From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 3 18:34:20 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:34:20 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Questions In-Reply-To: <1143135157.2954.9.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> References: <1143135157.2954.9.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604031134y5610afby92cf2f6cae2ad11c@mail.gmail.com> > But there is no doubt, that we need to organize a FUDCon later on in the > year; after the football world championship as a trinational event > between FRANCE, GERMANY and SWITZERLAND. > > But for now I need to get the following information from you all: > > How many auditorium do we need? > How many addional rooms? > How many tables and booths? > > How many people will attend approximate? > > Please feel free and give me all information you have that we can arange > a great FUDCon in EMEA ... > > Thanks in advance and happy new FC5 :-) > -- > Regards > > Gerold Kassube These are indeed information which need to bring forward. Those who have already organised FUDCons before, can you please share some of the materials you've worked on besides slides at Marketing/Slides I mean: draft templates / letters, a list of tools needed etc.... I'm trying to push forward a little Fedora Users community here in Strasbourg (freshly started). If everything goes fine, we might organise at least a mini FUDCon this year or next year. Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 3 20:15:05 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:15:05 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Questions In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604031134y5610afby92cf2f6cae2ad11c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143135157.2954.9.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <13dbfe4f0604031134y5610afby92cf2f6cae2ad11c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144095305.5703.3.camel@fedora> Hmm, if I have money, I'll try to participate :) Regards, Pawel Sadowski On 03-04-2006, mon at 20:34 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > But there is no doubt, that we need to organize a FUDCon later on in the > > year; after the football world championship as a trinational event > > between FRANCE, GERMANY and SWITZERLAND. > > > > But for now I need to get the following information from you all: > > > > How many auditorium do we need? > > How many addional rooms? > > How many tables and booths? > > > > How many people will attend approximate? > > > > Please feel free and give me all information you have that we can arange > > a great FUDCon in EMEA ... > > > > Thanks in advance and happy new FC5 :-) > > -- > > Regards > > > > Gerold Kassube > > These are indeed information which need to bring forward. > > Those who have already organised FUDCons before, can you please share > some of the materials you've worked on besides slides at > Marketing/Slides > > I mean: > draft templates / letters, a list of tools needed etc.... > > I'm trying to push forward a little Fedora Users community here in > Strasbourg (freshly started). If everything goes fine, we might > organise at least a mini FUDCon this year or next year. > > Chitlesh Goorah From halaba at o2.pl Tue Apr 4 20:54:43 2006 From: halaba at o2.pl (merlin) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:54:43 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Questions In-Reply-To: <1144095305.5703.3.camel@fedora> References: <1143135157.2954.9.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <13dbfe4f0604031134y5610afby92cf2f6cae2ad11c@mail.gmail.com> <1144095305.5703.3.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <4432DD13.4080101@o2.pl> Pawel Sadowski wrote: >Hmm, if I have money, I'll try to participate :) > >Regards, >Pawel Sadowski > > >On 03-04-2006, mon at 20:34 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > >>>But there is no doubt, that we need to organize a FUDCon later on in the >>>year; after the football world championship as a trinational event >>>between FRANCE, GERMANY and SWITZERLAND. >>> >>>But for now I need to get the following information from you all: >>> >>>How many auditorium do we need? >>>How many addional rooms? >>>How many tables and booths? >>> >>>How many people will attend approximate? >>> >>>Please feel free and give me all information you have that we can arange >>>a great FUDCon in EMEA ... >>> >>>Thanks in advance and happy new FC5 :-) >>>-- >>>Regards >>> >>>Gerold Kassube >>> >>> >>These are indeed information which need to bring forward. >> >>Those who have already organised FUDCons before, can you please share >>some of the materials you've worked on besides slides at >>Marketing/Slides >> >>I mean: >>draft templates / letters, a list of tools needed etc.... >> >>I'm trying to push forward a little Fedora Users community here in >>Strasbourg (freshly started). If everything goes fine, we might >>organise at least a mini FUDCon this year or next year. >> >>Chitlesh Goorah >> >> > > >-- >Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Apr 5 13:33:12 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Community videographers for FUDCon (fwd) Message-ID: Anyone know anyone who might be able to help? --Max ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Max Spevack To: fedora-list at redhat.com Subject: Community videographers for FUDCon Hi folks, So FUDCon Boston is on Friday, and we (meaning the FUDCon organizers) would really appreciate some additional help from the community in the form of video. We'd like to be able to videotape as many of the talks as possible, and get them into a state where they can be editied together and distributed on the fedoraproject wiki or over bittorrent. Are there any community folks out there (probably in the Boston area) who were planning on attending, and who have these sorts of skills, and the ability/desire to help us out? Please contact me, Greg DeKoenigsberg, or Jack Aboutboul if you are interested (or come find us at LinuxWorld). Greg and Jack's emails are available off of fedoraproject.org Thanks, Max -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From halaba at o2.pl Thu Apr 6 08:01:15 2006 From: halaba at o2.pl (merlin) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:01:15 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Problem Message-ID: <4434CACB.5000006@o2.pl> Hello We have in zabrze a club for children, they paint and do homowork in it. I want to learn children about linux but they dont have money for buy a computer for them, I look for same people who want to give a money for 5 or 6 computers do you now any sponosrs who can be interested in?? From othonbatista at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 11:17:22 2006 From: othonbatista at gmail.com (Othon Batista) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:17:22 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Presenting Myself Message-ID: <4082f59b0604060417r3ee44768ld164f86ea82a3c11@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm a professor at two universities in Salvador/BA, Brazil. Responsible for two Fedora Core Linux Labs, one in each university. We have a free software group in both universities, and I do my best to spread Fedora Project. And I teach a course denominated Operating System Administration, in which Fedora Core Linux is the main subject. Soon, we'll have a national free software festival and I'll surely talk about Fedora. By the way, I'm in the Free Media Project and I have a suggestion for the ambassadors that do it too: we need a design to put in the DVD labels and boxes that we send. An amateur design may compromise Fedora Project. If we already have it, please tell me how to get it. Regards, -- Othon Batista (othonbatista at gmail.com) Computer Science MSc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 6 17:42:34 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:12:34 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Presenting Myself In-Reply-To: <4082f59b0604060417r3ee44768ld164f86ea82a3c11@mail.gmail.com> References: <4082f59b0604060417r3ee44768ld164f86ea82a3c11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144345354.24151.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 08:17 -0300, Othon Batista wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a professor at two universities in Salvador/BA, Brazil. > Responsible for two Fedora Core Linux Labs, one in each university. We > have a free software group in both universities, and I do my best to > spread Fedora Project. And I teach a course denominated Operating > System Administration, in which Fedora Core Linux is the main subject. > Soon, we'll have a national free software festival and I'll surely > talk about Fedora. > > By the way, I'm in the Free Media Project and I have a suggestion for > the ambassadors that do it too: we need a design to put in the DVD > labels and boxes that we send. An amateur design may compromise Fedora > Project. If we already have it, please tell me how to get it. Welcome to the Ambassadors project. We dont have a design published for the media labels yet but we are working on it. Rahul From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Apr 7 12:56:13 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:56:13 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Resources for FISL - Porto Alegre - Brasil Message-ID: <4436616D.1050605@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I need a reply urgently about the resources for the FISL. We have only one week to make the shirts, banners, flyers and DVDs - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFENmFtPg3HAC1vlg4RAmC+AJ9O8KeSCr235CG6NSNuyrrQi1fUuQCfYoX0 vtt0mBzoGVZR5wFZFDj/8RI= =BzYt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linuxdominatrix at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 17:43:27 2006 From: linuxdominatrix at gmail.com (Rohan Dighe) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:13:27 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Talk at the BLUG In-Reply-To: <1143380536.2415.8.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143380536.2415.8.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <8f6eaac0604081043m22985ae2je2da3f4b652517cc@mail.gmail.com> > For now, you can get some photos. > > All photos of the whole meet here: > http://blug.in/image/tid/17 > > A Photo of Me, with my talk is here: > http://blug.in/node/155 > > In particular, during my talk, I stressed on how Fedora Core 5 has > dramatically improved for the Laptop. > > The photo of the demo I gave is here: > http://blug.in/node/159 > > And apart from this, the slides will be up soon. > > The talk itself was aimed to help train *speakers* in my lug. Sort of > Like American Idol style. > > At the end, I was told that I gave my talk a bit too fast, so that is > something I need to work on. > sorry to say but the links aren't working thank you ! Rohan Dighe From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 00:45:08 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:45:08 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> Fedora might not have a booth as .org (here in Strasbourg, France), great !!!! After more than two hours of discussion (on thursday night) with local LUGs members about Fedora's presence as an organization, it might happened that I can't convince my lugs members (and myself). I WAS introduced to the Fedora Project. It all started with : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006-April/msg00016.html (which I haven't read before) versus the initial objectives of the Fedora Project. Below are some of the topics discussed, please don't try to fool me around with URLS. I've already made myself a fool today, (thanks) and if there's no CONCRETE information given to Fedora Ambassadors, personally The Fedora Ambassador project needs to be revised. I've nothing against with Red Hat but instead I feel that Fedora is making a fool out of us, free contributors. #001 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE KDE will be Extras soon for the release of Fedora Core 7, according to UnleashKDE. Really unleash isn't the right word here, it sounds like DUMPING KDE. Question 1a: The Fedora Project is a community driven project, sponsored by Red Hat. But here, it shows clearly that there are 2 groups, Red Hat and Community. In this wiki page, there's a lot of 'Red Hat's. Answer 1a: To answer this Q1, I've listed the authors on this wiki page : RahulSundaram : (starter) Red Hat Rex Dieter : Community PatrickBarnes : Community, I guess from my private chat on IRC with him. Question 1b: Fedora Ambassadors are requested to stay neutral concerning KDE and GNOME. It is clear that moving KDE from Core to Extras this is not Neutral!! Answer 1b: It doesn't make any difference because anaconda will have integrated features to choose Extras packages during the Install. Personal thoughts: Fedora will turn out to be like Ubuntu, where there will be paid developpers from Canonical to work on gnome. And also this contradicts greg's words on the Umeet Conference: http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora @gregdek * And Fedora Ambassadors, in which we encourage individuals to be advocates for Fedora, Linux and open source in their communities, and to whom we provide as much support as we can in doing these things. This means that we, the community and Fedora ambassadors, shall advocate KDE with Fedora, since there sounds like to be a division between Red Hat and Community. Ambassadors were once told in the Ambassador wiki page to redirect any discussions concerning RedHat towards RedHat representatives. This statement is not longer available on the wiki. Why ? #002 -- #004 TO BE CONTINUED !! Just to end (for today), how can the community help the project if event organizers such as Linuxtag (Wiesbaden) does not consider Fedora as an organisation ? It's true that now, Mac's email is supporting Linuxtag's statement. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Apr 9 02:55:51 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:55:51 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604082155.54351.nman64@n-man.com> On Saturday 08 April 2006 19:45, "Chitlesh GOORAH" wrote: > Fedora might not have a booth as .org (here in Strasbourg, France), great > !!!! > > After more than two hours of discussion (on thursday night) with local > LUGs members about Fedora's presence as an organization, it might > happened that I can't convince my lugs members (and myself). I WAS > introduced to the Fedora Project. > > It all started with : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006-April/msg00016.ht >ml (which I haven't read before) > versus the initial objectives of the Fedora Project. Maintaining Fedora is more important that creating an independent organization for it. If we created the Fedora Foundation and made it responsible for everything, it would be impossible for Red Hat to provide the massive contributions and sponsorship that it currently does. The contributions Red Hat could make would be dependent upon how much is collected from the community, which couldn't even come close to what would be required for a non-profit foundation. Without the massive contributions from Red Hat, the Fedora Project would be impossible to maintain. This is really the single biggest reason not to create the foundation. The other reasons outlined in the announcement can be considered secondary. > > Below are some of the topics discussed, please don't try to fool me > around with URLS. > > I've already made myself a fool today, (thanks) and if there's no > CONCRETE information given to Fedora Ambassadors, personally The > Fedora Ambassador project needs to be revised. What more concrete information are you looking for? All of the facts are public information. > > I've nothing against with Red Hat but instead I feel that Fedora is > making a fool out of us, free contributors. > > #001 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE > > KDE will be Extras soon for the release of Fedora Core 7, according to > UnleashKDE. This is only a proposal, not an official plan. > Really unleash isn't the right word here, it sounds like DUMPING KDE. > > Question 1a: > The Fedora Project is a community driven project, sponsored by Red > Hat. But here, it shows clearly that there are 2 groups, Red Hat and > Community. In this wiki page, there's a lot of 'Red Hat's. Red Hat, up to this point, has maintained Fedora Core almost entirely on its own, without much involvement from the community. Fedora Extras, on the other hand, is a massive community effort that has a number of contributors from the community as well as from Red Hat. The Infrastructure team is working to open up Core to the community more. This distinction is what that page addresses. Fedora is a community project, but Red Hat's position and involvement cannot be ignored. The distinction between Red Hat and the community is necessary to measure where the project is and where it is going. > > Answer 1a: > To answer this Q1, I've listed the authors on this wiki page : > RahulSundaram : (starter) Red Hat > Rex Dieter : Community > PatrickBarnes : Community, I guess from my private chat on IRC with him. Yes, I am a community member, not a Red Hat employee, and I am the original ad principal author of the document. > > Question 1b: > Fedora Ambassadors are requested to stay neutral concerning KDE and > GNOME. It is clear that moving KDE from Core to Extras this is not > Neutral!! You have to remember that we wish to meld Core and Extras to a point where users do not make the distinction. GNOME is, and will continue to be, the default desktop for Fedora. Moving KDE to Extras allows a default installation to consume less space on the distribution media and also reduces the risk of confusion among new Linux users over the desktop environments. > > Answer 1b: > It doesn't make any difference because anaconda will have integrated > features to choose Extras packages during the Install. > > Personal thoughts: > Fedora will turn out to be like Ubuntu, where there will be paid > developpers from Canonical to work on gnome. > And also this contradicts greg's words on the Umeet Conference: > http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora > @gregdek * And Fedora Ambassadors, in which we encourage individuals > to be advocates for Fedora, Linux and open source in their > communities, and to whom we provide as much support as we can in doing > these things. Red Hat has had paid developers working on GNOME since long before the creation of Fedora and certainly long before Ubuntu ever even existed. With all of the commercial sponsorship of GNOME, nobody complains. Why is the situation so different for Fedora? It certainly shouldn't be. It isn't like Red Hat could ever "take back" Fedora -- it could be easily forked by the community if Red Hat decided to discontinue their support. The licenses surrounding Fedora guarantee that. I would be a the forefront of that effort if Red Hat betrayed Fedora, but they have no reason to. It would not be in their best interests, and I do not believe they would ever do so. They continue to fund projects that do not directly contribute to the technologies they pull into RHEL, such as the Ambassadors project, and will keep doing so for the foreseeable future. > > This means that we, the community and Fedora ambassadors, shall > advocate KDE with Fedora, since there sounds like to be a division > between Red Hat and Community. The division is only a logistical one. Ambassadors can advocate the availability of KDE, but should make it clear that GNOME is the default. The full package sets of both Core and Extras should be pushed by Ambassadors without any special preference for one option over another. > > Ambassadors were once told in the Ambassador wiki page to redirect any > discussions concerning RedHat towards RedHat representatives. > This statement is not longer available on the wiki. Why ? I don't know where this statement was printed, but it remains true. Fedora Ambassadors cannot speak on behalf of Red Hat, so matters that are specific to Red Hat should be referred to Red Hat's teams. > > #002 -- #004 TO BE CONTINUED !! > > Just to end (for today), how can the community help the project if > event organizers such as Linuxtag (Wiesbaden) does not consider Fedora > as an organisation ? It's true that now, Mac's email is supporting > Linuxtag's statement. > Fedora is not the only community distribution that is entirely sponsored by a larger commercial entity. Many of these events' organizers have their favorite distributions to which they will be loyal, but even those distributions are rarely independent of commercial interests. Event organizers who pick and choose who they will support among free distributions are only damaging the advancement of free Linux solutions. LinuxTag has failed to justify how they classify Fedora and the other free distributions, and so they are guilty of failing the community. We are unwilling to be bullied by such people. Ubuntu, for example, only exists because of the commercial interests that have propelled it to its current standing. Since that commercial interest is not clearly advertised and didn't have a well-known history with Linux prior to the creation of the distribution, many members of the Linux community conveniently ignore this commercial backing. They have a tendency to mark large companies that make money supporting Linux as being evil, and so they target Red Hat without any justification. Red Hat, Novell, and IBM all face the same challenges in proving where they stand with Linux, but do more for the advancement of Linux than anyone else even dreams of. No company has made the same kinds of contributions to Linux as Red Hat has. Nobody has been pushing Linux to the world longer or harder than Red Hat. If others want to consider Red Hat as being evil, then they haven't done their research and won't get any respect from me. If I didn't think that Fedora was an outstanding free distribution, and that Red Hat presented any risk to the success or freedom of the project, I wouldn't be here. I am in a unique position to understand Red Hat's goals with regard to Fedora, and have seen the honest goals of the Red Hat employees who are involved with Fedora, and I have complete confidence that Red Hat will continue to do the right thing for Fedora and for Linux. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am located in India > Punjab , full address is as below, please post in response here before you post those to me so that we don't see un-necessary copies being sent to me. 416, St. No.2, Sunder Nagri, Abohar (Punjab) 152116 Many Thanks, Kevin Verma From gauret at free.fr Sun Apr 9 07:16:17 2006 From: gauret at free.fr (Aurelien Bompard) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:16:17 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> > #001 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE > > KDE will be Extras soon for the release of Fedora Core 7, according to > UnleashKDE. > Really unleash isn't the right word here, it sounds like DUMPING KDE. Well, actually I think it would be a good thing for KDE in Fedora. I'm a KDE user, and I use Rex Dieter's KDE packages from kde-redhat.sf.net. The work he (and the kde-redhat team, but mainly he) does on these packages is absolutely outstanding. He proposes the latest KDE, the day it's out, for every FC release since even the days of Red Hat 7.3, plus RHEL 3 & 4. And the packages are of extremely good quality. If the KDE packages can be maintained by the community, including of course Rex, (+ the current Red Hat maintainer) instead of the current Red Hat maintainer only, I'm convinced KDE would get much more love and be much more polished than it is now. The kde-redhat team just knows KDE better. In my opinion, "Unleash KDE" is the right word. But since Fedora is commited to proposing both environments at install time, we need to be able to install from Extras in Anaconda, plus we need to do the work of moving KDE out of core, with all the dependencies, and that's just a lot of work. Aur?lien. -- http://aurelien.bompard.org ~~~~ Jabber : abompard at jabber.fr "We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about." --?Albert?Einstein -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kevinverma at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 07:31:32 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:01:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Representing Fedora Project @ Techfest 06, DAVIET, Jalandhar, India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, This is to follow up on the announce of my talk earlier. this was delivered in presence of some 300+ audience at DAVIET, Jalandhar (Punjab) India. There is an Fedora Install fest due ahead on April 11th at DAVIET, Jalandhar. Cheers, Kevin On 4/4/06, Kevin Verma wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > This is to inform you all that I've been invited to give a > talk/presentation about Fedora at Subjected event, its starting today > and runs till tomorrow (4th - 5th April) > > Fedora Talk is tomorrow on 5th of April, the organizers seems a bit > running it all on a very short notice so there is a web site but not > much detail of the event, you might like to check that out: > http://www.techkriti.info/home.php > > I'll report how it goes, but maybe I should prepare the presentation first :) > > Cheers, > KEvin > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 07:33:51 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:03:51 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Representing Fedora Project @ Techfest 06, DAVIET, Jalandhar, India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144568032.2294.99.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:01 +0530, Kevin Verma wrote: > Hello, > > This is to follow up on the announce of my talk earlier. this was > delivered in presence of some 300+ audience at DAVIET, Jalandhar > (Punjab) India. Great. Can you tell us something about the experience? Presentations? Photos? It would be good to share the details. Rahul From kevinverma at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 08:03:36 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:33:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Representing Fedora Project @ Techfest 06, DAVIET, Jalandhar, India In-Reply-To: <1144568032.2294.99.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1144568032.2294.99.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: > Great. Can you tell us something about the experience? Presentations? > Photos? It would be good to share the details. > > Rahul Experience was good, I had kept this presentation as a general introduction to Fedora Project, I shall upload the presentation and photographs ( soon as they are available from the organizers ) and will provide URLs as a follow-up to this thread. From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sun Apr 9 08:23:56 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:23:56 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> Message-ID: <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le dimanche 09 avril 2006 ? 09:16 +0200, Aurelien Bompard a ?crit : > > #001 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE > > > > KDE will be Extras soon for the release of Fedora Core 7, according to > > UnleashKDE. > > Really unleash isn't the right word here, it sounds like DUMPING KDE. > > Well, actually I think it would be a good thing for KDE in Fedora. I'm a KDE > user, and I use Rex Dieter's KDE packages from kde-redhat.sf.net. > The work he (and the kde-redhat team, but mainly he) does on these packages > is absolutely outstanding. He proposes the latest KDE, the day it's out, > for every FC release since even the days of Red Hat 7.3, plus RHEL 3 & 4. > And the packages are of extremely good quality. > > If the KDE packages can be maintained by the community, including of course > Rex, (+ the current Red Hat maintainer) instead of the current Red Hat > maintainer only, I'm convinced KDE would get much more love and be much > more polished than it is now. The kde-redhat team just knows KDE better. > However, I'm afraid that a Fedora Kubuntu-like may be released one day. Fedora would be a base on which one team add GNOME on it while another team is adding KDE on it. I'm more afraid of deviding the comunity that anything else. > In my opinion, "Unleash KDE" is the right word. But since Fedora is commited > to proposing both environments at install time, we need to be able to > install from Extras in Anaconda, plus we need to do the work of moving KDE > out of core, with all the dependencies, and that's just a lot of work. > Having to connect yourself to the internet during the installation process, with dhcp, is *absolutely* not user-friendly at all. Wouldn't it be easier to have : Fedora base : 2 cds Gnome : 1 cds KDE : 1 cds and a question in anaconda asking "what cds do you have?", and then suggesting the right packages thanks to the answer we provided. It sounds that i'm off topic here :) Thomas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But since Fedora is commited > > to proposing both environments at install time, we need to be able to > > install from Extras in Anaconda, plus we need to do the work of moving KDE > > out of core, with all the dependencies, and that's just a lot of work. > > > Having to connect yourself to the internet during the installation > process, with dhcp, is *absolutely* not user-friendly at all. Why does Fedora installation require a net connection? Not sure what you are talking about here. > Wouldn't it be easier to have : > Fedora base : 2 cds > Gnome : 1 cds > KDE : 1 cds > > and a question in anaconda asking "what cds do you have?", and then > suggesting the right packages thanks to the answer we provided. > > It sounds that i'm off topic here :) Yes you are. These ideas have been suggested before and generally been accepted as good ones. Just need people, resources and time to work on it. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 08:49:31 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:19:31 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 02:45 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Fedora might not have a booth as .org (here in Strasbourg, France), great !!!! > > After more than two hours of discussion (on thursday night) with local > LUGs members about Fedora's presence as an organization, it might > happened that I can't convince my lugs members (and myself). I WAS > introduced to the Fedora Project. > > It all started with : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006-April/msg00016.html > (which I haven't read before) > versus the initial objectives of the Fedora Project. > > Below are some of the topics discussed, please don't try to fool me > around with URLS. You can be critical without being rude. > > I've already made myself a fool today, (thanks) and if there's no > CONCRETE information given to Fedora Ambassadors, personally The > Fedora Ambassador project needs to be revised. The above announcement is as concrete as it gets. What needs to be revised in this project? > > I've nothing against with Red Hat but instead I feel that Fedora is > making a fool out of us, free contributors. in what way? > > #001 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE > > KDE will be Extras soon for the release of Fedora Core 7, according to > UnleashKDE. > Really unleash isn't the right word here, it sounds like DUMPING KDE. Why do you feel so? Remember that this is only a proposal as indicated in the page. > > Question 1a: > The Fedora Project is a community driven project, sponsored by Red > Hat. But here, it shows clearly that there are 2 groups, Red Hat and > Community. In this wiki page, there's a lot of 'Red Hat's. I see it as Red Hat being part of the community. Red Hat and the external community working is the whole idea behind the project. > > Answer 1a: > To answer this Q1, I've listed the authors on this wiki page : > RahulSundaram : (starter) Red Hat I just imported the page Patrick Barnes started as I have noted in the change log. I have been contributing to Fedora long before I joined Red Hat and continue to do so on my own time. So whatever I do is done in my own interests and not on the behalf of Red Hat (just so that you get a clearer picture). > Rex Dieter : Community > PatrickBarnes : Community, I guess from my private chat on IRC with him. > > Question 1b: > Fedora Ambassadors are requested to stay neutral concerning KDE and > GNOME. It is clear that moving KDE from Core to Extras this is not > Neutral!! We have been working on reducing the differences between core and extras to the point that it doesnt matter to the end user which repository the package is. Thats a implementation detail. > > Answer 1b: > It doesn't make any difference because anaconda will have integrated > features to choose Extras packages during the Install. Why do you feel so? Extras being integrated with the installer is a critical factor in being able to reorganize the packages. If KDE is moved into Fedora Extras, the external community can help in improving KDE packaging more directly and since the installer would list KDE, XFCE etc along with GNOME users would be able to choose their desktop environment more easily. > > Personal thoughts: > Fedora will turn out to be like Ubuntu, where there will be paid > developpers from Canonical to work on gnome. Red Hat already contributes heavily to GNOME development and probably is the largest corporate contributor. I cant see more contributions from Canonical or anyone else as being a bad thing. > And also this contradicts greg's words on the Umeet Conference: > http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora > @gregdek * And Fedora Ambassadors, in which we encourage individuals > to be advocates for Fedora, Linux and open source in their > communities, and to whom we provide as much support as we can in doing > these things. > > This means that we, the community and Fedora ambassadors, shall > advocate KDE with Fedora, since there sounds like to be a division > between Red Hat and Community. Fedora Ambassadors would hopefully set aside their own preferences and advocate diversity and choice as a advantage that benefits end users. > > Ambassadors were once told in the Ambassador wiki page to redirect any > discussions concerning RedHat towards RedHat representatives. > This statement is not longer available on the wiki. Why ? Not sure. Add it back again if you want to. > > #002 -- #004 TO BE CONTINUED !! > > Just to end (for today), how can the community help the project if > event organizers such as Linuxtag (Wiesbaden) does not consider Fedora > as an organisation ? It's true that now, Mac's email is supporting > Linuxtag's statement. It would better if event organizers treat take into account the differences between projects regardless of the organizations behind them. Linux Tag funding has been discussed by the steering committee and we agreed to go ahead. I think the details were posted publicly earlier but the question on tackling the broader issue still stands. Rahul From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sun Apr 9 08:57:52 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:57:52 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144571220.2294.115.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1144571220.2294.115.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1144573072.2439.11.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le dimanche 09 avril 2006 ? 13:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > > > In my opinion, "Unleash KDE" is the right word. But since Fedora is commited > > > to proposing both environments at install time, we need to be able to > > > install from Extras in Anaconda, plus we need to do the work of moving KDE > > > out of core, with all the dependencies, and that's just a lot of work. > > > > > Having to connect yourself to the internet during the installation > > process, with dhcp, is *absolutely* not user-friendly at all. > > Why does Fedora installation require a net connection? Not sure what you > are talking about here. If wa are able to install a packages from Extras in Anaconda during the installation process, then we need to be connected to the internet, needn't we? Perhaps i don't understand everything very well, it's sunday morning :) Thomas > > > Wouldn't it be easier to have : > > Fedora base : 2 cds > > Gnome : 1 cds > > KDE : 1 cds > > > > and a question in anaconda asking "what cds do you have?", and then > > suggesting the right packages thanks to the answer we provided. > > > > It sounds that i'm off topic here :) > > Yes you are. These ideas have been suggested before and generally been > accepted as good ones. Just need people, resources and time to work on > it. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But since Fedora is commited > > > > to proposing both environments at install time, we need to be able to > > > > install from Extras in Anaconda, plus we need to do the work of moving KDE > > > > out of core, with all the dependencies, and that's just a lot of work. > > > > > > > Having to connect yourself to the internet during the installation > > > process, with dhcp, is *absolutely* not user-friendly at all. > > > > Why does Fedora installation require a net connection? Not sure what you > > are talking about here. > If wa are able to install a packages from Extras in Anaconda during the > installation process, then we need to be connected to the internet, > needn't we? That is one option. > > Perhaps i don't understand everything very well, it's sunday morning :) Fedora Extras could be spinned into ISO images too. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 11:37:12 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:37:12 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604090437x22d6175bmc69e885b4f79aecf@mail.gmail.com> > > Below are some of the topics discussed, please don't try to fool me > > around with URLS. > > You can be critical without being rude. > Im not rude :) I prefer things to be discussed :) What I wish, is that there must be information provided to the Fedora Ambassador Project. A Fedora Ambassador must have sufficient tools to pass on the CORRECT information, especially during events. Hence, I propose that the Steering Community tries to gather specific updates concerning THE FEDORA PROJECT, here and there and inform the ambassadors whose task is to spread the word about the Fedora Project. These updates might be available maybe available weekly. I strongly advise Fedora Ambassadors as well to read ThomasChung's FWN. Example of such updates might be : - Mac's letter - effects on contributors and why; for e.g - Unleash KDE: - how things are moving - Artwork : ....... I think this could be considered as the previously launch WordOfMouth by Clair's. I prefer to see the Fedora Ambassador Project to move forward. TalkingPoints are good. But its not enough to spread the word about the Fedora Project. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 11:44:46 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:44:46 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604090444r614836aci3cb685913f70a88d@mail.gmail.com> > However, I'm afraid that a Fedora Kubuntu-like may be released one day. > Fedora would be a base on which one team add GNOME on it while another > team is adding KDE on it. I'm more afraid of deviding the comunity that > anything else. I'm afraid about that too. I don't want to divide the community as well. I prefer to see Red Hat and the Community to work together, even if it concerns KDE and GNOME. RedHat's participation and the Community's participation should not divide them. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 11:50:16 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:50:16 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <200604082155.54351.nman64@n-man.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604082155.54351.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604090450s49f72b4fud2bf87890e091a3e@mail.gmail.com> > If I didn't think that Fedora was an outstanding free distribution, and that > Red Hat presented any risk to the success or freedom of the project, I > wouldn't be here. I am in a unique position to understand Red Hat's goals > with regard to Fedora, and have seen the honest goals of the Red Hat > employees who are involved with Fedora, and I have complete confidence that > Red Hat will continue to do the right thing for Fedora and for Linux. I share the same thoughts :) that explains my contribution to the Project. Like I said, I have nothing against Red Hat. By the way, I'm FOR RedHat's sponsoring because I don't want Fedora to end up like Debian. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 11:50:56 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:20:56 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604090437x22d6175bmc69e885b4f79aecf@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604090437x22d6175bmc69e885b4f79aecf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144583457.2294.157.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:37 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > Below are some of the topics discussed, please don't try to fool me > > > around with URLS. > > > > You can be critical without being rude. > > > > Im not rude :) > I prefer things to be discussed :) Statements like everyone is being fooled is not a good way to start a discussion. There is value is healthy discussions and debates but presumptions make it harder to be level headed. Ask rather than assume. > What I wish, is that there must be information provided to the Fedora > Ambassador Project. Information is passed to the entire world. You can as a ambassador read about them too. Ambassadors are not privileged with extra information. This is not a closed club. You can as a fellow contributor ask questions like any of us. > A Fedora Ambassador must have sufficient tools to pass on the CORRECT > information, especially during events. > > Hence, I propose that the Steering Community tries to gather specific > updates concerning THE FEDORA PROJECT, here and there and inform the > ambassadors whose task is to spread the word about the Fedora Project. Just read the fedora announce lists and things like Red Hat magazine which includes a Fedora status report and fedoranews.org. http://planet.fedoraproject.org is also interesting at times. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 11:54:46 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:54:46 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604090454t6a5c2268k926bde3fc52ed18b@mail.gmail.com> > It would better if event organizers treat take into account the > differences between projects regardless of the organizations behind > them. Linux Tag funding has been discussed by the steering committee and > we agreed to go ahead. I think the details were posted publicly earlier > but the question on tackling the broader issue still stands. For this, we (The Fedora Project) have to make it clear about our standing as organization on a wiki page. This might help both - the Fedora ambassadors, who are applying for a booth. - event organizers, to understand the project. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 12:59:08 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:59:08 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144583457.2294.157.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604090437x22d6175bmc69e885b4f79aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1144583457.2294.157.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604090559y4a51b446o17b3086c31f75619@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:37 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > > Below are some of the topics discussed, please don't try to fool me > > > > around with URLS. > > > > > > You can be critical without being rude. > > > > > > > Im not rude :) > > I prefer things to be discussed :) > > Statements like everyone is being fooled is not a good way to start a > discussion. There is value is healthy discussions and debates but > presumptions make it harder to be level headed. Ask rather than assume. > > > What I wish, is that there must be information provided to the Fedora > > Ambassador Project. > > Information is passed to the entire world. You can as a ambassador read > about them too. Ambassadors are not privileged with extra information. > This is not a closed club. You can as a fellow contributor ask > questions like any of us. > > > > A Fedora Ambassador must have sufficient tools to pass on the CORRECT > > information, especially during events. > > > > Hence, I propose that the Steering Community tries to gather specific > > updates concerning THE FEDORA PROJECT, here and there and inform the > > ambassadors whose task is to spread the word about the Fedora Project. > > Just read the fedora announce lists and things like Red Hat magazine > which includes a Fedora status report and fedoranews.org. > http://planet.fedoraproject.org is also interesting at times. > > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I've been with the Project for a long time now. I know the Fedora Project, which explains my commitment to it. But here I'm talking about the Fedora Ambassador Project. The Newcomers to the Ambassador Project, (right now we are 110) who need to be guided/informed for a while. They are the ones who need to be informed. The Fedora Project has grown since, got a new logo which reflects certain qualities about the Fedora Project. That is why Im asking, let's keep this standard., at least for the Fedora Ambassador Project. We shouldn't assume that everyone reads those News. We have to at least from time to time remind ambassadors about certain sources. Every Ambassador got their Fedora Business cards, email alias etc... It's good but if Ambassadors are not privileged with extra information, are these worth ? PS: As for my event (Strasbourg), I know I can convince those guys for a .org booth and I will do it, not now but soon. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 14:23:09 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:23:09 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604090723l51ab70f7x44635bb78ede442c@mail.gmail.com> > However, I'm afraid that a Fedora Kubuntu-like may be released one day. > Fedora would be a base on which one team add GNOME on it while another > team is adding KDE on it. I'm more afraid of deviding the comunity that > anything else. Talking about Kubuntu!! Sounds like the contributors are on strike : http://kubuntu.de/ English version: This website, including the forum, the mailing lists and the respective IRC channels (#kubuntu-de and #kubuntu-de-team) has one aim: to support the community, to offer a platform to the users of Kubuntu and, last but not least, to boost the Kubuntu-project so as to make it an outstanding distribution. We all from the kubuntu.de - team have poursuited this aim together, but most of the work has been done by Andreas M?ller (amu). He is not only co-founder and unpayed developer of the Kubuntu-project, but he's also hosting this website and he's taking over all the arising expenses. During our endeavours for Kubuntu, there were made several requests to Canonical (e.g. concerning the status of Kubuntu in comparison with Ubuntu, reactivation of amu's account on kubuntu.org). All those requests are unanswered till today! Up to now, there is only one payed developer (Jonatha Riddell). Since Canonical ignores all our personal and partly financial engagement until now we have to assume that Canonical is not willing to make Kubuntu a "1st class distribution". The current status is unfortunately not acceptable at all and it is endangering the continuity and especially the further development of Kubuntu. Unless all the requests made by Andreas M?ller are answered till 15.04.2006 * kubuntu.de ll shut down including its forum and mailing lists * Amu will stop developing Kubuntu * there will be no booth at LinuxTag To clarify the seriousness of the situation, kubuntu.de will be offline for one week beginning as from monday, 10.04.2006. If you want to help us, please refer to the interational mailing list of Ubuntu and Kubuntu. The team Amu (Andreas M?ller) Urmelchen (Ren? Fischer) Apachelogger (Harald Sitter) Zerlinna (Mirjam W?ckerlin) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 14:45:36 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:15:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604090559y4a51b446o17b3086c31f75619@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604090437x22d6175bmc69e885b4f79aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1144583457.2294.157.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604090559y4a51b446o17b3086c31f75619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144593936.2294.170.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:59 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > I've been with the Project for a long time now. > I know the Fedora Project, which explains my commitment to it. > > But here I'm talking about the Fedora Ambassador Project. > The Newcomers to the Ambassador Project, (right now we are 110) who > need to be guided/informed for a while. > > They are the ones who need to be informed. We can facilitate it and we already do that but ambassadors should be educating themselves about the project. > > The Fedora Project has grown since, got a new logo which reflects > certain qualities about the Fedora Project. > > That is why Im asking, let's keep this standard., at least for the > Fedora Ambassador Project. > > We shouldn't assume that everyone reads those News. We have to at > least from time to time remind ambassadors about certain sources. I dont assume everyone reads these news but if anyone is interested in the project enough to be an ambassadors, I would definitely expect them to keep themselves informed on the major changes. If you want to help others in this regard, you can summarize and post useful information on a weekly basis to this list. It can even been included in the weekly reports (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/WeeklyReports/Archive) or fedoranews.org and other places. > > Every Ambassador got their Fedora Business cards, email alias etc... > It's good but if Ambassadors are not privileged with extra > information, are these worth ? Sure they are. Everybody gets the same information. Whatever is useful information for the ambassadors would be useful to everybody that is interested in the project. You dont have to be an ambassadors to learn and understand the project and that in my opinion is the way it should be. Feel free to ask questions if required to clarify anything that is not clear to you. Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 9 20:00:33 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:00:33 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting a set of DVD-iso & CD-iso's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0604091300u792a0d28xb6c39c51c5103d81@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/06, Kevin Verma wrote: > Hello, > > I'll like to have a bit of help to receive a set of DVD iso and a set > of CD isos of FC5 so I can replicate those on my own for local > distribution at my talks, I did downloaded a DVD iso but that was with > a broken SHA1SUM so can not be relied upon. > > I am located in India > Punjab , full address is as below, please post > in response here before you post those to me so that we don't see > un-necessary copies being sent to me. > > 416, St. No.2, Sunder Nagri, > Abohar (Punjab) 152116 > > Many Thanks, > Kevin Verma > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Hi Kevin, Please join "ambassadors" group in your Fedora Account System to become an Official Fedora Ambassador. Also please use following page Fedora Ambassador Form to request material. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff Regards, p.s. Please send me a private email for Membership Service. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 10:46:16 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:16:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604090450s49f72b4fud2bf87890e091a3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604082155.54351.nman64@n-man.com> <13dbfe4f0604090450s49f72b4fud2bf87890e091a3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144665976.2022.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:50 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:By the way, I'm FOR > RedHat's sponsoring because I don't want Fedora to end up like Debian. Define `like Debian` From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 10:56:36 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:26:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144593936.2294.170.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144572572.2294.138.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604090437x22d6175bmc69e885b4f79aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1144583457.2294.157.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604090559y4a51b446o17b3086c31f75619@mail.gmail.com> <1144593936.2294.170.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1144666596.2022.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 20:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:59 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > They are the ones who need to be informed. > > We can facilitate it and we already do that but ambassadors should be > educating themselves about the project. Not all ambassadors have the time to read planet fedora every few days, and subscribing to the fedora-announce list usually results in a large amount of messages you DON'T want to read, and only a few that you do. I think when something major happens, there SHOULD be an announcement here on the list. I'm not talking about private/privi info. I still haven't seen an announce on the list about the Fedora Foundation. How many ambassadors know what happened? Gja From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Apr 10 15:28:25 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1144666596.2022.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144593936.2294.170.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <1144666596.2022.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <200604101028.27933.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 10 April 2006 05:56, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Not all ambassadors have the time to read planet fedora every few days, > and subscribing to the fedora-announce list usually results in a large > amount of messages you DON'T want to read, and only a few that you do. fedora-announce-list is a low-traffic list. Major announcements, a few update notifications, and weekly summaries from FedoraNEWS.ORG are all that hit fedora-announce-list. > > I think when something major happens, there SHOULD be an announcement > here on the list. I'm not talking about private/privi info. If an Ambassador wishes to post information to this list, they are welcome to do so, but the individual projects never receive unique announcements. > > I still haven't seen an announce on the list about the Fedora > Foundation. > > How many ambassadors know what happened? In opting to be a Fedora Ambassador, each participant promises a certain amount of effort to the Fedora Project. We aren't going to hand-feed everything to the Ambassadors. It is the responsibility of each and every Ambassador to read our news and keep track of what is happening. With all of the effort that the other contributors put into the Fedora Project, it isn't asking much of Ambassadors to read fedora-announce-list. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Exactly which is why I didnt insist on everyone reading the planet. > > I think when something major happens, there SHOULD be an announcement > here on the list. I'm not talking about private/privi info. > > I still haven't seen an announce on the list about the Fedora > Foundation. > > How many ambassadors know what happened? fedoranews.org, Red Hat magazine and fedora announce list covers most of the important news. Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 04:37:06 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Expense reimbursement guidelines posted Message-ID: <7f617d270604102137qa5adcb2u5ba068b5fc53c330@mail.gmail.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee Please see this page for the expense reimbursement policy currently in power :) We may change it as we learn by doing, but the policy posted on the wiki at the moment when you request reimbursement will govern your process. You will also find the next Famsco meeting's agenda on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings Cheers, Alex -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 11 23:41:36 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:41:36 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <200604101028.27933.nman64@n-man.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <1144593936.2294.170.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <1144666596.2022.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604101028.27933.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1144798897.15550.100.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 10:28 -0500, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > It is the responsibility of each and every > Ambassador to read our news and keep track of what is happening. With all of > the effort that the other contributors put into the Fedora Project, it isn't > asking much of Ambassadors to read fedora-announce-list. It is also within the power of each Ambassador to re-post an announcement to this list. It *is* difficult to keep on top of all the news in a timely manner. This is where we can help each other. Max Spevack did the right thing in posting only and directly to fedora-announce-list as _the_ announcement list for the project v. spamming other lists. Anyone here could have redirected it to this list. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 11 23:45:42 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RedHat v/s Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604090444r614836aci3cb685913f70a88d@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604081745u32b4db3cu7f862e55eb29f327@mail.gmail.com> <200604090916.21296.gauret@free.fr> <1144571036.2439.7.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <13dbfe4f0604090444r614836aci3cb685913f70a88d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144799142.15550.105.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:44 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > However, I'm afraid that a Fedora Kubuntu-like may be released one day. > > Fedora would be a base on which one team add GNOME on it while another > > team is adding KDE on it. I'm more afraid of deviding the comunity that > > anything else. > > I'm afraid about that too. I don't want to divide the community as well. > > I prefer to see Red Hat and the Community to work together, even if it > concerns KDE and GNOME. RedHat's participation and the Community's > participation should not divide them. You did read the announcement in full, didn't you? ;-D /me knows it is long, but it is worth it Rex Dieter is one of the community members of the new Fedora Project Board. In case it is not obvious, the Fedora organization goes kind of like this: Project Board Chair Project Board Project Management Committee (PMC) Chairs PMCs PMC Sub-committees PMCs are FAMSCo, FESCo, FDSCo, and so forth. In other words, Red Dieter is now our Fedora "boss" ;-) So, I wouldn't be too worried about a Fedora, GNOME, and KDE schism happening anytime soon. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 09:42:59 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:12:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" Message-ID: <200604121513.05297.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, I am back. The event, "A day with Fedora" ended properly except a few moments. Here is the report: I reached Durgapur on 3rd April. That was a holiday in BCREC college, but my dgplug colleagues were there to do the final work. We checked the banners, seminar room etc. We also burned a few copies of FC5 DVD in night. The next day started properly. There were four speakers, Me , Indranil Dasgupta, Sayamindu Dasgupta & Soumyadip Modak. There were around 120 students. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126889972/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890182/in/set-72057594104413249/ First we played "Truth Happens", it took lot of attention. The first speech was from Indranil named "All about Fdora". http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890302/in/set-72057594104413249/ The slides was made Sankarshan & IDG. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890420/in/set-72057594104413249/ It lasts around 2 hours. He first talked about FOSS, then stared how Fedora project fits in. A few M$ lover asked why Linux?? and got perfect punch back to them & the first half ended that way. We distributed FC4 DVDs & tee as the reward of asking questions. The second session started with my talk. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126892052/in/set-72057594104413249/ I was talking about different apps in FC5 & I opened them one by one as the slides goes on. But suddenly current was gone, hopefully it came back with 10 minutes. During that time we had lots of question about the applications in Fedora. Third talk was from Sayam, he showed a bengali KDE in FC5. His talk was mainly about how to translate. Then Soumyadip showed some live translation example, he mainly came to talk about translation for Ubuntu. The last talk was again from Sayam, "Programming in Linux". That started with basic C programming to GTK programming. The day ended with Soumya's vote of thanx. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893037/in/set-72057594104413249/ In the next day we had a Install fest in the college lab. In the first half a complete loadshading was there, so we started from the second half. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893566/in/set-72057594104413249/ First I showed the installation process in a box. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126894278/in/set-72057594104413249/ Then the students started installing in the boxes one after another. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893763/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126894932/in/set-72057594104413249/ Forget to tell you, that was my first text based installation, the boxes have only 128MB ram. At the end I had a very bad error. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126797188/in/set-72057594104413249/ It came only for one box. The same CD/DVD works fine in other boxes. The points came up during the event was: 1. Why can't we do a full install in FC5? 2. How to use the DVD/CD to install apps using pirut ? 3. Fedora T-shirts, should have g-size(for girls) :) check http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890542/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890823/in/set-72057594104413249/ You can check the photos in http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/sets/72057594104413249/ Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 17:52:40 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:22:40 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" Message-ID: <200604122322.47082.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, I am back. The event, "A day with Fedora" ended properly except a few moments. Here is the report: I reached Durgapur on 3rd April. That was a holiday in BCREC college, but my dgplug colleagues were there to do the final work. We checked the banners, seminar room etc. We also burned a few copies of FC5 DVD in night. The next day started properly. There were four speakers, Me , Indranil Dasgupta, Sayamindu Dasgupta & Soumyadip Modak. There were around 120 students. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126889972/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890182/in/set-72057594104413249/ First we played "Truth Happens", it took lot of attention. The first speech was from Indranil named "All about Fdora". http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890302/in/set-72057594104413249/ The slides was made Sankarshan & IDG. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890420/in/set-72057594104413249/ It lasts around 2 hours. He first talked about FOSS, then stared how Fedora project fits in. A few M$ lover asked why Linux?? and got perfect punch back to them & the first half ended that way. We distributed FC4 DVDs & tee as the reward of asking questions. The second session started with my talk. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126892052/in/set-72057594104413249/ I was talking about different apps in FC5 & I opened them one by one as the slides goes on. But suddenly current was gone, hopefully it came back with 10 minutes. During that time we had lots of question about the applications in Fedora. Third talk was from Sayam, he showed a bengali KDE in FC5. His talk was mainly about how to translate. Then Soumyadip showed some live translation example, he mainly came to talk about translation for Ubuntu. The last talk was again from Sayam, "Programming in Linux". That started with basic C programming to GTK programming. The day ended with Soumya's vote of thanx. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893037/in/set-72057594104413249/ In the next day we had a Install fest in the college lab. In the first half a complete loadshading was there, so we started from the second half. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893566/in/set-72057594104413249/ First I showed the installation process in a box. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126894278/in/set-72057594104413249/ Then the students started installing in the boxes one after another. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893763/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126894932/in/set-72057594104413249/ Forget to tell you, that was my first text based installation, the boxes have only 128MB ram. At the end I had a very bad error. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126797188/in/set-72057594104413249/ It came only for one box. The same CD/DVD works fine in other boxes. The points came up during the event was: 1. Why can't we do a full install in FC5? 2. How to use the DVD/CD to install apps using pirut ? 3. Fedora T-shirts, should have g-size(for girls) :) check http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890542/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890823/in/set-72057594104413249/ You can check the photos in http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/sets/72057594104413249/ Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 12 17:53:19 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:19 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" In-Reply-To: <200604121513.05297.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200604121513.05297.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604121053q4a07efbei31122f872a044f2a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/06, Kushal Das wrote: > Hi, > I am back. The event, "A day with Fedora" ended properly except a few moments. > Here is the report: >... > The points came up during the event was: > 1. Why can't we do a full install in FC5? > 2. How to use the DVD/CD to install apps using pirut ? > 3. Fedora T-shirts, should have g-size(for girls) :) check > http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890542/in/set-72057594104413249/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890823/in/set-72057594104413249/ Hi Kushal, Thank you for your great report. Here are the answers for the questions useful for next time. :) 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186007#c1 2. http://www.city-fan.org/tips/YumRepoFromImages 3. Yes, we can explore the option for Girls' T-shirts. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Apr 12 20:00:25 2006 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:00:25 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" In-Reply-To: <200604122322.47082.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200604122322.47082.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <443D5C59.1060809@elfshadow.net> Kushal Das wrote: > At the end I had a very bad error. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126797188/in/set-72057594104413249/ > It came only for one box. The same CD/DVD works fine in other boxes. Probably related to this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=178143#c7 Using this line might have helped get around it: boot: vmlinuz initrd=initrd.img Jeffrey From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Wed Apr 12 20:07:01 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:07:01 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Lille (France) presenation report Message-ID: <1144872421.7378.39.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Hi everybody, I gave yesterday evening a presentation of the Fedora Project thanks to Aurelien Bompart's slides. This was my first experience in presenting the Project publicly, as if it was a kind of session. It happened during the monthly LUG meeting called "Les Mardis du Libre" (Free Tuedays). About 15 people were attending, regular ones -with their very good knowloedge of the open-source movement- and new ones as well. Some regular ones, essentially gentoo and debian users, were constantly attacking me gentily about some aspects of the distribution : Fedora and Red Hat : Beeing with Red Hat is a bad thing from their point of view, because fedora is controlled by RH and is not independant. I kept on telling them it is a good thing because of the support, infrastructure, development, money, guidelines (...) RH is giving to Fedora. They were hard to convinced on this topic. They were arguing that Debian was surviving thanks to its ideas and ideals, but one of them told that there were a lot of money on Debian bank accounts as well. :) They were as well very doubtless about the fact that Fedora is including bleeding edge technologies and still remains stable AND easy to use. I could only tell them to try Fedora :) During an explanation about Core and Extras and about the duplication apps moving to Extras, Someone asked me if KDE would one day be slipped into Extras. I said "probably, or probably not, the question is still pending." Well i knew most of the guys that were there, they were testing me harshly and teasing me a lot, even if their questions sometinmes were really good questions about the distro and the way we work. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora Banner (120cm x 90cm ) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/fedora_banner.jpg Fedora DVD (FEDORA CORE 5) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/fedora_dvd.jpg Fedora Flyer - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/fedora_flyer.jpg Fedora t-shirt Black (S,L,XL) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/blackt.jpg Fedora t-shirt White (S,L,XL) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/blankt.jpg Artwork by Jayme Ayres (jayme.ayres AT gmail.com) - - http://jaymeayres.orgfree.com/ - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPWIYPg3HAC1vlg4RAu9qAJ9UUYI1eIDQHiSVHEqiqzy8DQaIcwCdGUqH h/hiP5smdiwkKzWvi1E+Viw= =BMRN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 12 20:30:22 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Arts - DVD - T-shirts - Banner - Flyer In-Reply-To: <443D6219.3010203@projetofedora.org> References: <443D6219.3010203@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604121330r35e0835dj782f3afeed8caa2@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/06, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi People!!!! > > These are the arts created for FISL (Brasil). > Excellent Job Rodrigo, Wish you the best of luck at the FISL. Cheers! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 20:33:29 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Expense reimbursement guidelines posted In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604102137qa5adcb2u5ba068b5fc53c330@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604102137qa5adcb2u5ba068b5fc53c330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270604121333r3970e332nd961205aa6279a41@mail.gmail.com> Before our meeting tomorrow, I would like to encourage all Ambassadors to have a look at the guidelines and note the questions, so Famsco can clarify the procedure for everybody. Thank you, Alex On 4/11/06, Alex Maier wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee > > Please see this page for the expense reimbursement policy currently in > power :) We may change it as we learn by doing, but the policy posted > on the wiki at the moment when you request reimbursement will govern > your process. > > You will also find the next Famsco meeting's agenda on this page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings > > Cheers, > Alex > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Apr 13 05:04:53 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:34:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Expense reimbursement guidelines posted In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604121333r3970e332nd961205aa6279a41@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604102137qa5adcb2u5ba068b5fc53c330@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270604121333r3970e332nd961205aa6279a41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144904694.2043.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 16:33 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > Before our meeting tomorrow, I would like to encourage all Ambassadors > to ... I'd also like to remind everyone in the US, that UTC doesn't follow Daylight Savings time. The meeting may be an hour earlier, or an hour later than your usual time. Tejas From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Apr 13 15:44:05 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:44:05 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Ambassador IRC Log 2006-04-13 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604130810l79285218x4f93b581c852dd4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604130810l79285218x4f93b581c852dd4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270604130844w1d88e2bdu8f382511d79fd9f4@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > Hi Alex, > I don't know what happen but you just disappeared during the meeting. :) > Any way, I took over and we were ok. Thanks for taking over--I really appreciate your help! I have had a small emergency at work (and I while am in the office, my paid job unfortunately always goes before my Fedora duties) and had to take care of that. I only got my head above water again now. Thank you Thomas once again, and my apologies for the sudden disappearance. I will try not to let it happen again. Thank you, Alex From makl10n at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 19:32:27 2006 From: makl10n at yahoo.com (mak_l10n) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:32:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Report on "A day with Fedora" In-Reply-To: <20060412203339.3518B72FD5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060413193227.77969.qmail@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:22:40 +0530 From: Kushal Das Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <200604122322.47082.kushaldas at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am back. The event, "A day with Fedora" ended properly except a few moments. Here is the report: I reached Durgapur on 3rd April. That was a holiday in BCREC college, but my dgplug colleagues were there to do the final work. We checked the banners, seminar room etc. We also burned a few copies of FC5 DVD in night. The next day started properly. There were four speakers, Me , Indranil Dasgupta, Sayamindu Dasgupta & Soumyadip Modak. There were around 120 students. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126889972/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890182/in/set-72057594104413249/ First we played "Truth Happens", it took lot of attention. The first speech was from Indranil named "All about Fdora". http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890302/in/set-72057594104413249/ The slides was made Sankarshan & IDG. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890420/in/set-72057594104413249/ It lasts around 2 hours. He first talked about FOSS, then stared how Fedora project fits in. A few M$ lover asked why Linux?? and got perfect punch back to them & the first half ended that way. We distributed FC4 DVDs & tee as the reward of asking questions. The second session started with my talk. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126892052/in/set-72057594104413249/ I was talking about different apps in FC5 & I opened them one by one as the slides goes on. But suddenly current was gone, hopefully it came back with 10 minutes. During that time we had lots of question about the applications in Fedora. Third talk was from Sayam, he showed a bengali KDE in FC5. His talk was mainly about how to translate. Then Soumyadip showed some live translation example, he mainly came to talk about translation for Ubuntu. The last talk was again from Sayam, "Programming in Linux". That started with basic C programming to GTK programming. The day ended with Soumya's vote of thanx. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893037/in/set-72057594104413249/ In the next day we had a Install fest in the college lab. In the first half a complete loadshading was there, so we started from the second half. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893566/in/set-72057594104413249/ First I showed the installation process in a box. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126894278/in/set-72057594104413249/ Then the students started installing in the boxes one after another. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126893763/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126894932/in/set-72057594104413249/ Forget to tell you, that was my first text based installation, the boxes have only 128MB ram. At the end I had a very bad error. http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126797188/in/set-72057594104413249/ It came only for one box. The same CD/DVD works fine in other boxes. The points came up during the event was: 1. Why can't we do a full install in FC5? 2. How to use the DVD/CD to install apps using pirut ? 3. Fedora T-shirts, should have g-size(for girls) :) check http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890542/in/set-72057594104413249/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890823/in/set-72057594104413249/ You can check the photos in http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/sets/72057594104413249/ Regards, Kushal Thank you Kushal for your report, it was an excellent event I can guess (except not having G-size tee ;)) Thank you agian, thanks for sharing. শুভ নববর্ষ mak. Dhaka, Bangladesh. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Why can't we do a full install in FC5? Is this asking why there is no longer an "Everything" install? I just added this: "What happened to my Everything install?!? If you want all packages from one or more package groups, right-click on the package group name and choose to install all packages. Remember, Everything always means different things to different people. Rather than define and support 100 variations of an everything install, you can now define your own!" to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/WordOfMouth/FAQs#Everything Feel free to clean it up and improve the accuracy of the directions. This seems to be a common concern. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. 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Thanks for clearing it up. -t -- Tony Guntharp CTO - Omnidrive www.omnidrive.com fusion94 at omnidrive.com +1.415.692.5507 +1.816.352.2338 On 4/14/06, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 23:22 +0530, Kushal Das wrote: > > The points came up during the event was: > > 1. Why can't we do a full install in FC5? > > Is this asking why there is no longer an "Everything" install? > > I just added this: > > "What happened to my Everything install?!? > > If you want all packages from one or more package groups, right-click on > the package group name and choose to install all packages. > > Remember, Everything always means different things to different people. > Rather than define and support 100 variations of an everything install, > you can now define your own!" > > to: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/WordOfMouth/FAQs#Everything > > Feel free to clean it up and improve the accuracy of the directions. > This seems to be a common concern. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 > Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > Learn. Network. Experience open source. > Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 > Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEQAc32ZIOBq0ODEERAv/yAKDX0n14/4c10Llf/iu3pjnHUcbVqACglTwW > 3sjd5qWYwSd1GHhKa4b0fdM= > =NUlD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > From kushaldas at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 20:52:41 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 02:22:41 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" In-Reply-To: <1145046840.2465.60.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200604122322.47082.kushaldas@gmail.com> <1145046840.2465.60.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <200604160222.47548.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Saturday 15 April 2006 02:04, Karsten Wade wrote: > > Remember, Everything always means different things to different people. > Rather than define and support 100 variations of an everything install, > you can now define your own!" > > to: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/WordOfMouth/FAQs#Everything > > Feel free to clean it up and improve the accuracy of the directions. > This seems to be a common concern. > I mean every package on the DVD/ 5 CDs :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 11:32:19 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:02:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report on "A day with Fedora" In-Reply-To: <200604121513.05297.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200604121513.05297.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44437CC3.9040001@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kushal Das wrote: > The first speech was from Indranil named "All about Fdora". > http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890302/in/set-72057594104413249/ > The slides was made Sankarshan & IDG. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/88746839 at N00/126890420/in/set-72057594104413249/ > It lasts around 2 hours. He first talked about FOSS, then stared how Fedora > project fits in. A few M$ lover asked why Linux?? and got perfect punch back > to them & the first half ended that way. > We distributed FC4 DVDs & tee as the reward of asking questions. Small nitpick. It is actually gdk's slides from FUDConDelhi2006 rehased and somewhat rephrased. However, great going Kushal. And thanks a lot for carrying the heavy load of T Shirts. Warm regards Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEQ3zDXQZpNTcrCzMRAn/FAJ9jeDuIVnK8lBjAeJmqMcyWMxCfeACguBrF q9btE+JdeKN0eaAwSlBjXZc= =J6xq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Apr 17 16:19:32 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] any Fedora Ambassadors in Toronto? Message-ID: Hi folks. If there are any Fedora ambassadors in Toronto who would be interested in leading up a Fedora presence at LinuxWorld Toronto next week, please contact famsco-list at redhat.com Red Hat is going to have a presence there, and is willing to offer help with budget and coordination, but we need to find some bodies who can actually represent Fedora in our space. There will be an opportunity to give a talk about Fedora as well, if someone wants to do that. :-) This is a fast-moving target and opportunity, so if you're a Fedora person in the area with the desire and ability to help, make yourself known ASAP. :-) --Max -- Max Spevack + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/~mspevack/mspevack.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 17:31:52 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] any Fedora Ambassadors in Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270604171031j4b27b5fam317d004502ff6173@mail.gmail.com> Behdad, This has your name on it! :) a On 4/17/06, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi folks. > > If there are any Fedora ambassadors in Toronto who would be interested in > leading up a Fedora presence at LinuxWorld Toronto next week, please > contact famsco-list at redhat.com > > Red Hat is going to have a presence there, and is willing to offer help > with budget and coordination, but we need to find some bodies who can > actually represent Fedora in our space. > > There will be an opportunity to give a talk about Fedora as well, if > someone wants to do that. :-) > > This is a fast-moving target and opportunity, so if you're a Fedora person > in the area with the desire and ability to help, make yourself known ASAP. > :-) > > --Max > > -- > Max Spevack > + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/~mspevack/mspevack.asc > + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From rajesh672 at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 03:43:04 2006 From: rajesh672 at gmail.com (Rajesh Ranjan) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:13:04 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] go inside FC 5 Message-ID: <5a62cd230604182043u2d09be64t@mail.gmail.com> Rahul Sundaram is your guide... :-) http://www.redhat.com/magazine/018apr06/features/fc5_overview/ Regards, Rajesh Ranjan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there something better? Planning to commence here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConSanFrancsico2006 I know Guntharp is out there. What other Fedora Ambassadors and project contributors are local to Northern California? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 19 18:47:14 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FUDCon San Francisco 2006? In-Reply-To: <1145453232.25148.33.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1145453232.25148.33.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604191147n344840d1pe62cb9968f717dc8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/06, Karsten Wade wrote: > Is anyone interested in having a FUDCon this year to coincide with > LinuxWorld San Francisco? The target date would be 18 August. > > Alternately, is there another great San Francisco/Silicon Valley event > that we could attach to or pair up with to have a FUDCon? > > Our big challenges are: > > 1. A venue > 2. A draw > > I saw recently how valuable and useful the Boston University space was > (mad props to Matt, Paul, and all the BU folks). Good facilities and > early access are essential. > > What draws people to the FUDCon? Good speakers, that's one thing. How > many Fedora developers are in the Bay Area? > > Another draw is being connected to a big open source attractor such as > LinuxWorld. Except, uh, LWCE isn't the same kind of FLOSS draw as it > was in the past. Is there something better? > > Planning to commence here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConSanFrancsico2006 > > I know Guntharp is out there. What other Fedora Ambassadors and project > contributors are local to Northern California? > > - Karsten Hi Karsten, Please join our Fedora Ambassadors Meeting tomorow to discuss FUDCon San Francisco 2006. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Also please add the event in FedoraEvents page. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 19 19:15:18 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:15:18 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fwd: Open Source Lab Details for NECC 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0604191156j6878d7cbl4c7baeb9832224d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604191215i79dc43b8j6f42a44325fe63d6@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve Hargadon Date: Apr 19, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Open Source Lab Details for NECC 2006 To: Fedora Education Initiative On 4/19/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > Hi Steve, > > This is my first time hearing "National Educational Computing Conference 2006". > Two questions. > 1. Have you contacted anyone in Fedora Marketing or Fedora Ambassadors > for any help? No. I have been talking with Sarah Jones from Red Hat who does events, and I thought we were going to get some support but I haven't heard from her in some time. I'd be very interested in making contact on either front. Can you help? > 2. Do you have a webiste where we can learn more about this event? The NECC website is at http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2006/. This is the second year I've been asked to lead the Open Source effort there, and the first year that our presenters are actually listed in the program as full speakers. It's significant progress, and came out of providing a similar lineup at the cue.org show in Palm Springs some weeks ago. -- Steve Hargadon Thank you Steve, As a start, I'm forwarding your email to Fedora Ambassadors and Fedora Marketing mailing lists to get an attention. Once we have enough interests and resources, we should be able to find someone to help your event and promote Fedora Project at the same time. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 19 19:24:22 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:22 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Open Source Lab Details for NECC 2006 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604191215i79dc43b8j6f42a44325fe63d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604191156j6878d7cbl4c7baeb9832224d8@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0604191215i79dc43b8j6f42a44325fe63d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604191224t73aced4cx8d2322dd7305a95b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Steve Hargadon > Date: Apr 19, 2006 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: Open Source Lab Details for NECC 2006 > To: Fedora Education Initiative > > > On 4/19/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > > > This is my first time hearing "National Educational Computing Conference 2006". > > Two questions. > > 1. Have you contacted anyone in Fedora Marketing or Fedora Ambassadors > > for any help? > > No. I have been talking with Sarah Jones from Red Hat who does > events, and I thought we were going to get some support but I haven't > heard from her in some time. > > I'd be very interested in making contact on either front. Can you help? > > > 2. Do you have a webiste where we can learn more about this event? > > The NECC website is at http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2006/. This > is the second year I've been asked to lead the Open Source effort > there, and the first year that our presenters are actually listed in > the program as full speakers. It's significant progress, and came out > of providing a similar lineup at the cue.org show in Palm Springs some > weeks ago. > > -- > Steve Hargadon Also, I just added the event in the HelpWanted/Events page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted/Events Once we have an Ambassador who's in charge, we'll move the event to FedoraEvents: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 19 21:23:38 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:23:38 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors Message-ID: <369bce3b0604191423w39b3b557lffef9cd73d459d4d@mail.gmail.com> This is your Weekly Reminder that everyone in Fedora Ambassadors Program should sign CLA[1] and join ambassadors group in your Fedora Account System[2]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem Please read "Minimal Requirements" in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo Also, we have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting tomorrow at 2006-04-20 22:00 UTC See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings for your local time. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From russell at fedora.redhat.com Thu Apr 20 09:37:40 2006 From: russell at fedora.redhat.com (Russell John) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:37:40 +0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting timing Message-ID: <44475664.3070908@fedora.redhat.com> Thomas Chung wrote: > Also, we have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting tomorrow at 2006-04-20 22:00 UTC > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings for your local time. Hi Thomas, I won't be able to join the meeting as it'll be 4 in the morning my place. Ambassadors from my region including the Indian Ambassadors will face the same problem if they don't suffer from insomnia... Is it possible to stick to the 14:00 UTC timing for our meetings? Thanks, Russell -- Fedora Ambassador for Bangladesh From eteo at redhat.com Thu Apr 20 09:10:12 2006 From: eteo at redhat.com (Eugene Teo) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:10:12 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting timing In-Reply-To: <44475664.3070908@fedora.redhat.com> References: <44475664.3070908@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44474FF4.3020802@redhat.com> Russell John wrote: > Thomas Chung wrote: > >> Also, we have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting tomorrow at 2006-04-20 22:00 UTC >> See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings for your local time. > > Hi Thomas, > > I won't be able to join the meeting as it'll be 4 in the morning my > place. Ambassadors from my region including the Indian Ambassadors > will face the same problem if they don't suffer from insomnia... > > Is it possible to stick to the 14:00 UTC timing for our meetings? It is a little better in this part of the world, Singapore, but then again, it's 6am! Can we stick to the 14:00 UTC timing as Russell mentioned if everyone is comfortable with it? Eugene -- eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 20 09:50:19 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:50:19 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting timing In-Reply-To: <44474FF4.3020802@redhat.com> References: <44475664.3070908@fedora.redhat.com> <44474FF4.3020802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604200250n70c9be8en3c057fff839e8ef@mail.gmail.com> Ambassador meetings alternate 14:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC. this time is 22:00 UTC. Next week it will be 14:00 UTC. The reason is that at 14:00 UTC, Europeans are at work. Hence they can catch up at 22:00 UTC the next week. Same is for you guys, 22:00 UTC is late but you have the chance to catch up the following week. Everyone is happy :) Concerning 22:00 UTC, in Europe it will be midnight (except UK) which is quite late for those Europeans who work the next day. I propose that the 22:00 UTC be changed to 21:00 UTC since we are no longer in winter time. Cheers, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 12:07:07 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:07:07 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC Message-ID: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> Be there, Ladies and Gents! -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Apr 20 19:14:37 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:14:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FISL Update Message-ID: <20060420191437.65723.qmail@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, We are in the second day of FISL event, below you can find some photos. We'll update the website as soon as the event is running. http://projetofedora.org/node/28 We found some guys from Red Hat, Christofer came with OLPC, some Juan Ruiz and other guys. They seen to be happy with ou presence here. We wanna says thanks to you all. Our webdesigner (Jayme Ayres) says: "I'm sorry", because the templates in the website is not good. We'll fix this as soon as we find some time. Thanks guys! Rodrigo Menezes --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espa?o, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We'll fix this as soon as we find some time. > > Thanks guys! > > Rodrigo Menezes > > ------------------------------ > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail- 1GB de espa?o, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 21 14:25:49 2006 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FUDCon San Francisco 2006? In-Reply-To: <1145453232.25148.33.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1145453232.25148.33.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1145629549.28240.54.camel@deepfort> Karsten and All, While I love the idea, I seriously think we should hold off on this for now. Aside from the fact that we have no venue, we have very little time to plan anything at this point. Also there is another reason we might not want to have an SF FUDCon right now, I will talk to Karsten about this off list. Jack On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 06:27 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > Is anyone interested in having a FUDCon this year to coincide with > LinuxWorld San Francisco? The target date would be 18 August. > > Alternately, is there another great San Francisco/Silicon Valley event > that we could attach to or pair up with to have a FUDCon? > > Our big challenges are: > > 1. A venue > 2. A draw > > I saw recently how valuable and useful the Boston University space was > (mad props to Matt, Paul, and all the BU folks). Good facilities and > early access are essential. > > What draws people to the FUDCon? Good speakers, that's one thing. How > many Fedora developers are in the Bay Area? > > Another draw is being connected to a big open source attractor such as > LinuxWorld. Except, uh, LWCE isn't the same kind of FLOSS draw as it > was in the past. Is there something better? > > Planning to commence here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConSanFrancsico2006 > > I know Guntharp is out there. What other Fedora Ambassadors and project > contributors are local to Northern California? > > - Karsten > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From eteo at redhat.com Fri Apr 21 14:38:00 2006 From: eteo at redhat.com (Eugene Teo) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:38:00 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > Be there, Ladies and Gents! (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be talking about Fedora in general and FC5. (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, and it will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully I will receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now but Colin confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see how it goes. puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you mind mailing me a copy for my reference please? Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop me a note in case I missed it. I will be glad to help out. Thanks. Eugene -- eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 14:45:48 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:45:48 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> Thank you very much for your report Eugene! a On 4/21/06, Eugene Teo wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > Be there, Ladies and Gents! > > (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) > Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be > talking about Fedora in general and FC5. > (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? > (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene > (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 > (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 > (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 > (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on > > I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. > > Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, and it > will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully I will > receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now but Colin > confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see how it > goes. > > puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you mind mailing > me a copy for my reference please? > > Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop me a note > in case I missed it. I will be glad to help out. > > Thanks. > > Eugene > -- > eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 15:04:11 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:04:11 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit Message-ID: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> Folks, I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the Free Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting projects going on? So here is the solution: >From now on, before reviewing the events, and right after the Famsco update in the Ambassadors meeting, there will be a section dedicated to project reports, in which people belonging to the particular project can report on their activity. This will help us know what is going on besides the events, and also to hold the Ambassadors accountable for the projects they run, so we can assure excellence of all our projects. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule for the new Schedule item, and add your own project to the list! Cheers, a -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From nman64 at n-man.com Fri Apr 21 15:36:58 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:36:58 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604211037.01030.nman64@n-man.com> On Friday 21 April 2006 10:04, "Alex Maier" wrote: > Folks, > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the Free > Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting projects > going on? > Note that, with the formation of the Fedora Distribution Project, the Free Media and Sponsored Media programs are no longer components of Fedora Ambassadors in any sense. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? 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Barnes wrote: > On Friday 21 April 2006 10:04, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the Free > > Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting projects > > going on? > > > > Note that, with the formation of the Fedora Distribution Project, the Free > Media and Sponsored Media programs are no longer components of Fedora > Ambassadors in any sense. BUT, members of our project are participating in these efforts, so why shouldn't they tell our fellow Ambassadors about their activities? It is good to see initiatives coming out of our project grow to become independent projects of their own! Cheers, a From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Apr 21 16:29:44 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:29:44 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <200604211037.01030.nman64@n-man.com> <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le vendredi 21 avril 2006 ? 11:42 -0400, Alex Maier a ?crit : > On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > On Friday 21 April 2006 10:04, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > > > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the Free > > > Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting projects > > > going on? > > > > > > > Note that, with the formation of the Fedora Distribution Project, the Free > > Media and Sponsored Media programs are no longer components of Fedora > > Ambassadors in any sense. > > BUT, members of our project are participating in these efforts, so why > shouldn't they tell our fellow Ambassadors about their activities? > > It is good to see initiatives coming out of our project grow to become > independent projects of their own! > > Cheers, That is definetely a very good news. I have several *activities* that I would like to be recognized as Ambassador activities, like the translation of the FWN, the management of the French Community website and a project I have to create a French podcast like Fedora Reloaded. We will have future occasions to talk about this later again I think :) Regards -- Thomas Canniot http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Barnes wrote: > > > On Friday 21 April 2006 10:04, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > > > > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the Free > > > > Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting projects > > > > going on? > > > > > > > > > > Note that, with the formation of the Fedora Distribution Project, the Free > > > Media and Sponsored Media programs are no longer components of Fedora > > > Ambassadors in any sense. > > > > BUT, members of our project are participating in these efforts, so why > > shouldn't they tell our fellow Ambassadors about their activities? > > > > It is good to see initiatives coming out of our project grow to become > > independent projects of their own! > > > > Cheers, > > That is definetely a very good news. I have several *activities* that I > would like to be recognized as Ambassador activities, like the > translation of the FWN, the management of the French Community website > and a project I have to create a French podcast like Fedora Reloaded. > > We will have future occasions to talk about this later again I think :) > > Regards > -- > Thomas Canniot > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBESQh4u9DnUSjKO00RAn+XAJ9rd0Vxd7XjfLr34fNIsvCAHoJV1gCgsfLP > d97RsrgWgLJAGGbe5GOXQEM= > =b73z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 16:12:31 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:12:31 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <200604211037.01030.nman64@n-man.com> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <200604211037.01030.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200604211712.31701.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> > > Folks, > > > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the Free > > Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting projects > > going on? I don't seem to have got the original message, so I don't know if there was more. I started Word Of Mouth, as a sub-project of ambassadors, as a result of ambassadors being too event-centric. I feel that this will mean that ambassadors being about events/lugs too much will then not be a problem, and will actually mean that the main ambassadors project can focus more on events. As for Distribution, even though it has started off because of Sponsored Media (which was an idea by several ambassadors), I don't feel they're related anymore. Clair From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 18:36:41 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:36:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <200604211936.41760.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> On Friday 21 April 2006 17:29, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Le vendredi 21 avril 2006 ? 11:42 -0400, Alex Maier a ?crit : > > On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > > On Friday 21 April 2006 10:04, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > > > > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the > > > > Free Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting > > > > projects going on? > > > > > > Note that, with the formation of the Fedora Distribution Project, the > > > Free Media and Sponsored Media programs are no longer components of > > > Fedora Ambassadors in any sense. > > > > BUT, members of our project are participating in these efforts, so why > > shouldn't they tell our fellow Ambassadors about their activities? > > > > It is good to see initiatives coming out of our project grow to become > > independent projects of their own! > > > > Cheers, > > That is definetely a very good news. I have several *activities* that I > would like to be recognized as Ambassador activities, like the > translation of the FWN, the management of the French Community website > and a project I have to create a French podcast like Fedora Reloaded. > > We will have future occasions to talk about this later again I think :) A French community could be great, but isn't really an Ambassadors thing - in fact, I don't really see it as a Marketing thing, either. Maybe you could start your own Fedora French project? Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 18:43:35 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:43:35 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <200604211936.41760.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <200604211936.41760.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> Message-ID: <7f617d270604211143i5448c83gdc963ef273652d9b@mail.gmail.com> Once again, let us not bicker over technicalieties. We need to get stuff done, not figure out a constitution or found a new nation! :) A little bit of improv. here and there, and a bit of spontaneity and tolerance will make us only richer for it. Thanks all, Alex From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 18:54:18 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:24:18 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? Message-ID: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Well, the question is in the subject. Is the ambassadors project in utter chaos, and losing focus? First the ambassadors is the entire marketing initiative Then, we announce ambassadors is strictly for spreading events, and the marketing list is for all else. And now, we are bringing non-ambassador stuff back to the ambassadors meetings? And the meetings... We seem to be spending as much time arbitrarily disciplining ambassadors for `speaking out of turn`, as we are getting the work done. I hate to say this, but I don't know if the current team of lxmaier + tchung as chair of the meeting is working out :(, no offense to either lx or thomas. May I please volunteer EvilBob to perhaps lead the next meeting, if he is available? Perhaps it is time for each ambassador to rethink why (s)he is part of the project, and what they hope to contribute. Gja From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 18:55:52 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:55:52 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <200604211955.53427.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Friday 21 April 2006 19:54, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Well, the question is in the subject. > > Is the ambassadors project in utter chaos, and losing focus? > > First the ambassadors is the entire marketing initiative > Then, we announce ambassadors is strictly for spreading events, and the > marketing list is for all else. > And now, we are bringing non-ambassador stuff back to the ambassadors > meetings? Ambassadors is (now) for events and lugs, and such. What's the harm in talking about other material during the meetings? > And the meetings... > We seem to be spending as much time arbitrarily disciplining ambassadors > for `speaking out of turn`, as we are getting the work done. The less people speak out of turn, the less chaotic it gets. People will eventually realise that speaking out of turn is pointless; but we also need to educate those not in the know. This is something that needs to be made clearer on the wiki, and also something that maybe mentors can assist with. > I hate to say this, but I don't know if the current team of lxmaier + > tchung as chair of the meeting is working out :(, no offense to either > lx or thomas. I think that Alex and Thomas are doing fine jobs. > May I please volunteer EvilBob to perhaps lead the next meeting, if he > is available? I think it is perhaps not the best plan to have the person voted in to chair to not chair. Clair From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 19:10:44 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:40:44 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <200604211955.53427.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604211955.53427.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1145646644.2740.25.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 19:55 +0100, Clair wrote: > Ambassadors is (now) for events and lugs, and such. What's the harm in talking > about other material during the meetings? By that logic, having non-ambassador stuff on the ambassadors list also makes sense. > > We seem to be spending as much time arbitrarily disciplining ambassadors > > for `speaking out of turn`, as we are getting the work done. > > The less people speak out of turn, the less chaotic it gets. By that logic, the last meeting should have been very chaotic, as at least 10 people were caught for speaking out of turn > People will eventually realise that speaking out of turn is pointless; By that time, more ambassadors will have joined > but we also need > to educate those not in the know. This is something that needs to be made > clearer on the wiki, and also something that maybe mentors can assist with. And I must say that is should be out highest priority We must get everyone working on it, right away > > I hate to say this, but I don't know if the current team of lxmaier + > > tchung as chair of the meeting is working out :(, no offense to either > > lx or thomas. > > I think that Alex and Thomas are doing fine jobs. > > > May I please volunteer EvilBob to perhaps lead the next meeting, if he > > is available? > > I think it is perhaps not the best plan to have the person voted in to chair > to not chair. Who said anything about voting? And why not, in any case? Gja From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 18:31:43 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <200604211931.43989.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> On Friday 21 April 2006 17:29, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Le vendredi 21 avril 2006 ? 11:42 -0400, Alex Maier a ?crit : > > On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > > On Friday 21 April 2006 10:04, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I have been thinking about what makes us look so awfully > > > > event'centric, while we have so many other things going, like the > > > > Free Media, Word of Mouth, Sponsored Media, and other exciting > > > > projects going on? > > > > > > Note that, with the formation of the Fedora Distribution Project, the > > > Free Media and Sponsored Media programs are no longer components of > > > Fedora Ambassadors in any sense. > > > > BUT, members of our project are participating in these efforts, so why > > shouldn't they tell our fellow Ambassadors about their activities? > > > > It is good to see initiatives coming out of our project grow to become > > independent projects of their own! > > > > Cheers, > > That is definetely a very good news. I have several *activities* that I > would like to be recognized as Ambassador activities, like the > translation of the FWN, the management of the French Community website > and a project I have to create a French podcast like Fedora Reloaded. > > We will have future occasions to talk about this later again I think :) A French community could be great, but isn't really an Ambassadors thing - in fact, I don't really see it as a Marketing thing, either. Maybe you could start your own Fedora French project? Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 19:40:06 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:06 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <1145646644.2740.25.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604211955.53427.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1145646644.2740.25.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <7f617d270604211240o5fdafdc8j4af4a67e0b76ada5@mail.gmail.com> Okay folks, easy here. On 4/21/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 19:55 +0100, Clair wrote: > > > Ambassadors is (now) for events and lugs, and such. What's the harm in talking > > about other material during the meetings? This is what Clair defines the project to be. This is NOT what the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee defined the project to be. The official mission statement for the Ambassadors group is: "Fedora Ambassadors are people like you and me, who go to places where other Linux users and potential converts gather and tell them about Fedora?the project and the distribution." Our aims are: * Represent Fedora Project to the wider public * Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source * Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the feedback to Fedora Project * Help recruit project contributors * Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region Any activity that does not contradict the mission statement and the declared aims can be part of the Ambassadors project. Nobody on the Steering Committee is policing what initiatives/activities should or should not be part of the Ambassadors project, as long as they are not contrary to our Aims and our Mission. This is not chaos. This is Freedom. Ambassadors are free to spread the word about Fedora in any way they want, as long as it's legal, of course, and does not harm the image of Fedora. Limiting ourselves to only certain type of activity, but not others, will only harm us in the long run. I hope this answers your questions. a From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 19:43:19 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:19 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <200604211931.43989.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <200604211931.43989.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> Message-ID: <7f617d270604211243o10fcccf5pb6d5600cb12af28b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/06, Clair wrote: > A French community could be great, but isn't really an Ambassadors thing - in > fact, I don't really see it as a Marketing thing, either. Maybe you could > start your own Fedora French project? Why split up a project while we can all benefit from learning from each other and help each other out? Thomas, as long as you are helping spread the word about Fedora, and compy with Ambassadors guidelines and such, there is absolutely no need to split your initiatives away from the larger project! Your contributions are always welcome. a From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 21 19:55:34 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:55:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Let's talk about stuff, OR Taking the focus off events a bit In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211243o10fcccf5pb6d5600cb12af28b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604210804je73354x483d9f97c67ca5f6@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270604210842j52989997w7d30a7cce761aecf@mail.gmail.com> <1145636984.24389.28.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <200604211931.43989.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211243o10fcccf5pb6d5600cb12af28b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604211255m58c2d5c0o2a6a2ef42cebd43b@mail.gmail.com> > Thomas, as long as you are helping spread the word about Fedora, and > compy with Ambassadors guidelines and such, there is absolutely no > need to split your initiatives away from the larger project! Your > contributions are always welcome. +1 Imagine just my splitting major projects The Fedora Project will count thousands of mini projects in the end. Hence hard to present or count or even remember by Ambassadors. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 20:02:37 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:02:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211240o5fdafdc8j4af4a67e0b76ada5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1145646644.2740.25.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <7f617d270604211240o5fdafdc8j4af4a67e0b76ada5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604212102.38152.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> On Friday 21 April 2006 20:40, Alex Maier wrote: > Any activity that does not contradict the mission statement and the > declared aims can be part of the Ambassadors project. > > Nobody on the Steering Committee is policing what > initiatives/activities should or should not be part of the Ambassadors > project, as long as they are not contrary to our Aims and our Mission. So, Ambassadors is now Marketing? Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 20:13:41 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <200604212102.38152.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1145646644.2740.25.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <7f617d270604211240o5fdafdc8j4af4a67e0b76ada5@mail.gmail.com> <200604212102.38152.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> Message-ID: <7f617d270604211313n7bdee3f5w90d5e3ab8c2344f1@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/06, Clair wrote: > On Friday 21 April 2006 20:40, Alex Maier wrote: > > Any activity that does not contradict the mission statement and the > > declared aims can be part of the Ambassadors project. > > > > Nobody on the Steering Committee is policing what > > initiatives/activities should or should not be part of the Ambassadors > > project, as long as they are not contrary to our Aims and our Mission. > > So, Ambassadors is now Marketing? Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. a From clair at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 20:14:12 2006 From: clair at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair Shaw) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:14:12 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211313n7bdee3f5w90d5e3ab8c2344f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212102.38152.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211313n7bdee3f5w90d5e3ab8c2344f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> On Friday 21 April 2006 21:13, Alex Maier wrote: > On 4/21/06, Clair wrote: > > On Friday 21 April 2006 20:40, Alex Maier wrote: > > > Any activity that does not contradict the mission statement and the > > > declared aims can be part of the Ambassadors project. > > > > > > Nobody on the Steering Committee is policing what > > > initiatives/activities should or should not be part of the Ambassadors > > > project, as long as they are not contrary to our Aims and our Mission. > > > > So, Ambassadors is now Marketing? > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. > a Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing? Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 20:20:54 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:20:54 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212102.38152.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211313n7bdee3f5w90d5e3ab8c2344f1@mail.gmail.com> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> Message-ID: <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw wrote: > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. > > a > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing? fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do not get stuff done, according to my experience. fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual Ambassadors' initiatives. a From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 20:32:11 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:11 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604212132.12291.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> On Friday 21 April 2006 21:20, Alex Maier wrote: > On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw wrote: > > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it > > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. > > > a > > > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing? > > fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do > not get stuff done, according to my experience. > > fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering > committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual > Ambassadors' initiatives. If nothing gets done by the Marketing project then something is seriously wrong. Quote from the wiki: "I take care of Fedora Marketing. My highest priority at the moment is leading the Fedora Ambassadors program." Clair From nman64 at n-man.com Fri Apr 21 20:43:32 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:32 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604211543.34764.nman64@n-man.com> On Friday 21 April 2006 15:20, "Alex Maier" wrote: > On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw wrote: > > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it > > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. > > > a > > > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing? > > fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do > not get stuff done, according to my experience. > > fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering > committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual > Ambassadors' initiatives. > Fedora Ambassadors was given 100% focus after it was created. That is the reason that Marketing has become what it now is. It *used* to get things done. It *used* to be lively, complete with meetings (which were promptly dissolved and replaced with Ambassadors meetings) and several major milestones (including formation of the Ambassadors program) achieved. The fact that management neglected it horribly does not change the purposes of each of Ambassadors and Marketing. The close timing between when the Community Marketing Contacts idea arose and when the management of Marketing was handed off was unfortunate. It is highly inappropriate for the Ambassadors program to extend its reach into projects that are not within its scope. I have no objection to Ambassadors having its own sub-projects, nor with status updates being provided by members of other projects, but the Ambassadors program must know where to draw the line. Fracturing can occur if ambassadors fail to acknowledge what items belong to what projects. A more fair statement of what is within the Ambassadors scope would be "all items which meet the stated mission and goals of the Fedora Ambassadors program and do not conflict with any other existing Fedora project." Attempts to extend beyond that scope will only cause problems for the Ambassadors program and for the Fedora Project. As a side note, fedora-france.org stands quite well on its own as a community resource, just like projetofedora.org and others. They don't need to be pulled into the Ambassadors umbrella, but every bit of exposure will help them. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sharing talks, presentations etc, but instead, we get disagreements on the meaning of "ambassador" Well, I have not attended a "big event" nor intend to. Why? New Zealand does not have them (or not often), so I have no interest in the "swags" and "banners" I barely attend my local LUG, its a solid debian LUG and I have no intention to wage ware on other distros. I do, however, answer any and or all emails that are about RHEL/FC on mt local LUG mailing lists and our country wide LUG mailing list. I also help supply people with media (free media project). Now, I will be removing myself from this list, simply because I am sick of reading about crap that is not on topic, doesn't benefit the ambassadors and only goes to confirm that yes, we are in a state of chaos. I have better things to do within Fedora (read extras, mentors), than sit here reading this rubbish. I would appreciate my ambassador status on the wiki to remain, as New Zealand only has myself to represent it, but if someone feels different, they can contact me off list and explain why it needs to be removed. So, I bid you good luck, I hope you figure out what ever it is you want to figure out. I will look back to the list later and see of people of gotten over what ever it is that is bugging them. Michael From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Fri Apr 21 20:54:41 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:24:41 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Eugene, Surely i will mail you my presentation on FOSS and FC 5. And thanks for your support.....will definatley make a contact with you when some event happens here :-). Cheers! On 4/21/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Thank you very much for your report Eugene! > a > > On 4/21/06, Eugene Teo wrote: > > Alex Maier wrote: > > > Be there, Ladies and Gents! > > > > (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) > > Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be > > talking about Fedora in general and FC5. > > (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? > > (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene > > (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 > > (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 > > (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 > > (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on > > > > I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. > > > > Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, and it > > will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully I > will > > receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now but > Colin > > confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see how it > > goes. > > > > puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you mind > mailing > > me a copy for my reference please? > > > > Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop me a > note > > in case I missed it. 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In-Reply-To: <444944BA.9030505@knox.net.nz> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212102.38152.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211313n7bdee3f5w90d5e3ab8c2344f1@mail.gmail.com> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> <444944BA.9030505@knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <73396bd30604211408m11d02fb6x6c06647197f8bff7@mail.gmail.com> It seems a bit of thing that if we're deviating more in the directions rather than that of the Ambassadors project. Michael has said it right, and any one could get sick of these (as he calls crap) if it continues even more. What we need to gather up, and with a enlighten enthusiasm prepare and work to fulfill the goal of the project. It does not matter what sub-projects the Ambassadors choose in order to achieve the goal, they have the freedom (as Alex say) as long as they are target to achieve that very common goal. Hope this concludes all that from Michael, Tejas, Alex, Clair, & Patrick. Regards Abhishek Singh On 4/22/06, Michael J Knox wrote: > > You know, I am getting pretty sick of reading this crap. Time and time > again, it seems to be coming up. > > I was hoping the ambassadors project to be more of a support channel. > Sharing talks, presentations etc, but instead, we get disagreements on > the meaning of "ambassador" > > Well, I have not attended a "big event" nor intend to. Why? New Zealand > does not have them (or not often), so I have no interest in the "swags" > and "banners" > > I barely attend my local LUG, its a solid debian LUG and I have no > intention to wage ware on other distros. > > I do, however, answer any and or all emails that are about RHEL/FC on mt > local LUG mailing lists and our country wide LUG mailing list. I also > help supply people with media (free media project). > > Now, I will be removing myself from this list, simply because I am sick > of reading about crap that is not on topic, doesn't benefit the > ambassadors and only goes to confirm that yes, we are in a state of > chaos. I have better things to do within Fedora (read extras, mentors), > than sit here reading this rubbish. > > I would appreciate my ambassador status on the wiki to remain, as New > Zealand only has myself to represent it, but if someone feels different, > they can contact me off list and explain why it needs to be removed. > > So, I bid you good luck, I hope you figure out what ever it is you want > to figure out. I will look back to the list later and see of people of > gotten over what ever it is that is bugging them. > > Michael > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 21:09:32 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:09:32 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <200604211543.34764.nman64@n-man.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> <200604211543.34764.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270604211409mfca2f3dvc5606d346828543e@mail.gmail.com> I am a doer, and I do not see a point in arguing about this whole issue, instead of knowcking out some useful document for a newbie who has questions about Fedora. Instead, discussions like this keep surfacing, taking everyone's time, without any constructive output. I am moving to close this discussion--nobody from the Marketing group has complained yet that our activities have encroached on their project. The moment they do, I will be sure to sort this out. For the time being, let us concentrate on getting the message out to the masses. Over and out. a On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > On Friday 21 April 2006 15:20, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw wrote: > > > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it > > > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. > > > > a > > > > > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing? > > > > fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do > > not get stuff done, according to my experience. > > > > fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering > > committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual > > Ambassadors' initiatives. > > > > Fedora Ambassadors was given 100% focus after it was created. That is the > reason that Marketing has become what it now is. It *used* to get things > done. It *used* to be lively, complete with meetings (which were promptly > dissolved and replaced with Ambassadors meetings) and several major > milestones (including formation of the Ambassadors program) achieved. The > fact that management neglected it horribly does not change the purposes of > each of Ambassadors and Marketing. The close timing between when the > Community Marketing Contacts idea arose and when the management of Marketing > was handed off was unfortunate. > > It is highly inappropriate for the Ambassadors program to extend its reach > into projects that are not within its scope. I have no objection to > Ambassadors having its own sub-projects, nor with status updates being > provided by members of other projects, but the Ambassadors program must know > where to draw the line. Fracturing can occur if ambassadors fail to > acknowledge what items belong to what projects. > > A more fair statement of what is within the Ambassadors scope would be "all > items which meet the stated mission and goals of the Fedora Ambassadors > program and do not conflict with any other existing Fedora project." > Attempts to extend beyond that scope will only cause problems for the > Ambassadors program and for the Fedora Project. > > As a side note, fedora-france.org stands quite well on its own as a community > resource, just like projetofedora.org and others. They don't need to be > pulled into the Ambassadors umbrella, but every bit of exposure will help > them. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Apr 21 21:10:36 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:10:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211409mfca2f3dvc5606d346828543e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604211543.34764.nman64@n-man.com> <7f617d270604211409mfca2f3dvc5606d346828543e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604212210.36783.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> On Friday 21 April 2006 22:09, Alex Maier wrote: > I am a doer, and I do not see a point in arguing about this whole > issue, instead of knowcking out some useful document for a newbie who > has questions about Fedora. Instead, discussions like this keep > surfacing, taking everyone's time, without any constructive output. Isn't that more suited to the Documentation project? > I am moving to close this discussion--nobody from the Marketing group > has complained yet that our activities have encroached on their > project. The moment they do, I will be sure to sort this out. You're the one in charge, that's why ;) Clair From rwhetsel at ravensong.com Fri Apr 21 21:28:23 2006 From: rwhetsel at ravensong.com (Robert Whetsel) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211409mfca2f3dvc5606d346828543e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> <200604211543.34764.nman64@n-man.com> <7f617d270604211409mfca2f3dvc5606d346828543e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145654903.44494e77498ce@mail.ravensong.com> +1 Alex This is a waste of everyones time, I have spent the last hour going over these treads. And for what? Nothing! None of us have time to nitpick over minor issues. Pick a project, lend a hand if it is not what you think it should be research the issues on how you can help and offer a solution. And, before you blow things out of proportion, try to look at the bigger picture. The fact that I am writing this and coding really pisses me off. I get paid when I work, not when I waste time on useless threads! -- Cheers, Robert C. Whetsel - CEO & Founder Fedora Global Ambassador SuSE Developer RavenSong Open Technologies, Inc. DBA: The Raven Group (1992) Open Source Architects Specializing in Enterprise Linux Business Solutions Frederick Innovative Technology Center 401 Rosemont Avenue Frederick, MD 21701 240-215-3944 www.ravensong.com Quoting Alex Maier : > I am a doer, and I do not see a point in arguing about this whole > issue, instead of knowcking out some useful document for a newbie who > has questions about Fedora. Instead, discussions like this keep > surfacing, taking everyone's time, without any constructive output. > > I am moving to close this discussion--nobody from the Marketing group > has complained yet that our activities have encroached on their > project. The moment they do, I will be sure to sort this out. > > For the time being, let us concentrate on getting the message out to the > masses. > Over and out. > a > > On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > On Friday 21 April 2006 15:20, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > > On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw wrote: > > > > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it > > > > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission. > > > > > a > > > > > > > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing? > > > > > > fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do > > > not get stuff done, according to my experience. > > > > > > fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering > > > committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual > > > Ambassadors' initiatives. > > > > > > > Fedora Ambassadors was given 100% focus after it was created. That is the > > reason that Marketing has become what it now is. It *used* to get things > > done. It *used* to be lively, complete with meetings (which were promptly > > dissolved and replaced with Ambassadors meetings) and several major > > milestones (including formation of the Ambassadors program) achieved. The > > fact that management neglected it horribly does not change the purposes of > > each of Ambassadors and Marketing. The close timing between when the > > Community Marketing Contacts idea arose and when the management of > Marketing > > was handed off was unfortunate. > > > > It is highly inappropriate for the Ambassadors program to extend its reach > > into projects that are not within its scope. I have no objection to > > Ambassadors having its own sub-projects, nor with status updates being > > provided by members of other projects, but the Ambassadors program must > know > > where to draw the line. Fracturing can occur if ambassadors fail to > > acknowledge what items belong to what projects. > > > > A more fair statement of what is within the Ambassadors scope would be > "all > > items which meet the stated mission and goals of the Fedora Ambassadors > > program and do not conflict with any other existing Fedora project." > > Attempts to extend beyond that scope will only cause problems for the > > Ambassadors program and for the Fedora Project. > > > > As a side note, fedora-france.org stands quite well on its own as a > community > > resource, just like projetofedora.org and others. They don't need to be > > pulled into the Ambassadors umbrella, but every bit of exposure will help > > them. > > > > -- > > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > > nman64 at n-man.com > > > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Apr 21 21:36:52 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:36:52 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <1145654903.44494e77498ce@mail.ravensong.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604212114.13497.clair@cds-world.co.uk> <7f617d270604211320l6b7f43afrdae34c10de0496a6@mail.gmail.com> <200604211543.34764.nman64@n-man.com> <7f617d270604211409mfca2f3dvc5606d346828543e@mail.gmail.com> <1145654903.44494e77498ce@mail.ravensong.com> Message-ID: <1145655412.24389.35.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le vendredi 21 avril 2006 ? 16:28 -0500, Robert Whetsel a ?crit : > +1 Alex > > This is a waste of everyones time, I have spent the last hour going over these > treads. And for what? Nothing! None of us have time to nitpick over minor > issues. Pick a project, lend a hand if it is not what you think it should be > research the issues on how you can help and offer a solution. And, before you > blow things out of proportion, try to look at the bigger picture. The fact that > I am writing this and coding really pisses me off. I get paid when I work, not > when I waste time on useless threads! > > -- > Cheers, > > Robert C. Whetsel - CEO & Founder > Fedora Global Ambassador > SuSE Developer > > RavenSong Open Technologies, Inc. > DBA: The Raven Group (1992) > Open Source Architects Specializing in > Enterprise Linux Business Solutions > > Frederick Innovative Technology Center > 401 Rosemont Avenue > Frederick, MD 21701 > 240-215-3944 > www.ravensong.com > I agree as well, I personaly don't give a damn about that fuss. We have better buzz to make rather than that. I want to go forward, to move on. Keep losing your time like if you wish, all I want is to be helped promoting the distro, Linux and free software. That's all. -- Thomas Canniot http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All I ask is that the appropriate amount of attention be payed to the scope of each project. Naturally, there will be some evolution taking place in this regard, and I understand that, but we can't disregard boundaries at the cost of project quality. Nobody gets to brush this under the rug. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Apr 22 02:50:19 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:20:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos? In-Reply-To: <7f617d270604211240o5fdafdc8j4af4a67e0b76ada5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1145645658.2740.13.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200604211955.53427.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1145646644.2740.25.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <7f617d270604211240o5fdafdc8j4af4a67e0b76ada5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145674219.12003.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> The following definition is good enough for me. It is interesting, that here we are defining an ambassador on a moral/ethical definition rather than a hard written one. I Like it :) I don't know how to close a thread, but I got my answers. Tejas On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:40 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > The official mission statement for the Ambassadors group is: "Fedora > Ambassadors are people like you and me, who go to places where other > Linux users and potential converts gather and tell them about > Fedora?the project and the distribution." > > Our aims are: > > * Represent Fedora Project to the wider public > * Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source > * Be a point of contact for local community members and > channel the feedback to Fedora Project > * Help recruit project contributors > * Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region > > Any activity that does not contradict the mission statement and the > declared aims can be part of the Ambassadors project. > > Nobody on the Steering Committee is policing what > initiatives/activities should or should not be part of the Ambassadors > project, as long as they are not contrary to our Aims and our Mission. > > This is not chaos. This is Freedom. > > Ambassadors are free to spread the word about Fedora in any way they > want, as long as it's legal, of course, and does not harm the image of > Fedora. Limiting ourselves to only certain type of activity, but not > others, will only harm us in the long run. From eteo at redhat.com Sat Apr 22 06:17:06 2006 From: eteo at redhat.com (Eugene Teo) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:17:06 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4449CA62.4010603@redhat.com> puneet batura wrote: > Hi Eugene, > > Surely i will mail you my presentation on FOSS and FC 5. And thanks for your > support.....will definatley make a contact with you when some event happens > here :-). Thanks a lot Puneet :) Eugene > On 4/21/06, Alex Maier wrote: >> Thank you very much for your report Eugene! >> a >> >> On 4/21/06, Eugene Teo wrote: >>> Alex Maier wrote: >>>> Be there, Ladies and Gents! >>> (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) >>> Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be >>> talking about Fedora in general and FC5. >>> (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? >>> (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene >>> (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 >>> (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 >>> (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 >>> (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on >>> >>> I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. >>> >>> Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, and it >>> will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully I >> will >>> receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now but >> Colin >>> confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see how it >>> goes. >>> >>> puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you mind >> mailing >>> me a copy for my reference please? >>> >>> Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop me a >> note >>> in case I missed it. I will be glad to help out. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Eugene >>> -- >>> eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo >>> gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 -- eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Sat Apr 22 08:59:01 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:29:01 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4449CA62.4010603@redhat.com> References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> <4449CA62.4010603@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi Eugene and Gerold, The presentation is being mailed to both of you. Hope it helps! Cheers! On 4/22/06, Eugene Teo wrote: > > puneet batura wrote: > > Hi Eugene, > > > > Surely i will mail you my presentation on FOSS and FC 5. And thanks for > your > > support.....will definatley make a contact with you when some event > happens > > here :-). > > Thanks a lot Puneet :) > > Eugene > > > On 4/21/06, Alex Maier wrote: > >> Thank you very much for your report Eugene! > >> a > >> > >> On 4/21/06, Eugene Teo wrote: > >>> Alex Maier wrote: > >>>> Be there, Ladies and Gents! > >>> (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) > >>> Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be > >>> talking about Fedora in general and FC5. > >>> (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? > >>> (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene > >>> (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 > >>> (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 > >>> (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 > >>> (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on > >>> > >>> I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. > >>> > >>> Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, and > it > >>> will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully I > >> will > >>> receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now but > >> Colin > >>> confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see how > it > >>> goes. > >>> > >>> puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you mind > >> mailing > >>> me a copy for my reference please? > >>> > >>> Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop me a > >> note > >>> in case I missed it. I will be glad to help out. > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Eugene > >>> -- > >>> eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > >>> gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 > > > -- > eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Apr 22 09:13:45 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:13:45 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Marketing ideas -- I have to strongly _disagree_ with 99% of this ... In-Reply-To: <4449E168.2060501@adelphia.net> References: <4449DE19.1030006@adelphia.net> <4449E168.2060501@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <200604221013.46334.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> On Saturday 22 April 2006 08:55, Jasper O'neal Hartline wrote: > I must also include, I was already put-off by asking why we had > Fedora Ambassadors spying on Mandriva install parties on this list. > > I don't know what is or isn't the job, idealogy or focus of Ambassadors > but I can say personally that isn't how things work around my house. > Spying on other projects install parties to better yourself is exactly > what it was, whether you want to take it in that context or not. > > In any case I had shown the mails to a few people and they were less than > impressed. I think the ambassadors need to stop with the tunnel vision and > try to think about priorities. As an Ambassador I would think it is in your > focus to promote Fedora Core, end of story. If it was spying, they'd be wearing black clothes and jumping in through the ceiling :) But seriously, an ambassador went along to an install party to see "how they did it", so that Fedora ones can take any good ideas from it. No harm in that, is there? Clair From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 22 10:08:47 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:08:47 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> <4449CA62.4010603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604220308w5cef92e5sbd33c5c41e14804c@mail.gmail.com> Not directly to the list or to the wiki ? :) On 4/22/06, puneet batura wrote: > Hi Eugene and Gerold, > > The presentation is being mailed to both of you. Hope it helps! > > Cheers! > > > On 4/22/06, Eugene Teo < eteo at redhat.com> wrote: > > puneet batura wrote: > > > Hi Eugene, > > > > > > Surely i will mail you my presentation on FOSS and FC 5. And thanks for > your > > > support.....will definatley make a contact with you when some event > happens > > > here :-). > > > > Thanks a lot Puneet :) > > > > Eugene > > > > > On 4/21/06, Alex Maier < lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Thank you very much for your report Eugene! > > >> a > > >> > > >> On 4/21/06, Eugene Teo wrote: > > >>> Alex Maier wrote: > > >>>> Be there, Ladies and Gents! > > >>> (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) > > >>> Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be > > >>> talking about Fedora in general and FC5. > > >>> (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? > > >>> (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene > > >>> (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 > > >>> (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 > > >>> (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 > > >>> (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on > > >>> > > >>> I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. > > >>> > > >>> Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, and > it > > >>> will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully I > > >> will > > >>> receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now but > > >> Colin > > >>> confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see how > it > > >>> goes. > > >>> > > >>> puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you mind > > >> mailing > > >>> me a copy for my reference please? > > >>> > > >>> Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop me a > > >> note > > >>> in case I missed it. I will be glad to help out. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks. > > >>> > > >>> Eugene > > >>> -- > > >>> eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 > http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > > >>> gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 > > > > > > -- > > eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 > http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > > gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > > Puneet Batura > Open Source Developer > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Sat Apr 22 15:12:00 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:12:00 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604220308w5cef92e5sbd33c5c41e14804c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270604200507g1d89ecb3s7f1220996470cbec@mail.gmail.com> <4448EE48.2090908@redhat.com> <7f617d270604210745v3ee65f1uc4a6cc117984692b@mail.gmail.com> <4449CA62.4010603@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0604220308w5cef92e5sbd33c5c41e14804c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chitlesh, The list max limit is 40kb hence cant go for that option but will surely upload the presentation on the wiki when i get time :) . On 4/22/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Not directly to the list or to the wiki ? :) > > On 4/22/06, puneet batura wrote: > > Hi Eugene and Gerold, > > > > The presentation is being mailed to both of you. Hope it helps! > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > On 4/22/06, Eugene Teo < eteo at redhat.com> wrote: > > > puneet batura wrote: > > > > Hi Eugene, > > > > > > > > Surely i will mail you my presentation on FOSS and FC 5. And thanks > for > > your > > > > support.....will definatley make a contact with you when some event > > happens > > > > here :-). > > > > > > Thanks a lot Puneet :) > > > > > > Eugene > > > > > > > On 4/21/06, Alex Maier < lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Thank you very much for your report Eugene! > > > >> a > > > >> > > > >> On 4/21/06, Eugene Teo wrote: > > > >>> Alex Maier wrote: > > > >>>> Be there, Ladies and Gents! > > > >>> (18:41:51) lxmaier: Apr 29, 2006 (tentative) LUGS (April) > > > >>> Singapore Management University, Singapore EugeneTeo Will be > > > >>> talking about Fedora in general and FC5. > > > >>> (18:41:58) lxmaier: is eugene here? > > > >>> (18:42:14) lxmaier: ping eugene > > > >>> (18:42:31) lxmaier: 3 > > > >>> (18:42:37) lxmaier: 2 > > > >>> (18:42:46) lxmaier: 1 > > > >>> (18:42:56) lxmaier: moving on > > > >>> > > > >>> I was still in bed at that time. Timezone differences. > > > >>> > > > >>> Anyway, just an update. We have confirmed the meeting date today, > and > > it > > > >>> will be held on Apr 29. I will talk about Fedora Core 5. Hopefully > I > > > >> will > > > >>> receive the Fedora t-shirts on time. It's been like 3-4 weeks now > but > > > >> Colin > > > >>> confirmed with me that gregdek already mailed it to me. Let's see > how > > it > > > >>> goes. > > > >>> > > > >>> puneet_batura, I read that you have some slides on FC5. Do you > mind > > > >> mailing > > > >>> me a copy for my reference please? > > > >>> > > > >>> Also, if there are any conferences near/in Singapore, please drop > me a > > > >> note > > > >>> in case I missed it. I will be glad to help out. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks. > > > >>> > > > >>> Eugene > > > >>> -- > > > >>> eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 > > http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > > > >>> gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF > 8823 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > eteo redhat.com ph: +65 6490 4142 > > http://www.kernel.org/~eugeneteo > > > gpg fingerprint: 47B9 90F6 AE4A 9C51 37E0 D6E1 EA84 C6A2 58DF 8823 > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > > > Puneet Batura > > Open Source Developer > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 23 12:30:27 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:30:27 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report : Event Lan Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0604230530i1fd38eadobf9c2dbd7ed1984c@mail.gmail.com> Report; This LAN gaming was a 2 days event. My speech had a duration of one and half hour, which was about OSS and how easy is to use them. Things i've discussed: - mp3 versus ogg - licenses : GPL, Propriety, BSD , which was very interactive. - intelligent downloading with yum - XGL, I used my girlfriend's dapper to do that. In the end, there was questions, lots of questions. I was surprised. Nevertheless, there was some propositions too, A guy told me that he shifted from Fedora to Ubuntu, just because he did a yum update from FC4 to FC5 which failed. At his disposal was ubuntu breezy, so he gave it a try. In accordance to him, there is a lack of tutorials for users (for FC) that missing compared to Ubuntu. See http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=100 (note he wasn't talking about patents softs) Eg. Which I tried myself and gave up to sleep. When Fedora Core 5 is installed on a USB harddisk ( which any new linux user will do), after a successfull installation, it won't boot from the USB just because the drivers are not modprobe before seeking the kernel. Some of the linux users gave up, Fedora for Ubuntu for this reason, because they found a howto some how on the internet. e.g what my girlfriend did : http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/03/dual-boot-on-external-usb-drive-with.html Most of the linux users there are using Ubuntu, for the mere simple reason Ubuntu's ShipIt. These guys don't go to each linux events which are hardly enough in their locality. So no Fedora DVDs! In fact, I think, many users have given a try to Fedora, because they heard so much about it. But in the end, they don't have enough materials online to continue their journey with it. Personnally it is something the Fedora Project should work on. Fedora Marketing is working good, but the achievement is not durable. Regards, Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From gerold at lugd.org Sun Apr 23 14:53:04 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:53:04 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Report : Event Lan In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0604230530i1fd38eadobf9c2dbd7ed1984c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0604230530i1fd38eadobf9c2dbd7ed1984c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145803984.2464.12.camel@NB-FedoraCore.homenet.local> OK, ... Chitlesh I did also the update from three maschines from FC4 to FC5 and ok, they all failed ... In this case you're right! But the issue that there are'nt enough HOWTOs and descriptions are in the web I personally NOT agree with you. From standing I'll know more that 5 big pages where to find a lot of information about Fedora, updating, post installation etc. etc. ... But maybe what is important is: we don't have any summery page where to find the most helps that's correct; but I think, the unity project (http://fedoraunity.org/) will close this issue and help that we're getting ONE Source ... Regards Gerold Am Sonntag, den 23.04.2006, 14:30 +0200 schrieb Chitlesh GOORAH: > Report; > > This LAN gaming was a 2 days event. > > My speech had a duration of one and half hour, which was about OSS and > how easy is to use them. > > Things i've discussed: > > - mp3 versus ogg > - licenses : GPL, Propriety, BSD , which was very interactive. > - intelligent downloading with yum > - XGL, I used my girlfriend's dapper to do that. > > In the end, there was questions, lots of questions. I was surprised. > > Nevertheless, there was some propositions too, > > A guy told me that he shifted from Fedora to Ubuntu, just because he > did a yum update from FC4 to FC5 which failed. At his disposal was > ubuntu breezy, so he gave it a try. In accordance to him, there is a > lack of tutorials for users (for FC) that missing compared to Ubuntu. > See http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=100 (note he wasn't > talking about patents softs) > > Eg. Which I tried myself and gave up to sleep. > When Fedora Core 5 is installed on a USB harddisk ( which any new > linux user will do), after a successfull installation, it won't boot > from the USB just because the drivers are not modprobe before seeking > the kernel. Some of the linux users gave up, Fedora for Ubuntu for > this reason, because they found a howto some how on the internet. e.g > what my girlfriend did : > http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/03/dual-boot-on-external-usb-drive-with.html > > Most of the linux users there are using Ubuntu, for the mere simple > reason Ubuntu's ShipIt. These guys don't go to each linux events which > are hardly enough in their locality. So no Fedora DVDs! > > In fact, I think, many users have given a try to Fedora, because they > heard so much about it. But in the end, they don't have enough > materials online to continue their journey with it. Personnally it is > something the Fedora Project should work on. Fedora Marketing is > working good, but the achievement is not durable. > > Regards, > Chitlesh Goorah > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They are power users (I'm in a Computer Engineering degree, so they all know their way around Linux or at least have someone to ask) so the lack of HOWTOs isn't a problem. I don't really know why they dislike Fedora, and I could never actually figure it out. Besides not using Fedora, they look down on it. I'll try again to figure out why (I hope I'll be more successful this time!) and tell you my results. Thanks, Andre From rwhetsel at ravensong.com Mon Apr 24 04:58:17 2006 From: rwhetsel at ravensong.com (Robert Whetsel) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:58:17 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Marketing ideas -- I have to strongly _disagree_ with 99% of this ... In-Reply-To: <200604221013.46334.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> References: <4449DE19.1030006@adelphia.net> <4449E168.2060501@adelphia.net> <200604221013.46334.fedora@cds-world.co.uk> Message-ID: <1145854697.444c5ae96ca19@mail.ravensong.com> I go to install fest whenever I can; I personally invite the other distros to the party. We are all open source geeks; the idea is to share the technology even between distros. If you want to keep your technology to yourself and only for your community, I suggest you read the GPL. And, if you still disagree with that statement, you can always find a home with Bill. We are all in this together, do not forget the big picture. As for spying, I am a SuSE, FreeBSD, and JavaOS developer therefore, I must be a triple agent? -- Cheers, Robert C. Whetsel - CEO & Founder Fedora Global Ambassador SuSE Developer RavenSong Open Technologies, Inc. DBA: The Raven Group (1992) Open Source Architects Specializing in Enterprise Linux Business Solutions Frederick Innovative Technology Center 401 Rosemont Avenue Frederick, MD 21701 240-215-3944 www.ravensong.com Quoting Clair : > On Saturday 22 April 2006 08:55, Jasper O'neal Hartline wrote: > > > I must also include, I was already put-off by asking why we had > > Fedora Ambassadors spying on Mandriva install parties on this list. > > > > I don't know what is or isn't the job, idealogy or focus of Ambassadors > > but I can say personally that isn't how things work around my house. > > Spying on other projects install parties to better yourself is exactly > > what it was, whether you want to take it in that context or not. > > > > In any case I had shown the mails to a few people and they were less than > > impressed. I think the ambassadors need to stop with the tunnel vision and > > try to think about priorities. As an Ambassador I would think it is in > your > > focus to promote Fedora Core, end of story. > > If it was spying, they'd be wearing black clothes and jumping in through the > > ceiling :) > > But seriously, an ambassador went along to an install party to see "how they > > did it", so that Fedora ones can take any good ideas from it. > > No harm in that, is there? > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Mon Apr 24 13:06:45 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:06:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FISL Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060424130645.91867.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, http://projetofedora.org/node/28 Last update. The event was a success, we found a lot of users interested in our Project, big companies that we shall work with to publish their cases, some people interested in Install Parties and other stuff. In all the event was delivered 150 DVDs burned in the event, 1000 flyers talking about the Project and 1000 people talking with us (very good). We made two lectures, the first was with full room and the second one was to show FC5 and talk with the users about the Fedora Project (answer questions). Pablo Barrera was in the event too, we are planning to meet again in Latinoware (I think this will happen in September). Now we are ready with the budget, we'll burn DVDs that will be sent to the users through our website (www.projetofedora.org), we are searching new events and creating a Action Plan to work with companies the we talked in FISL. Thank you all for the support, see you all next time. Rodrigo Menezes puneet batura escreveu: On 4/21/06, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: Hi guys, We are in the second day of FISL event, below you can find some photos. We'll update the website as soon as the event is running. http://projetofedora.org/node/28 We found some guys from Red Hat, Christofer came with OLPC, some Juan Ruiz and other guys. They seen to be happy with ou presence here. We wanna says thanks to you all. Thanks for the update.It seems u have done it with all the best u had. Cheers! and keep up the good work.. :-) Our webdesigner (Jayme Ayres) says: "I'm sorry", because the templates in the website is not good. We'll fix this as soon as we find some time. Thanks guys! Rodrigo Menezes --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! 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They are power users (I'm in a Computer Engineering degree, so they all know their way around Linux or at least have someone to ask) so the lack of HOWTOs isn't a problem. I don't really know why they dislike Fedora, and I could never actually figure it out. Besides not using Fedora, they look down on it. I'll try again to figure out why (I hope I'll be more successful this time!) and tell you my results. Thanks, Andre -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espa?o, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 18:17:25 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:47:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604261110s192c266an39ec2e372682a93e@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604261110s192c266an39ec2e372682a93e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146075445.2052.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 11:10 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > RE: Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors Hmmm, is it necessary to remind us every week? We only need to sign it once ;) Gja From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 26 18:22:58 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:52:58 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Keeping track of news Message-ID: <1146075778.11383.77.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi There was some discussions earlier on enabling ambassadors to keep track of news and announcements related to the Fedora Project easily. Fedora announce list has been changed now into being a low track important announcements only list while the other package updates go into a separate list. I would like every ambassadors to subscribe to the fedora announce list and will be moving forward to make this a requirement for all the ambassadors in the near future. If you have any objections to this, let me know Announcement: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006- April/msg00199.html Related discussion: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006- April/msg00020.html Other places to keep track of updates include: http://fedoranews.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/WeeklyReports/Archive http://redhat.com/magazine http://planet.fedoraproject.org Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 26 18:35:00 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:35:00 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1146075445.2052.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <369bce3b0604261110s192c266an39ec2e372682a93e@mail.gmail.com> <1146075445.2052.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604261135i621594d7pa2b2d5363c95ecf6@mail.gmail.com> On 4/26/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 11:10 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > > RE: Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors > > Hmmm, is it necessary to remind us every week? > > We only need to sign it once ;) > > Gja > We have 112 Ambassadors but only 60 completed CLA and joined Ambassadors group in Fedora Account. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Approved So yes, it's necessary to remind them everyone. At some point, we will set a *deadline* and remove those who haven't signed CLA and joined Ambassadors group in Fedora Account. This decision was made by Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2006-04-17 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 26 18:47:12 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:17:12 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604261135i621594d7pa2b2d5363c95ecf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604261110s192c266an39ec2e372682a93e@mail.gmail.com> <1146075445.2052.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <369bce3b0604261135i621594d7pa2b2d5363c95ecf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146077232.11383.82.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 11:35 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > We have 112 Ambassadors but only 60 completed CLA and joined > Ambassadors group in Fedora Account. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Approved > > So yes, it's necessary to remind them everyone. At some point, we > will set a *deadline* and remove those who haven't signed CLA and > joined Ambassadors group in Fedora Account. > > This decision was made by Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2006-04-17 Might be useful to copy Ambassador steering committee minutes to this list too in the future. Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 26 18:48:54 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:54 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Weekly Reminder for Fedora Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1146077232.11383.82.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <369bce3b0604261110s192c266an39ec2e372682a93e@mail.gmail.com> <1146075445.2052.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <369bce3b0604261135i621594d7pa2b2d5363c95ecf6@mail.gmail.com> <1146077232.11383.82.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604261148g6bd61365s38571e5e6973c425@mail.gmail.com> On 4/26/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > This decision was made by Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2006-04-17 > > Might be useful to copy Ambassador steering committee minutes to this > list too in the future. > > Rahul Good idea. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 21:06:01 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, April 27, 2006, 14:00 UTC Message-ID: <7f617d270604261406k2455a7eaj907e653a1e3ca66c@mail.gmail.com> Add your items to the Schedule: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule Espesially those of you heading up initiatives, make sure to add your initiative to the "Project Reports" item! Thanks, a -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Apr 27 12:01:09 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Local repository Message-ID: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I have something in mind here. I want to create a repository in Brazil only with packages created here in Portuguese_BR. The main idea is to have a centralized webpage with information and softwares created in Brazil for Fedora Users (always .rpm files) for home users and companies. This way companies can find softwares needed for them to be used at home and in companies. In this last event we heard a lot of complaning because the users didn't find solutions to implement in their companies. With this webpage we can recruit developers do create softwares for companies and for home users and distribute them as GPL. I want to call it Fedora-Extras-BR, it this ok? What do you think about it? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espa?o, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Apr 27 12:42:25 2006 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Local repository In-Reply-To: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4450BC31.2030000@math.unl.edu> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I have something in mind here. I want to create a repository in Brazil > only with packages created here in Portuguese_BR. ... > I want to call it Fedora-Extras-BR, it this ok? Without using the official FE buildsystem/infrastructure, I'd say this would be dubious at best. > What do you think about it? Why not just *use* the existing Fedora Extras? -- Rex From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Thu Apr 27 12:44:39 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:14:39 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Local repository In-Reply-To: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4450BCB7.1070101@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I have something in mind here. I want to create a repository in Brazil > only with packages created here in Portuguese_BR. Probably not the right list :) And any particular reason you choose to ignore the Fedora Extras that is already in place ? - -SM - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEULy3XQZpNTcrCzMRAnzTAKCvjlTHy84NWBUhVwzK+e0sJ2PNwwCeL+O4 SCE3ua0k6zExIkLN1mzbceo= =DkQk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Apr 27 12:55:22 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:25:22 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Local repository In-Reply-To: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060427120109.82607.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1146142525.2054.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 12:01 +0000, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I want to call it Fedora-Extras-BR, it this ok? The most important criterion will be this: Are ALL the packages simply translations of the Fedora Extras Packages? of course, I'm no the expert Gja From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Apr 27 16:51:31 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Local repository In-Reply-To: <1146142525.2054.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <20060427165136.36650.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, The idea is a repository for softwares, not an oficial one. What we need is software made for small companies, like biling systems for a Drug Store or something like that. Something more like SourceForge.net but with only with pt_BR packages. Rodrigo Menezes Tejas Dinkar escreveu: On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 12:01 +0000, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I want to call it Fedora-Extras-BR, it this ok? The most important criterion will be this: Are ALL the packages simply translations of the Fedora Extras Packages? of course, I'm no the expert Gja -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espa?o, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still don't see much argument for not using Fedora Extras... unless this stuff doesn't follow FE guidelines/rules (because of patents or nonfree licensing), but, if that's the case, then you likely shouldn't use the name "Fedora" at all. -- Rex From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 27 18:50:08 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:50:08 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2006 Message-ID: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> I know it's late but is anyone going Linuxfest Northwest 2006? http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Apr 27 19:59:06 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2006 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Thomas Chung wrote: > I know it's late but is anyone going Linuxfest Northwest 2006? > http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ gregdek and Jesse Keating will be there from Red Hat. From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Apr 27 20:16:27 2006 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:16:27 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2006 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146168987.2936.5.camel@dhcp83-49.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 11:50 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > I know it's late but is anyone going Linuxfest Northwest 2006? > http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ Gregdek and I will be there. I've been there the past 3 years (twice for Pogo Linux, once on my own) so I really know the scene and will recognize a lot of folks. I really like this show and am happy to see it grow. This is really a good alternative to the monstrosity that Linux World has turned into. 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 27 20:33:20 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:33:20 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2006 In-Reply-To: <1146168987.2936.5.camel@dhcp83-49.boston.redhat.com> References: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> <1146168987.2936.5.camel@dhcp83-49.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604271333v66977142v989a2f55f7d9760b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/27/06, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 11:50 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > > I know it's late but is anyone going Linuxfest Northwest 2006? > > http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ > > Gregdek and I will be there. I've been there the past 3 years (twice > for Pogo Linux, once on my own) so I really know the scene and will > recognize a lot of folks. I really like this show and am happy to see > it grow. This is really a good alternative to the monstrosity that > Linux World has turned into. If more regions coordinated festivals like > this more people would get that wonderful community feel for the Linux > industry instead of the corporate shankjob that LWCE is now. > > -- > Jesse Keating > Release Engineer: Fedora Excellent, I have updated FedoraEvents wiki page accordingly. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 27 22:35:34 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] LinuxWorld in Warsaw Message-ID: <1146177334.5404.12.camel@redhat> Hi, I'm writing to ask you if anybody is going to LinuxWorld on 21th June in Warsaw? I'm not sure yet, but if somebody from Ambassadors gonna there, I'm almost sure I also would be ;) I've just sent an e-mail to person responsible one of the event's organizers and asked if it would be possible to have a presentation on Fedora during the event, or have a booth for promoting Fedora. I would be glad to welcome some of the Ambassadors there :) Regards, Pawel Sadowski From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 27 22:45:58 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:45:58 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] LinuxWorld in Warsaw In-Reply-To: <1146177334.5404.12.camel@redhat> References: <1146177334.5404.12.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604271545q3adb3592ie408df1bdaeecdf7@mail.gmail.com> On 4/27/06, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > Hi, > > I'm writing to ask you if anybody is going to LinuxWorld on 21th June in > Warsaw? I'm not sure yet, but if somebody from Ambassadors gonna there, > I'm almost sure I also would be ;) I've just sent an e-mail to person > responsible one of the event's organizers and asked if it would be > possible to have a presentation on Fedora during the event, or have a > booth for promoting Fedora. I would be glad to welcome some of the > Ambassadors there :) > > Regards, > Pawel Sadowski Hi Pawel, I've added the event in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted/Events for now. If you're confirmed to organize the event, please move the event entry to FedoraEvents. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jaboutboul at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 28 21:45:40 2006 From: jaboutboul at fedoraproject.org (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:45:40 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2006 In-Reply-To: <1146168987.2936.5.camel@dhcp83-49.boston.redhat.com> References: <369bce3b0604271150j4f75d2b4h2c67c27c72156d90@mail.gmail.com> <1146168987.2936.5.camel@dhcp83-49.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146260741.31983.32.camel@deepfort> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 16:16 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > If more regions coordinated festivals like > this more people would get that wonderful community feel for the Linux > industry instead of the corporate shankjob that LWCE is now. Well whaddya know, I've been working with a few people on possibly creating something similar in NYC called "Metro Linux Fest" or some derivative. So far we have gone over tons of things and pretty much all that is left to figure out is the cash of it. We are sure though we can find a few large name sponsors in NYC like google, citicorp, ibm etc. so we are well on our way. I'll be sure to keep you posted. If anyone is interested in doing something like this somewhere in another region of the country, let me know, maybe we can work together. Jack From pmckelvey at zoomtown.com Sat Apr 29 16:26:51 2006 From: pmckelvey at zoomtown.com (Pat McKelvey) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:26:51 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] DemoFest Cincinnati LUG Message-ID: <445393CB.5030208@zoomtown.com> Well, We are working to get together the First Annual Demofest for Linux for Cincinnati, Ohio. We are trying to make contact with any other LUGs in our area to join in the fun. It is looking like September 23, though nothing is firm yet. It is hard to guess how many will come as we have not done this before. I have looked on the Ambassador Wiki for ideas and found some. Does anyone have other ideas for getting groups / companies to come and join in this one day event? Once we have a venue, I thought I might try putting out an email to all the companies that I can find that use Linux in this area and invite them to demo their software. They can also use this as a potential chance to recruit Linux people, if they need any. Is it proper to put up a collection box for covering costs? No tickets just limiting the number inside to the Fire Department limit. I expect that it will be located in a public library basement meeting area which will hold about 200 people. That would require the free aspect of the DemoFest. I am trying to get a local branch of Barnes & Nobel to set up a Linux book store for the event. Sort of iffy at the moment. Any suggestions are welcome. I won't promise I will follow them. I may not be able to. Pat -- Fedora Ambassador to the Midwest USA Patrick C. McKelvey PE (License E-45489 expires 12/31/2006) 3315 Ashwood Dr. Cincinnati, OH 45213 pmckelve at fedoraproject.org GnuPG - DSA - 9b7e48b3 at pgp.mit.edu 19DC C758 DB34 4AE0 98EE 99E4 A983 6CCE 9B7E 48B3 From halaba at o2.pl Sun Apr 30 16:54:19 2006 From: halaba at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?Merlin?=) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:54:19 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20[Fedora-ambassadors-list]=20DemoFest=20Cincinnat?= =?UTF-8?Q?i=20LUG?= Message-ID: <372cc0f5.46f4732c.4454ebbb.3acc8@o2.pl> Hello I will sory i can't read your email from last 2 month becous i was in hospital bat now i read slowely every one:D