From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Mon Nov 7 22:27:29 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:27:29 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Hi Message-ID: <20051107172729.st3jpx2u1068kkww@www.sagraluzzatto.com.br> Hi All!!! I am Rodrigo Padula... i'm a Fedora Ambassador in Brazil!!! From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 22:43:45 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:43:45 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Hi In-Reply-To: <20051107172729.st3jpx2u1068kkww@www.sagraluzzatto.com.br> References: <20051107172729.st3jpx2u1068kkww@www.sagraluzzatto.com.br> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511071443l257a5995y6f3ef9dfba96b6b7@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, I'm Chitlesh GOORAH I could even be the newest ambassador till now. Im representing the Fedora Core in France precisely in Alsace as well as in Mauritius. Mauritius is where I was born and I frequently do the journey Strasbourg-Mauritius little information about Mauritius: There is one lug in there and linux is practically never no where. Those who uses linux run debian based OS. I don't know if you have seen my post "*let's do marketing in Strasbourg !"*on the list http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list but if you did and you have some ideas to share please do. or what could be nice is if you are living in the neighbouring countries or districts you can pay us a visit in strasbourg meanwhile take care Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 22:13:49 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Welcome to the team! Message-ID: <7f617d270511121413g3aa4e8a4rb708162c1916a385@mail.gmail.com> Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors! I am glad to welcome you to the team. We have some exciting tasks ahead of us, spreading the good word about Fedora and I would like to take this opportunity to make sure you all know what this team is all about. First of all, we represent Fedora to the rest of the world. Please remember this at all times! I encourage you to read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct and to ask questions here on this list whenever in doubt. Second, we are the ones responsible for making sure the world knows about Fedora. How do we do this? We go to all sorts of events, IT, Linux, or maybe even music and art shows and talk with people about advantages of Fedora and Open Source software to them. It is important to remember that most people out there would not be able to name more than two operating systems, and that the advantages of OSS are not obvious to them. So please if you have not spoken with complete newbies about Fedora, Linux, OSS etc in a while, do your homework. Here is a good place to start: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints Third, please also keep your eyes open for events that would let Fedora ehibit or have a talk for free or for *very* little money. If you find such an event, alert the rest of us on the list, and we will decide whether to go there and if yes what materials you will receive, and what funds we can make available for you. You can also order some material for giving out -- use the online form at http://fedoraproject.org/forms/AmbassadorForm.html We will add other goodies with time. And lastly, please be sure to recruit others to support you in the region you are representing. We should aim to have at least two folks in each region, but ideally more is better--and if you are travelling or ill, or if we need to cover multiple events it is always good to have someone to jump in for you. Okay, that is basically it. Please ask questions if something is unclear! Cheers, a -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From lxmaier at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 02:02:54 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:02:54 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: FEDORA PROJECT BRAZIL In-Reply-To: <1131671490.4964.6.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <4373563B.6020308@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1131671490.4964.6.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270511121802w37ec2266k1b4651bd2f529bae@mail.gmail.com> This is a great idea and I am glad you went ahead and implemented it. As for the logo useon stickers and T-shirts--because our logo is so new, and we have not done this before, I would feel more comfortable if Rodrigo sent the designs to me first, so I can make sure the logo is used correctly. Otherwise, if you have a legal entity (ideally a non-profit) to collect the money (and to pay taxes off the profits), there should not be any problems. If you do not have the organization to process the money flow, I would say WAIT until we have one, and then we will help you collect and spend the money. We are very close to getting a bank account for Fedora in the US, and many things will become easier from there. Rodrigo, please keep me in the loop on this one. a On 11/10/05, David Barzilay wrote: > Hi Elliot, > > Thanks for you e-mail. > > We have been talking (Rodrigo, and I) and we'll probably go with this > option. > > As this has been a long road to something supposedly simple, some guys > are very eager to make it happen ;) > > Thanks for your support, > Dave Barzilay > > > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 12:46 -0500, Elliot Lee wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > > > > We will launch in briefing the official site of Brazilian Fedora Project. > > > I found a good server for hosting of the site > > > (http://www.chihost.com/vipplan.php). > > > > Hey Rodrigo, would you or other Brazilian Fedora hackers talk with David > > Barzilay about hosting the site for free on the > > Fedora machines? > > > > It is helpful to have official Fedora sites hosted together to enable > > better integration between the sites... > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From lxmaier at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 02:16:49 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Logo - Spreading the news, licensing In-Reply-To: <43731C25.3050505@redhat.com> References: <43731C25.3050505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270511121816s46702e95tf0134fb36288e8dd@mail.gmail.com> Yes Rahul, we are almost there. Be ready to go ahead and spread the news soon. I will send a separate alert to both lists (sorry for cross-posting) to make sure we all are ready :) a On 11/10/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > So the Logo has been decided upon. We need to announce that and spread > the news. Should that coincide with Fedora Foundation announcements? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews > > Some questions: > > What about the word mark?. Same as the original draft? > What are font and logo licensing terms? . How broad should they be?. > > regards > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Nov 16 10:53:07 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:07 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Self-Introduction -Belgium- Message-ID: Dear *, I am glad to annonce you I am now a Belgium/Nothern France Fedora Ambassador. You should find my Self-Introduction at the following URL : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain If you have any remark, feel free to contact me. BR Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rahul Sundaram Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:00 PM To: Hornain Frederic Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Self-Introduction -Belgium- Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear *, > > I am glad to annonce you I am now a Belgium/Nothern France Fedora > Ambassador. > You should find my Self-Introduction at the following URL : > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain > > If you have any remark, feel free to contact me. > Welcome Fredreic Hornain, Pleased to have you onboard.Shouldnt we all talking more about the ambassador's interest and the grand plans now ;-) regards Rahul -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Write articles and reviews for various Fedora community sites like http://fedoranews.org and Red Hat Magazine http://redhat.com/magazine on Fedora related events. Invite more community members to participate and evangelize Fedora which among other things includes being a ambassador. What else? regards Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 12:24:55 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:24:55 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Message-ID: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> Well now that we are reaching the critical mass on this list, I would like to call our first meeting: UTC-timeRaleigh Berlin Brisbane Mumbai Thursday, November 24, 2005 at 14:00:00Thu 9:00 AMThu 3:00 PMFri MidnightThu 7:30 PM I hope it works for everybody. I will assume that silence means consent, so please complain now if the time is bad for you. We currently have 20 subscribers to the list. I think 10 folks will constitute a quorum. We will meet on freenode, as usual, in #fedora-mktg I will post the agenda on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetingslater today and send out an alert. Cheers, a -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Nov 16 13:09:42 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:09:42 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Message-ID: Alex, FYI, I would have been very enthusiast of being there on the first Fedora-ambassadors Meeting. Unfortunatly, as the meeting takes place during office hours and as my company does not allow me to use any IRC,Jabber,etc... client softs due to restricted policies, I could not be there. I think I am not the only one in that case. Nonetheless, I will principaly communicate via mail on Fedora-ambassadors-list. So, it could be nice to have a board where we could retreive the ideas developped during meetings in the case of we would not have had the possibility to be present at these ones. Well, it is just an idea. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alex Maier Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:25 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Well now that we are reaching the critical mass on this list, I would like to call our first meeting: UTC-time Raleigh Berlin Brisbane Mumbai Thursday, November 24, 2005 at 14:00:00 Thu 9:00 AM Thu 3:00 PM Fri Midnight Thu 7:30 PM I hope it works for everybody. I will assume that silence means consent, so please complain now if the time is bad for you. We currently have 20 subscribers to the list. I think 10 folks will constitute a quorum. We will meet on freenode, as usual, in #fedora-mktg I will post the agenda on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings later today and send out an alert. Cheers, a -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Nov 16 13:12:37 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:42:37 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437B3045.4030004@redhat.com> Hornain Frederic wrote: > Alex, > > FYI, I would have been very enthusiast of being there on the first > Fedora-ambassadors Meeting. > Unfortunatly, as the meeting takes place during office hours and as my > company does not allow me to use any IRC,Jabber,etc... client softs > due to restricted policies, I could not be there. > > I think I am not the only one in that case. > > Nonetheless, I will principaly communicate via mail on > Fedora-ambassadors-list. > So, it could be nice to have a board where we could retreive the ideas > developped during meetings in the case of we would not have had the > possibility to be present at these ones. > Well, it is just an idea. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings has the meeting mins or logs for others to read and continue the discussions on the list later if required on their convenient time. regards Rahul From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Nov 16 13:14:27 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:14:27 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Message-ID: Rahul, Ok, you 've got the point. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: Rahul Sundaram [mailto:sundaram at redhat.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:13 PM To: Hornain Frederic Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Hornain Frederic wrote: > Alex, > > FYI, I would have been very enthusiast of being there on the first > Fedora-ambassadors Meeting. > Unfortunatly, as the meeting takes place during office hours and as my > company does not allow me to use any IRC,Jabber,etc... client softs > due to restricted policies, I could not be there. > > I think I am not the only one in that case. > > Nonetheless, I will principaly communicate via mail on > Fedora-ambassadors-list. > So, it could be nice to have a board where we could retreive the ideas > developped during meetings in the case of we would not have had the > possibility to be present at these ones. > Well, it is just an idea. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings has the meeting mins or logs for others to read and continue the discussions on the list later if required on their convenient time. regards Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 13:38:50 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511160538i71000031re048362803119321@mail.gmail.com> no you are not the only one Ill be at uni. but irc access is restricted!! Ive done my homework :) I can connect to http://www.linux-quebec.org/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi if anyone could host someting similar it would be nice :) Chitlesh GOORAH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 13:40:00 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:40:00 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0511160538v2fbc69ccq94bb8adebf4381a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0511160538v2fbc69ccq94bb8adebf4381a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511160540q6191aefdlc62ed6dc0a65f562@mail.gmail.com> On 11/16/05, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > FYI, I would have been very enthusiast of being there on the first > > > Fedora-ambassadors Meeting. > > > Unfortunatly, as the meeting takes place during office hours and as my > > > company does not allow me to use any IRC,Jabber,etc... client softs > > > due to restricted policies, I could not be there. > > > > > > I think I am not the only one in that case. > > > > > > no you are not the only one > Ill be at uni. > but irc access is restricted!! > Ive done my homework :) I can connect to > http://www.linux-quebec.org/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi > if anyone could host someting similar it would be nice :) > > Chitlesh GOORAH > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511160556n1fd1634au12adb1498feae4ea@mail.gmail.com> On 11/16/05, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > Good Idea ! > BR > Fred > istinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > hai there, Hornain, are you able to connected to the link i gave ? if yes, then the cgi:irc would be a good solution for us. if the meeting could be scheduled 2 hours later and if anyone could host the cgi:irc for fedora channels, then i would be in paradise :) Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Nov 16 14:00:30 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:00:30 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Message-ID: Chitlesh, Yes, I was . And it will be great it this mean could be implemented on fedora project. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: Chitlesh GOORAH [mailto:chitlesh at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:57 PM To: Hornain Frederic Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? On 11/16/05, Hornain Frederic < Frederic.Hornain at gb.be> wrote: Good Idea ! BR Fred istinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list hai there, Hornain, are you able to connected to the link i gave ? if yes, then the cgi:irc would be a good solution for us. if the meeting could be scheduled 2 hours later and if anyone could host the cgi:irc for fedora channels, then i would be in paradise :) Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Nov 16 14:02:28 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:32:28 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437B3BF4.60201@redhat.com> Hornain Frederic wrote: > Chitlesh, > > Yes, I was . > And it will be great it this mean could be implemented on fedora project. > > BR > Fred If anyone in this list is interested in implementing such solutions, subscribe and post to fedora-websites-list regards Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 14:25:47 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:25:47 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <437B3BF4.60201@redhat.com> References: <437B3BF4.60201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511160625qd5fb81aud52fff61e592586e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/16/05, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > seth vidal to For > More options 2:21 pm (0 minutes ago) - Show quoted text - > > On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 14:15 +0000, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Hello there, > > being fedora ambassadors (Im talking in the name of others too), as > > from this thursday we will occasionally hold meetings on irc. > > see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings > > But meetings time coincide with working hours and irc access is > > restricted. > > however there is a solution for us to connect and share ideas. > > it is http://www.linux-quebec.org/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi > > if anyone could host something similar it would be nice :) > > hoping that this is the best place to ask, > > If there are policies in place at your place of work to restrict access > to irc then I do not think it is an act of good faith for the fedora > project to provide you with a mechanism to circumvent those policies > and/or break those rules. > > so what do we do next? > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check it and followup on this list if necessary. regards Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 14:38:57 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:38:57 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0511160625qd5fb81aud52fff61e592586e@mail.gmail.com> References: <437B3BF4.60201@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0511160625qd5fb81aud52fff61e592586e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270511160638p56d70552v158b3be33c007f53@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Seth. As Ambassadors, we should not break any laws, rules, or restrictions--as this kind of behaviour might and will throw a bad light on Fedora as result. We can do two things: 1) Document our meetings exceedingly well, like we did in the past, so that a productive discussion can then tak eplace on the list. 2) Move the meeting to a day/time that would work for most folks. I realize that this will open a discussion, so please note that whatever the result of the discussion may be, THE THURSDAY MEETING TIME REMAINS UNCHANGED We had this kind of situation before, and whenever the upcoming (and already annouced) meeting was moved, the only result we got was to get everyone confused to the point that no-one showed up. Please also note that we have a global network of Ambassadors, i.e. NO time will fit all. We might begin considering having two meeting times, alterating weekly, or abstain from having synchronous meetings altogether--we have a list and wiki to coordinate our actions. Thank you all, Alex On 11/16/05, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > to For More options 2:21 pm (0 minutes ago) > > If there are policies in place at your place of work to restrict access > > to irc then I do not think it is an act of good faith for the fedora > > project to provide you with a mechanism to circumvent those policies > > and/or break those rules. > so what do we do next? -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Nov 16 14:44:58 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:44:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Message-ID: Dear *, Even if I was quite interested by the mechanism mentionned by Chitlesh, I completly agree with what seth vidal wrote. Nice try guys ! However it was not coming from a bad intention. So let's go back to the good old method. Thanks anyway for that solution from all people who can not use the IRC. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rahul Sundaram Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:31 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? Hi > > If there are policies in place at your place of work to restrict > access > to irc then I do not think it is an act of good faith for the fedora > project to provide you with a mechanism to circumvent those policies > and/or break those rules. > > so what do we do next? Like I said before, minutes would be available after every meeting.. Check it and followup on this list if necessary. regards Rahul -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From tchung at fedoranews.org Wed Nov 16 20:26:25 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:26:25 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Suggestions In-Reply-To: <437B1CE9.7000807@redhat.com> References: <437B1CE9.7000807@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051116202350.M61874@fedoranews.org> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:20:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote > Join http://fedoraproject.org/people and blog about what you are doing > with Fedora and your thoughts on it. > > Write articles and reviews for various Fedora community sites like > http://fedoranews.org and Red Hat Magazine http://redhat.com/magazine on > Fedora related events. Yes, please contact me as I'm in the process of testiing a new site where you can create your own account to write stories and you can even start your own personal blog complete with RSS feed. :) -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 16 19:29:12 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:29:12 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132169352.3572.77.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 07:24 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Well now that we are reaching the critical mass on this list, I would > like to call our first meeting: > > UTC-time > Raleigh > Berlin > Brisbane > Mumbai > Thursday, > November 24, > 2005 at > 14:00:00 > Thu 9:00 AM > Thu 3:00 PM > Fri Midnight > Thu 7:30 PM > > I hope it works for everybody. Ordinarily, perhaps. However, that day is a holiday in the US and I am not going to be getting up at 6 am for a meeting. :) So, I guess I'll see you next time. > I will assume that silence means consent, so please complain now if > the time is bad for you. I disagree with this concept. Silence just as often means that you got missed in the noise of daily life. If you rely upon this, you are likely to be disappointed with the results. Lightweight consensus style usually requires a couple of +1s or -1s to show where everyone is headed. Those who care, post. So, I'll throw in a -1 with the caveat that I know what a difficulty it is to schedule a global meeting. Monday or Friday is much better for me for that time, as I am working already. If I have to get up especially for a voluntary meeting, I'm likely not to. > We currently have 20 subscribers to the list. I think 10 folks will > constitute a quorum. Normally I'd suggest a majority, but perhaps this won't matter for Ambassadors. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From tchung at fedoranews.org Wed Nov 16 21:21:48 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:21:48 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is anyone getting my message? Message-ID: <20051116211829.M53535@fedoranews.org> I replied two messages already so far in this list. I can see my messages are being posted in the archives: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/fedora-ambassadors-list/ but I'm not receiving my own mail. How strange. -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Nov 16 20:23:21 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:53:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Suggestions In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0511161138w63ab2867h89ced37dab116c7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <437B1CE9.7000807@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0511161138w63ab2867h89ced37dab116c7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437B9539.40300@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > On 11/16/05, *Rahul Sundaram* > wrote: > > > Join http://fedoraproject.org/people and blog about what you are doing > with Fedora and your thoughts on it. > > > how can i join the fedoraproject.org/people > ? > because i fill a blog about fedora core with experience at > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > i blogged each encountered problem with fc4/kde with its solution. > This info could be useful to fc users. Mail skvidal at fedoraproject.org or colin at fedoraproject.org will a self picture, blog link and a introduction. regards Rahul From tchung at fedoranews.org Wed Nov 16 21:47:45 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fw: Is anyone getting my message? In-Reply-To: <20051116211829.M53535@fedoranews.org> References: <20051116211829.M53535@fedoranews.org> Message-ID: <20051116214457.M89683@fedoranews.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- From: "Thomas Chung" To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:21:48 -0800 Subject: Is anyone getting my message? I replied two messages already so far in this list. I can see my messages are being posted in the archives: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/fedora-ambassadors-list/ but I'm not receiving my own mail. How strange. -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- I figured it out. Apprently the default value for mailing list membership configuration "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "No" This is odd since other lists I'm subscribing fedora-marketing-list and fedora-websites-list both set to "Yes" by default. -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 20:52:09 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:52:09 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fw: Is anyone getting my message? In-Reply-To: <20051116214457.M89683@fedoranews.org> References: <20051116211829.M53535@fedoranews.org> <20051116214457.M89683@fedoranews.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511161252h7a51a776x41e00bf89ab5b88c@mail.gmail.com> I will check mine too :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Wed Nov 16 23:44:29 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:44:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Alex Maier wrote: > Well now that we are reaching the critical mass on this list, I would like > to call our first meeting: > > UTC-timeRaleigh > Berlin Brisbane > Mumbai Thursday, > November 24, 2005 at > 14:00:00Thu > 9:00 AMThu 3:00 PMFri MidnightThu 7:30 PM > I hope it works for everybody. > > I will assume that silence means consent, so please complain now if the time > is bad for you. I think we should do this tomorrow, in fact. So make that the 17th, not the 24th. Make it if you can. :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From tchung at fedoranews.org Thu Nov 17 00:52:57 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:52:57 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051117005138.M90511@fedoranews.org> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:44:29 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > I think we should do this tomorrow, in fact. So make that the 17th, not > the 24th. > > Make it if you can. :) > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > Here is updated World Click for Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 14:00:00 UTC time http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2005&month=11&day=17&hour=14&min=0&sec=0 I'll do my best to wake up in 6:00 am. :) -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From gdk at redhat.com Thu Nov 17 00:00:26 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:00:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20051117005138.M90511@fedoranews.org> References: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> <20051117005138.M90511@fedoranews.org> Message-ID: And by the way, my hope is that we can evolve to a point where we have two meeting times: one that's better for Europe and Eastern US, and one that's better for Asia and Western US. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Thomas Chung wrote: > On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:44:29 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > > > I think we should do this tomorrow, in fact. So make that the 17th, not > > the 24th. > > > > Make it if you can. :) > > > > --g > > > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > Here is updated World Click for Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 14:00:00 UTC time > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2005&month=11&day=17&hour=14&min=0&sec=0 > > I'll do my best to wake up in 6:00 am. :) > -- > Thomas Chung > FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) > "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" > From jwulf at redhat.com Thu Nov 17 02:42:08 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:42:08 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] How about a Meeting? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270511160424y6c179f13v340e2eb097ffb0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437BEE00.1060402@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > Well now that we are reaching the critical mass on this list, I would > like to call our first meeting: > > UTC-time Raleigh > Berlin > Brisbane > Mumbai > > Thursday, November 24, 2005 at 14:00:00 > > Thu 9:00 AM Thu 3:00 PM Fri Midnight Thu 7:30 PM > > > I hope it works for everybody. > > I will assume that silence means consent, so please complain now if > the time is bad for you. > > We currently have 20 subscribers to the list. I think 10 folks will > constitute a quorum. > > We will meet on freenode, as usual, in #fedora-mktg > > I will post the agenda on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings later today and send > out an alert. > > Cheers, > a > -- > New content on FUDCon page! > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > FUDCon: > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > "Living... after midnight" Yo, I'm a player, and I'll be a stayer But with the midnight meetings I'm a pray-er Midnight? On a Friday night? I have to go to work at 8am on Saturday morning. You'll have to excuse me if I can't make it. I'll try it for this week, but I honestly can't sustain that. --josh From gdk at redhat.com Thu Nov 17 16:24:36 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:24:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Minutes from the FIRST EVER MEETING! Message-ID: These "minutes" are boiled down from about 2 hours of conversation. :) 1. EVERY EVENT IN 2006! The stated goal of the Fedora Ambassadors program is to have a presence at every significant Linux / open source event in the world in 2006. Everyone present agreed to this goal. 2. PUT THE EVENTS IN THE WIKI! In order to accomplish our goal, we need a comprehensive list of events, and we need to know who's planning on attending them. This list will be kept up-to-date at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents It is EVERY AMBASSADOR'S RESPONSIBILITY to keep this list updated! 3. SPREAD THE WORD! Time to notify everybody about the Ambassadors program. Email, blog, whatever. Spread the word. 4. ARGUE MORE ABOUT FUNDRAISING! A crucial question. It costs money for people to go to events, and we can ask them to: * Do it out of the goodness of their hearts; * Get their company to pay for it; * Sell Fedora-themed schwag onsite to get reimbursed; * Use Fedora Foundation budget to get them there. It's a crucial issue that we'll need to continue to discuss. 5. NEXT MEETING TIME! Probably the original meeting time as suggested by Alex. Which, for Americans, is Thanksgiving... so the Americans can suck it up, or not be present, heh. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From tchung at fedoranews.org Thu Nov 17 19:20:01 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:20:01 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Minutes from the FIRST EVER MEETING! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051117191848.M60504@fedoranews.org> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:24:36 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > These "minutes" are boiled down from about 2 hours of conversation. :) > > 1. EVERY EVENT IN 2006! > > The stated goal of the Fedora Ambassadors program is to have a > presence at every significant Linux / open source event in the > world in 2006. Everyone present agreed to this goal. > > 2. PUT THE EVENTS IN THE WIKI! > > In order to accomplish our goal, we need a comprehensive list of > events, and we need to know who's planning on attending them. > This list will be kept up-to-date at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > > It is EVERY AMBASSADOR'S RESPONSIBILITY to keep this list > updated! > > 3. SPREAD THE WORD! > > Time to notify everybody about the Ambassadors program. Email, > blog, whatever. Spread the word. > > 4. ARGUE MORE ABOUT FUNDRAISING! > > A crucial question. It costs money for people to go to events, > and we can ask them to: > * Do it out of the goodness of their hearts; > * Get their company to pay for it; > * Sell Fedora-themed schwag onsite to get reimbursed; > * Use Fedora Foundation budget to get them there. > It's a crucial issue that we'll need to continue to discuss. > > 5. NEXT MEETING TIME! > > Probably the original meeting time as suggested by Alex. Which, for > Americans, is Thanksgiving... so the Americans can suck it up, or > not be present, heh. > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Fedora Ambassadrors Meetings wiki page has been created. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Ambassadors/Meetings -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From thulshof at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 19:03:40 2005 From: thulshof at gmail.com (Thijs Hulshof) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:03:40 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Minutes from the FIRST EVER MEETING! In-Reply-To: <20051117191848.M60504@fedoranews.org> References: <20051117191848.M60504@fedoranews.org> Message-ID: <9590b2a80511171103o5a950043ie7412db255fd7069@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/05, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:24:36 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > > These "minutes" are boiled down from about 2 hours of conversation. :) > > > > 1. EVERY EVENT IN 2006! > > > > The stated goal of the Fedora Ambassadors program is to have a > > presence at every significant Linux / open source event in the > > world in 2006. Everyone present agreed to this goal. > > > > 2. PUT THE EVENTS IN THE WIKI! > > > > In order to accomplish our goal, we need a comprehensive list of > > events, and we need to know who's planning on attending them. > > This list will be kept up-to-date at: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > > > > It is EVERY AMBASSADOR'S RESPONSIBILITY to keep this list > > updated! > > > > 3. SPREAD THE WORD! > > > > Time to notify everybody about the Ambassadors program. Email, > > blog, whatever. Spread the word. > > > > 4. ARGUE MORE ABOUT FUNDRAISING! > > > > A crucial question. It costs money for people to go to events, > > and we can ask them to: > > * Do it out of the goodness of their hearts; > > * Get their company to pay for it; > > * Sell Fedora-themed schwag onsite to get reimbursed; > > * Use Fedora Foundation budget to get them there. > > It's a crucial issue that we'll need to continue to discuss. > > > > 5. NEXT MEETING TIME! > > > > Probably the original meeting time as suggested by Alex. Which, for > > Americans, is Thanksgiving... so the Americans can suck it up, or > > not be present, heh. > > > > --g > > > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Fedora Ambassadrors Meetings wiki page has been created. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Ambassadors/Meetings Shouldn't that be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings ? - Thijs -- > Thomas Chung > FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) > "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From chitlesh at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 16:09:14 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:09:14 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org and experience Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511200809l5bf0c927t3017307f38bf73df@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Concerning the last meeting! We talked about many stuffs. Among these, I think tchung pointed out that it would be good that ambassadors could get @fedoraproject.org alias for emails. I was wondering if its possible to get it. Secondly, I was among a group of friends last night "marketing fedora core". I found it very useful to have a wallpaper with all the major websites listed onto it. It is easily when you have their eyes and mind glued on the topic "fedora core" for example, on my wallpaper there were 2 addresses fedoraforum.org and fedoraproject.org . when i was talking about what is fedora and saying that this is an open source project. They pronounced the word "project" with me. same happened to the word "forum" when i said that the best way to get most of fedora is having contact with people on forums and mailing lists. This was my little experience of last night. Ive enhanced my wallpaper and posted it on kde-looks.org It would be nice if everyone shares their experience as a fedora ambassador so that other ambassadors can learn from it. regards, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Mon Nov 21 12:51:21 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:51:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org and experience In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0511200809l5bf0c927t3017307f38bf73df@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0511200809l5bf0c927t3017307f38bf73df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chitlesh, We're working on how, exactly, we get these aliases set up. We're working on it, but we want to have an easy way of processing the requests. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello everyone, > Concerning the last meeting! > We talked about many stuffs. > Among these, I think tchung pointed out that it would be good > that ambassadors could get @fedoraproject.org > alias for emails. > I was wondering if its possible to get it. > > Secondly, I was among a group of friends last night "marketing fedora core". > > I found it very useful to have a wallpaper with all the major websites > listed onto it. > It is easily when you have their eyes and mind glued on the topic "fedora > core" > for example, on my wallpaper there were 2 addresses > fedoraforum.org and > fedoraproject.org > . > when i was talking about what is fedora and saying that this is an open > source project. > They pronounced the word "project" with me. > same happened to the word "forum" when i said that the best way to get most > of fedora > is having contact with people on forums and mailing lists. > > This was my little experience of last night. > Ive enhanced my wallpaper and posted it on kde-looks.org > It would be nice if everyone shares their experience as a fedora ambassador > so that other > ambassadors can learn from it. > > regards, > Chitlesh GOORAH > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Mon Nov 21 13:45:19 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:45:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors Message-ID: Dear *, Well, I have started my pilgrim mission. Gosh, it was not so obvious! Indeed, last saturday I went to a french engineering school where I talked to the principal about fedora and the fact to do in a first time a fedora project presentation to students. He was very enthousiast to do it and told me that teachers could also be really interested. During our conversation, he gave me his visit card and I was a little bit embarassed to give him mine cause I haven't got any fedora project vist card on me. - Could the fedora project provide us visit cards or could we print one based on a standard available on the fedora project web site ? - So he asked me where I can be reach at the fedora project. Then I had to give him the email address coming from my company. He was a little bit confused cause he did not understood why I gave him an e-mail address having no relationship with the subject of our conversation. Ok, I can admit that this kind of situation permit to explain deeper the base of Open source and how the community works. However, it was not so obvious to be convincing when you are in face of peolple who they know nothing about open source. So, little details can be really helpful. Well, we talked more than hour. In addition, he asked me some questions which I had some difficulties to answer. For instance : - how is structured the fedora project organization - in term of organizational tree - ? - Does it exist a program of partnership between schools and fedora? - Can they use the reference "fedora project" in there school's presentation brochure if they are interacting with the fedora community ? - and so on and so for ... Anyway, we have planned to do a presentation of fedora -overview- to students as soon as I would have done my presentation slides and an offcial have commited them. Thank you in advance if you can give the answers to the previous question. BTW, if you have any remarks, feel free to contact me. Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:09 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org and experience Hello everyone, Concerning the last meeting! We talked about many stuffs. Among these, I think tchung pointed out that it would be good that ambassadors could get @ fedoraproject.org alias for emails. I was wondering if its possible to get it. Secondly, I was among a group of friends last night "marketing fedora core". I found it very useful to have a wallpaper with all the major websites listed onto it. It is easily when you have their eyes and mind glued on the topic "fedora core" for example, on my wallpaper there were 2 addresses fedoraforum.org and fedoraproject.org. when i was talking about what is fedora and saying that this is an open source project. They pronounced the word "project" with me. same happened to the word "forum" when i said that the best way to get most of fedora is having contact with people on forums and mailing lists. This was my little experience of last night. Ive enhanced my wallpaper and posted it on kde-looks.org It would be nice if everyone shares their experience as a fedora ambassador so that other ambassadors can learn from it. regards, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Mon Nov 21 13:03:55 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:03:55 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors Message-ID: Dear *, Well, I have started my pilgrim mission. Gosh, it was not so obvious! Indeed, last saturday I went to a french engineering school where I talked to the principal about fedora and the fact to do in a first time a fedora project presentation to students. He was very enthousiast to do it and told me that teachers could also be really interested. During our conversation, he gave me his visit card and I was a little bit embarassed to give him mine cause I haven't got any fedora project vist card on me. - Could the fedora project provide us visit cards or could we print one based on a standard available on the fedora project web site ? - So he asked me where I can be reach at the fedora project. Then I had to give him the email address coming from my company. He was a little bit confused cause he did not understood why I gave him an e-mail address having no relationship with the subject of our conversation. Ok, I can admit that this kind of situation permit to explain deeper the base of Open source and how the community works. However, it was not so obvious to be convincing when you are in face of peolple who they know nothing about open source. So, little details can be really helpful. Well, we talked more than hour. In addition, he asked me some questions which I had some difficulties to answer. For instance : - how is structured the fedora project organization - in term of organizational tree - ? - Does it exist a program of partnership between schools and fedora? - Can they use the reference "fedora project" in there school's presentation brochure if they are interacting with the fedora community ? - and so on and so for ... Anyway, we have planned to do a presentation of fedora -overview- to students as soon as I would have done my presentation slides and an offcial have commited them. Thank you in advance if you can give the answers to the previous question. BTW, if you have any remarks, feel free to contact me. Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:09 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org and experience Hello everyone, Concerning the last meeting! We talked about many stuffs. Among these, I think tchung pointed out that it would be good that ambassadors could get @ fedoraproject.org alias for emails. I was wondering if its possible to get it. Secondly, I was among a group of friends last night "marketing fedora core". I found it very useful to have a wallpaper with all the major websites listed onto it. It is easily when you have their eyes and mind glued on the topic "fedora core" for example, on my wallpaper there were 2 addresses fedoraforum.org and fedoraproject.org. when i was talking about what is fedora and saying that this is an open source project. They pronounced the word "project" with me. same happened to the word "forum" when i said that the best way to get most of fedora is having contact with people on forums and mailing lists. This was my little experience of last night. Ive enhanced my wallpaper and posted it on kde-looks.org It would be nice if everyone shares their experience as a fedora ambassador so that other ambassadors can learn from it. regards, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwulf at redhat.com Mon Nov 21 16:49:19 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:49:19 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4381FA8F.5020902@redhat.com> Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear *, > > Well, I have started my pilgrim mission. Gosh, it was not so obvious! > > Indeed, last saturday I went to a french engineering school where I > talked to the principal about fedora and the fact to do in a first > time a fedora project presentation to students. > > He was very enthousiast to do it and told me that teachers > could also be really interested. > > During our conversation, he gave me his visit card and I was a little > bit embarassed to give him mine cause I haven't got any fedora project > vist card on me. - Could the fedora project provide us visit cards or > could we print one based on a standard available on the fedora project > web site ? - > > So he asked me where I can be reach at the fedora project. Then I had > to give him the email address coming from my company. > He was a little bit confused cause he did not understood why I gave > him an e-mail address having no relationship with the subject of our > conversation. Ok, I can admit that this kind of situation permit to > explain deeper the base of Open source and how the community works. > > However, it was not so obvious to be convincing when you are in face > of peolple who they know nothing about open source. > So, little details can be really helpful. > > Well, we talked more than hour. > > In addition, he asked me some questions which I had some difficulties > to answer. > For instance : > > - how is structured the fedora project organization - in term of > organizational tree - ? > > - Does it exist a program of partnership between schools and fedora? > > - Can they use the reference "fedora project" in there school's > presentation brochure if they are interacting with the fedora community ? > - and so on and so for ... > > Anyway, we have planned to do a presentation of fedora -overview- to > students as soon as I would have done my presentation slides and an > offcial have commited them. > > Thank you in advance if you can give the answers to the previous question. > > BTW, if you have any remarks, feel free to contact me. > > Best Regards > Fred > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]*On Behalf Of > *Chitlesh GOORAH > *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:09 PM > *To:* fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > *Subject:* [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org and experience > > Hello everyone, > Concerning the last meeting! > We talked about many stuffs. > Among these, I think tchung pointed out that it would be good > that ambassadors could get @fedoraproject.org > alias for emails. > I was wondering if its possible to get it. > > Secondly, I was among a group of friends last night "marketing > fedora core". > I found it very useful to have a wallpaper with all the major > websites listed onto it. > It is easily when you have their eyes and mind glued on the topic > "fedora core" > for example, on my wallpaper there were 2 addresses > fedoraforum.org and fedoraproject.org > . > when i was talking about what is fedora and saying that this is an > open source project. > They pronounced the word "project" with me. > same happened to the word "forum" when i said that the best way to > get most of fedora > is having contact with people on forums and mailing lists. > > This was my little experience of last night. > Ive enhanced my wallpaper and posted it on kde-looks.org > > It would be nice if everyone shares their experience as a fedora > ambassador so that other > ambassadors can learn from it. > > regards, > Chitlesh GOORAH > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Ka-ching +1 From jwulf at redhat.com Mon Nov 21 16:56:46 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:56:46 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4381FA8F.5020902@redhat.com> References: <4381FA8F.5020902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4381FC4E.1040206@redhat.com> > > > +1 On the business cards that is. Could someone make up the official template in scribus using a vector image of the logo? From gdk at redhat.com Mon Nov 21 17:07:56 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:07:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4381FC4E.1040206@redhat.com> References: <4381FA8F.5020902@redhat.com> <4381FC4E.1040206@redhat.com> Message-ID: We've got it in our queue with Red Hat designers to get a handful of designs. Probably won't hit for a couple of weeks. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > > > > > > > +1 > On the business cards that is. Could someone make up the official > template in scribus using a vector image of the logo? > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From tchung at fedoranews.org Mon Nov 21 17:17:49 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:17:49 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051121170830.M30354@fedoranews.org> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:45:19 0100, Hornain Frederic wrote > Dear *, > > Well, I have started my pilgrim mission. Gosh, it was not so obvious! > > Indeed, last saturday I went to a french engineering school where I talked to > the principal about fedora and the fact to do in a first time a fedora project > presentation to students. > > He was very enthousiast to do it and told me that teachers could also be > really interested. > > During our conversation, he gave me his visit card and I was a little bit > embarassed to give him mine cause I haven't got any fedora project vist card > on me. - Could the fedora project provide us visit cards or could we print one > based on a standard available on the fedora project web site ? - > > So he asked me where I can be reach at the fedora project. Then I had to give > him the email address coming from my company. He was a little bit confused > cause he did not understood why I gave him an e-mail address having no > relationship with the subject of our conversation. Ok, I can admit that this > kind of situation permit to explain deeper the base of Open source and how the > community works. > > However, it was not so obvious to be convincing when you are in face of > peolple who they know nothing about open source. So, little details can be > really helpful. > > Well, we talked more than hour. > > In addition, he asked me some questions which I had some difficulties to > answer. For instance : > > - how is structured the fedora project organization - in term of > organizational tree - ? > > - Does it exist a program of partnership between schools and fedora? > > - Can they use the reference "fedora project" in there school's presentation > brochure if they are interacting with the fedora community ? > > - and so on and so for ... > > Anyway, we have planned to do a presentation of fedora -overview- to students > as soon as I would have done my presentation slides and an offcial have > commited them. > > Thank you in advance if you can give the answers to the previous question. > > BTW, if you have any remarks, feel free to contact me. > > Best Regards > Fred Thank you for sharing your story with us. I feel the pain for you. As you know, we are still in transition period as far as new official logo guideline concern. Please be patience a little longer as Greg is working on with his counsel. I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Mon Nov 21 20:41:51 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:41:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors Message-ID: Hi Thomas, > I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. Yes I would like to do it however I will not be there at the next meeting - see previous mail in the mailling list -. So this what I suggest. Why do not create a kind of questions repository for the next Ambassadors meeting in order to let people who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinion ? Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 Thank you for sharing your story with us. I feel the pain for you. As you know, we are still in transition period as far as new official logo guideline concern. Please be patience a little longer as Greg is working on with his counsel. I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Tue Nov 22 04:38:27 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:38:27 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted to Ambassadors questions ? Message-ID: Dear *, Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Hornain Frederic Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:42 PM To: Thomas Chung; fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors Hi Thomas, > I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. Yes I would like to do it however I will not be there at the next meeting - see previous mail in the mailling list -. So this what I suggest. Why do not create a kind of questions repository for the next Ambassadors meeting in order to let people who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinion ? Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 Thank you for sharing your story with us. I feel the pain for you. As you know, we are still in transition period as far as new official logo guideline concern. Please be patience a little longer as Greg is working on with his counsel. I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 09:52:31 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:52:31 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted to Ambassadors questions ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0511220152g3ae3282bwf068fb39aae6bed4@mail.gmail.com> > Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. > Or maybe we should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? Hello everyone, Hornain, maybe I have a solution to your problem. Here is my story. I live in a hostel. I was able to connect to any irc servers, use webcam and also msn on gaim/kopete. Then a mere student in biology ( I named him Mr X )of my hostel was appointed the task to just troublshoot any problems encountered by the residents. He is only a mere student like me in the hostel. As I move away from windows, I told him and my group of friends how FC is stable and a great distro. I shared with them my day-to-day experience with fedora. I showed Mr. X superkaramba, transparency on kde, metisse, 3Ddesktop, and lots of nice stuffs that can't be found under windows. Sometimes (in the past, not now anymore) I did help the residents to troubleshoot their windows. Mr. X was kind of jealous because the residents preferred to come to me rather that going to ask him to. The behaviour of Mr. X towards has changed since. It's been more than a year I've wiped off my windows. Afterwards the company responsible to provide computer services to the hostel came and blocked all access to p2p. We were still able to connect to irc servers. The following is what my girlfriend and I think.(but we are sure about it) Mr. X. managed to do some research and blocked access to msn-servers with gaim. Now I can't access msn-servers with gaim/kopete. Noone (even those who uses windows) can use their webcam to communicate. He can't undo what he did. Because of a mere lamer who just wants to make my experience with my FC bitter, i can't use gaim/kopete, irc, webcam, cvs, creating my own webserver. Based on this, its just a personal thing between him and me. Since I didn't SIGNED anything about any policies and even heard any verbal announcement, I use http://www.vengefuldeath.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi to connect to irc.freenode.net Coming to what Sett Vidal said, >If there are policies in place at your place of work to restrict access >to irc then I do not think it is an act of good faith for the fedora >project to provide you with a mechanism to circumvent those policies >and/or break those rules. I'm not circumvent any policies. But I agree with Sett Vidal if anyone of connecting to irc is forbiddened where they connect, then it is not in good faith towards fedora core. regards Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoranews.org Tue Nov 22 20:17:44 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:17:44 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted to Ambassadors questions ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051122201442.M5140@fedoranews.org> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:38:27 +0100, Hornain Frederic wrote > Dear *, > > Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would > not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to > talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we > should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? > > BR > Fred Since you are not able to attend IRC meeting, would you post your FAQs in the following page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Tue Nov 22 20:43:54 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:43:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted toAmbassadors questions ? Message-ID: Thanks a lot Thomas. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted toAmbassadors questions ? On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:38:27 +0100, Hornain Frederic wrote > Dear *, > > Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would > not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to > talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we > should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? > > BR > Fred Since you are not able to attend IRC meeting, would you post your FAQs in the following page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Nov 23 13:05:49 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:05:49 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Presentation Message-ID: Dear *, FYI, I have done Fedora Presentation draft based on Warren Togami's and Tejas Dinkar's Documents. And I would like to use it to promote Fedora Linux, and Open Source. Does it have to be approved by someone ? You could retreive it at the following URL : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=MyFedoraPresentation22112005.sxi.zip Thanks in advance for your comments. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted toAmbassadors questions ? On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:38:27 +0100, Hornain Frederic wrote > Dear *, > > Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would > not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to > talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we > should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? > > BR > Fred Since you are not able to attend IRC meeting, would you post your FAQs in the following page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From tchung at fedoranews.org Thu Nov 24 05:25:31 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:25:31 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5-Test1 DVD iso Message-ID: <20051124052227.M60842@fedoranews.org> Hi All, I was able create FC5-Test1 DVD iso using Chris Kloiber's script: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-October/msg00736.html If you are interested in, please email me privately. Happy Thanksgiving! -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 16:49:01 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes November 24, 14-15 UTC Message-ID: <7f617d270511240849i17c32913l52e779c2607b46cd@mail.gmail.com> Next Ambassadors Meeting: Thursday, December 1, 2005 at 22:00:00 UTC Berlin: Thu Dec 1, 11:00 PM Brisbane: Fri, Dec 2, 8:00 AM Mumbai: Fri Dec 2, 3:30 AM New York: Thu Dec 1, 5:00 PM Attending: Bob Jensen, Jon Fautley, Hrishikesh Ballal, Alex Maier Discussed: Upcoming events: Third Saturday in January is post Christmas Installfest for Bob Jensen's LUG. Each installfest starts with a bit of education/proganda. The last installfest had 15 new users, 12 of them installed Fedora. Bob will put in a request for schwag after he has the final date. Jon Fautley is giving a talk to a University LUG tonight. He will give a general overview of Fedora, the development cycle, included apps, etc... jon has enough supplies for this event. Hrishikesh Ballal will have a local LUG meeting coming up next month, but because he is in the process of moving, he will not be able to attend. Hrishikesh will post a note to the fedora-marketing-list to recruit volunteers to jump in for him. User Testimonials Bob Jensen uses Fedora in his business and at client sites for workstations. He has 15 businesses using Linux in some way, about 230 workstations total in his area. Bob is completing a client project in the next week, the client has said he would agree to submit a user testimonial. Bob will post to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/UserTestimonials Fedora Schwag leftovers Alex Maier has some Fedora T-Shirts and FUDCon wristbands left over from the previos event in the basement of the Red Hat office in Munich. She will be in Munich late in December and will distribute the shirts between European Ambassadors. The wristbands will be shipped to RDU in order to be taken to the next FUDCon. Meeting Times In order to accommodate different time zones, we will attempt an experiment in th ecoming weeks: Every other week, the meeting will be held at 22 UTC and in the weeks inbetween the meeting will be held at 14 UTC. Let us see how this works. See you all next week, Alex -- New content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org Fedora Ambassadors From jwulf at redhat.com Sat Nov 26 09:02:42 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:02:42 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes November 24, 14-15 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270511240849i17c32913l52e779c2607b46cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270511240849i17c32913l52e779c2607b46cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438824B2.7020900@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > Next Ambassadors Meeting: > Thursday, December 1, 2005 at 22:00:00 UTC > Berlin: Thu Dec 1, 11:00 PM > Brisbane: Fri, Dec 2, 8:00 AM > Mumbai: Fri Dec 2, 3:30 AM > New York: Thu Dec 1, 5:00 PM > > > Meeting Times > > In order to accommodate different time zones, we will attempt an > experiment in th ecoming weeks: Every other week, the meeting will be > held at 22 UTC and in the weeks inbetween the meeting will be held at > 14 UTC. > Awesome! My apologies for this round though - on that day I will be in New Zealand and far away from Internet access (it will be 11am there). --josh From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Tue Nov 29 16:07:15 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:07:15 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM -Brussel- Message-ID: Dear Alex, Following our previous mail - see below (ref : #2) -, I have contacted the FOSDEM Team - see below (ref : #1) - in order to get more information about this event. So now, I am going to represent definitvely Fedora at the FOSDEM in Brussel. I am not going to be the only one. >Just to give you an idea of the event, here are the other folks having stands at FOSDEM 2006 (at >least, up to now): O'Reilly, FSF, Gnomemeeting, Debian, OpenGroupware, GNUstep, Mozilla Foundation, >openWengo, Jabber and openSUSE >(as you can see, you'll be in nice company) As soon as possible I am going to update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents web page So as you have already organized such events, maybe you could give me one or two advices. For instance, do I have to only install Fedora on PC ? Or maybe specific implementations like Xen... In addition, I will have need to get some advertising boards, banners, Fedora CDs/Live CDs, some swags, Buisiness cards and so on... BTW I think I will be one day at the "solution Linux" in Paris, but it is not sure yet. BR Fred Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list /#1////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hornain Frederic wrote: >> Dear Arnaud, Dear Pascal, >> Thanks a lot ! >> >> One or two things again, >> Could you tell how the event takes place ? Or where can I retreive this information ? >> Do you have any procedures for stand installation ? >> When can I come to install it. >> Do you need somethings ? >> And so on so for. >> Weel, all information related to stands which can help me. > >Sure. > >The event takes place on Saturday 25 and Sunday 26 February, at the Solbosch campus (ULB) in >Brussels. We use the buildings H and A for the event. > >Stands are located in the building H, down the long hall that goes from the main entrance and our >information desk to the end of the building, serving access to the various rooms (where we have the >so-called "devrooms", where projects make talks, conferences, ...). Note that we also have a lot of >devrooms in the A-building but no stands over there. >The main talks are held in much larger rooms, in other buildings. Nevertheless, there's a big crowd >going up & down the hall all the time (Saturday is particularely busy). > >We actually kick off the event at 10:30 on Saturday, with our 2 introductory talks in the largest >room (Janson, 1400 seats) and there are no other activities taking place during that time (until 12:30). > >So for the devrooms and the stands, the effective kick-off is at around 12:30. >You can come to the H building from 09:00 on (on Saturday), at the information desk at the main >entrace, and we'll point you to the table that has been assigned to your stand. >You'll have plenty of time to build up your stand then. >Note that we provide you with the following: >- - wireless internet connectivity >- - power (but make sure to bring along your plugs) >- - a table (width between 1m60 and 1m80) >- - 2 or 3 chairs, depending on what you need > >We'll do our best to give network connectivity (only wireless for the stands) as early as possible, >we but only "guarantee" it from 12:00 on. Nevertheless, it will most probably be available from, >say, 10:00 on (our network staff works hard but it's a large area to service). > >We close doors on 18:00 (both days). Sunday starts at 09:00. > >We provide a hardware insurance to cover the stuff you'll bring along (notebook, etc...). >But you have to send us the following information for every piece of hardware: >- - hardware type (notebook, switch, ...) >- - vendor and model (e.g. Dell Latitude D800) > >- - an approximation of its _current_ value >- - a unique identifier or serial number that's visible on it >Note that the insurance is free of charge. Entrance, participation, devrooms and stands are free as >well. We welcome donations though ;) > >Just to give you an idea of the event, here are the other folks having stands at FOSDEM 2006 (at >least, up to now): O'Reilly, FSF, Gnomemeeting, Debian, OpenGroupware, GNUstep, Mozilla Foundation, >openWengo, Jabber and openSUSE >(as you can see, you'll be in nice company) > >Devrooms: KDE, Embedded development, Mozilla, OpenGroupware/GNUstep, openSUSE, Tcl/tk, Jabber, GNU >Classpath, X.org, Calibre, Ada, Debian, GNOME. > >+ the main tracks and the many speakers > >Hope this helps ;) > >If you have any more questions, feel free to contact us => stands at fosdem.org > >cheers >- -- > -o) Pascal Bleser http://www.fosdem.org > /\\ FOSDEM 2006 :: 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels > _\_v Free and Opensource Software Developers European Meeting /#2////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >-----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:43 PM >To: Hornain Frederic >Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM -Brussel- > > >Frederic, > >I think you definitely will need a network connection. Please do not >forget to bring a computer or two to demo Fedora. >The number of tables you need depends on how many people will be there >with you representing Fedora. If you have three or less, one table is >enough, because otherwise it will look empty. > >Please let me know what else I can help you with, >a > On 11/25/05, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear Alex, > > I intend to represent the Fedora Project at the FOSDEM http://www.fosdem.org/ in Brussel -Belgium -. > Could you help me to prepare that ? it will be nice. > > For the moment I have already contated the persons who are in charge of this event > They just ask me if I need to get network and if I need one or two tables. > > I have to confirm it. > Waiting after you reply. > > If you have any remarks, do not hesitate to contact me. > > BR > Fred From gdk at redhat.com Tue Nov 29 16:32:20 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:32:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM -Brussel- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You go, Fred. :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear Alex, > > Following our previous mail - see below (ref : #2) -, I have contacted the FOSDEM Team - see below (ref : #1) - in order to get more information about this event. > > So now, I am going to represent definitvely Fedora at the FOSDEM in Brussel. > I am not going to be the only one. > > >Just to give you an idea of the event, here are the other folks having stands at FOSDEM 2006 (at > >least, up to now): O'Reilly, FSF, Gnomemeeting, Debian, OpenGroupware, GNUstep, Mozilla Foundation, > >openWengo, Jabber and openSUSE > >(as you can see, you'll be in nice company) > > As soon as possible I am going to update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents web page > > So as you have already organized such events, maybe you could give me one or two advices. > For instance, do I have to only install Fedora on PC ? Or maybe specific implementations like Xen... > > In addition, I will have need to get some advertising boards, banners, Fedora CDs/Live CDs, some swags, Buisiness cards and so on... > > BTW I think I will be one day at the "solution Linux" in Paris, but it is not sure yet. > > BR > Fred > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > /#1////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Hornain Frederic wrote: > >> Dear Arnaud, Dear Pascal, > >> Thanks a lot ! > >> > >> One or two things again, > >> Could you tell how the event takes place ? Or where can I retreive this information ? > >> Do you have any procedures for stand installation ? > >> When can I come to install it. > >> Do you need somethings ? > >> And so on so for. > >> Weel, all information related to stands which can help me. > > > >Sure. > > > >The event takes place on Saturday 25 and Sunday 26 February, at the Solbosch campus (ULB) in > >Brussels. We use the buildings H and A for the event. > > > >Stands are located in the building H, down the long hall that goes from the main entrance and our > >information desk to the end of the building, serving access to the various rooms (where we have the > >so-called "devrooms", where projects make talks, conferences, ...). Note that we also have a lot of > >devrooms in the A-building but no stands over there. > >The main talks are held in much larger rooms, in other buildings. Nevertheless, there's a big crowd > >going up & down the hall all the time (Saturday is particularely busy). > > > >We actually kick off the event at 10:30 on Saturday, with our 2 introductory talks in the largest > >room (Janson, 1400 seats) and there are no other activities taking place during that time (until 12:30). > > > >So for the devrooms and the stands, the effective kick-off is at around 12:30. > >You can come to the H building from 09:00 on (on Saturday), at the information desk at the main > >entrace, and we'll point you to the table that has been assigned to your stand. > >You'll have plenty of time to build up your stand then. > >Note that we provide you with the following: > >- - wireless internet connectivity > >- - power (but make sure to bring along your plugs) > >- - a table (width between 1m60 and 1m80) > >- - 2 or 3 chairs, depending on what you need > > > >We'll do our best to give network connectivity (only wireless for the stands) as early as possible, > >we but only "guarantee" it from 12:00 on. Nevertheless, it will most probably be available from, > >say, 10:00 on (our network staff works hard but it's a large area to service). > > > >We close doors on 18:00 (both days). Sunday starts at 09:00. > > > >We provide a hardware insurance to cover the stuff you'll bring along (notebook, etc...). > >But you have to send us the following information for every piece of hardware: > >- - hardware type (notebook, switch, ...) > >- - vendor and model (e.g. Dell Latitude D800) > > > >- - an approximation of its _current_ value > >- - a unique identifier or serial number that's visible on it > >Note that the insurance is free of charge. Entrance, participation, devrooms and stands are free as > >well. We welcome donations though ;) > > > >Just to give you an idea of the event, here are the other folks having stands at FOSDEM 2006 (at > >least, up to now): O'Reilly, FSF, Gnomemeeting, Debian, OpenGroupware, GNUstep, Mozilla Foundation, > >openWengo, Jabber and openSUSE > >(as you can see, you'll be in nice company) > > > >Devrooms: KDE, Embedded development, Mozilla, OpenGroupware/GNUstep, openSUSE, Tcl/tk, Jabber, GNU > >Classpath, X.org, Calibre, Ada, Debian, GNOME. > > > >+ the main tracks and the many speakers > > > >Hope this helps ;) > > > >If you have any more questions, feel free to contact us => stands at fosdem.org > > > >cheers > >- -- > > -o) Pascal Bleser http://www.fosdem.org > > /\\ FOSDEM 2006 :: 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels > > _\_v Free and Opensource Software Developers European Meeting > > /#2////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >-----Original Message----- > >Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:43 PM > >To: Hornain Frederic > >Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM -Brussel- > > > > > >Frederic, > > > >I think you definitely will need a network connection. Please do not > >forget to bring a computer or two to demo Fedora. > > >The number of tables you need depends on how many people will be there > >with you representing Fedora. If you have three or less, one table is > >enough, because otherwise it will look empty. > > > >Please let me know what else I can help you with, > >a > > > On 11/25/05, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > Dear Alex, > > > > I intend to represent the Fedora Project at the FOSDEM http://www.fosdem.org/ in Brussel -Belgium -. > > Could you help me to prepare that ? it will be nice. > > > > For the moment I have already contated the persons who are in charge of this event > > They just ask me if I need to get network and if I need one or two tables. > > > > I have to confirm it. > > Waiting after you reply. > > > > If you have any remarks, do not hesitate to contact me. > > > > BR > > Fred > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Nov 30 07:39:53 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors Message-ID: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> We need to establish a clear policy now with regard to how many Ambassadors we want in each region. The original aim of the CMC program was to have one contact in each nation, with two in the larger nations. We now have more than this listed in some places. I have no objections to allowing Ambassadors to have assistants, but we need to, IMHO, keep the window between the Fedora Project and Ambassadors relatively narrow. What we need is a policy that states what kind of concentration we want for Ambassadors and how we handle pruning of inactive or deviant Ambassadors to make room for more active and reliable volunteers. If we want to establish a process to assist Ambassadors in enlisting helpers, I think that would be great. The very idea of an ambassador in other contexts is to provide a single, key point-of-contact between two entities. Ambassadors act as the diplomatic leads, providing the gateway between nations and mediating the relationship. They will always have people assisting them in their goals, but the ambassador themselves has no competing equivalent. I think that having two Ambassadors per nation would be wise, but not the four or more we already have listed for some nations. If we need to introduce some kind of 'embassy' to help Ambassadors coordinate between each other and with other help, we can do that, but we should avoid going crazy introducing new Ambassadors. Opinions? -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gdk at redhat.com Wed Nov 30 13:02:31 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:02:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> References: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> Message-ID: I'm far more concerned about not having enough ambassadors in each region, to be honest. For instance: India has, what, a billion people? And Brazil is how large? If our goal is saturation, then we're going to need more than two people per billion to accomplish that goal. Now I will agree that, going forward, we need to be increasingly clear about the specific responsibilities of Ambassadors. But so long as the Ambassadors are all communicating openly with one another, on this list, then "too many Ambassadors" is a good problem to have. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote: > We need to establish a clear policy now with regard to how many > Ambassadors we want in each region. The original aim of the CMC program > was to have one contact in each nation, with two in the larger nations. > We now have more than this listed in some places. I have no objections > to allowing Ambassadors to have assistants, but we need to, IMHO, keep > the window between the Fedora Project and Ambassadors relatively > narrow. What we need is a policy that states what kind of concentration > we want for Ambassadors and how we handle pruning of inactive or deviant > Ambassadors to make room for more active and reliable volunteers. If we > want to establish a process to assist Ambassadors in enlisting helpers, > I think that would be great. The very idea of an ambassador in other > contexts is to provide a single, key point-of-contact between two > entities. Ambassadors act as the diplomatic leads, providing the > gateway between nations and mediating the relationship. They will > always have people assisting them in their goals, but the ambassador > themselves has no competing equivalent. I think that having two > Ambassadors per nation would be wise, but not the four or more we > already have listed for some nations. If we need to introduce some kind > of 'embassy' to help Ambassadors coordinate between each other and with > other help, we can do that, but we should avoid going crazy introducing > new Ambassadors. Opinions? > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > www.n-man.com > -- > > > > From glauber.reis at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 14:08:05 2005 From: glauber.reis at gmail.com (Glauber Reis) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:08:05 -0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <510ac3260511300606g63dc6818m378f49bb912231b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> <510ac3260511300606g63dc6818m378f49bb912231b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <510ac3260511300608j7e428675g7bf767f2934492a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: > We need to establish a clear policy now with regard to how many > Ambassadors we want in each region. The original aim of the CMC program > was to have one contact in each nation, with two in the larger nations. > We now have more than this listed in some places. I have no objections > to allowing Ambassadors to have assistants, but we need to, IMHO, keep > the window between the Fedora Project and Ambassadors relatively > narrow. What we need is a policy that states what kind of concentration > we want for Ambassadors and how we handle pruning of inactive or deviant > Ambassadors to make room for more active and reliable volunteers. If we > want to establish a process to assist Ambassadors in enlisting helpers, > I think that would be great. The very idea of an ambassador in other > contexts is to provide a single, key point-of-contact between two > entities. Ambassadors act as the diplomatic leads, providing the > gateway between nations and mediating the relationship. They will > always have people assisting them in their goals, but the ambassador > themselves has no competing equivalent. I think that having two > Ambassadors per nation would be wise, but not the four or more we > already have listed for some nations. If we need to introduce some kind > of 'embassy' to help Ambassadors coordinate between each other and with > other help, we can do that, but we should avoid going crazy introducing > new Ambassadors. Opinions? > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > www.n-man.com > -- > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > Hello, all. I am the latest addition to the list of Ambassadors (brazilian ones) and I' ve got some comments on this issue (as I think I might have triggered it). First off, I will list some motives why people like me are trying to foster the adoption of Fedora in the local (Brazil and South America as well) population. Secondly, I will try and explain why I think that having such a small number of Ambassador (in some particular situation) is no good. I've been present at many brazilian events related to Software Livre/Software Libre/Free Software and what I have noticed was a total lack of (Fedora)presence to the point that it started bothering me, so I went to Fedora Project website and looked for information as to how to try and make it be a bit more present (locally). At the time(last weekend), I was not aware of the existence of brazilian Ambassadors and got very happy to know they are there and that I could help out. Another point that bothers me is that people I know are switching from Fedora to another distro, not because Fedora lacks something(technically), but because other distros are showing themselves off a bit more aggressively. We all, in South America, are countries in development. I will focus on Brazil but I think my opinion applies for other countries that share the same problems. Here in Brazil we try and use Software Livre as a tool for *inclusion* into the "digital world" (we call it inclus?o digital) and we are very serious about it. We try, that way, make the *knowledge* available to the ones that can not get it by themselves(even though we have not gotten to the point of having it stated in our Constitution like our brothers from Venezuela). But it is not only that, Software Livre helps us break the chains that make us simply "market" to be exploited and helps us understand that we have history, territory...particular characteristics, culture. We are a very, very big country, we are 180 millions and I am convinced that, one way or another, Software Livre will help us out when it comes to the development of our nation. Fedora as a *Software Livre* tool may help in this whole process, but how can we make it present at events around our (huge)country since we have only 4(me inclusive) ones that want to advocate (even though on of us lives outside the country)? Brazil has many (locally) important events, and quoting Jon "maddog" Hall..."maybe, too many?", but because they are many, we have more opportunity to make Fedora visible and foster it in "social projects". I think advocating Fedora only to make it visible(there are many other good distros) is no value in our country, we have to overcome it and turn Fedora into an active tool inside our Software Livre cause, that way it can help us overcome some of our social problems. So, I think for a country as big and as full of social problems as Brazil, 5 or 6 Ambassadors spread around the country(that way we can be present at each important event) would be good to try and make Fedora available as a real tool in our Software Livre movement. Again, we have to promote Fedora as one tool in our local Software Livre movement and only after that, promote Fedora for being our beloved Linux distro. __ Glauber Adriano From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 14:43:40 2005 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:13:40 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> References: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> Message-ID: <438DBA9C.4070400@gmail.com> Patrick Barnes wrote: > We need to establish a clear policy now with regard to how many > Ambassadors we want in each region. [snipped] As long as there is open and transparent communication between the members and the Fedora Ambassador Community, the number of persons across a country should not pose a problem For a nation as wide as India, this might be a good thing also. Regards Sankarshan -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw From tchung at fedoranews.org Wed Nov 30 17:52:12 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:52:12 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> References: <438D5749.6020006@n-man.com> Message-ID: <20051130175128.M29569@fedoranews.org> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:39:53 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote > I think that having two > Ambassadors per nation would be wise, but not the four or more we > already have listed for some nations. As for USA, I was thinking more of 2 per state. But again, some state is bigger than others. California can be broken down to Northern California and Southern California. -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!"