0500 Subject: Ratification of FAMSCO leadership roles for 2010 In-Reply-To: <1262905331.2535.28.camel@localhost> References: <1262905331.2535.28.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20100108171812.GG3363@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:02:10AM +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > I'm also a bit wondering ... > > Is that request a "approval" or a "acceptance" question? > > Regards > > Gerold much confused atm The current FAmSCo rules say "ratification by the Board," but I think we can get by with less formal process. Honestly, the best scenario is that someone on the FAmSCo sends a note to this list and the Ambassadors list, notifying everyone about the chair selection. Unless the Board has a serious concern about it, that selection should stand -- and it's hard to imagine the circumstances in which that would happen. I talked to Joerg a bit this morning about removing the requirement for a formal ratification. There have been some recent clarifications drafted on the FAMSCo election page and it should be easy to add this change. Joerg, you can go ahead and announce this selection to the Ambassadors, and consider that announcement done from the perspective of this list. :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Jan 8 20:39:36 2010 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:39:36 -0800 Subject: Fedora Board Strategic Working Group Message-ID: <4B479808.7090000@redhat.com> Following up on my post earlier this week http://poelcat.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/the-fedora-board-so-far/ and discussion at yesterday's board IRC meeting, I am proposing the following "working group" meeting of the board to satisfactorily address and close out the "What is Fedora" and "Target Audience" agenda items. I'm proposing that the meeting be structured as described below. I'm posting here to give visibility to our processes as a board and ask which board members would like to participate.... please reply here if you want to participate. I've heard a few suggestions for holding these discussions in IRC. Considering that board meetings can run 2 hours over the phone on this topic I cannot imagine discussing these topics over IRC. We can certainly address any questions or issues people want to raise at our monthly IRC meetings. == Timing == o I'm looking for feedback until Wednesday, January 13, 2010. o Thursday to Sunday I will find out the best day and time to meet each week o Weekly "working group" meetings will start the week of January 18, 2010 == Big Picture == o A committed group of board members that are passionate about satisfactorily finishing the "What is Fedora" and "Target Audience" agenda items. o Provide status at regular board meetings o Bring specific structured proposals to the regular board meeting o All decisions by way of proposals are reviewed and voted on by all board members at the regular meeting == Framework == o Meet one day each week (outside of our regular meeting) for one hour on the telephone o Committed group of board members (this is not a drop-in/drop-out meeting or come when you like) --if you are passionate about this cause and believe it should be moved forward --committed to coming each week at the time we select --actively participating in constructive dialog o All meeting minutes will be sent to f-a-b and posted to the wiki o Proposals and ideas for moving these topics forward will be discussed --NO decisions will be made by this working group o Once the full board has declared the "What is Fedora" and "Target Audience" discussions closed this working group will be dissolved == My Commitment == o Own all meeting set-up logistics o Facilitate the meeting discussion and keep us on track o Publish meeting minutes