From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Wed Mar 1 10:29:48 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM 2006 Report Message-ID: Dear Thomas, Alex, Ambassadors, As promised, I have done the FOSDEM and it was a really great experience and for sure I will be there next year. Thanks for your trust my friends. Thanks also to Alex Maier, Thomas Canniot, Mathias Saou, Dag Wieers, Andreas Kupfer. BTW, sorry for the delay. Previous the event. Indeed, I had reserved a booth without any knowledge about how it was going on. What it was -I think - quite normal for the first "Fedora Group" participation, isn't it ? The thing is that I was just in time for the reservation so I had to take what it was available. Anyway, we were quite happy with what you had. In addition, no conference was planned - maybe next year ;) -. I prefered to start small in order to get experiences and think bigger for the next time instead of doing somthing which could have been regrettable. Then, I have preparded some hoardings, business cards and have ordered to the Fedora Marketing the DVDs and the Tee-Shirts I was going to redistribute during the event. Saturday Here we were ! Our booth was between the "Open Wengo" one and the "Ekiga" - New name of Gnome Meeting - one. Our neighbourgs were really nice. At the begining I was alone but after few minutes some fedora developpers who were at the FOSDEM and who were surprised to see the Fedora booth resquested me if they could be represent the project with me. For my part, they were OBVIOUSLY WELCOMED. Indeed, I was suprised that each one was from different nationalities. So our group was from this moment composed of Mathias a french living in Spain, Dag a deutch living in Belgium, Andreas a german and I a french living in Belgium. A Real European Fedora Group. We had all kind of visitors - geeks, newbies and others -, questions, requests, discussions and so on so for - see below -. Sunday, Accompagned of Thomas, Andreas, Dag, Mathias, I represented Fedora all the day. Same than above, we had all kind of visitors - geeks, newbies and others -, questions, requests, discussions and so on so for - see below -. At The end of the event All DVDs and tee-Shirt were gone. Frequently Asked Questions What is Fedora ? What is the difference between Fedora and Red Hat ? When the next release will be available ? What will be in the new release ? Do you a have a live cd ? Are you a developper ? What is the difference between you and all the other distributions? Why should I use Fedora ? Do you have a tee shirt sized L ? - I havn't got only XL, XXL, XXXL - Booth The Booth was composed of three chairs and one tables. We had wifi and RJ45 connections. Celebrities at the Event. Richard Stallman. Mark Spencer from Asterisk. Ian Pratt from Xen. Jon Trowbridge from Beagle. Michael Meeks from Open Office. etc... Celebrities at the Fedora Booth Richard Stallman. Jeff Johnson, the conceptor of RPM. Tom Tromey GDB Engineer and his collegue from Red Hat. Alasdai G. Kergon LVM Developper from Red Hat. Tristan Nitot from Mozilla Project. Others guys from Red Hat. Non IT people. It can be explained cause the venet was based at the "Universit? Libre de Bruxelles". So, saturday people who were studiing laws and others were curious about Fedora. We give us a free DVD and convinced us to try and have fun on their non currently used PC. FYI, ask Thomas about his presentation to a psycho girl - she studies psychology - on Sunday. :) You will be surprised. he has really great fun with her. Good Points The position of our booth. It was really strategic. We were lucky this year cause this specific place was not requested. Presence of Fedora at this event. Free Fedora DVDs and Tee-Shirts. Flyers. Thanks for that Thomas :). Clever, smart and nice peoples at our booth. The presentation of kadishi. Thanks for that Thomas :). Big flat screen instead of laptop screen. Thanks for that Thomas :). Nice behaviour with Open Suse, Gentoo, Debian. Bad Points Not enough space. No talk - conference in room - planned. No Boards neither advertising. Improvments Maybe we could have sweet-shirt instead of tee shirt for ambasasdors cause it is cold in February at Brussels. Ask for a bigger booth. Plannification of Talks. Be the point of "rendez-vous" for Red Hat and Fedora staff. - I will told a world with Alex about that. Hoping that all have been said. Finally, sorry to be not often on the IRC due to the security policies of my company. If you have any remarks or questions, feel free to contact me. BR Fred From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 18:13:04 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador Recognition Award Message-ID: <7f617d270603011013i7311aaeeta12b603b27053e99@mail.gmail.com> Hello everybody! Our project has been around for slightly over three months, and in this time we have done quite a lot. I know many of you think that we could be moving faster, but believe me, even with the baby steps we have taken so far, we have come a long way. Today in the name of the Fedora AMbassadors Steering COmmittee (Famsco) I would like to say thank you to all of you and to recognize with a little present those of you who have contributed actively above and beyond your call of duty. Those who have helped the project by organizing a Fedora event or by representing Fedora at an existing event, those of you who have helped by publishing the news about Fedora and promoting our project around the world. Here is the list of people who will receive a recognition reward in the mail soon: Thomas Canniot Chitlesh Goorah Frederic Hornain Rahul Sundaram Tejas Dinkar Aurelien Bompard Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay Thijs Hulshof Jack Aboutboul Gerold Kassube Florian Brand Thomas Chung David Barzilay If you see your name here, please send me an email off-list with your mailing address. If you do not see your name on the list--take the initiative and do something! There are tons of ways to promote Fedora, just go ahead and do it! And yes, don't forget to report to the list, because Famsco only knows about things that get reported on the list :) Thank you all for all the help and support--this is just the beginning! Alex -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 18:21:36 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:51:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador Recognition Award In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011013i7311aaeeta12b603b27053e99@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603011013i7311aaeeta12b603b27053e99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141237296.10123.7.camel@linuxbox> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 13:13 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Here is the list of people who will receive a recognition reward in > the mail soon: > Tejas Dinkar w00t!!!! Thank you Alex, and rest of Steering Committee. And Hopefully We can contribute a lot more, and make Fedora even better!!! Tejas From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 18:44:28 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:14:28 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Tour Message-ID: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Hi What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview in the release notes (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. Anyone wants to take a grab at this? -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 18:56:43 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to support Flash out of the box, isn't it? a On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview > in the release notes > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp > the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core > 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic > finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so > for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. > > Anyone wants to take a grab at this? > > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:16:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:46:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> Alex Maier wrote: >Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to >support Flash out of the box, isn't it? >a > > No it doesnt and it cant. The screencasting document explains why. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:27:57 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:57:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FUDCon Delhi 2006 - addons Message-ID: <4405F5BD.6080201@fedoraproject.org> Hi Added some pictures and a additional report. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006 -- Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 20:19:50 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:50 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) We got this bug filed against the Tour: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a loss of credibility in our tour. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 20:22:36 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:52:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4406028C.4000406@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: >On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) >> >> > >We got this bug filed against the Tour: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 > >The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. >Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing >an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a >loss of credibility in our tour. > > If we have guidelines on this written down already, then link to it from the tours page for reference. I only used a default desktop for the screenshots I uploaded but others might not have followed the same rules. -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 21:02:44 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, March 3, 2006, 14:00 UTC Message-ID: <7f617d270603011302y6ef0ba87j1ee9b0e74ae71dd2@mail.gmail.com> See you there! -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 21:56:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:26:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Content license Message-ID: <44061893.9070209@fedoraproject.org> Hi If you are contributing to Fedora Ambassadors any content, kindly ensure that you sign the CLA(Contributor License Agreement). This would give Fedora Project and the foundation a license to use your contributions in a suitable manner. All of the current Fedora Ambassadors content including the presentations are clarified to be licensed under the OPL which gives everyone a lot of flexibility. This is the license that the Fedora Documentation project and the wiki has adopted recently. You can refer to the following links for more information http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL If you have any questions or comments, let me know. -- Rahul From notting at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 22:14:01 2006 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Karsten Wade (kwade at redhat.com) said: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) > > We got this bug filed against the Tour: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour', and include other Fedora software that way. Bill From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 22:17:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:47:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44061D97.1080700@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Karsten Wade (kwade at redhat.com) said: > > >>On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> >>>Hi >>> >>>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) >>> >>> >>We got this bug filed against the Tour: >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 >> >> > >Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour', >and include other Fedora software that way. > >Bill > Ya but we want two different things. A general Fedora tour for everyone and a release specific tour for users who want to know what has changed. The latter can be thought of a more non technical version of the release notes. -- Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 22:40:32 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:40:32 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador Recognition Award In-Reply-To: <1141237296.10123.7.camel@linuxbox> References: <7f617d270603011013i7311aaeeta12b603b27053e99@mail.gmail.com> <1141237296.10123.7.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <20060301223956.M35419@fedoraproject.org> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:51:36 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 13:13 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Here is the list of people who will receive a recognition reward in > > the mail soon: > > > > > Tejas Dinkar > > w00t!!!! > > Thank you Alex, and rest of Steering Committee. > > And Hopefully We can contribute a lot more, and make Fedora even > better!!! > > Tejas > Tejas, you deserve it. :) Keep up the good work! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 22:46:31 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:46:31 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060301224351.M39422@fedoraproject.org> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:56:43 -0500, Alex Maier wrote > Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to > support Flash out of the box, isn't it? > a > Nuh-uh. It's one of those http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems But, you can download from http://macromedia.mplug.org/ -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Wed Mar 1 23:14:52 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:14:52 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, March 3, 2006, 14:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011302y6ef0ba87j1ee9b0e74ae71dd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603011302y6ef0ba87j1ee9b0e74ae71dd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141254892.3400.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> You mean Thursday, March 2, 2006, 14:00 UTC don't you? Thomas Canniot Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 16:02 -0500, Alex Maier a ?crit : > See you there! > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 23:29:42 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, There will now be A livecd based on the Fedora Core 5 Test 3 available for download here. We have to thank the Ambassador JonFautley for hosting it temporarily for me. #001 ======= where to Download and Burn ====================== Im uploading it please wait. It might take hours. how long it will be available will depend on JonFautley. #002 ======== About the Live CD: ==================== The liveCD is gnome-based only. Language & Keyboard settings : french (fr) ISO size: 677.2 MB License: same as Fedora Core 5 Test 3 why french? because i had already an iso for http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/FedoraLiveCDs this is the cd im using in France to promote FC5. Ill replace the iso during the weekend by an ENGLISH version. username = root password = fedora ok. Ive built it myself this livecd. I've chosen the packages myself. If your favorite packages are not in the livecd or it does not support your language, you can still create your own Fedora Core 5 Test 3 live cd with Kadischi. You don't need to be programmer to create it. 30 minutes a Fedora LiveCD. This is the beauty of the Kadischi Project. You can create of your Fedora based Livecd with your own selection of packages with having to smash your head against the wall. see. www.fedoraproject.org/wikiKadischi/Development ========== #003 The liveCD and you =================== For now its meant for i386 only. if you havent installed FC5 Test * yet and you want to know what's inside, the livecd is for you. (not everything is inside) if you want to market FC5 in your surroundings, the livecd is your mate. The livecd will give you the ability to save your files in a usb stick, (not like knoppix yet) please if you can you could help me to write a release note along during the enhancement of this livecd. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 23:35:02 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:05:02 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >Hello everyone, > >There will now be A livecd based on the Fedora Core 5 Test 3 available >for download here. > >We have to thank the Ambassador JonFautley for hosting it temporarily for me. > >#001 ======= >where to Download and Burn >====================== > >Im uploading it please wait. It might take hours. > >how long it will be available will depend on JonFautley. > >#002 ======== >About the Live CD: >==================== > >The liveCD is gnome-based only. >Language & Keyboard settings : french (fr) >ISO size: 677.2 MB >License: same as Fedora Core 5 Test 3 > >why french? because i had already an iso for >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/FedoraLiveCDs >this is the cd im using in France to promote FC5. > >Ill replace the iso during the weekend by an ENGLISH version. > > >username = root >password = fedora > > Might be better to autologin with username Fedora and both Fedora and root user names blank. Since this is a Live CD there isnt any security reasons to worry about. Also send a note to Fedora announce and others lists and call this a beta version of the FC5 Live CD. Based on the feedback, we can polish and release a FC5 version preferrably along with the other release announcements. I am copying the mail to Jesse Keating, release engineer for Fedora to get early access to the ISO images if possible. -- Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Mar 2 00:05:38 2006 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:05:38 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 05:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Might be better to autologin with username Fedora and both Fedora and > root user names blank. Since this is a Live CD there isnt any security > reasons to worry about. Also send a note to Fedora announce and others > lists and call this a beta version of the FC5 Live CD. Based on the > feedback, we can polish and release a FC5 version preferrably along with > the other release announcements. I am copying the mail to Jesse > Keating, release engineer for Fedora to get early access to the ISO > images if possible. Or better yet use the .unconfigured aspect of our initscripts. Asks people such things as setting keyboard layout, setting root password, configuring the network, setting the timezone, doing authconfig stuff, and setting the services to run. Some or all of these would be useful on a liveCD to be handed out in general. These could be hardcoded on personally created live CDs for specific purposes. All of these things are done in tui mode, before GDM comes up. Ping me again near FC5 release time for early access, I'll have to discuss it w/ my team. -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also send a note to Fedora announce and others > lists and call this a beta version of the FC5 Live CD. Based on the > feedback, we can polish and release a FC5 version preferrably along with > the other release announcements. i prefer to wait until ive updated the iso to an english version before announcing :) I am copying the mail to Jesse > Keating, release engineer for Fedora to get early access to the ISO > images if possible. We are hosting temporarily on JonFautley's server. It would be nice that Kadischi can have its own ftp server :) Support from anyone is welcome :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:22:38 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:52:38 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>Might be better to autologin with username Fedora and both Fedora and >>root user names blank. Since this is a Live CD there isnt any security >>reasons to worry about. >> >> > >yeah we can add that feature too, Rahul can you add it to >Kadischi/Schedule for please > > > I have added these and a suggestion to provide introductory and promotional material on Fedora by default. Might be better to look at what other distributions like Mandriva and Ubuntu do on their Live CD's for other ideas. > >We are hosting temporarily on JonFautley's server. It would be nice >that Kadischi can have its own ftp server :) > > > Jesse, can you help in getting FTP access to a fedoraproject.org or any other server for these people to upload their images. Chitlesh, talk to Seth Vidal or post to fedora-websites list for the infrastructure team on getting bittorrent access too. -- Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Mar 2 00:26:16 2006 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:26:16 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141259176.31231.52.camel@ender> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 05:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jesse, can you help in getting FTP access to a fedoraproject.org or > any > other server for these people to upload their images. That's beyond my control. The Fedora Websites people could handle that perhaps. -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:36:33 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:36:33 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> > yeah we can add that feature too, Rahul can you add it to > Kadischi/Schedule for please > > patches are welcomed from anybody either to me or to the livecd-list. Rahul: in Kadischi/Schedule Add some good introductory and promotional material in a desktop folder by default who will take the lead? I suggest the marketing project should set/proposed up an appropriate selection of promotional material. I wrote earlier about the F-keys http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development/boot Why 5 F-keys ? I think since there are 5 versions of Fedora Core, why not 5 F-keys ? or maybe the F-5 can special. about the content of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development/boot I request that the contents be revised or updated, ( maybe i can integrate it for my next build) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:45:00 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:45:00 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011645r226ce35fpdc9cdb1af28312a0@mail.gmail.com> > Or better yet use the .unconfigured aspect of our initscripts. what do you mean by unconfigured aspect? Asks > people such things as setting keyboard layout, setting root password, > configuring the network, setting the timezone, doing authconfig stuff, > and setting the services to run. Some or all of these would be useful > on a liveCD to be handed out in general. This should be implemented as well. These could be hardcoded on > personally created live CDs for specific purposes. All of these things > are done in tui mode, before GDM comes up. > For the moment, the builder hardcodes the configuration of his machine on the livecd. for example if i have a nvidia graphic card and I create a livecd on my machine, the Xorg of my live cd is likely to crash on ati based machines. So for the time being it is personalised. but the live im uploaded uses vesa as default. > Ping me again near FC5 release time for early access, I'll have to > discuss it w/ my team. > Sure of course. > -- > Jesse Keating > Release Engineer: Fedora > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEBjbR4v2HLvE71NURAttTAJwKQTg96xuoW+MJwMm7ZtenmH9eUACfav+o > kySaKL0hHtMOhP4sgVK3kgY= > =5UDV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:48:42 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:48:42 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011648j5c3aadbfscb0966c437e23e45@mail.gmail.com> > I have added these and a suggestion to provide introductory and > promotional material on Fedora by default. Might be better to look at > what other distributions like Mandriva and Ubuntu do on their Live CD's > for other ideas. true. should i leave on the marketing department's shoulders? > Jesse, can you help in getting FTP access to a fedoraproject.org or any > other server for these people to upload their images. Chitlesh, talk to > Seth Vidal or post to fedora-websites list for the infrastructure team > on getting bittorrent access too. > Sure, Ill send an image right anyway. My girlfriend too justed the bittorrent access. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:50:21 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:20:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>yeah we can add that feature too, Rahul can you add it to >>Kadischi/Schedule for please >> >>patches are welcomed from anybody either to me or to the livecd-list. >> >> > >Rahul: >in Kadischi/Schedule >Add some good introductory and promotional material in a desktop >folder by default >who will take the lead? > > Anyone interested I guess. >I suggest the marketing project should set/proposed up an appropriate >selection of promotional material. > > Add it to the ambassadors project schedule. Marketing isnt really a project. >I wrote earlier about the F-keys >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development/boot > >Why 5 F-keys ? >I think since there are 5 versions of Fedora Core, why not 5 F-keys ? >or maybe the F-5 can special. > >about the content of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development/boot >I request that the contents be revised or updated, ( maybe i can >integrate it for my next build) > I have a few suggestions on this. I am of the opinion that the information on Fedora should be displayed by default without press any function keys. RFE against Anaconda shouldnt affect the live cd. The content is the information about the project as available in the Fedora dictionary at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDict. A laundry list of projects in any introduction isnt very useful. The information on Kadischi could provide a link to the fedora-live cd project page. Unsure of what the live cd option does. If it enables experimental features explain what those features are and call the option "experimental" instead. Test option can be renamed into debug since it is more specific and pretty much everyone who uses a live cd is testing Fedora anyway. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:52:46 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:22:46 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011648j5c3aadbfscb0966c437e23e45@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011648j5c3aadbfscb0966c437e23e45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440641DE.8040008@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>I have added these and a suggestion to provide introductory and >>promotional material on Fedora by default. Might be better to look at >>what other distributions like Mandriva and Ubuntu do on their Live CD's >>for other ideas. >> >> > >true. should i leave on the marketing department's shoulders? > > Looking at other Live CD effort can be done by people who are more close to Kadischi development like you. If you add a note on Kadischi material to the ambassadors project schedule we can talk about in the meeting. If anyone else here is interested in a compilation of such material, followup on it. -- Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Mar 2 00:58:27 2006 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:58:27 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011645r226ce35fpdc9cdb1af28312a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> <13dbfe4f0603011645r226ce35fpdc9cdb1af28312a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141261107.31231.57.camel@ender> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:45 -0500, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > what do you mean by unconfigured aspect? Touch /.unconfigured and reboot. Enjoy (; Or better yet, read /etc/rc.sysinit for the section that deals with finding a /.unconfigured file. We used this system at Pogo Linux when shipping systems out to customers that were pre-installed. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:59:23 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <440641DE.8040008@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <44063ACE.5090309@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011648j5c3aadbfscb0966c437e23e45@mail.gmail.com> <440641DE.8040008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011659q5759b1abx3859a2f590643b21@mail.gmail.com> > Looking at other Live CD effort can be done by people who are more close > to Kadischi development like you. If you add a note on Kadischi material > to the ambassadors project schedule we can talk about in the meeting. If > anyone else here is interested in a compilation of such material, > followup on it. We are a few to work around the kadischi project. We have some objectives to accomplish too :) such as Xen if possible, a patch was submitted to bugzilla. integrate squashfs to reduce size The content of promotional material might be chosen by the ambassador project. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 01:01:27 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <1141261107.31231.57.camel@ender> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> <13dbfe4f0603011645r226ce35fpdc9cdb1af28312a0@mail.gmail.com> <1141261107.31231.57.camel@ender> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011701s5fd5ad3dla0c0aef9c0e1e81e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:45 -0500, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > what do you mean by unconfigured aspect? > > Touch /.unconfigured and reboot. Enjoy (; > > Or better yet, read /etc/rc.sysinit for the section that deals with > finding a /.unconfigured file. We used this system at Pogo Linux when > shipping systems out to customers that were pre-installed. It allowed > the customer to do some last mile configuration that would normally only > be shown during the install. > ok ill have a look at that during the weekend. sounds simple enough. > -- > Jesse Keating > Release Engineer: Fedora > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEBkMz4v2HLvE71NURAkJhAKDCOkEUDQua79t9ixkDOuC6MFMOagCeNlzS > WRCj1j5sQwx6bTUv9nSFTK0= > =BsMw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 01:06:02 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:06:02 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011706t4818db7eq5947184c3366d6b1@mail.gmail.com> > I am of the opinion that the information on Fedora should be displayed > by default without press any function keys. true, but if we have a splash.lss it might be difficult to put lots of text. RFE against Anaconda > shouldnt affect the live cd. what do you mean? The content is the information about the > project as available in the Fedora dictionary at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDict. A laundry list of projects in > any introduction isnt very useful. The information on Kadischi could > provide a link to the fedora-live cd project page. Unsure of what the > live cd option does. its the default boot parameters If it enables experimental features explain what > those features are and call the option "experimental" instead. Test > option can be renamed into debug since it is more specific and pretty > much everyone who uses a live cd is testing Fedora anyway. Test goes debug. ThomasCanniot also shared this with me during our briefing for FOSDEM. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 01:17:43 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:47:43 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011706t4818db7eq5947184c3366d6b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011706t4818db7eq5947184c3366d6b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440647B7.1050404@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>I am of the opinion that the information on Fedora should be displayed >>by default without press any function keys. >> >> > >true, but if we have a splash.lss it might be difficult to put lots of text. > > Well till you get a splash you can enable this by default? >RFE against Anaconda > > >>shouldnt affect the live cd. >> >> > >what do you mean? > > You are linking to the RFE against anaconda I filed to provide the same introductory info on Fedora but it has no effect on the live CD. does it? >its the default boot parameters > > Why do you need a specific option for the default. default is well... default. default is just press enter. >Test goes debug. > >ThomasCanniot also shared this with me during our briefing for FOSDEM. > > A screenshot of a typical output might be good to have in the wiki. -- Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 01:28:28 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <440647B7.1050404@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011706t4818db7eq5947184c3366d6b1@mail.gmail.com> <440647B7.1050404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011728u4506c92bg1ace86b09f3a6d89@mail.gmail.com> > Well till you get a splash you can enable this by default? ok, you can start preparing it on Kadischi/Development/boot ? Ill add them > >its the default boot parameters > > > > > Why do you need a specific option for the default. default is well... > default. default is just press enter. its only to provide a kind of template if we are going to add more params > > >Test goes debug. > > > >ThomasCanniot also shared this with me during our briefing for FOSDEM. > > > > > A screenshot of a typical output might be good to have in the wiki. > I mean he share the same opinion as you do. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 01:33:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:03:13 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603011728u4506c92bg1ace86b09f3a6d89@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011706t4818db7eq5947184c3366d6b1@mail.gmail.com> <440647B7.1050404@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011728u4506c92bg1ace86b09f3a6d89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44064B59.2030407@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>Well till you get a splash you can enable this by default? >> >> > >ok, you can start preparing it on Kadischi/Development/boot ? Ill add them > > Just use the dictionary definition like I said. The wiki frontpage has it. >>Why do you need a specific option for the default. default is well... >>default. default is just press enter. >> >> > >its only to provide a kind of template if we are going to add more params > > Ok. Its currently confusing though. > > > >>>Test goes debug. >>> >>>ThomasCanniot also shared this with me during our briefing for FOSDEM. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>A screenshot of a typical output might be good to have in the wiki. >> >> >> >I mean he share the same opinion as you do. > > Right. can you still document better what the debug output is in the wiki? -- Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 01:37:29 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:37:29 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <44064B59.2030407@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011545h1d3d59bdk7180abe7c45e8854@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603011636o226bb978yc5b8fb0be86cc32b@mail.gmail.com> <4406414D.8080500@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011706t4818db7eq5947184c3366d6b1@mail.gmail.com> <440647B7.1050404@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603011728u4506c92bg1ace86b09f3a6d89@mail.gmail.com> <44064B59.2030407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603011737l7ebe3be1t7c48581b120e505c@mail.gmail.com> > Just use the dictionary definition like I said. The wiki frontpage has it. this is what will be used. see the Content of F1 but I dont remember if i changed the one im uploading. > Right. can you still document better what the debug output is in the wiki? ok. file it to kadischi/Schedule :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Mar 2 01:44:57 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:44:57 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Content license In-Reply-To: <44061893.9070209@fedoraproject.org> References: <44061893.9070209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200603011945.00983.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 15:56, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > If you are contributing to Fedora Ambassadors any content, kindly ensure > that you sign the CLA(Contributor License Agreement). This would give > Fedora Project and the foundation a license to use your contributions in > a suitable manner. All of the current Fedora Ambassadors content > including the presentations are clarified to be licensed under the OPL > which gives everyone a lot of flexibility. This is the license that the > Fedora Documentation project and the wiki has adopted recently. You can > refer to the following links for more information > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL > > If you have any questions or comments, let me know. This is actually a prerequisite for joining the 'ambassadors' group in the Fedora Account System, which is REQUIRED for ALL Ambassadors. Those of you who have not already done so should join the Account System, complete the CLA, and join the group. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AccountSystemHowTo -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? 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Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 09:06:24 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:36:24 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603020100j5a7846c3vec93a82c0807f450@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603020100j5a7846c3vec93a82c0807f450@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4406B590.6030100@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>#001 ======= >>where to Download and Burn >>====================== >> >>Im uploading it please wait. It might take hours. >> >>how long it will be available will depend on JonFautley. >> >> > >Here you go >ftp://ftp.dead.li/002FC5T3live.iso > >I remind that this is a French Version and that a US English one will >be coming next. > > > Kindly use the appropriate International language codes within the ISO images itself so that is clear to everyone. This page has references to the ISO language codes and other locale information. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages. -- Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 09:13:59 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 04:13:59 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <4406B590.6030100@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603020100j5a7846c3vec93a82c0807f450@mail.gmail.com> <4406B590.6030100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603020113v4ed803e8l26a4a87339399f3f@mail.gmail.com> > Kindly use the appropriate International language codes within the ISO > images itself so that is clear to everyone. This page has references to > the ISO language codes and other locale information. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages. The next one will have it. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:28:55 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:58:55 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador Recognition Award In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011013i7311aaeeta12b603b27053e99@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603011013i7311aaeeta12b603b27053e99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4406E507.2010102@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex Maier wrote: > Here is the list of people who will receive a recognition reward in > the mail soon: > > Thomas Canniot > Chitlesh Goorah > Frederic Hornain > Rahul Sundaram > Tejas Dinkar > Aurelien Bompard > Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > Thijs Hulshof > Jack Aboutboul > Gerold Kassube > Florian Brand > Thomas Chung > David Barzilay I am honored. And can only say that I plan to contribute much much more. Warm regards Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEBuUHXQZpNTcrCzMRAooTAJ9jX6lGshD8ThjlweZIH2HLOOyMHgCfQnDJ M8qk9HzlzctPCrcwlSjvEQ0= =CpNs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:33:02 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:03:02 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, March 3, 2006, 14:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011302y6ef0ba87j1ee9b0e74ae71dd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603011302y6ef0ba87j1ee9b0e74ae71dd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4406E5FE.5020700@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex Maier wrote: > See you there! > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org RSVP from my side again :(, am @annual offsite. - -Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEBuX+XQZpNTcrCzMRAtC2AJwK7lmyKLhsurpVklKxzVcxoNbWQQCfebac ii8AApV5jl0dNpdBMwTTNEM= =9yrt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 12:37:28 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:07:28 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, March 3, 2006, 14:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4406E5FE.5020700@gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603011302y6ef0ba87j1ee9b0e74ae71dd2@mail.gmail.com> <4406E5FE.5020700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4406E708.2090200@fedoraproject.org> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Alex Maier wrote: > > >>See you there! >>-- >>Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org >> >> > >RSVP from my side again :(, am @annual offsite. > >- -Sankarshan > > > Have fun while you can!. -- Rahul From jose_tarazona at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 14:00:42 2006 From: jose_tarazona at yahoo.com (Jose G. Tarazona Lara) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 06:00:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] JoseTarazona event - Jornada de Divulgacion In-Reply-To: <20060302123256.DA4FB736A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060302140042.65606.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Due last minute meeting at work I won't be able to assit to the meeting. So for the event Jornada de Divulgacion, I have start to burn the Fedora Core 4 CDs pack(I don't have the equipment to burn DVDs) to deliver those days, for money reason I only plan to burn 40 packs. I will have a meeting there tomorrow to check for the facilities and the equipment for the stand and the conference. I haven't receive any communication of anybody interested in giving a videoconference, so I had communicate that I will be just my conference and the stand participation. Meanwhile I wish you all good luck and see you next time. JoseTarazona --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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I forgot to bring it over from home. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From gauret at free.fr Thu Mar 2 16:44:48 2006 From: gauret at free.fr (Aurelien Bompard) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:44:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Business cards and native characters In-Reply-To: <1141317440.5945.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141317440.5945.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200603021744.53635.gauret@free.fr> > I want to print Fedora Ambassadors Business Cards for me and I'm > considering if I should include Polish characters in it. On the wiki, I > haven't include it, but on the wiki it could be a problem if someone is > out of Poland. So, what is your opinion on that, should the native > characters be included in business cards or not? I'd say go ahead and print them. 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On the wiki, I > haven't include it, but on the wiki it could be a problem if someone is > out of Poland. So, what is your opinion on that, should the native > characters be included in business cards or not? > > Regards, > Pawel Sadowski Absolutely. On the wiki, pages written in the Polish language should use Polish characters, while pages in the English language should use only English characters. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Attack the wiki or post comments. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease -- Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 17:31:35 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:31:35 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] JoseTarazona event - Jornada de Divulgacion In-Reply-To: <20060302140042.65606.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060302123256.DA4FB736A4@hormel.redhat.com> <20060302140042.65606.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060302173108.M80680@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 06:00:42 -0800 (PST), Jose G. Tarazona Lara wrote > Due last minute meeting at work I won't be able to assit to the meeting. > > So for the event Jornada de Divulgacion, I have start to burn the Fedora Core > 4 CDs pack(I don't have the equipment to burn DVDs) to deliver those days, for > money reason I only plan to burn 40 packs. I will have a meeting there > tomorrow to check for the facilities and the equipment for the stand and the > conference. I haven't receive any communication of anybody interested in > giving a videoconference, so I had communicate that I will be just my > conference and the stand participation. > > Meanwhile I wish you all good luck and see you next time. > > JoseTarazona Thank you Jose, I've added your status at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/JornadaDivulgacion -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 3 02:09:17 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <1141261107.31231.57.camel@ender> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> <13dbfe4f0603011645r226ce35fpdc9cdb1af28312a0@mail.gmail.com> <1141261107.31231.57.camel@ender> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603021809x30e0c583j28854f4b8e9bd895@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:45 -0500, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > what do you mean by unconfigured aspect? > > Touch /.unconfigured and reboot. Enjoy (; > this is great. but nevertheless i need to work on it to tweak it a bit ( on monday, ill be visiting Paris with my gf, this weekend) im using the splash.lss of FC5T3 dvd > Or better yet, read /etc/rc.sysinit for the section that deals with > finding a /.unconfigured file. We used this system at Pogo Linux when > shipping systems out to customers that were pre-installed. It allowed > the customer to do some last mile configuration that would normally only > be shown during the install. > > -- > Jesse Keating > Release Engineer: Fedora > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEBkMz4v2HLvE71NURAkJhAKDCOkEUDQua79t9ixkDOuC6MFMOagCeNlzS > WRCj1j5sQwx6bTUv9nSFTK0= > =BsMw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From splinux25 at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 11:13:44 2006 From: splinux25 at gmail.com (splinux /) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:13:44 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Damien Durand, belgian fedora ambassador Message-ID: Hello, i introduce my self, my name is Damien Durand. I'm belgian, i'm living in Ciney and i send my request to become a fedora ambassador. 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With a friend, i have created the hedinux > linux distribution ( www.hedinux.org), it's a distro built from scratch, > with a powerful package manager, you can see a test here : http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/5162 > > > I've left hedinux for personal reasons, it's a big project make by 2 > people, too much work for me. I would like to devote my work to the fedora > project, because fedora is a great linux distribution for me. > > You can find more info about me on the fedora wiki : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DamienDurand > If you want contact me, my new email address : splinux at fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two moth ago, i've launched a french > support for the gnome projet, available at http://fr.gnomesupport.org. > With a friend, i have created the hedinux linux distribution > ( www.hedinux.org), it's a distro built from scratch, with a powerful > package manager, you can see a test here : > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/5162 > > I've left hedinux for personal reasons, it's a big project make by 2 > people, too much work for me. I would like to devote my work to the > fedora project, because fedora is a great linux distribution for me. > > You can find more info about me on the fedora wiki : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DamienDurand > If you want contact me, my new email address : > splinux at fedoraproject.org > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With a friend, i have created the hedinux linux > distribution (www.hedinux.org), it's a distro built from scratch, with a > powerful package manager, you can see a test here : > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/5162 > > I've left hedinux for personal reasons, it's a big project make by 2 people, > too much work for me. I would like to devote my work to the fedora project, > because fedora is a great linux distribution for me. > > You can find more info about me on the fedora wiki : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DamienDurand > If you want contact me, my new email address : splinux at fedoraproject.org Damien, Welcome to Fedora Ambassadors Project! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 3 18:15:20 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:45:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Damien Durand, belgian fedora ambassador In-Reply-To: <20060303174839.M40983@fedoraproject.org> References: <20060303174839.M40983@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Damien, Greetings!!! .... :) On 3/3/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:13:44 +0100, splinux / wrote > > Hello, i introduce my self, my name is Damien Durand. I'm belgian, i'm > > living in Ciney and i send my request to become a fedora ambassador. I'm > a > > french member of the gnome community, i contribute to gnomefr and gnome > > projects, see the website for more details (http://www.gnomefr.org). Two > > moth ago, i've launched a french support for the gnome projet, available > at > > http://fr.gnomesupport.org. With a friend, i have created the hedinux > linux > > distribution (www.hedinux.org), it's a distro built from scratch, with a > > powerful package manager, you can see a test here : > > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/5162 > > > > I've left hedinux for personal reasons, it's a big project make by 2 > people, > > too much work for me. I would like to devote my work to the fedora > project, > > because fedora is a great linux distribution for me. > > > > You can find more info about me on the fedora wiki : > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DamienDurand > > If you want contact me, my new email address : splinux at fedoraproject.org > > Damien, > > Welcome to Fedora Ambassadors Project! > > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Thanks and Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is the link : http://mrtomlinux.org/fc4handout-en.odt Thomas Canniot From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 3 22:29:08 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:29:08 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Flyers -- English version In-Reply-To: <4408AC42.3010205@laposte.net> References: <4408AC42.3010205@laposte.net> Message-ID: <20060303222625.M82286@fedoraproject.org> On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:51:14 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote > Hello dear amabassadors ! > > Here is the English translation of the flyer we wrote with Chitlesch > Goorah in French. > Can a native English speaker re-read it before uploading it to the wiki, > please? Feel free to edit it! > > Here is the link : http://mrtomlinux.org/fc4handout-en.odt > > Thomas Canniot It looks good! I've updated it as following: 1) Made it generic not release specific 2) Changed the Page format to Letter from A4 3) Added fedoranews link They are available in ODT and PDF at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 3 22:34:33 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:34:33 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Flyers -- English version In-Reply-To: <4408AC42.3010205@laposte.net> References: <4408AC42.3010205@laposte.net> Message-ID: <20060303223332.M40696@fedoraproject.org> On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:51:14 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote > Hello dear amabassadors ! > > Here is the English translation of the flyer we wrote with Chitlesch > Goorah in French. > Can a native English speaker re-read it before uploading it to the wiki, > please? Feel free to edit it! > > Here is the link : http://mrtomlinux.org/fc4handout-en.odt > > Thomas Canniot BTW, the link for fedoraforum is not correct. :) It should be http://fedoraforum.org not http://fedoraforums.org -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fbrand at redhat.com Sat Mar 4 01:49:33 2006 From: fbrand at redhat.com (Florian Brand) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:49:33 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Call for Papers: Linuxtag Wiesbaden 2006 Message-ID: <1141436973.27542.142.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, before this hits the external world, here it is (shamelessly copied from the FUDCon Boston press release :) : The Fedora Project is proud to announce that FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 will be hosted by LinuxTag, Europe's biggest Open Source conference and expo, once again. The date for this event is Friday, May 5th. Attendance is free for all visitors of the LinuxTag Conference And Expo. "FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 continues a successful series of technical conferences." says Florian Brand, Fedora Ambassador. "This year we are looking for talks on three core skills: Management, Troubleshooting and Performance Tuning." To be considered for presentation, abstracts should be submitted through the LinuxTag Virtual Conference Center (https://www.linuxtag.org/vcc/) by no later than March 26th. Submissions are welcome from both developers and community members alike, new and old. Conference language is English. Cheers Florian -- Florian Brand RHCE RHCX RHCSS RHCA Red Hat GmbH * Hauptst?tter Str. 58 * D 70178 Stuttgart phone: +49 (0)711 96437510 (w) * +49 (0)173 6549478 (m) gpg: 8717 E7F7 05C1 E48A C347 9DA8 6AE7 AA45 26F1 70CA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Attendance is >free for all visitors of the LinuxTag Conference And Expo. > >"FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 continues a successful series of technical >conferences." says Florian Brand, Fedora Ambassador. "This year we are >looking for talks on three core skills: Management, Troubleshooting and >Performance Tuning." > >To be considered for presentation, abstracts should be submitted through >the LinuxTag Virtual Conference Center (https://www.linuxtag.org/vcc/) >by no later than March 26th. Submissions are welcome from both >developers and community members alike, new and old. Conference language >is English. > > > Can you do a announcement with some core details to the fedora-marketing list for me to circulate to the media sites which dont accept PR as news? -- Rahul From fbrand at redhat.com Sat Mar 4 01:57:33 2006 From: fbrand at redhat.com (Florian Brand) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:57:33 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxtag Wiesbaden 2006 Status Update Message-ID: <1141437453.27542.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, So here is a litte more status update on this event: We'll have FUDCon on Friday May 5th. (no rooms available on Saturday) The CfP should be visible on the LinuxTag page early next week. In addition to that we have a booth during the entire LinuxTag show. A friend of mine had this crazy idea to build the booth counters out of IKEA kitchen cupboards. (cheapest version, painted blue). Maybe this idea is just crazy enough. The whole thing depends on how big our booth is. Cheers Florian -- Florian Brand RHCE RHCX RHCSS RHCA Red Hat GmbH * Hauptst?tter Str. 58 * D 70178 Stuttgart phone: +49 (0)711 96437510 (w) * +49 (0)173 6549478 (m) gpg: 8717 E7F7 05C1 E48A C347 9DA8 6AE7 AA45 26F1 70CA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fbrand at redhat.com Sat Mar 4 02:08:26 2006 From: fbrand at redhat.com (Florian Brand) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:08:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Call for Papers: Linuxtag Wiesbaden 2006 In-Reply-To: <4408F29E.2080909@fedoraproject.org> References: <1141436973.27542.142.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4408F29E.2080909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141438106.27542.154.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, unfortunately my time is quite constrained at the moment. I am going on a longer vacation tomorrow (that's why the CFP ends march 26th. the day where I return from Mexico:) Maybe I can get something together before I leave, but please don't count on that. Alex can you help him out for me? Cheers Florian On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 07:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Florian Brand wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >before this hits the external world, here it is (shamelessly copied from > >the FUDCon Boston press release :) : > > > > > Thanks for the information Florian. Good luck on that. > > Here is a link. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConWiesbaden2006 > > >The Fedora Project is proud to announce that FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 will > >be hosted by LinuxTag, Europe's biggest Open Source conference and expo, > >once again. The date for this event is Friday, May 5th. Attendance is > >free for all visitors of the LinuxTag Conference And Expo. > > > >"FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 continues a successful series of technical > >conferences." says Florian Brand, Fedora Ambassador. "This year we are > >looking for talks on three core skills: Management, Troubleshooting and > >Performance Tuning." > > > >To be considered for presentation, abstracts should be submitted through > >the LinuxTag Virtual Conference Center (https://www.linuxtag.org/vcc/) > >by no later than March 26th. Submissions are welcome from both > >developers and community members alike, new and old. Conference language > >is English. > > > > > > > Can you do a announcement with some core details to the fedora-marketing > list for me to circulate to the media sites which dont accept PR as news? > -- Florian Brand RHCE RHCX RHCSS RHCA Red Hat GmbH * Hauptst?tter Str. 58 * D 70178 Stuttgart phone: +49 (0)711 96437510 (w) * +49 (0)173 6549478 (m) gpg: 8717 E7F7 05C1 E48A C347 9DA8 6AE7 AA45 26F1 70CA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to edit it! >> >> Here is the link : http://mrtomlinux.org/fc4handout-en.odt >> >> Thomas Canniot >> > > BTW, the link for fedoraforum is not correct. :) > > It should be http://fedoraforum.org not http://fedoraforums.org > > Thank you very much for your help ! Thomas Canniot From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 4 09:16:36 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:16:36 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Call for Papers: Linuxtag Wiesbaden 2006 In-Reply-To: <1141436973.27542.142.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141436973.27542.142.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060304091531.M24855@fedoraproject.org> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:49:33 +0100, Florian Brand wrote > Hi, > > before this hits the external world, here it is (shamelessly copied from > the FUDCon Boston press release :) : > > The Fedora Project is proud to announce that FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 will > be hosted by LinuxTag, Europe's biggest Open Source conference and expo, > once again. The date for this event is Friday, May 5th. Attendance is > free for all visitors of the LinuxTag Conference And Expo. > > "FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 continues a successful series of technical > conferences." says Florian Brand, Fedora Ambassador. "This year we are > looking for talks on three core skills: Management, Troubleshooting and > Performance Tuning." > > To be considered for presentation, abstracts should be submitted through > the LinuxTag Virtual Conference Center (https://www.linuxtag.org/vcc/) > by no later than March 26th. Submissions are welcome from both > developers and community members alike, new and old. Conference language > is English. > > Cheers > Florian > > -- > Florian Brand RHCE RHCX RHCSS RHCA > Red Hat GmbH * Hauptst?tter Str. 58 * D 70178 Stuttgart > phone: +49 (0)711 96437510 (w) * +49 (0)173 6549478 (m) > gpg: 8717 E7F7 05C1 E48A C347 9DA8 6AE7 AA45 26F1 70CA Hi Florian, Your announcement has been posted on fedoranews. http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/375 -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 6 23:59:29 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:59:29 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, Following the promotional material on the livecd, and refering to a previous mailing discussion, we decided to add promotional material of Fedora on the desktop of the fedora live cd (beta) We, DavidNalley and I decided to work on 2 items: item 1 : videos DavidNalley will come with some updates soon. item 2 : select appropriate presentations/handouts to display on the livecd and the kadischi impress document. concerning this part, Ive chosen the handouts in french and english as well as greg's linuxasia presentation. by the way, that presentation is great :) gregdek +1 I was thinking about to add only the presentations made on 2006 ! what do you think knowing the fact that its a FC5 livecd? If translators can translate the handouts in other languages it would be great too :) Too many materials would burst a 700mb CD :( So we must choose the appropriate one. If I missed some important materials, do point them to me because I would that the livecd might be helpful to any ambassador during their conference or events/shows. here is a screenshot of how it will be: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/108925615/ but as you can see the index.html file is not so pretty, im calling for "visual" enhancements :) this index.html will contain links of videos, handouts and presentations (in pdf) as you can see . if anyone wants share an enhanced index.html with more relevant contents, she/he is welcome. (ive attached my lame index.html to this mail) Im looking forward to upload another livecd by tomorrow night (im not promising anything). an english version this times :) I can see many will smile :) Yes, there are some updates compared to the first beta, I don't know whether you tried it or not. Chitlesh GOORAH ps: im not uploading my fedora approuved logo. I think you do have one already :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Abhishek Singh On 3/7/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Hai there, > > Following the promotional material on the livecd, and refering to a > previous mailing discussion, we decided to add promotional material of > Fedora on the desktop of the fedora live cd (beta) > > We, DavidNalley and I decided to work on 2 items: > > item 1 : videos > DavidNalley will come with some updates soon. > > item 2 : select appropriate presentations/handouts to display on the > livecd and the kadischi impress document. > concerning this part, Ive chosen the handouts in french and english > as well as greg's linuxasia presentation. by the way, that > presentation is great :) gregdek +1 > > I was thinking about to add only the presentations made on 2006 ! what > do you think knowing the fact that its a FC5 livecd? > > If translators can translate the handouts in other languages it would > be great too :) > Too many materials would burst a 700mb CD :( So we must choose the > appropriate one. > > If I missed some important materials, do point them to me because I > would that the livecd might be helpful to any ambassador during their > conference or events/shows. > > here is a screenshot of how it will be: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/108925615/ > > but as you can see the index.html file is not so pretty, im calling > for "visual" enhancements :) > this index.html will contain links of videos, handouts and > presentations (in pdf) as you can see . > > if anyone wants share an enhanced index.html with more relevant > contents, she/he is welcome. 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Pawel and Filip Klebczyk (one of the main co-organizers) are already planning to organize next event like that in the future. Pawel was recently at Network Security GigaCon in Poland (didn't have a speech, it was rather event in which companies were advertising themselves, but maybe next time at Linux GigaCon he'll try to make something ;)) and he would like to ask -- if I'll be on next event like that, can I write the Fedora Foundation as my company?(they require to write the name of company that you are from). lxmaier: yes, you can say you are a member of Fedora Ambassadors Project 1.3 Mar 18-19, 2006 glugc FLOSS Meet 2006 owner: KushalDas kushal: talked with sankarshan, he will give kushal some handouts & tshirts kushal: Still need FC5 cds (at least a live one). That I need most. 1.4 Apr 3-6, 2006 LinuxWorld Boston 2006 owners: MatthewMiller, JackAboutboul greendisease: okay, so we have secured the .org booth. actually we have secured it for both boston and san francisco. they like us so much, they offered me advanced booking and i took it. we will have a number of people there already, seeing as that the westford office is right down the road and we will have machines from pogo linux. and spot's mac mini. otherwise, gregdek, should we make a new banner with the new logo? as far as our install pavilion, i have a meeting with the expo people at 1 to design a setup that comes in under budget. i was thinking 2 large tables, 10 chairs, some carpet and electricity, etc. i am personally not planning on presenting. although i do have a projector we could use against the backdrop. and we will have one large 24' lcd in the booth. Our BOF (Birds of a Feather) is on the schedule, they havent given me the date yet. someone (warren) usually does a fedora presentation at the rh booth and points people to us; we did a few presentations on Fedora booth last time in SF, and it didnt work so well. in the install booth though, we should be able to. the problem is, no mics allowed in the .org section. but the install pavilion is anything goes. The space in the .org area is limited and having 40 people listening to your presentation starts to block traffic. idg complained. i think it is wiser to do presentations oin the install pavilion. 1.5 Apr 7, 2006 FUDCon Boston 2006 owners: MatthewMiller JackAboutboul greendisease: yeah, so all is well. logistics are complete. we have rooms and schedules. the cfp went well. we got about 15-20 topics. and we will try and choose the best 15 or so. 2.5 tracks, since one is the morning and two in the afternoon. we will be having some great talks. registration opens on Monday Mar 6. the presentations we have so far come from xiph foundation, levanta, pogo linux, mysql, the catalonian government, mit opencourseware. the schedule we have will go up and the announcement will go out on monday. and we are pretty much all set. the last few things to figure out are the AV equipment and do a test stream. and we should be golden. 1.6 Apr 11, 2006 Local LUG - Campux France, Lille. owner: ThomasCanniot MrTom: i have to work on the translation, but it's no big deal. i'm used to talk to these people in France :) it will be a "small" event then. and all the french community will have news about it on French websites. 1.7 Apr 19-22, 2006 FISL 7.0 owner: RodrigoPadula not present 1.8 May 3-6, 2006 LinuxTag/FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 owners: GeroldKassube FlorianBrand GeroldKa: sorry for this: we have no more informations about the organisation team and his decission. Florian stays in contact with the founder to get the decission as soon as they made them. In the meantime we are planning in the background :-) Another question in that case: Which Ambassador will attend the Linuxtag in Wiesbaden? I know from ChitleshGoorah, FlorianBrand, JensKuehnel, ThorstenLemhuis and me. Anyone other???? lxmaier: depending on many factors I might be able to come to linuxtag 1.9 May 15-16, 2006 LinuxWorld Italy 2006 owner AndreaMaurizioGnerre FrancescoUgolini: yep, i've to said one thing about this event. i have an update for the italian may event, i will not avaible. I wish that the things can change and i will be free for this event, but for the moment i'm blocked. i've send Andrea an email, now i'm waitng for a reply. item 2 FedoraLibraries Owner: ChitleshGoorah Description: Inform about this project. Bring up with some ideas. What do we lack for this project Owner not present item 3 Promotional material for Kadischi Time critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5 Compilation of material like presentations, help and videos would be good. lxmaier: i was not the one who added this to the list, and i am not sure i want to take responsibility for this project. do we ahve anyone who would like to coordinate this effort? ke4qqq: I'll help... I'll start with pres, and help...... videos after that. FrancescoUgolini: i've an ideas of a possible promotional video (30s) that talk about how the world is Open from the begging to the simple things and this is the reason to choose fedora. it's based on black background and white text, lxmaier: FrancescoUgolini, ke4qqq, would you mind building a team together and covering this whole area, Kadischi, FC5 virtual tour and all? (09:50:32) ke4qqq: that would be great from my perspective.... puneet_batura: i will be also developing a video for fedora5.... item 4 Fedora tour at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 Owners: RahulSundaram and anyone interested lxmaier: looks like FrancescoUgolini and ke4qqq will be joining in mether must have stepped out, no status report item 5 Schwag pipeline Owner: GregDeKoenigsberg Targer Date: End of March 2006 Description: Need to make sure that the schwag pipeline is functional. This is separate from the actual stuff we send; this is just making sure that the stuff we send actually gets to the places it needs to go. gregdek: 1. DVDs. Looks like we're going to be burning 2-sided, with source on one side and binaries on the other. This is (a) because people can't play with source if they don't have it, and (b) helps get the FSF off our back a bit, which is good. The cost will go up, which means that there will be fewer to go around -- but it's The Right Thing, so we'll deal with it. 2. Cost of kits is established, I'm meeting with our logistics guy today to get the final timeline on store availability in the US. Regions outside Americas will lag by 2 weeks to a month. For emergencies, though, we'll just ship from the US store for events. We'll take the cost hit. Here's a fact of life: we will *never* have mass DVDs within 2 weeks of the FC release. *Ever*. So at release time, we *must* figure out how to burn and distribute locally. So that's my update. More and better news next week, I'm sure. item 6 Presentations for Ambassadors Owner: AlexMaier Description: We need to provide Ambassadors with some slide decks for various presentations. We should probably aggregate the ones we already have and make them available. We should also figure out our policy for licensing these presentations! lxmaier: i will remove my name from there. i do not really lead this effort, but someone can volunteer to do that. gregdek: Proposed policy is OPL, right? I mean, we're basically doing this, aren't we? tchung: lxmaier, I think mether would be good lxmaier: yes, we are all for OPL :) -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 7 17:16:23 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:16:23 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 2, 2006, 14:00-15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603071716.23877.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Tuesday 07 March 2006 17:06, Alex Maier wrote: > gregdek: 1. DVDs. Looks like we're going to be burning 2-sided, with > source on one side and binaries on the other. This is (a) because > people can't play with source if they don't have it, and (b) helps get > the FSF off our back a bit, which is good. The cost will go up, which > means that there will be fewer to go around -- but it's The Right > Thing, so we'll deal with it. Why is this The Right Thing? Most people don't want or need the source. Why should we waste money on giving it to people, when we can use that money on getting _more_ disks to more people? Clair From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 7 17:17:33 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:17:33 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Leaving the ambassadors Message-ID: <200603071717.33836.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> I've decided to leave as an ambassador (I will still be active with the websites, and supporting in #fedora from time to time) I have decided against giving my reasons on a public mailing list. If anyone wants to know them, then they can feel free to ask me through email or IRC. Cheers, Clair. From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 17:28:51 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:28:51 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Leaving the ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603071717.33836.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603071717.33836.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <7f617d270603070928m698c8b5bmaca2d5c9b985b72f@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to see you leave Clair. Thank you for supporting the project--if you ever decide to re-join us, please feel welcome to. Alex On 3/7/06, Clair wrote: > I've decided to leave as an ambassador (I will still be active with the > websites, and supporting in #fedora from time to time) > > I have decided against giving my reasons on a public mailing list. If anyone > wants to know them, then they can feel free to ask me through email or IRC. > > > Cheers, > Clair. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 7 17:34:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:04:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 2, 2006, 14:00-15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> Alex Maier wrote: > >1.3 >Mar 18-19, 2006 glugc FLOSS Meet 2006 >owner: KushalDas >kushal: talked with sankarshan, he will give kushal some handouts & tshirts >kushal: Still need FC5 cds (at least a live one). That I need most. > > Do all the ambassadors get kits after every release? What does the kit include? >item 2 >FedoraLibraries >Owner: ChitleshGoorah >Description: Inform about this project. Bring up with some ideas. What >do we lack for this project >Owner not present > > Start with yourself Chitlesh. Talk to your local library and see what can be done. >item 3 >Promotional material for Kadischi >Time critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5 >Compilation of material like presentations, help and videos would be >good. >lxmaier: i was not the one who added this to the list, and i am not >sure i want to take responsibility for this project. do we ahve anyone >who would like to coordinate this effort? >ke4qqq: I'll help... I'll start with pres, and help...... videos after that. >FrancescoUgolini: i've an ideas of a possible promotional video (30s) >that talk about how the world is Open from the begging to the simple >things and this is the reason to choose fedora. it's based on black >background and white text, >lxmaier: FrancescoUgolini, ke4qqq, would you mind building a team >together and covering this whole area, Kadischi, FC5 virtual tour and >all? >(09:50:32) ke4qqq: that would be great from my perspective.... >puneet_batura: i will be also developing a video for fedora5.... > > Pretty much zero intake on this so far. I would like to see people here volunteer to get this done as a tour in the wiki. Time is running out. > >item 4 >Fedora tour at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 >Owners: RahulSundaram and anyone interested >lxmaier: looks like FrancescoUgolini and ke4qqq will be joining in >mether must have stepped out, no status report > > See above. >item 6 >Presentations for Ambassadors >Owner: AlexMaier >Description: We need to provide Ambassadors with some slide decks for >various presentations. We should probably aggregate the ones we >already have and make them available. We should also figure out our >policy for licensing these presentations! >lxmaier: i will remove my name from there. i do not really lead this >effort, but someone can volunteer to do that. >gregdek: Proposed policy is OPL, right? I mean, we're basically doing >this, aren't we? > tchung: lxmaier, I think mether would be good >lxmaier: yes, we are all for OPL :) > > I will take care of the presentation deal sometime soon. -- Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 7 18:04:00 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 2, 2006, 14:00-15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603071004n38e76837o57e254995fc88e1e@mail.gmail.com> > >item 2 > >FedoraLibraries > >Owner: ChitleshGoorah > >Description: Inform about this project. Bring up with some ideas. What > >do we lack for this project > >Owner not present > > > > > Start with yourself Chitlesh. Talk to your local library and see what > can be done. Gregdek was supposed to write a letter ? > Pretty much zero intake on this so far. I would like to see people here > volunteer to get this done as a tour in the wiki. Time is running out. Ive started to add some materials on my livecd as i sais before in my mail. abhisek will bring on an enhanced html for me. As well, Davidnelly talked with me and decided to make some videos for livecds -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From ke4qqq at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 7 17:54:13 2006 From: ke4qqq at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:54:13 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 2, 2006, 14:00-15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> >> item 3 >> Promotional material for Kadischi >> Time critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5 >> Compilation of material like presentations, help and videos would be >> good. >> lxmaier: i was not the one who added this to the list, and i am not >> sure i want to take responsibility for this project. do we ahve anyone >> who would like to coordinate this effort? >> ke4qqq: I'll help... I'll start with pres, and help...... videos after >> that. >> FrancescoUgolini: i've an ideas of a possible promotional video (30s) >> that talk about how the world is Open from the begging to the simple >> things and this is the reason to choose fedora. it's based on black >> background and white text, >> lxmaier: FrancescoUgolini, ke4qqq, would you mind building a team >> together and covering this whole area, Kadischi, FC5 virtual tour and >> all? >> (09:50:32) ke4qqq: that would be great from my perspective.... >> puneet_batura: i will be also developing a video for fedora5.... >> >> > Pretty much zero intake on this so far. I would like to see people here > volunteer to get this done as a tour in the wiki. Time is running out. > Chitlesh and I have divvied up some of these responsibilities on IRC. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Schedule Hope to upload a substantial portion of this to the wiki this evening. From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Tue Mar 7 19:16:03 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:16:03 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 2, 2006, 14:00-15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I'm working on litlle flash presentation (spot) and some banner to put in web pages to promote fedora. Wehn they will be avaiable i send an email with attached the files. See ya Il giorno 07/mar/06, alle ore 18:54, David Nalley ha scritto: >>> item 3 >>> Promotional material for Kadischi >>> Time critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5 >>> Compilation of material like presentations, help and videos would be >>> good. >>> lxmaier: i was not the one who added this to the list, and i am not >>> sure i want to take responsibility for this project. do we ahve >>> anyone >>> who would like to coordinate this effort? >>> ke4qqq: I'll help... I'll start with pres, and help...... videos >>> after >>> that. >>> FrancescoUgolini: i've an ideas of a possible promotional video >>> (30s) >>> that talk about how the world is Open from the begging to the simple >>> things and this is the reason to choose fedora. it's based on black >>> background and white text, >>> lxmaier: FrancescoUgolini, ke4qqq, would you mind building a team >>> together and covering this whole area, Kadischi, FC5 virtual tour >>> and >>> all? >>> (09:50:32) ke4qqq: that would be great from my perspective.... >>> puneet_batura: i will be also developing a video for fedora5.... >>> >>> >> Pretty much zero intake on this so far. I would like to see people >> here >> volunteer to get this done as a tour in the wiki. Time is running >> out. >> > Chitlesh and I have divvied up some of these responsibilities on IRC. > See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Schedule > Hope to upload a substantial portion of this to the wiki this evening. > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 7 19:25:42 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:25:42 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 2, 2006, 14:00-15:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603071125x7b1f6a69l6a8b7152dcf9b4f8@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I'm working on litlle flash presentation (spot) and some banner to > put in web pages to promote fedora. > > Wehn they will be avaiable i send an email with attached the files. Banners ? cool Maybe they might be useful for my index.html on the next livecd :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 01:26:56 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:26:56 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Promotion. Time is now! In-Reply-To: References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi All, I was expecting some more progress on the Press Release to announce our FC5 Lanuch Media Plan, but time is running out. Please check: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan . chillout.tar.gz is a 100% opensource-localizeable-web-promo. Feel free to use it and also to localize it in your own language (GUIDELINES: open file with inscape; click on the text tool; translate text; then click file -> export bitmap, making sure "page" is selected in dialog window, choose resolution, click browse and choose destination, then click export) . impress.tar.gz brings a couple of slide templates. 1st and content pages. Again, feel free to localize it This page outlines all communications activities involving the launch of FC5. A big worldwide splash I envisioned some time ago, and was willing to coordinate with Ambassadors worldwide on a timely manner (I know it's not perfect but can be improved). Truth is we are VERY LATE with all these. Someone needs to pick the highest points from the user perspective of FC5 and write a proper press release (max 3 pages) in the next two days so we'll have time to translate it in various languages and send it to the media. Or maybe two press releases: one for the masses and another one for techies. Remember! Not everyone has the same knowledge you have. Whats seems easy for you, can be quite hard and worky for others. Hope I have helped. Best, -- db From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 8 05:04:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:34:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Promotion. Time is now! In-Reply-To: <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <440E65D9.3040706@fedoraproject.org> David Barzilay wrote: >Hi All, > >I was expecting some more progress on the Press Release to announce our >FC5 Lanuch Media Plan, but time is running out. > >Please check: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan > >. chillout.tar.gz is a 100% opensource-localizeable-web-promo. Feel free >to use it and also to localize it in your own language (GUIDELINES: open >file with inscape; click on the text tool; translate text; then click >file -> export bitmap, making sure "page" is selected in dialog window, >choose resolution, click browse and choose destination, then click >export) > >. impress.tar.gz brings a couple of slide templates. 1st and content >pages. Again, feel free to localize it > >This page outlines all communications activities involving the launch of >FC5. A big worldwide splash I envisioned some time ago, and was willing >to coordinate with Ambassadors worldwide on a timely manner (I know it's >not perfect but can be improved). > >Truth is we are VERY LATE with all these. Someone needs to pick the >highest points from the user perspective of FC5 and write a proper press >release (max 3 pages) in the next two days so we'll have time to >translate it in various languages and send it to the media. Or maybe two >press releases: one for the masses and another one for techies. > > Ahem this draft press release was written a few days back and announced here for feedback. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease. Only concern for me and some is that it looks more like a release announcement rather than a press release now. Turn this into a release announcement. Rewrite the press release or polish it?. Less technical details and more eye catching summaries?. I am open for suggestions. Its a wiki anyway so edit it yourself if you want to. >Remember! Not everyone has the same knowledge you have. Whats seems easy >for you, can be quite hard and worky for others. > Share the precious knowledge and make it easy for everyone then. -- Rahul From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 05:34:40 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:34:40 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Promotion. Time is now! In-Reply-To: <440E65D9.3040706@fedoraproject.org> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> <440E65D9.3040706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141796080.6796.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi Rahul and All, Em Qua, 2006-03-08 ?s 10:34 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escreveu: > David Barzilay wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >I was expecting some more progress on the Press Release to announce our > >FC5 Lanuch Media Plan, but time is running out. > > > >Please check: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan > > > >. chillout.tar.gz is a 100% opensource-localizeable-web-promo. Feel free > >to use it and also to localize it in your own language (GUIDELINES: open > >file with inscape; click on the text tool; translate text; then click > >file -> export bitmap, making sure "page" is selected in dialog window, > >choose resolution, click browse and choose destination, then click > >export) > > > >. impress.tar.gz brings a couple of slide templates. 1st and content > >pages. Again, feel free to localize it > > > >This page outlines all communications activities involving the launch of > >FC5. A big worldwide splash I envisioned some time ago, and was willing > >to coordinate with Ambassadors worldwide on a timely manner (I know it's > >not perfect but can be improved). > > > >Truth is we are VERY LATE with all these. Someone needs to pick the > >highest points from the user perspective of FC5 and write a proper press > >release (max 3 pages) in the next two days so we'll have time to > >translate it in various languages and send it to the media. Or maybe two > >press releases: one for the masses and another one for techies. > > > > > Ahem this draft press release was written a few days back and announced > here for feedback. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease. Only > concern for me and some is that it looks more like a release > announcement rather than a press release now. Turn this into a release > announcement. Rewrite the press release or polish it?. Less technical > details and more eye catching summaries?. I am open for suggestions. Its > a wiki anyway so edit it yourself if you want to. Yeah, I'm subscribed to that page. It looks to me more like release notes than a press release, so my suggestion is doing exactly what you said, "Rewrite the press release" with "Less technical details and more eye catching summaries". I'd love to edit the wiki myself, but I'm still struggling with the CLA process, what stops me from editing wiki pages including my own (I know it sounds stupid and may even be, but here's what I meant by different people having different sorts of knowledge). > >Remember! Not everyone has the same knowledge you have. Whats seems easy > >for you, can be quite hard and worky for others. > > > Share the precious knowledge and make it easy for everyone then. No dramas in sharing the knowledge, but a press release is not the best way to do this. My thoughts points us to this plan: . Sending press release worldwide in as many languages we can, approaching FC in general, then focus on FC5 improvements (remember this might be the 1st time some people come across this sort of info as we are broadening our actions scope now) . Press release points to a URL (fedoraproject.org or the local website) where people can have more details and learn more about FC and FC5 . The referred websites bring a web promo, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan, linked to a fully- dedicated page for FC5 launch, that brings all major achievements and thorough explanations. Also including links to other sub-projects, how to contribute, etc How does these sound? If someone can tell me what are the **5 main "kick-ass-features" of FC5 from a user perspective** and also provide me with their explanations, I'll write the press release. Thanks for listening! Best, -- db From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 8 12:51:19 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:21:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Promotion. Time is now! In-Reply-To: <1141796080.6796.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> <440E65D9.3040706@fedoraproject.org> <1141796080.6796.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <440ED347.7010803@fedoraproject.org> David Barzilay wrote: > >No dramas in sharing the knowledge, but a press release is not the best >way to do this. My thoughts points us to this plan: > >. Sending press release worldwide in as many languages we can, >approaching FC in general, then focus on FC5 improvements (remember this >might be the 1st time some people come across this sort of info as we >are broadening our actions scope now) > >. Press release points to a URL (fedoraproject.org or the local website) >where people can have more details and learn more about FC and FC5 > >. The referred websites bring a web promo, >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan, linked to a fully- >dedicated page for FC5 launch, that brings all major achievements and >thorough explanations. Also including links to other sub-projects, how >to contribute, etc > > Here are some links that can be useful. Overview - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview Projects - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects How to contribute - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted Communicate - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate I18N websites - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityWebsites >How does these sound? > > > Sounds good. >If someone can tell me what are the **5 main "kick-ass-features" of FC5 >from a user perspective** and also provide me with their explanations, >I'll write the press release. > > > Depends on what the end user is using Fedora for, there are a huge number of improvements in the desktop, server and development world. The overview presents most of the important details http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView Once this new press release is written, polish it with the feedback from this list and others and publish it for translation. Then we can probably link to it from the release announcement and viceversa in sync. -- Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 14:19:44 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:19:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Promotion. Time is now! In-Reply-To: <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: Did you check out the proposed press release draft? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, David Barzilay wrote: > Hi All, > > I was expecting some more progress on the Press Release to announce our > FC5 Lanuch Media Plan, but time is running out. > > Please check: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan > > . chillout.tar.gz is a 100% opensource-localizeable-web-promo. Feel free > to use it and also to localize it in your own language (GUIDELINES: open > file with inscape; click on the text tool; translate text; then click > file -> export bitmap, making sure "page" is selected in dialog window, > choose resolution, click browse and choose destination, then click > export) > > . impress.tar.gz brings a couple of slide templates. 1st and content > pages. Again, feel free to localize it > > This page outlines all communications activities involving the launch of > FC5. A big worldwide splash I envisioned some time ago, and was willing > to coordinate with Ambassadors worldwide on a timely manner (I know it's > not perfect but can be improved). > > Truth is we are VERY LATE with all these. Someone needs to pick the > highest points from the user perspective of FC5 and write a proper press > release (max 3 pages) in the next two days so we'll have time to > translate it in various languages and send it to the media. Or maybe two > press releases: one for the masses and another one for techies. > > Remember! Not everyone has the same knowledge you have. Whats seems easy > for you, can be quite hard and worky for others. > > Hope I have helped. > > Best, > -- > db > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 8 14:22:08 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:52:08 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Promotion. Time is now! In-Reply-To: References: <7f617d270603070906w22a9a61fmec676b438ccafa9a@mail.gmail.com> <440DC432.9030005@fedoraproject.org> <440DC8C5.5030709@fedoraproject.org> <1141781216.4273.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <440EE890.7030301@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >Did you check out the proposed press release draft? > >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease > > > That has already been pointed out earlier in the discussion. -- Rahul From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Wed Mar 8 14:37:37 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:37:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner concept Message-ID: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> i've made three banner, they use the same fonts and color, the main change consist on the size and the type, now tell me about them. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 8 15:29:57 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:59:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner concept In-Reply-To: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> References: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <440EF875.30501@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > i've made three banner, they use the same fonts and color, the main > change consist on the size and the type, now tell me about them. I like the theme but some of these such as "be yourself is open", "be happy is open" doesnt make much sense nor is it grammatical. -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 15:33:38 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:33:38 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner concept In-Reply-To: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> References: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603080733g1382fd4ak61960efd57219242@mail.gmail.com> I have one comment to the logo--I would think using our proper logo, the "f"="infinity" thing is important. Francesco, do you think you could use the full fogo in your banners? Thank you, Alex On 3/8/06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > i've made three banner, they use the same fonts and color, the main > change consist on the size and the type, now tell me about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From wmirror at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 17:58:17 2006 From: wmirror at gmail.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:58:17 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner concept In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603080733g1382fd4ak61960efd57219242@mail.gmail.com> References: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> <7f617d270603080733g1382fd4ak61960efd57219242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, in fact i've see this problem after i've published the files, now i return to work on those. I've used ercholanum for the font's style, but it can be changed anytime. The beta1 was an experiment made to see the dimensional effect of word in the banner. The core of all is the Open, people need to know (they really know) that everithing is Open from the beggin to the end of the life and the correct choice for their software is an Open Software, not a close and commercial software made only for make money. So, they are made to tell you about the concept of the banner. Thanks for your feedback, i'm very gratefull with them. Please tell me if the theme of those banner (the text above) can be the correct choice or is better to underline the meaning of the new logo. I think that the last is the best choice. tell me more ... See ya Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 08/mar/06, alle ore 16:33, Alex Maier ha scritto: > I have one comment to the logo--I would think using our proper logo, > the "f"="infinity" thing is important. > > Francesco, do you think you could use the full fogo in your banners? > > Thank you, > Alex > > On 3/8/06, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> i've made three banner, they use the same fonts and color, the main >> change consist on the size and the type, now tell me about them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http:// > fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Wed Mar 8 18:17:36 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:47:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner concept In-Reply-To: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> References: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: HI Francesco, I think the first banner(beta 1) is great!!! in which u have actually related real world emotions like freedom with open ness ..nice thinking...btw i also agree the fedora logo should be there... 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Thanks Gerold. Just wanna remind the Ambassadors worldwide they can freely use and modify the graphics (web promo and impress templates) from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5LaunchMediaPlan Best, -- db Em Qua, 2006-03-08 ?s 20:32 +0100, Gerold Kassube escreveu: > Hi, > > based on the graphics "some hours" ago which were send by David Barzilay > I created a small Impress template ... > > Feel free for use it if you want to ... > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Mar 9 05:51:41 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 02:51:41 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Slide Template In-Reply-To: <1141846358.4855.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> References: <1141846358.4855.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> Message-ID: <440FC26D.2000101@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi!!! In attachment a fedora slide template, based in Fedora Core 5 graphics. I will use this TEMPLATE in the presentations in the FISL(International F?rum of Free Software in Brazil). - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFED8JsPg3HAC1vlg4RAu9BAJ9xFvYiOIy+08SRiiCKDE+Tn1fY5QCgzr+P K3uqGb3quYTQnvXBstRilDg= =rtJG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Mar 9 06:06:02 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:06:02 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Slide Template In-Reply-To: <440FC26D.2000101@projetofedora.org> References: <1141846358.4855.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <440FC26D.2000101@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <440FC5CA.9020200@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > Hi!!! > > In attachment a fedora slide template, based in Fedora Core 5 graphics. > > I will use this TEMPLATE in the presentations in the FISL(International > F?rum of Free Software in Brazil). > ops..... - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFED8XKPg3HAC1vlg4RAmvLAKC5sA/BNVjolzE8fxVD4YwscidqEgCeOEIN IuAj3kCy9pLr8mpFb+/MS3g= =mPKu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Special event is the "Ubuntu Love Day" as a subevent which will be on Saturday 6th May. Nearly at the same time there will be an Ubuntu Developers Conference from 3rd may to 10th may. Actual costs are 15/25/35/45 euros for 1/2/3/4 days if you dont preorder online. regards, Rudolf Kastl p.s. most of the article is about ubuntu happenings ;) > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 13:20:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:50:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxtag In-Reply-To: References: <54168.217.193.143.106.1141743344.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <440DA011.1050006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44102B99.1010801@fedoraproject.org> Rudolf Kastl wrote: >>Hello rahul.. i am probably faster: >> >>Ubuntu is going to be sponsor of the LinuxTag 2006 >> >>LinuxTag 2006 will happen from 3rd to 6th may in Wiesbaden/Germany. >>Special event is the "Ubuntu Love Day" as a subevent which will be on >>Saturday 6th May. Nearly at the same time there will be an Ubuntu >>Developers Conference from 3rd may to 10th may. >> >>Actual costs are 15/25/35/45 euros for 1/2/3/4 days if you dont preorder online. >> >>regards, >>Rudolf Kastl >> >>p.s. most of the article is about ubuntu happenings ;) >> So why is this relevant to this list? We arent tracking every distribution event here. -- Rahul From che666 at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 13:23:17 2006 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:23:17 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxtag In-Reply-To: <44102B99.1010801@fedoraproject.org> References: <54168.217.193.143.106.1141743344.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <440DA011.1050006@fedoraproject.org> <44102B99.1010801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2006/3/9, Rahul Sundaram : > Rudolf Kastl wrote: > > >>Hello rahul.. i am probably faster: > >> > >>Ubuntu is going to be sponsor of the LinuxTag 2006 > >> > >>LinuxTag 2006 will happen from 3rd to 6th may in Wiesbaden/Germany. > >>Special event is the "Ubuntu Love Day" as a subevent which will be on > >>Saturday 6th May. Nearly at the same time there will be an Ubuntu > >>Developers Conference from 3rd may to 10th may. > >> > >>Actual costs are 15/25/35/45 euros for 1/2/3/4 days if you dont preorder online. > >> > >>regards, > >>Rudolf Kastl > >> > >>p.s. most of the article is about ubuntu happenings ;) > >> > So why is this relevant to this list? We arent tracking every > distribution event here. > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > i got no clue i just summarized and translated it. linuxtag is interesting but like stated above 90% of this article is about ubuntu events. regards, Rudolf Kastl From gerold at lugd.org Thu Mar 9 13:44:29 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:44:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxtag In-Reply-To: References: <54168.217.193.143.106.1141743344.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <440DA011.1050006@fedoraproject.org> <44102B99.1010801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2568.81.63.173.170.1141911869.squirrel@www.gbc.net> So sorry for "confusing" you all ... It's in that case important that Linuxtag is the greatest Open Source event in EMEA (they write every year on their homepage and also in the press) and ... ... due of the matter, that Red Hat EMEA decides NOT to attend the Linuxtag also the Fedora Projects has at the moment no approved booth neither we're invited to attend the Linuxtag. They only tell me "Ohhhh, you have to wait ..." On the other hand, they push with such news the Ubuntu project which has obviously payed a "big amount" for beeing at the Linuxtag and step up the next "Ubuntu Love Day" @ that event ... Imho there is no equal opportunity at all in the eyes of the .ORG of Linuxtag and so we maybe felt out of the "open projects" and we should decide what to do, maybe not really worldwide but EMEA-wide. OpenSUSE has the same problem as well. Because of their is a prof. company in the background of the Community of the Distributor, Linuxtag stands on the point that the Project is not free and the prof. company should pay for booth and attending the event (That's just my personal interpretation of the happening in the last days) ... regards gerold Rudolf Kastl wrote: > 2006/3/9, Rahul Sundaram : >> Rudolf Kastl wrote: >> >> >>Hello rahul.. i am probably faster: >> >> >> >>Ubuntu is going to be sponsor of the LinuxTag 2006 >> >> >> >>LinuxTag 2006 will happen from 3rd to 6th may in Wiesbaden/Germany. >> >>Special event is the "Ubuntu Love Day" as a subevent which will be on >> >>Saturday 6th May. Nearly at the same time there will be an Ubuntu >> >>Developers Conference from 3rd may to 10th may. >> >> >> >>Actual costs are 15/25/35/45 euros for 1/2/3/4 days if you dont >> preorder online. >> >> >> >>regards, >> >>Rudolf Kastl >> >> >> >>p.s. most of the article is about ubuntu happenings ;) >> >> >> So why is this relevant to this list? We arent tracking every >> distribution event here. >> >> -- >> Rahul >> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > i got no clue i just summarized and translated it. > > linuxtag is interesting but like stated above 90% of this article is > about ubuntu events. > > regards, > Rudolf Kastl > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 13:50:17 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:20:17 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxtag In-Reply-To: <2568.81.63.173.170.1141911869.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <54168.217.193.143.106.1141743344.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <440DA011.1050006@fedoraproject.org> <44102B99.1010801@fedoraproject.org> <2568.81.63.173.170.1141911869.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <44103299.5090100@fedoraproject.org> Gerold Kassube wrote: >So sorry for "confusing" you all ... > >It's in that case important that Linuxtag is the greatest Open Source >event in EMEA (they write every year on their homepage and also in the >press) and ... > >... due of the matter, that Red Hat EMEA decides NOT to attend the >Linuxtag also the Fedora Projects has at the moment no approved booth >neither we're invited to attend the Linuxtag. >They only tell me "Ohhhh, you have to wait ..." >On the other hand, they push with such news the Ubuntu project which has >obviously payed a "big amount" for beeing at the Linuxtag and step up the >next "Ubuntu Love Day" @ that event ... >Imho there is no equal opportunity at all in the eyes of the .ORG of >Linuxtag and so we maybe felt out of the "open projects" and we should >decide what to do, maybe not really worldwide but EMEA-wide. OpenSUSE has >the same problem as well. Because of their is a prof. company in the >background of the Community of the Distributor, Linuxtag stands on the >point that the Project is not free and the prof. company should pay for >booth and attending the event (That's just my personal interpretation of >the happening in the last days) ... > > Interesting. If a commercial organization is sponsoring or participating in a distribution, its not free anymore?. By that measure doesnt the participation of Canonical exclude Ubuntu from that list?. Maybe there is a better explanation to this than a conspiracy theory. Thanks for providing the context though. -- Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 14:29:26 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:29:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603070527y78ef9fa3h1128b52b21536ad9@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <73396bd30603070444h11728028n4ab169324363d4b1@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603070527y78ef9fa3h1128b52b21536ad9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603090629y5dd40a9dib73b30eb4470abea@mail.gmail.com> I have 2 mockups: which one to choose? http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/110086431/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/108925615/ Abhishek how is it going on? -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From gerold at lugd.org Thu Mar 9 14:36:16 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:36:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Linuxtag In-Reply-To: <44103299.5090100@fedoraproject.org> References: <54168.217.193.143.106.1141743344.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <440DA011.1050006@fedoraproject.org> <44102B99.1010801@fedoraproject.org> <2568.81.63.173.170.1141911869.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <44103299.5090100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <22034.81.63.173.170.1141914976.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Interesting. If a commercial organization is sponsoring or participating > in a distribution, its not free anymore?. By that measure doesnt the > participation of Canonical exclude Ubuntu from that list?. Maybe there > is a better explanation to this than a conspiracy theory. Thanks for > providing the context though. > > > -- > Rahul Indeed; ... ... but the reason is: Canonical spends a lot of money (I don't know the amount excatly) for the Linuxtag and the "Ubuntu Love day" and red Hat (neither also Novell) didn't ... ... and as far as I understand: (free translation of mine) No money not a safe booth (first we look if there are other with less financial background than you with the prof. company ... ... and in this case I suggest to be blackmailed (I'm not sure if this is the right phrase) but should be: If you don't do it like I want it, you get nothing from me .... Regards Gerold From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 14:52:35 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:52:35 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, March 9, 2006, 23:00 UTC Message-ID: <7f617d270603090652k333917e7ia451f0ab3a292a8d@mail.gmail.com> Ambassadors of all countries, gather to the meeting! a -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From che666 at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 15:06:41 2006 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] irc support for upcoming fc5 release Message-ID: Hello List! As the new fc5 release will come out next week i am pretty sure that irc support questions will reach its peaks on the releaseday to the end of the upcoming weekend, so i decided to take the next week off work and will be (as earlier when i was less involved) available for support on irc with a guess rate of around 12 hours/day until the end of the weekend after the upcoming fc5 release to support and channelize bug reports with proper debug infos towards bugzilla. In my eyes "presence" and "help" is a very good marketing factor when it comes especially to new but generally computer experienced end users. Mouth to mouth propaganda is the most effective advertizing you can get in my eyes. Hence why i report this to this list at all. >From my personal experience most users that survive the first few weeks will stay atleast for a while with what they get since we all know fedora is a really sweet desktop product. I know there are various people offering good help on the irc support channel but i ask myself if it would help to "organize" that more. Like with a "voluntarys schedule". Whats your opinion about that? regards, Rudolf Kastl From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 9 15:01:14 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:01:14 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) Message-ID: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> I've made a new version of the beta1 banner. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: beta4.png Type: application/applefile Size: 117557 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: beta4.png Type: image/png Size: 65843 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- The next banner will be avaible later. Thanks very much for your feedback. Francesco Ugolini From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 15:10:52 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:40:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] irc support for upcoming fc5 release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4410457C.5070105@fedoraproject.org> Rudolf Kastl wrote: >Hello List! > >As the new fc5 release will come out next week i am pretty sure that >irc support questions will reach its peaks on the releaseday to the >end of the upcoming weekend, so i decided to take the next week off >work and will be (as earlier when i was less involved) available for >support on irc with a guess rate of around 12 hours/day until the end >of the weekend after the upcoming fc5 release to support and >channelize bug reports with proper debug infos towards bugzilla. > >In my eyes "presence" and "help" is a very good marketing factor when >it comes especially to new but generally computer experienced end >users. Mouth to mouth propaganda is the most effective advertizing you >can get in my eyes. Hence why i report this to this list at all. > > Awesome. >>From my personal experience most users that survive the first few >weeks will stay atleast for a while with what they get since we all >know fedora is a really sweet desktop product. > >I know there are various people offering good help on the irc support >channel but i ask myself if it would help to "organize" that more. >Like with a "voluntarys schedule". > >Whats your opinion about that? > Pretty good idea. If you can use the wiki to describe in detail common issues in a single page and use it to field questions, then it would come in quite handy. Might work with the Fedora Unity project people to sort out issues that we dont handle and then summarize the feedback that we get from users and media, both positive and negative ones to this list so that we know where we rock and what issues we need to fix sorely. Thanks for helping out Fedora users. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 15:13:54 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:43:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44104632.2010604@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a new version of the beta1 banner. > Might replace "Red Hat is open" with community is open. As much as I like advertisements for Red Hat, I dont feel it fits into the theme of the banner. "The change is open" should be just "Change is open". Excellent work. -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 15:14:00 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:14:00 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603090714v1261d402k984eedb1b1aeea7f@mail.gmail.com> Francesco, Unfortunately, this banner will not work. First of all, we do not have a permission to use Red Hat brand (even if spelled correctly, which is Red Hat, NOT redhat!) Further, there are a few typos in the banner: Here is the correct spelling for some of the misspelt slogans: Intelligence is open (this is actually a dodgy slogan as such, as there is some secret intelligence, and classified intelligence, which is not open. so I'd rather drop that one) Language is open in the case of "change is open" i would drop the "the" because you do not have it anywhere else. Hope that helps, Alex On 3/9/06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a new version of the beta1 banner. > > > > > > The next banner will be avaible later. > > Thanks very much for your feedback. > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 9 15:14:42 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:14:42 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603090714v1261d402k984eedb1b1aeea7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <7f617d270603090714v1261d402k984eedb1b1aeea7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66F2F1EA-32D5-4B0A-842F-258993EE09CA@fedora.redhat.com> Yes, i've used redhat becuase it is 6 words words long. I change those words. Il giorno 09/mar/06, alle ore 16:14, Alex Maier ha scritto: > Francesco, > > Unfortunately, this banner will not work. First of all, we do not have > a permission to use Red Hat brand (even if spelled correctly, which is > Red Hat, NOT redhat!) > > Further, there are a few typos in the banner: > > Here is the correct spelling for some of the misspelt slogans: > > Intelligence is open (this is actually a dodgy slogan as such, as > there is some secret intelligence, and classified intelligence, which > is not open. so I'd rather drop that one) > > Language is open > > in the case of "change is open" i would drop the "the" because you do > not have it anywhere else. > > Hope that helps, > Alex > > > On 3/9/06, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> I've made a new version of the beta1 banner. >> >> >> >> >> >> The next banner will be avaible later. >> >> Thanks very much for your feedback. >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http:// > fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From che666 at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 15:33:20 2006 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:33:20 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] irc support for upcoming fc5 release In-Reply-To: <4410457C.5070105@fedoraproject.org> References: <4410457C.5070105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2006/3/9, Rahul Sundaram : > Rudolf Kastl wrote: > > >Hello List! > > > >As the new fc5 release will come out next week i am pretty sure that > >irc support questions will reach its peaks on the releaseday to the > >end of the upcoming weekend, so i decided to take the next week off > >work and will be (as earlier when i was less involved) available for > >support on irc with a guess rate of around 12 hours/day until the end > >of the weekend after the upcoming fc5 release to support and > >channelize bug reports with proper debug infos towards bugzilla. > > > >In my eyes "presence" and "help" is a very good marketing factor when > >it comes especially to new but generally computer experienced end > >users. Mouth to mouth propaganda is the most effective advertizing you > >can get in my eyes. Hence why i report this to this list at all. > > > > > Awesome. > > >>From my personal experience most users that survive the first few > >weeks will stay atleast for a while with what they get since we all > >know fedora is a really sweet desktop product. > > > >I know there are various people offering good help on the irc support > >channel but i ask myself if it would help to "organize" that more. > >Like with a "voluntarys schedule". > > > >Whats your opinion about that? > > > Pretty good idea. If you can use the wiki to describe in detail common > issues in a single page and use it to field questions, then it would > come in quite handy. there are various things i see how this proposed list of common issues can be helpful: 1. to collect feedback for fedora developers 2. to compile a new updated faq for fc5 3. to help the supporters on irc to get aware of most common issues So yes i agree that this is a "must have". > Might work with the Fedora Unity project people to > sort out issues that we dont handle and then summarize the feedback that > we get from users and media, both positive and negative ones to this > list so that we know where we rock and what issues we need to fix sorely. Exactly. And another thing i have in mind is maybe to compile something like a "fedora support group" largely compiled from volunteers to provide knowledge and experience transfer and maybe also writing up basic documentation on "How to give support" to yet less experienced supporters and create a kinda "schedule" with the most experienced ones to keep an eye on what is going on in the end user support channel. We yet miss something like a support process aswell and id gladly volunteer to do more in that particular direction to get more out of the good base we already have there. A first step would be to get people from the main #fedora channel and people from every single localized channel like #fedora-fr #fedora-de etc. Once theres news in that direction i will keep you all updated on this list. > Thanks for helping out Fedora users. A pleasure, Rudolf Kastl > > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 15:41:38 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:11:38 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] irc support for upcoming fc5 release In-Reply-To: References: <4410457C.5070105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44104CB2.6000907@fedoraproject.org> Rudolf Kastl wrote: >there are various things i see how this proposed list of common issues >can be helpful: > >1. to collect feedback for fedora developers > > I will take care of this but any help is welcome >2. to compile a new updated faq for fc5 > > If its within the ideals of the Fedora Project, feel free to use the wiki. There are other community websites like Fedora FAQ, FCP and Fedora unity which can help otherwise. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityWebsites. > >Exactly. And another thing i have in mind is maybe to compile >something like a "fedora support group" largely compiled from >volunteers to provide knowledge and experience transfer and maybe also >writing up basic documentation on "How to give support" to yet less >experienced supporters and create a kinda "schedule" with the most >experienced ones to keep an eye on what is going on in the end user >support channel. We yet miss something like a support process aswell >and id gladly volunteer to do more in that particular direction to get >more out of the good base we already have there. > >A first step would be to get people from the main #fedora channel and >people from every single localized channel like #fedora-fr #fedora-de >etc. > > Ya feel free to lead that effort and keep us updated on the progress now and then. Go, Go, Go. -- Rahul From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 9 15:27:43 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:27:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <44104632.2010604@fedoraproject.org> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <44104632.2010604@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <88B514FD-F2BA-4985-9D59-FAF93F31FE76@fedora.redhat.com> I've change intelligence and redhat (sorry for the bad spelling) with community , culture and, finally, i've corrected language . -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: beta4.png Type: application/applefile Size: 117473 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think perhaps, a better alternative is ${noun} is free if you need to follow the same pattern. culture is free life is free and then, at the bottom: Free as in Speech, Free as in Beer, Free as in Freedom, Free as in Fedora! Just a core dump of /dev/peanut (also known as my brain) -- Gja -- Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com If the user points the gun at his foot and pulls the trigger, it is our job to ensure the bullet gets where it's supposed to. From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 16:10:31 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:40:31 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Meeting Reminder: Thursday, March 9, 2006, 23:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603090652k333917e7ia451f0ab3a292a8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603090652k333917e7ia451f0ab3a292a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141920631.16837.17.camel@linuxbox> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 09:52 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Ambassadors of all countries, gather to the meeting! > a Apologies in advance. I will be catching some zzzz at the time... But I ask a favor could someone please put up the IRC logs (raw dump) of the meet online some where, or at least privately mail them to me. I write the ambassadors section of the Fedora Weekly Report, and I was not able to include facts from the meeting on March 2nd, as the meeting summary was made public on the 7th, and I needed to finish the weekly report by the 6th. If someone would mail me the IRC logs, I'd really appreciate the help. Oh, and the meeting is at 2200 UTC, not 2300 Gja -- Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com Daemons did it From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 9 16:12:07 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:12:07 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <1141919927.16837.9.camel@linuxbox> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <44104632.2010604@fedoraproject.org> <88B514FD-F2BA-4985-9D59-FAF93F31FE76@fedora.redhat.com> <1141919927.16837.9.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: Everything is Open and i ask myself why i have to use a close OS such as Windows, when in the world exist Open (Source) Operating System and i've decided to extend this issue in a banner. Correctly you ask me why i've decided to use Open instead of Free, my reply is simple: many commercial (so close) software are freely, so i've thought that we have to underline the Open side of Fedora, that is the gratest thing of this project. This is my opinion. What do you think, then ? Thanks for your feedback. Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 09/mar/06, alle ore 16:58, Tejas Dinkar ha scritto: > On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 16:27 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I've change intelligence and redhat (sorry for the bad spelling) >> with community , culture and, finally, i've corrected language . > > I like beta 4 a lot. > > However, I still do not understand the banner. > > But could you please explain why you keep writing > ${noun} is open. > > I think perhaps, a better alternative is > ${noun} is free > > if you need to follow the same pattern. > culture is free > life is free > > and then, at the bottom: > > Free as in Speech, > Free as in Beer, > Free as in Freedom, > Free as in Fedora! > > Just a core dump of /dev/peanut (also known as my brain) > > -- Gja > -- > Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com > > If the user points the gun at his foot and pulls the trigger, it > is our job to ensure the bullet gets where it's supposed to. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From aks.abhishek at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 17:30:16 2006 From: aks.abhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Singh) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:15:16 +0545 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Meeting Message-ID: <73396bd30603090930ga243d9pfe03c1584cdbe76c@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, I won't be able to attend the meeting this week because I'm very busy in the reformation of KUOSC (an autonomous body of my university to promote FOSS). 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Apologies, a On 3/9/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 09:52 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Ambassadors of all countries, gather to the meeting! > > a > > Apologies in advance. > > I will be catching some zzzz at the time... > > But I ask a favor > > could someone please put up the IRC logs (raw dump) of the meet online > some where, or at least privately mail them to me. > > I write the ambassadors section of the Fedora Weekly Report, and I was > not able to include facts from the meeting on March 2nd, as the meeting > summary was made public on the 7th, and I needed to finish the weekly > report by the 6th. > > If someone would mail me the IRC logs, I'd really appreciate the help. > > Oh, and the meeting is at 2200 UTC, not 2300 > > Gja > -- > Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com > > Daemons did it > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 20:16:10 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:16:10 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <88B514FD-F2BA-4985-9D59-FAF93F31FE76@fedora.redhat.com> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <44104632.2010604@fedoraproject.org> <88B514FD-F2BA-4985-9D59-FAF93F31FE76@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060309201257.M79184@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:27:43 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote > I've change intelligence and redhat (sorry for the bad spelling) > with community , culture and, finally, i've corrected language . Hi Francesco, First of all, I appreciate your work. Instead of attaching those files to an email and send them out to an entire list, would you mind attaching them in your wiki page? Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 9 20:29:03 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:29:03 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <20060309201257.M79184@fedoraproject.org> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <44104632.2010604@fedoraproject.org> <88B514FD-F2BA-4985-9D59-FAF93F31FE76@fedora.redhat.com> <20060309201257.M79184@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175EB60-6ED6-4264-80F0-B238A7A8B4C3@fedora.redhat.com> Ok, i do this . Thanks very much Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 09/mar/06, alle ore 21:16, Thomas Chung ha scritto: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:27:43 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote >> I've change intelligence and redhat (sorry for the bad spelling) >> with community , culture and, finally, i've corrected language . > > Hi Francesco, > > First of all, I appreciate your work. > > Instead of attaching those files to an email and send them out to > an entire list, would > you mind attaching them in your wiki page? > > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Thu Mar 9 20:56:43 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:56:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603090629y5dd40a9dib73b30eb4470abea@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <73396bd30603070444h11728028n4ab169324363d4b1@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603070527y78ef9fa3h1128b52b21536ad9@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603090629y5dd40a9dib73b30eb4470abea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141937803.2317.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think the first one is the best one :) Thomas Canniot Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 ? 15:29 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH a ?crit : > I have 2 mockups: > > which one to choose? > http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/110086431/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/108925615/ > > Abhishek how is it going on? > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 21:19:03 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:19:03 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <1141937803.2317.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <73396bd30603070444h11728028n4ab169324363d4b1@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603070527y78ef9fa3h1128b52b21536ad9@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603090629y5dd40a9dib73b30eb4470abea@mail.gmail.com> <1141937803.2317.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603091319r3c3e1a4aid938e645a132a5b8@mail.gmail.com> On 3/9/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > I think the first one is the best one :) > > Thomas Canniot Abhishek did a great job :) nice layout :) Ill add more info and the videos that DavidNelly did http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Videos -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From halaba at o2.pl Thu Mar 9 21:49:44 2006 From: halaba at o2.pl (Mateusz Halaba) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:49:44 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner concept In-Reply-To: <1141847730.3013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7AC829D0-3ED9-4BD3-B8FE-480D3240D1B1@fedora.redhat.com> <1141847730.3013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4410A2F8.5030300@o2.pl> Hello, In my opinion, beta2 is the best too Mateusz Halaba From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Thu Mar 9 23:24:25 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:54:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Vrtual Meet- A thought! Message-ID: Hi all, I just wanted to have u r valuable feedback on a thought regarding: Since we all are associated with Linux Users Group in one way or the other hence we can have local LUGS meeting scheduled on the IRCs ( thats what i have named as virtual meet!) and can invite other countries fedora ambassadors to those virtual meets to spread Fedora there like a guest speaker. So everytime there's a new fedora ambassador(key attraction) joining in to give his/her valuable views . I think that will make LUGS more functional and we can reach more and more people with the word FEDORA at large.. Waiting for your valuable feedbacks..... -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Thu Mar 9 23:46:31 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:46:31 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 18:59 -0500, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hai there, > > Following the promotional material on the livecd, and refering to a > previous mailing discussion, we decided to add promotional material of > Fedora on the desktop of the fedora live cd (beta) > > We, DavidNalley and I decided to work on 2 items: > > item 1 : videos > DavidNalley will come with some updates soon. > > item 2 : select appropriate presentations/handouts to display on the > livecd and the kadischi impress document. > concerning this part, Ive chosen the handouts in french and english > as well as greg's linuxasia presentation. by the way, that > presentation is great :) gregdek +1 > > I was thinking about to add only the presentations made on 2006 ! what > do you think knowing the fact that its a FC5 livecd? > > If translators can translate the handouts in other languages it would > be great too :) > Too many materials would burst a 700mb CD :( So we must choose the > appropriate one. > > If I missed some important materials, do point them to me because I > would that the livecd might be helpful to any ambassador during their > conference or events/shows. > > here is a screenshot of how it will be: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/29842792 at N00/108925615/ > > but as you can see the index.html file is not so pretty, im calling > for "visual" enhancements :) > this index.html will contain links of videos, handouts and > presentations (in pdf) as you can see . > > if anyone wants share an enhanced index.html with more relevant > contents, she/he is welcome. (ive attached my lame index.html to this > mail) > > Im looking forward to upload another livecd by tomorrow night (im not > promising anything). an english version this times :) I can see many > will smile :) > > Yes, there are some updates compared to the first beta, I don't know > whether you tried it or not. > > Chitlesh GOORAH > > ps: im not uploading my fedora approuved logo. I think you do have one > already :) > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Hai Chitlesh, Thanks for the update on your work in this area. However the Ambassadors list is slightly off topic for this from what I understand. I would think that the Ambassadors list should be focused on speaking events and also getting schwag to Ambassadors, all other marketing related topics should see daylight on the marketing list. Please correct me if I am wrong but the Ambassadors list is private so items that should not be publicly disclosed should be discussed here. In contrast items that the community as a whole should have input on should always take place in a public forum. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 01:01:22 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:01:22 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603091701x390030d6n3aa21c5ea8f62c26@mail.gmail.com> > Hai Chitlesh, > > Thanks for the update on your work in this area. However the Ambassadors > list is slightly off topic for this from what I understand. I would > think that the Ambassadors list should be focused on speaking events and > also getting schwag to Ambassadors, all other marketing related topics > should see daylight on the marketing list. Hello Bob, It might be off topic for this list. the idea behind this is to gather at least materials needed by ambassadors that might be useful during their events/conferences. I could then include these contents inside my livecd since there was a demand for a livecd among ambassadors. Might be useful :) > Please correct me if I am wrong but the Ambassadors list is private so > items that should not be publicly disclosed should be discussed here. In > contrast items that the community as a whole should have input on should > always take place in a public forum. Im working on different parts of Kadischi right now. Since in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Schedule, I have # Add some good introductory and promotional material in a desktop folder by default # provide a Fedora introduction in the bootup prompt by default I thought it might be a good idea to post here, in order to be on the right track. But I can move the discussion to the marketing-list if you want, but not to a forum! -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 01:15:36 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603091319r3c3e1a4aid938e645a132a5b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <73396bd30603070444h11728028n4ab169324363d4b1@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603070527y78ef9fa3h1128b52b21536ad9@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603090629y5dd40a9dib73b30eb4470abea@mail.gmail.com> <1141937803.2317.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <13dbfe4f0603091319r3c3e1a4aid938e645a132a5b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141953337.2999.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I think first is the best. Cheers, Pawel Sadowski From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 01:57:45 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:57:45 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603091701x390030d6n3aa21c5ea8f62c26@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <13dbfe4f0603091701x390030d6n3aa21c5ea8f62c26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141955866.2999.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I think it could be a good idea to send info like that to both, ambassadors and marketing list. In my opinion ambassadors need to know news about a promotial material. Regards, Pawel Sadowski From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 02:03:35 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:03:35 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] irc support for upcoming fc5 release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1141956215.2999.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Yeah, IRC support would be a good thing. It would be a good idea to gather experts, who have the knowledge and some time to a channel. Personally, I unfortunately don't have time now. I'm quite busy with preparing a FCOD (Fedora Core Open Days) presentation, and also, I have to translate FC5 relnotes before the release :> Regards, Pawel Sadowski From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Fri Mar 10 03:27:52 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:27:52 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose Message-ID: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> After 4 months in the ambassador project I have several questions and also some opinions. I will answer my own questions so you know where I am coming from. Why are we ambassadors? I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people through Slides and structured content. Do small events count? I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones that count. Everything else is just filler. Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list for greater input. What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how small. Where did the Ambassadors project come from? For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 archives of the marketing list. What happened to the Marketing project? It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general marketing project was allowed to die. Why is the Ambassadors list private? The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. What can we do to make things better? I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway "stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 03:44:14 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:14:14 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <4410F60E.2030107@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I might reply to this original mail in parts, taking something that struck me first up. Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > Do small events count? > > I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general > ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our > leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > that count. Everything else is just filler. I am tempted to answer to this as depends :) There is a reason to this. A first hand experience with FUDConDelhi2006 proves that it is necessary to make a splash. However, the fun bit was that the splash has started off a chain of smaller events where at least someone is talking about Fedora or holding a BoF. Bigger events sometimes have a distinctly different agenda from the core Fedora desirables but they do get the project more eyeballs. Smaller ones (half day/3 hours) allow us to spread love evenly and sure they do count. > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > for greater input. Taking a leaf from OpenOffice.org - the MarCons (Marketing Contacts) *are* regional Ambassadors (though never explicitly stated) and participate in somewhat extent in strategy sessions and directions. Ambassadors should be part of Marketing List but not vice-versa. The Ambassador role is a smaller focussed subset of the Marketing Role. Warm regards Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEEPYOXQZpNTcrCzMRAn9WAKCE0NWKofnG15RZ2xayzBG/ftZRgwCgmGXZ 96W4QIg+VftJptUp0UC0Ikk= =ZGkw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Fri Mar 10 03:49:36 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:49:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: My comments inline. On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > After 4 months in the ambassador project I have several questions and > also some opinions. I will answer my own questions so you know where I > am coming from. > > Why are we ambassadors? > > I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people > through Slides and structured content. > > Do small events count? > > I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general > ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our > leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > that count. Everything else is just filler. Perhaps this is a problem with how we structure the meetings. It's an hour of "talking about upcoming events" and sometimes not much else. I think this is largely a problem of scalability. > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > for greater input. I agree. > What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? > > They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how > small. I strongly agree. This was the initial charter for the Ambassadors project. > Where did the Ambassadors project come from? > > For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 > archives of the marketing list. > > What happened to the Marketing project? > > It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > marketing project was allowed to die. The Ambassadors project is strongly focused on clear action: get people in front of other people to talk about Fedora, with the tools required to do so intelligently. > Why is the Ambassadors list private? > > The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people > from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. Do we need to revisit this? I honestly don't even remember if the archives are public or private. > What can we do to make things better? > > I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > "stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. There's a natural bleed-over, and because I'm on both lists, I don't even notice when that bleed-over has occured. Marketing is a good place for generating ideas. The still-open question: is it a good place for generating action? Not without strong leadership. Possibly even fairly autocratic leadership. The problem with marketing is that "the right path" is usually not nearly as clear as in engineering matters. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From nman64 at n-man.com Fri Mar 10 03:55:34 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:55:34 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <200603092155.37657.nman64@n-man.com> I think these are very important points that are long overdue. We've been trucking along without paying enough attention to these issues as they have continued to develop. On Thursday 09 March 2006 21:27, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > After 4 months in the ambassador project I have several questions and > also some opinions. I will answer my own questions so you know where I > am coming from. > > Why are we ambassadors? > > I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people > through Slides and structured content. I have participated in the Ambassadors program in the hopes of expanding my past participation in the Marketing program to spread Fedora in my local area. > > Do small events count? > > I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general > ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our > leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > that count. Everything else is just filler. In placing our top priorities on the larger projects, we have allowed the smaller ones to fall into the background, losing the valuable attention they deserve. A grass-roots approach is how we started out, how we've gotten this far, and how I think we should continue, using the larger events to support that effort. > > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > for greater input. The policy of the Fedora Project has always been to remain as transparent as possible. Anything that doesn't need to be private should be taken to more public lists. Allowing access to archives simply isn't enough to engage the public audience. > > What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? > > They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how > small. ...and events shouldn't be our only focus. There are plenty of important ways that Ambassadors can spread Fedora without events. We can't forget that. > > Where did the Ambassadors project come from? > > For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 > archives of the marketing list. Community Marketing Contacts. The Ambassadors program was originally intended to provide a public and local-level voice for the Marketing program, not to replace it. > > What happened to the Marketing project? > > It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > marketing project was allowed to die. The way the Marketing program disappeared was very unfortunate. It should not have been allowed to happen that way. Ambassadors does not obsolete Marketing, it supplements it. There are many objectives that are not within the stated goals of the Ambassadors, and the Marketing program should be revived to fulfill those objectives. > > Why is the Ambassadors list private? > > The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people > from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. I think we were also trying to prevent pollution of the list with the wrong types of messages. In some respects, we have failed. IIRC, the archives are open. Perhaps we should consider making a separate list, read-only, that will duplicate all ambassadors-list messages and has open subscriptions. This would allow outsiders to follow the list without regularly checking the archives. > > What can we do to make things better? > > I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > "stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. > > I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk > about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. Reviving Marketing has been on my mind for some time. This is something I would really like to take on, but we'll have to take on some of these other issues to make it happen the way it should and allow our projects to be all that they can be. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I get the feeling that our > leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > that count. Everything else is just filler. This is the exact opposite in my eyes. I was at both foss.in and LinuxAsia. (4k people at the first, IIRC) Which were major events, and I was at the booth at FOSS.in for all 4 days. Both were major FOSS events, and, everyone already knew what Fedora was. In fact, trying to promote fedora at any foss event (to me) appears redundant. Yes, it is important that people know the latest and best of what going around the fedora world, but more important than that is to get people who use entirely proprietary software in to fedora. And you don't see such people at large events. These people usually loaf around college tech-fests... in fact, I've pulled random people off my college corridors and given them a lecture on free software, and lent them MY FC4 CDs. > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > for greater input. po-tay-to, po-taaa-to. How difficult is it, really, to get on the ambassadors list? We set some bare minimum, but actually the only thing you need to get onto this list is a valid name, and email. Anyone who wants to get on the ambassadors list needs only to prove that he has some interest in spreading the freedom, which he will have by definition if he plans on contributing on the Marketing List. The only exception being the media, but we can ping the marketing list every time we reach a benchmark. > What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? > > They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how > small. +1000000 > What happened to the Marketing project? > > It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > marketing project was allowed to die. Well, in my opinion, the Marketing list is deprecated. The ambassadors list gives structure to what the marketing list does. And further more, the Ambassadors project gives everyone a chance to participate as a PEER in the project. IMO, the marketing project just lacked that, plus the term is rather derogatory for those of us who want to be hackers. > What can we do to make things better? > > I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > "stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. Hmmm, I disagree... Ambassadors should be the front end. Yes, I think marketing shouldn't die. But I'd really appreciate a specific answer to this question: `What can Marketing do better than the Ambassadors?`. better = [faster, more efficient, reach more people]. > I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk > about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. I have given flame bait. Flame away. Just another core dump of /dev/peanut (my brain ;) Gja -- Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com http://www.gja.in Freedom of the press is for those who happen to own one. From pablo at barrerafranco.com.ar Fri Mar 10 04:25:43 2006 From: pablo at barrerafranco.com.ar (pablo at barrerafranco.com.ar) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:25:43 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <002f01c643fa$b3852410$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> Why are we ambassadors? I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people through Slides and structured content. I am not agree, our role goes further, Ambassador for everyone to get started in FOSS with this fantastic OS. We are walkers of FOSS...or not?? Pablo Barrera Franco Fedora Ambassador - Argentina From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Fri Mar 10 04:35:13 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:35:13 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <1141965313.2682.48.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 22:49 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > My comments inline. > > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > > After 4 months in the ambassador project I have several questions and > > also some opinions. I will answer my own questions so you know where I > > am coming from. > > > > Why are we ambassadors? > > > > I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people > > through Slides and structured content. > > > > Do small events count? > > > > I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general > > ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our > > leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > > that count. Everything else is just filler. > > Perhaps this is a problem with how we structure the meetings. It's an > hour of "talking about upcoming events" and sometimes not much else. I > think this is largely a problem of scalability. > > > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > > for greater input. > > I agree. > > > What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? > > > > They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how > > small. > > I strongly agree. This was the initial charter for the Ambassadors > project. > > > Where did the Ambassadors project come from? > > > > For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 > > archives of the marketing list. > > > > What happened to the Marketing project? > > > > It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > > created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > > marketing project was allowed to die. > > The Ambassadors project is strongly focused on clear action: get people in > front of other people to talk about Fedora, with the tools required to > do so intelligently. > > > Why is the Ambassadors list private? > > > > The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people > > from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. > > Do we need to revisit this? I honestly don't even remember if the > archives are public or private. > > > What can we do to make things better? > > > > I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > > of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > > part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > > Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > > "stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. > > There's a natural bleed-over, and because I'm on both lists, I don't even > notice when that bleed-over has occured. > > Marketing is a good place for generating ideas. The still-open question: > is it a good place for generating action? Not without strong leadership. > Possibly even fairly autocratic leadership. > > The problem with marketing is that "the right path" is usually not nearly > as clear as in engineering matters. > > --g > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > ------------------------------------------------------------- > From https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list About Fedora-ambassadors-list To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Fedora-ambassadors-list Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list members.) I personally do not think this needs to change as long as we ask Ambassadors to be members of the public marketing list and discuss community items there. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm quite busy with > preparing a FCOD (Fedora Core Open Days) presentation, and also, I have > to translate FC5 relnotes before the release :> > > Regards, > Pawel Sadowski > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > well actually it already happens. we got a really good support crew in my eyes in #fedora. good enough to make other distros developers stop by and admire whats going on there. happened various times already. its just that its relatively uncoordinated and that general guidelines for the supporters are missing. if you at any time are interested in the undertaking feel free to drop me an email though. Help would be appreciated. regards, Rudolf Kastl From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 11:31:33 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:01:33 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Vrtual Meet- A thought! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44116395.6020706@fedoraproject.org> puneet batura wrote: >Hi all, > >I just wanted to have u r valuable feedback on a thought regarding: >Since we all are associated with Linux Users Group in one way or the other >hence we can have local LUGS meeting scheduled on the IRCs ( thats what i >have named as virtual meet!) and can invite other countries fedora >ambassadors to those virtual meets to spread Fedora there like a guest >speaker. So everytime there's a new fedora ambassador(key attraction) >joining in to give his/her valuable views . I think that will make LUGS more >functional and we can reach more and more people with the word FEDORA at >large.. > >Waiting for your valuable feedbacks..... >-- > > > How many LUG's do you know that has any regular IRC meetings or IRC channels even?. The mailing list traffic in the LUG's seem to be much more dominant compared to the usually idle small talk in the IRC channels that do exist. It's worth trying though and we can ask the Fedora people to have a IRC session with FAQ similar to the ones that we had already earlier (http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora). Alternatively if the talk is for India LUG members, they can login into #fedora-India. If you are part a LUG that would be interested in this, we can discuss the timings and we can have a virtual meet in #fedora-India or any LUG IRC channel of your choice. I (along with possibly other Fedora contributors) can talk about Fedora in general or Fedora Core 5 followed by a Q&A session. Does that sound good? -- Rahul From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 10 13:22:57 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:52:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Vrtual Meet- A thought! In-Reply-To: <44116395.6020706@fedoraproject.org> References: <44116395.6020706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Hi Rahul, i really appreciate u r feedback and yes my concern is to make the lugs aware of these virtual meets so that they can have a spontaneous interaction like the one we ambassadors follow. #fedora-india will be a great platform to have virtual meets. Currently i am propogating these messages(about virtual meet) to the lugs world wide via mailing-lists and will be proceeding as per their response to this initiative of ours. And yes it definately sounds good :) On 3/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > puneet batura wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I just wanted to have u r valuable feedback on a thought regarding: > >Since we all are associated with Linux Users Group in one way or the > other > >hence we can have local LUGS meeting scheduled on the IRCs ( thats what i > >have named as virtual meet!) and can invite other countries fedora > >ambassadors to those virtual meets to spread Fedora there like a guest > >speaker. So everytime there's a new fedora ambassador(key attraction) > >joining in to give his/her valuable views . I think that will make LUGS > more > >functional and we can reach more and more people with the word FEDORA at > >large.. > > > >Waiting for your valuable feedbacks..... > >-- > > > > > > > How many LUG's do you know that has any regular IRC meetings or IRC > channels even?. The mailing list traffic in the LUG's seem to be much > more dominant compared to the usually idle small talk in the IRC > channels that do exist. It's worth trying though and we can ask the > Fedora people to have a IRC session with FAQ similar to the ones that we > had already earlier > (http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora). > Alternatively if the talk is for India LUG members, they can login into > #fedora-India. > > If you are part a LUG that would be interested in this, we can discuss > the timings and we can have a virtual meet in #fedora-India or any LUG > IRC channel of your choice. I (along with possibly other Fedora > contributors) can talk about Fedora in general or Fedora Core 5 followed > by a Q&A session. 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URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 14:31:11 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:01:11 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Slide Template In-Reply-To: <440FC5CA.9020200@projetofedora.org> References: <1141846358.4855.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <440FC26D.2000101@projetofedora.org> <440FC5CA.9020200@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <44118DAF.2010302@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > >>Hi!!! >> >>In attachment a fedora slide template, based in Fedora Core 5 graphics. >> >>I will use this TEMPLATE in the presentations in the FISL(International >>F?rum of Free Software in Brazil). >> >> >> Kindly upload this to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations. Thanks. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 14:34:34 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:04:34 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Open Text template In-Reply-To: <1141846358.4855.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> References: <1141846358.4855.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> Message-ID: <44118E7A.7010507@fedoraproject.org> Gerold Kassube wrote: >Hi, > >based on the graphics "some hours" ago which were send by David Barzilay >I created a small Impress template ... > >Feel free for use it if you want to ... > > > Lovely. Do upload to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 14:40:33 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:10:33 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Attachments to the list Message-ID: <44118FE1.4030102@fedoraproject.org> Hi Its great to see the flurry of new activity in the list and contributions but if you are collecting feedback or presenting any material to the list, dont send in attachments. It would be good to upload them in your personal space in any website or within the Fedora project wiki and then drop in a link to the list. Its a good idea not to fill in people's mail boxes with huge attachments and it would generally be better for quick feedback to send in links instead. Thanks. -- Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Fri Mar 10 14:47:09 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:47:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Attachments to the list In-Reply-To: <44118FE1.4030102@fedoraproject.org> References: <44118FE1.4030102@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Its great to see the flurry of new activity in the list and > contributions but if you are collecting feedback or presenting any > material to the list, dont send in attachments. It would be good to > upload them in your personal space in any website or within the Fedora > project wiki and then drop in a link to the list. Its a good idea not to > fill in people's mail boxes with huge attachments and it would generally > be better for quick feedback to send in links instead. Thanks. +1 to this. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 16:07:08 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:07:08 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 9, 2006, 22-23:30 UTC Message-ID: <7f617d270603100807n29af14bbu390c0966b0bad31e@mail.gmail.com> 17:00:15 -- Meeting start Present: lxmaier: AlexMaier GeroldKa: GeroldKassube tchung: ThomasChung ke4qqq: DavidNalley MrTom: ThomasCanniot [splinux]: DamienDurand FrancescoUgolini: FrancescoUgolini gregdek_home: GregDeKoenigsberg BobJensen: BobJensen puneet_batura: PuneetBatura fusion94: TonyGuntharp Regrets: greendesease: JackAboutboul Schedule posted on: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule item 1: Review upcoming events (90 days) 1.1 Mar 12, 2006 Local organisation, AREL France, Revin: Explanation of "what is a free software?" + Demo of FC5 with Kadischi + Flyers. This event is announced here on the agenda du libre website Owner: ThomasCanniot Status: Everything is ready from the event organizer MrTom: well i just learned about this event this week... but everything seems to be ok for the moment. i won't be able to take my computer and i will only be able to show fedora through livecd. i will use the flyer in french, for the media it's far too late. it will be a booth for a complete organisation, not only for fedora. the organisation will promote free software and i will promote fc among them MrTom: the local lug does not exist yet on this area in France, but people are working on it MrTom: AREL is an organisation that works for education and entertainment. they are organising the event on sunday, which will bring many organisation of the area MrTom: i'll take photos as in FOSDEM, as much as i can 1.2 Mar 13-16, 2006 Jornada de Divulgacion Bogota, Colombia - A whole day organized for an Recognized University in Colombia for conferences on subjects related to Open Source Software as well as telecommunications, medical artificial intelligence and computer science. It will have universities of the country and the world. http://www.sistemasunbosque.edu.co and http://www.equisl.org Owner: JoseTarazona Owner not present 1.3 Mar 18-19, 2006 Fedora Core Open Days: The first event of this kind in Poland. It will be a conference connected with users and sympathizers meeting, setting Fedora promotion as a main goal. Rybnik, Poland. Owner: MateuszHalaba, PawelSadowski If anyone is interested in participating, please contact one of the ambassadors involved. Official site: http://fcod.b7.pl pawel and mattheusz both not present 1.4 Mar 18-19, 2006 glugc FLOSS Meet 2006 GNU/Linux Users Group Calicut (glugc) (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glugc ) has been working inside the campus to promote FOSS. glugc successfully conducted FLOSS Meet 2005, a seminar on Free/Libre and Open Source Software. NIT Calicut is participating in FOSS Month 2006 (glugc FLOSS Meet 2006 will be a part of the FOSS Month celebrations). Owner: KushalDas Kushal will conduct the BoF kushal is not present 1.5 Mar 25, 2006 FLISOL 2006 (Brazil - DF) FLISOL stands as Latin-America's Free Software Installation Festival (http://test.installfest.info/FliSol), and aims to install as many systems with Linux and free software. Also, there is minu-courses and speakings. It happens in many cities and countries and happens in the same day. Owner: HugoCisneiros HugoCisneiros will present a talk about the Fedora Project and will distribute Fedora LiveCDs in Brasilia, DF (local page) Owner not present 1.6 Apr 3-6, 2006 LinuxWorld Boston 2006 Boston, MA, USA - LinuxWorld US: See LinuxWorld/LinuxWorldBoston2006. Owners: MatthewMiller, JackAboutboul Owners will contact JesseKeating or local PC vendor about hardware needed for the booth. Matthew will conatct JackAboutboul about registering for free booth. Apr 7, 2006 FUDCon Boston 2006 Boston, MA, USA - Sequel to the first FUDCon: See FUDCon/FUDConBoston2006 Owners: MatthewMiller, JackAboutboul We're still looking for speakers and papers. Help wanted. Greg and Alex will support wherever they can. In absense of owners, gregdek_home will give an update gregdek_home: We've got a full slate of speakers. Just need to update the page accordingly and start advertising. If Jack doesn't pick this up in the next day or two, I've got it. LWCE is all set too. tchung: I've been working with Jack on Wiki page so I'll contact him again for the Schedule 1.7 Apr 11, 2006 Local LUG - Campux France, Lille. Owner: ThomasCanniot Have to translate presentation, and don't think i need any schwag. 20-25 people will be attending. MrTom: ok, aurelien bompard send me his french presentation. i will certainly switch to the new template we had on the list. i don't think new fc5 media will be ready for this date, if they can, i may ask for some. however, it will be the same receipe, flyers, livecd ... :) if media are not available i'll burn some dvd myself 1.8 Apr 19-22, 2006 FISL 7.0 Porto Alegre, RS, Brazil - 7th International Free Software Forum: This is the biggest conference for IT Infrastructure and Developers in Brazil. See FISL for more description. Owner: RodrigoPadula See FISL for status. rodrigo isn't present and nobody from his region is 1.9 May 3-6, 2006 LinuxTag/FUDCon Wiesbaden 2006 Wiesbaden, Germany - LinuxTag Germany: See FUDCon/FUDConWiesbaden2006 Owners: GeroldKassube, FlorianBrand Help wanted and needed GeroldKa: we don't have the booth really approved by Linuxtag, and I'm not really sure; we should attend lxmaier: tchung: linuxtag is putting us under pressure to make sure red hat pays up. we are working to some funding from rhat. and also i have a contact to a large corporation, hope they will throw us a chunk of money too lxmaier: There is some good new though: I have a tentative okay for holding the FUDCon at the Heinrich Heine University of Duesseldorf--which leaves us with more options, shall LinuxTag decide to be uncooperative. GeroldKa: for me it's very difficult to have the contact to Linuxtag, because they don't know me and they want to see money from Red Hat. and I belive if they don't see money from Red Hat they'll say "you're not a free project." gregdek_home: We need to make a call. And it sounds like LinuxTag is going to be an Ubuntu love fest anyway. Would we rather try to put on a Fedora-only event? ke4qqq: typically in the US when con organizers behave badly like that forking the event normally takes care of things. gregdek_home: We should not have our event on the same date though. We don't want to make the community choose--but we do want our own event, our own way, and I don't think we should submit to being blackmailed. GeroldKa: debian is also not at Linuxtag, and opensuse will also not be registered till today. They have invited 50 open source projects, but not OpenSuse, Novell, Debian, Fedora, Red Hat 1.10 May 15-16, 2006 LinuxWorld Italy 2006 Milan, Italy - LinuxWorld Italy Owners: FrancescoUgolini, AndreaMaurizioGnerre Andrea has contacted the organization of the event. They moved to a sponsorized event format. I have prices for that if anybody is interested. FrancescoUgolini: i've talk with maurizio, i don't know some of specifics, i've only started to talk about the problem, but we are discussing about this event. i will tell about this event in the m-list in a few days lxmaier: we are finished with the events for the next 90 days item 2 Promotional material for Kadischi Owner: DavidNalley Time-critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5 Compilation of material like presentations, help and videos would be good ke4qqq: 2 videos are done....http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Videos and the balance should be up tonight. additional promotional materials for inclusion on the livecd will hopefully be up for review tonight/tomorrow morning item 3 A tour at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 Owners: RahulSundaram, FrancescoUgolini, and anyone interested Time critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5. FrancescoUgolini: i have post the banner in the m-list, i'm working on it. If is possible i would to know if it's the good way. I will publish my graphics on the wiki after i finsh to install the system update item 4 Video contest Owner: AlexMaier Shortly after FC5 release: Announce and conduct a short video contest. What we need to figure out: - Format (currently OGG, all agree?) - Max file size (currently 10M, all agree?) - Submission guidelines (AlexMaier needs to draft) - Prize (no idea, but needs to be spiffy and not too expensive) lxmaier: i have a half-finished draft i need to finish and submit to the list. A discussion about movie requirements was held--to be continued on the list item 5 Schwag pipeline and a Standard Ambassadors Survival Kit Owner: GregDeKoenigsberg End of March 2006: Need to make sure that the schwag pipeline is functional. This is separate from the actual stuff we send; this is just making sure that the stuff we send actually gets to the places it needs to go. We need a standard "kit" for all Ambassadors; DVDs, promotional materials, and schwag gregdek_home stepped out item 6 Standard design elements for all Fedora pages Owner: AlexMaier April 1, 2006: Need to create a set of design elements such as backgrounds, icons, CSS style sheets, etc for use across all Fedora-affilliated pages to improve the brand identity lxmaier: i have it all almost done. we will soon have photoshop files for a set of unified icons and buttons and backgrounds and such for use on all fedora pages. we will edit them and store on our site for download as pngs or so. we also plan to create a suggested css style sheet. BobJensen: what does this have to do with Ambassadors? lxmaier: it has to do with ambassadors who run fedora pages on their own, soon they will be able to make their pages look like fedora BobJensen: shouldn't such a project be addressed by the marketing list for input? lxmaier: okay, we'll move this to the list lxmaier: we have covered all topics for which the owners were present. the meeting is officially adjourned at 18:05:48 From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 16:25:11 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:55:11 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes March 9, 2006, 22-23:30 UTC In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603100807n29af14bbu390c0966b0bad31e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603100807n29af14bbu390c0966b0bad31e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142007911.3514.11.camel@linuxbox> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:07 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Lots of stuff about the meet that /me hasn't had time to read yet Thanks a lot for posting the summary so quickly :) Gja From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 18:58:55 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:58:55 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] irc support for upcoming fc5 release In-Reply-To: References: <1141956215.2999.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1142017135.3073.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I would gladly help, but as I said I don't have time unfortunately :| Maybe I'll have more time in the future, but I don't think it'll happen quickly. Cheers, Pawel Sadowski On 10-03-2006, fri at 10:31 +0100, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > well actually it already happens. we got a really good support crew in > my eyes in #fedora. good enough to make other distros developers stop > by and admire whats going on there. happened various times already. > its just that its relatively uncoordinated and that general guidelines > for the supporters are missing. > if you at any time are interested in the undertaking feel free to drop > me an email though. Help would be appreciated. > > regards, > Rudolf Kastl From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 20:29:49 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available Message-ID: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Thomash Chung and I have created and posted the initial draft in following wiki location for now: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest Please have a look and make suggestions for all open items--the target date for the launch is a week after FC5 launch. Thanks, Alex -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Fri Mar 10 20:33:39 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:33:39 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142022819.2682.65.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 15:29 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Hello all, > > Thomash Chung and I have created and posted the initial draft in > following wiki location for now: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest > > Please have a look and make suggestions for all open items--the target > date for the launch is a week after FC5 launch. > > Thanks, > Alex > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > I have to ask, wouldn't this be better suited for the Marketing list in general? I personally do not see what it has to do with the ambassadors project other than some ambassadors are involved. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 20:40:10 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <1142022819.2682.65.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <1142022819.2682.65.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603101240m51e49dcay1c2323d73eaa899a@mail.gmail.com> Ambassadors have proven to be the more committed folks who "get things done" while the Marketing list was mostly a place for fruitless discussion--at least during the months i have been member of that list. Hence my aversion to post there. Generally, as long as we launch the program on time, i could not care less on which list the discussion occured. On 3/10/06, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 15:29 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Thomash Chung and I have created and posted the initial draft in > > following wiki location for now: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest > > > > Please have a look and make suggestions for all open items--the target > > date for the launch is a week after FC5 launch. > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > -- > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > > > I have to ask, wouldn't this be better suited for the Marketing list in > general? I personally do not see what it has to do with the ambassadors > project other than some ambassadors are involved. > > -- > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > Fedora Marketing Projects > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEEeKi6KTDrkLrC8YRAlxNAJ9ehgNQhrajdAGC9Z99ZACeehLEZwCfWCxp > g1lEj4huzv9DOfZnYXOSAAg= > =WTW/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 20:40:46 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:10:46 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <1142022819.2682.65.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <1142022819.2682.65.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <4411E44E.6000209@fedoraproject.org> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: >On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 15:29 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > >>Hello all, >> >>Thomash Chung and I have created and posted the initial draft in >>following wiki location for now: >> >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest >> >>Please have a look and make suggestions for all open items--the target >>date for the launch is a week after FC5 launch. >> >>Thanks, >>Alex >>-- >>Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org >> >> >> > >I have to ask, wouldn't this be better suited for the Marketing list in >general? I personally do not see what it has to do with the ambassadors >project other than some ambassadors are involved. > Provides us a ability to get initial feedback before a more public announcement. Marketing does depend on a element of surprise. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 20:49:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:19:06 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <4411E642.30008@fedoraproject.org> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: >After 4 months in the ambassador project I have several questions and >also some opinions. I will answer my own questions so you know where I >am coming from. > >Why are we ambassadors? > >I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people >through Slides and structured content. > > That works fine. >Do small events count? > >I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general >ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our >leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones >that count. Everything else is just filler. > > Why do you feel so? We have been entertaining all sort of requests within the limitations of our funds. >Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > >I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE >Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list >for greater input. > > > Yes, definitely but remember that there are many projects such as GNOME, openoffice.org that have their own private marketing lists. It is required for various things were incrementally working on something with public feedback isnt that effective. A press release for example. >What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? > >They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how >small. > > We try to as a goal. We have to understand though that we wont be ever meeting it completely. >Where did the Ambassadors project come from? > >For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 >archives of the marketing list. > > To have a regional focus and participate in events. To shrink and focus on specific aspects of marketing rather than losing track and discussing random things. >What happened to the Marketing project? > >It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was >created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general >marketing project was allowed to die. > > Allowed to die is misleading. There is nothing stopping people from doing things that needs to be done out there. I still send feedback on reviews on the marketing list regularly. >Why is the Ambassadors list private? > >The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people >from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. > > To stage initial promotional activities and make a better splash when we accomplish things. >What can we do to make things better? > >I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force >of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, >part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting >Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway >"stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. > >I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk >about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. > > If we want to go ahead and continue marketing discussions on that list, I dont see any roadblocks on that. -- Rahul From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Fri Mar 10 22:15:19 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:15:19 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Marketing call to action. Message-ID: <1142028919.2682.88.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Hi All, Sorry I am cross posting this between the marketing list and ambassadors list. Please reply on the marketing list if you would. I am of the opinion that the marketing project has been allowed to die and be carelessly replaced by the Ambassadors project that was born from the marketing project. I see that we can do things several ways. We can continue on ignoring the Fedora community posting requests for input to the private ambassadors list that a small number will ever see or we can be sure to become active in the marketing list involving the community as a whole in how Fedora is marketed. Why have the private list? The privacy of the Ambassadors list has a purpose and should be maintained in my opinion. One of the things it was designed to do is help protect the limited advertising resources of the Foundation by preventing the pilfering of media and other goodies like t-shirts. However much of the "noise" on this list in the past could have been better with community input from the marketing list. What can the marketing list bring that the ambassadors can not? The marketing list can bring greater visibility from the community by being a public sounding board for ideas. Many of these ideas can be hashed out in public, refined in private and still have the "splash" that may be desired. I would urge all ambassadors to be part of the greater marketing list and also to avoid cross posting of information between the lists unless it is absolutely needed. Fedora is a community driven project, in fact community may very well be the most important part of Fedora. If the Ambassadors are to take over all the marketing in private we are in my opinion destined for failure. We will have removed the community from the drivers seat and made it a second class passenger. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david at gnsa.us Sat Mar 11 00:02:47 2006 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:02:47 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex Maier wrote: > Hello all, > > Thomash Chung and I have created and posted the initial draft in > following wiki location for now: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest > > Please have a look and make suggestions for all open items--the target > date for the launch is a week after FC5 launch. > > Thanks, > Alex > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > We spoke about this briefly at the last meeting. I really think that we ought to model our requirements more along the lines of mozillas video contest: "For initial consideration, you will need to upload a compressed, half- NTSC-resolution, full frame rate MPEG-4 video for entry into the contest. A QuickTime-compatible format for the Web version is preferred. Media uploaded should be less than 10 MB in size. When your entry is accepted, you will receive a confirmation email with instructions for mailing the full-size media to Mozilla." Thats very specific, as to resolution, frame rate, format. Now keep in mind, the 10MB upload limit is for 30 seconds. (the parameters for the mozilla contest. Having people keep the high res version on their own system and sending a smaller one to keep our storage needs down makes sense. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEEhOnkZOYj+cNI1cRAqs8AJ9tV5WN/83i/ItnkpZ7HhV0A1SYjgCcDdBA 6j0r6UTY5kvgJlomYlwrpj0= =rs15 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 11 00:14:21 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:14:21 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <20060311000920.M10281@fedoraproject.org> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:02:47 -0500, David Nalley wrote > I really think that we ought to model our requirements more along the > lines of mozillas video contest: > "For initial consideration, you will need to upload a compressed, half- > NTSC-resolution, full frame rate MPEG-4 video for entry into the > contest. A QuickTime-compatible format for the Web version is preferred. > Media uploaded should be less than 10 MB in size. When your entry is > accepted, you will receive a confirmation email with instructions for > mailing the full-size media to Mozilla." > > Thats very specific, as to resolution, frame rate, format. > Now keep in mind, the 10MB upload limit is for 30 seconds. (the > parameters for the mozilla contest. Having people keep the high res > version on their own system and sending a smaller one to keep our > storage needs down makes sense. So we are in agreement for 10MB or less. Are we agree on 5 mins or less? QuickTime format (mov) is acceptable but since we are in Open Source business we should say "OGG Theora video is preferred format" -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fusion94 at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 00:18:40 2006 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:18:40 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The question begs to be asked: What is the goal of the Fedora Video Contest? The Firefox Flicks contest has a well documented overview here: http://www.firefoxflicks.com/adcontest/brief.html There they outline several key points which in my opinion will help make the determination as to how the Fedora Video Contest should go. Project Description Project Summary Target Audience Objective Ad Perception/Tone/Guidelines Key Messages Thoughts? - -t On Mar 10, 2006, at 4:02 PM, David Nalley wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Alex Maier wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Thomash Chung and I have created and posted the initial draft in >> following wiki location for now: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest >> >> Please have a look and make suggestions for all open items--the >> target >> date for the launch is a week after FC5 launch. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex >> -- >> Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http:// >> fedoraproject.org >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > We spoke about this briefly at the last meeting. > > I really think that we ought to model our requirements more along the > lines of mozillas video contest: > "For initial consideration, you will need to upload a compressed, > half- > NTSC-resolution, full frame rate MPEG-4 video for entry into the > contest. A QuickTime-compatible format for the Web version is > preferred. > Media uploaded should be less than 10 MB in size. When your entry is > accepted, you will receive a confirmation email with instructions for > mailing the full-size media to Mozilla." > > Thats very specific, as to resolution, frame rate, format. > Now keep in mind, the 10MB upload limit is for 30 seconds. (the > parameters for the mozilla contest. Having people keep the high res > version on their own system and sending a smaller one to keep our > storage needs down makes sense. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEEhOnkZOYj+cNI1cRAqs8AJ9tV5WN/83i/ItnkpZ7HhV0A1SYjgCcDdBA > 6j0r6UTY5kvgJlomYlwrpj0= > =rs15 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEEhdh9/DfvOxTpeURArJLAJ90A18zfz53UxihqINUTflh72iK9ACeIlav v3poPOju3PSKUpRrZTMBSsA= =NDW+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 11 00:24:13 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:24:13 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060311002321.M79803@fedoraproject.org> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:18:40 -0800, Tony Guntharp wrote > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The question begs to be asked: > > What is the goal of the Fedora Video Contest? > > The Firefox Flicks contest has a well documented overview here: > http://www.firefoxflicks.com/adcontest/brief.html > > There they outline several key points which in my opinion will help > make the determination as to how the Fedora Video Contest should go. > > Project Description > Project Summary > Target Audience > Objective > Ad Perception/Tone/Guidelines > Key Messages > > Thoughts? > > - -t Yes, we need "the goal of the Fedora Video Contest" Anyone has a good suggestion? -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Mar 11 03:19:51 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:19:51 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <1141919927.16837.9.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <200603102119.53296.nman64@n-man.com> On Thursday 09 March 2006 10:12, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Everything is Open and i ask myself why i have to use a close OS such > as Windows, when in the world exist Open (Source) Operating System > and i've decided to extend this issue in a banner. Correctly you ask > me why i've decided to use Open instead of Free, my reply is simple: > many commercial (so close) software are freely, so i've thought that > we have to underline the Open side of Fedora, that is the gratest > thing of this project. > > This is my opinion. > > What do you think, then ? > > Thanks for your feedback. > I'm inclined to agree with Tejas on this one. I understand why you wish to use "open", but the usage is improper. I suppose you could consider it a quirk of English. A theme of "open for ", "open like ", or "open to " would be correct usage. Try building larger sentences with your lines. This will give you a better feel for the usage. For example, try to finish these and make them sound right: "Love is open to ___" "___'s change is open" Where these are obvious: "Fedora is open to change" "Fedora is open for the world" "Fedora is open like the universe" If you go with "free", you get these: "Love is free for everyone" "Your life is free" I can't tell you what the right way is in this case, but I can tell you that the current phrases don't feel right to me. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will answer my own questions so you know where I > >am coming from. > > > >Why are we ambassadors? > > > >I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people > >through Slides and structured content. > > > > > That works fine. > > >Do small events count? > > > >I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general > >ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our > >leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > >that count. Everything else is just filler. > > > > > Why do you feel so? We have been entertaining all sort of requests > within the limitations of our funds. > > >Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > > >I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > >Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > >for greater input. > > > > > > > Yes, definitely but remember that there are many projects such as GNOME, > openoffice.org that have their own private marketing lists. It is > required for various things were incrementally working on something with > public feedback isnt that effective. A press release for example. > > >What should the ambassadors project and list focus on? > > > >They should focus on supporting Ambassadors and events no matter how > >small. > > > > > We try to as a goal. We have to understand though that we wont be ever > meeting it completely. > > >Where did the Ambassadors project come from? > > > >For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 > >archives of the marketing list. > > > > > To have a regional focus and participate in events. To shrink and focus > on specific aspects of marketing rather than losing track and discussing > random things. > > >What happened to the Marketing project? > > > >It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > >created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > >marketing project was allowed to die. > > > > > Allowed to die is misleading. There is nothing stopping people from > doing things that needs to be done out there. I still send feedback on > reviews on the marketing list regularly. > > >Why is the Ambassadors list private? > > > >The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people > >from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. > > > > > To stage initial promotional activities and make a better splash when we > accomplish things. > > >What can we do to make things better? > > > >I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > >of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > >part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > >Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > >"stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. > > > >I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk > >about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. > > > > > If we want to go ahead and continue marketing discussions on that list, > I dont see any roadblocks on that. > > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:03 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:39:03 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Getting Fedora ISO images before release Message-ID: <1142073543.3016.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I have a question in connection with upcoming Fedora Core Open Days. It'll be unpossible to send us Fedora DVDs with the new FC5. Hence my question: will it possible to download Fedora Core 5 before the official release, I mean 16-17 march. We would burn it on our owns and could hand out during FCOD. Maybe it could be possible to give us acccess to some server which we could download the new Fedora from? Regards, Pawel Sadowski From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 11 10:31:58 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:31:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <20060311002321.M79803@fedoraproject.org> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> <20060311002321.M79803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1142073118.3016.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On 10-03-2006, fri at 16:24 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > Yes, we need "the goal of the Fedora Video Contest" > > Anyone has a good suggestion? Hmm, I don't know whether it's a good sugestion, but maybe we should put there funny videos, e.g. from events. I think the video in the style of your photo titled "Fedora meets Debian" would be good :) But I'm really not sure if it's the good idea. 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In-Reply-To: <1142028919.2682.88.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1142028919.2682.88.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <73396bd30603110257v6e6201l243d402dacb566d4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for your opinions Robert, but in my opinion Marketing List and Ambassadors list should go side-by-side having inter-list interaction, so that the community could get ideas from the public, refine them in private list (Ambassadors List) and create a common marketing plan. I don't think that ambassadors need to join greater marketing list. And ambassadors do not take all decisions in private, all the policies and strategies are made keeping the public in view. May be someone from the SC will talk to you in detail. Regards, Abhishek Singh On 3/11/06, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > Hi All, > > Sorry I am cross posting this between the marketing list and ambassadors > list. Please reply on the marketing list if you would. > > I am of the opinion that the marketing project has been allowed to die > and be carelessly replaced by the Ambassadors project that was born from > the marketing project. > > I see that we can do things several ways. We can continue on ignoring > the Fedora community posting requests for input to the private > ambassadors list that a small number will ever see or we can be sure to > become active in the marketing list involving the community as a whole > in how Fedora is marketed. > > Why have the private list? > > The privacy of the Ambassadors list has a purpose and should be > maintained in my opinion. One of the things it was designed to do is > help protect the limited advertising resources of the Foundation by > preventing the pilfering of media and other goodies like t-shirts. > However much of the "noise" on this list in the past could have been > better with community input from the marketing list. > > What can the marketing list bring that the ambassadors can not? > > The marketing list can bring greater visibility from the community by > being a public sounding board for ideas. Many of these ideas can be > hashed out in public, refined in private and still have the "splash" > that may be desired. I would urge all ambassadors to be part of the > greater marketing list and also to avoid cross posting of information > between the lists unless it is absolutely needed. > > Fedora is a community driven project, in fact community may very well be > the most important part of Fedora. If the Ambassadors are to take over > all the marketing in private we are in my opinion destined for failure. > We will have removed the community from the drivers seat and made it a > second class passenger. > > -- > Robert 'Bob' Jensen < marketing-list at fedoralinks.org> > Fedora Marketing Projects > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEEfp26KTDrkLrC8YRAgaSAJ971oH6OFC04M4Ny7exmjjCj4UWeACdGe7J > fC2astFOG6SfVHw0LgmNAYs= > =ktSs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The link is http://opensour.freespaces.com/fedora/index.html > We can change the lines and even the whole template, just provide me u r > views about it. > > Thanks! > > -- > Regards, > > > Puneet Batura > Open Source Developer > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Each video should be free to promote either the entire system or a precise component/feature of Fedora. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sat Mar 11 15:25:19 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:25:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A new version of beta1 (codename beta4) In-Reply-To: <200603102119.53296.nman64@n-man.com> References: <57DEB230-307F-4D23-B711-D7C6FE175252@fedora.redhat.com> <1141919927.16837.9.camel@linuxbox> <200603102119.53296.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <22E99DF6-F918-4C59-8BC4-66E05642454B@fedora.redhat.com> Open = OpenSource The problem is that we have to underline that everithing is open. Fedora is not the center of the live but a part of the life such as music, universe etc... I think, but this is my opinion, that people need to know that fedora is the right system for their live. If do you think that is better i can put only the neme in the backgorund such as music universe etc..., and at the venter fedora is Open. This is my opinion, tell me more. Thanks very much Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 11/mar/06, alle ore 04:19, Patrick Barnes ha scritto: > On Thursday 09 March 2006 10:12, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> Everything is Open and i ask myself why i have to use a close OS such >> as Windows, when in the world exist Open (Source) Operating System >> and i've decided to extend this issue in a banner. Correctly you ask >> me why i've decided to use Open instead of Free, my reply is simple: >> many commercial (so close) software are freely, so i've thought that >> we have to underline the Open side of Fedora, that is the gratest >> thing of this project. >> >> This is my opinion. >> >> What do you think, then ? >> >> Thanks for your feedback. >> > > I'm inclined to agree with Tejas on this one. I understand why you > wish to > use "open", but the usage is improper. I suppose you could > consider it a > quirk of English. A theme of "open for ", "open like > ", or "open > to " would be correct usage. Try building larger sentences > with your > lines. This will give you a better feel for the usage. > > For example, try to finish these and make them sound right: > > "Love is open to ___" > "___'s change is open" > > Where these are obvious: > > "Fedora is open to change" > "Fedora is open for the world" > "Fedora is open like the universe" > > If you go with "free", you get these: > > "Love is free for everyone" > "Your life is free" > > I can't tell you what the right way is in this case, but I can tell > you that > the current phrases don't feel right to me. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sat Mar 11 15:49:29 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:49:29 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Banner Wiki page Message-ID: <0B4697BB-67F8-4F7B-9C2C-6BE5A110F012@fedora.redhat.com> I've made the wiki page, aviable here: fedoraproject.org/wiki/banner . Best regards Francesco Ugolini From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Mar 11 16:15:53 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:15:53 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Getting Fedora ISO images before release In-Reply-To: <1142073543.3016.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142073543.3016.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200603111015.56150.nman64@n-man.com> On Saturday 11 March 2006 04:39, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question in connection with upcoming Fedora Core Open Days. > It'll be unpossible to send us Fedora DVDs with the new FC5. Hence my > question: will it possible to download Fedora Core 5 before the official > release, I mean 16-17 march. We would burn it on our owns and could hand > out during FCOD. Maybe it could be possible to give us acccess to some > server which we could download the new Fedora from? > > Regards, > Pawel Sadowski > Unfortunately, I don't know if this will be possible. I'll pass along your request to see what we might be able to do. If we can't get you access, you may want to produce brochures to tell people about the new release and how they can get it for themselves. You could offer Fedora Core 4 and demonstrate Fedora Core 5 test 3 at the event. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Il giorno 11/mar/06, alle ore 17:27, Patrick Barnes ha scritto: > On Saturday 11 March 2006 09:49, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I've made the wiki page, aviable here: fedoraproject.org/wiki/ >> banner . > > I've moved this to a more consistent location: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners > > Other banners can be added here, too. ;-) > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Mar 11 16:01:58 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:01:58 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: <1141963951.30956.24.camel@linuxbox> References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <1141963951.30956.24.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <200603111002.01137.nman64@n-man.com> On Thursday 09 March 2006 22:12, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 21:27 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > Why are we ambassadors? > > > > I am an ambassador so I can better present Fedora to groups of people > > through Slides and structured content. > > Only partly for me. Everyone would provide a slightly different reason for helping. We need everyone contributing in a way that takes advantage of their strengths. As long as their goals are in line with the goals of the project, the diversity only helps to form a healthy program. > > Structured content are good to some extent. We mustn't forget bofs, > install fest, and general cheer leading. Yes! The lack of attention to these things is something we need to work on. > > > Do small events count? > > > > I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general > > ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our > > leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones > > that count. Everything else is just filler. > > This is the exact opposite in my eyes. > > I was at both foss.in and LinuxAsia. (4k people at the first, IIRC) > > Which were major events, and I was at the booth at FOSS.in for all 4 > days. > > Both were major FOSS events, and, everyone already > knew what Fedora was. In fact, trying to promote fedora at any foss > event (to me) appears redundant. > > Yes, it is important that people know the latest and best of what going > around the fedora world, but more important than that is to get people > who use entirely proprietary software in to fedora. > > And you don't see such people at large events. > > These people usually loaf around college tech-fests... in fact, I've > pulled random people off my college corridors and given them a lecture > on free software, and lent them MY FC4 CDs. This is exactly the sort of thing we need to encourage and support. Clearly, we aren't doing enough to put the focus on these smaller efforts. Many people in the Ambassadors program are content to ignore these ideas, waiting for large events where they can request merchandise and participate with hundreds or thousands of others. It is these little thing that should be our focus, with the larger events just being a way to support our established community. > > > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > > for greater input. > > po-tay-to, po-taaa-to. > > How difficult is it, really, to get on the ambassadors list? > > We set some bare minimum, but actually the only thing you need to get > onto this list is a valid name, and email. > > Anyone who wants to get on the ambassadors list needs only to prove that > he has some interest in spreading the freedom, which he will have by > definition if he plans on contributing on the Marketing List. The only > exception being the media, but we can ping the marketing list every time > we reach a benchmark. > > Unfortunately, that's not the case. We have a strict set of requirements to have each person become an Ambassador and prove themselves before they may join the Ambassadors list. The Marketing list is open this way, but this list is rather exclusive. We don't *want* everyone to be part of this list. That's why we need to do a better job of sorting out which mail should go to which list. > > What happened to the Marketing project? > > > > It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > > created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > > marketing project was allowed to die. > > Well, in my opinion, the Marketing list is deprecated. > > The ambassadors list gives structure to what the marketing list does. > > And further more, the Ambassadors project gives everyone a chance to > participate as a PEER in the project. > > IMO, the marketing project just lacked that, plus the term is rather > derogatory for those of us who want to be hackers. Neither of these lists is targeted at "hackers". They do have very different purposes, and the Marketing list should NOT be deprecated in any sense. It was horrible leadership that allowed the Marketing list to die and be replaced by this list, which does not serve the same purpose. Both should be kept alive to serve their separate and important duties. > > > What can we do to make things better? > > > > I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > > of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > > part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > > Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > > "stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. > > Hmmm, I disagree... > > Ambassadors should be the front end. Yes, I think marketing shouldn't > die. But I'd really appreciate a specific answer to this question: > > `What can Marketing do better than the Ambassadors?`. > > better = [faster, more efficient, reach more people]. This is a matter of the scope of the Ambassadors program. Ambassadors are NOT intended to develop our Marketing strategy or plan our initiatives. They are NOT meant to produce the Marketing materials. They are meant only to be a voice and point of contact. They are very, very important as that voice and are our "front" at the local level. The Marketing program is meant to provide our global voice and to develop our marketing that is to be used by the Ambassadors and our other projects and venues to deliver Fedora's ideas. > > > I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk > > about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. > > I have given flame bait. > > Flame away. If we start to flame war, are we really doing our jobs? We don't need a battle, we need cooperation to assure that we are doing The Right Thing. I think the Ambassadors team is a strong team (dare I say "of friends") that has an opportunity to make a difference. In order to do that, we must make sure we keep focus and hold on to our goals. We need to make sure that each of Ambassadors and Marketing are doing things in a way that best serves the Fedora Project and our community. Ambassadors and Marketing have slightly different goals, and allowing them to become polluted only hurts their shared goals. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Smaller ones (half day/3 hours) allow us to > spread love evenly and sure they do count. This is why we must take advantage of the larger events. They can be a valuable way to create a drive behind our smaller events. Our smaller events are where we can really win new users and contributors. > > > Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > > > I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > > Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > > for greater input. > > Taking a leaf from OpenOffice.org - the MarCons (Marketing Contacts) > *are* regional Ambassadors (though never explicitly stated) and > participate in somewhat extent in strategy sessions and directions. > Ambassadors should be part of Marketing List but not vice-versa. The > Ambassador role is a smaller focussed subset of the Marketing Role. Exactly! The "MarCons" were something we looked at closely while developing the Ambassadors program. The Ambassadors should participate in our marketing development, but that is not their purpose, and should not be a primary focus. That part should be taken care of by our Marketing project. The goals of each are close, but different. The Marketing project should be revived to fulfill its purposes, allowing Ambassadors to focus on the stated goals of this project. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A very poor job has been done of giving attention to these events. It isn't just about sending merchandise. That's really a tertiary goal at best. First and foremost, we must make sure that people have the information and promotional materials to effectively spread Fedora at these smaller events. We must listen to feedback and suggestions that come out of these events. We must stand behind those who go to these events, and let them know that they are every bit as important as those who go to the larger events. We can't achieve our goals without these small events. Evidence of our failures in this regard can be seen in our callus approach to people who haven't attended large events or are unable to do so. We have had people entirely brushed aside and treated as though they were unable to contribute in a useful way. People have left the program over it. They aren't getting the attention and help they need and deserve. It isn't about hand-holding. We can orchestrate our efforts to better support the smaller events and independent efforts that really form the foundation of what we do. It wasn't large events that got us to where we are today. > > >Should ambassadors be members of the marketing list? > > > >I think they should. Many ideas that have been posted to the PRIVATE > >Ambassadors list should have been posted to the PUBLIC Marketing list > >for greater input. > > Yes, definitely but remember that there are many projects such as GNOME, > openoffice.org that have their own private marketing lists. It is > required for various things were incrementally working on something with > public feedback isnt that effective. A press release for example. This list isn't supposed to serve such purposes. The Ambassadors are meant only to take our global voice to a local level. Press releases, for example, are NOT the business of the Ambassadors. That is something that can be handled elsewhere. Everything we do is intended to be transparent, and that includes all of our drafting, so gathering feedback about press release drafts is something we can do on the Marketing list. These sorts of things also require cooperating with the Documentation project and other key contributors, such as the release engineers and key developers. The Ambassadors list should NOT be thought of as a private Marketing list. That isn't what it's for. Anything we discuss here can and should be public knowledge. I think we should open the archives and create a mirroring, read-only form of the list for the rest of the community. It's time to stop using the Ambassadors list as a staging list. This is a forum to further the goals of the Ambassadors, not to test out our Marketing programs. I don't object to pointing out new efforts to Ambassadors through the list, as they should know about and provide feedback on our new ideas. This is why I agree that Ambassadors should be on the Marketing list. > >Where did the Ambassadors project come from? > > > >For more information on this you will have to look at the Oct 2005 > >archives of the marketing list. > > To have a regional focus and participate in events. To shrink and focus > on specific aspects of marketing rather than losing track and discussing > random things. You got the first sentence right. We aren't about focusing on aspects of Marketing. We're about providing local attention, by both providing information and gathering feedback. Ambassadors are meant to take our marketing to the public at a personal level, not develop our marketing. > > >What happened to the Marketing project? > > > >It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was > >created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general > >marketing project was allowed to die. > > Allowed to die is misleading. There is nothing stopping people from > doing things that needs to be done out there. I still send feedback on > reviews on the marketing list regularly. "Allowed to die" is a perfect description of what happened. After the Ambassadors program was formed, traffic on the Marketing list dropped off dramatically, all focus was placed on Ambassadors, the original focus of Marketing was lost, marketing initiatives started appearing among the Ambassadors instead of in the Marketing project where they should have been, and everything within the Marketing program began to rot. > > >Why is the Ambassadors list private? > > > >The Ambassadors list was made private as I remember to prevent people > >from signing up just to get free stuff and promo items. > > To stage initial promotional activities and make a better splash when we > accomplish things. Wrong. The Ambassadors program isn't for staging anything. See above. The list was made private to prevent pollution of the list by non-Ambassadors. It was intended to allow us to keep focus on our goals and initiatives. While we have succeeded in limiting the list to Ambassadors, the list has still become polluted with wrong ideas. We need to clean up. > > >What can we do to make things better? > > > >I think we need to re-ignite the Marketing project as the driving force > >of Fedora Marketing. Bring Marketing Tasks back in to the Public view, > >part of this will be to Focus the Ambassadors project on supporting > >Ambassadors in getting to events and related items including giveaway > >"stuff" and keep Marketing in the marketing list. > > > >I am sure more will come from me later, this will be plenty to talk > >about for now. If anyone has the guts to that is. > > If we want to go ahead and continue marketing discussions on that list, > I dont see any roadblocks on that. Marketing work needs to return to the Marketing program. Let the Ambassadors focus on the program's true purpose. We can get things done in a much better way if we get thing working the way they were intended to work in the beginning. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Sat Mar 11 16:54:37 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:54:37 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in Numbers Message-ID: <441300CD.4020705@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have some questions.... - - How many packages? - --> - - How many using? - --> - - How many desenvolvedores? - --> - - How many translating? - --> - - Other collaborators? - --> - - How many packages we have in the Fedora Core? - --> - - How many packages in the Extras ? - --> - - Which countries use the Fedora ? - --> - - Great companies who use the Fedora ? - --> - - How many ambassadors in the world ? - --> - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEEwDNPg3HAC1vlg4RAtj6AJ0XJKpETn9GHxn84xJbs/NroxCroACgxYtS IObS6GTyqNXGqu05pLz4E8o= =LtFC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 11 21:27:04 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:27:04 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <1142077976.4379.31.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> <20060311002321.M79803@fedoraproject.org> <1142077976.4379.31.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <20060311212458.M10500@fedoraproject.org> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:52:56 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote > The vidoe contest should promote Fedora. Each video should be free to > promote either the entire system or a precise component/feature of > Fedora. > > Thomas Canniot That's good enough for me. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 11 21:41:14 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... Message-ID: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> >How difficult is it, really, to get on the ambassadors list? > >We set some bare minimum, but actually the only thing you need to get >onto this list is a valid name, and email. Wrong. I was initially refused entry to this list by Alex. Why? Because I didn't have my name on the list on the wiki. (Well, I did. But that's beside the point). How do I get my name on that list? I need EditGroup access on the wiki. How do I do that? I need to create an account on the account system, and sign the agreement. How do I do that? With a lot of pain, and playing with my GPG key. It is *NOT* easy to get to this list. (Note: Alex also removed me from this list after I left the Ambassadors. Refusing me comment on the future of Ambassadors, which I obviously am worried about). Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 23:25:06 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603111525p18437a85n495ee2164165af7b@mail.gmail.com> One more thing--I kind of forgot to say that I am of course glad that Clair decided to rejoin the group and to help us figure out the difficulties we are having. Nobody is perfect, and all of us can and need to help make the Ambassadors project better and easier to participate in. Alex On 3/11/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Clair, > > I agree with you that the CLA signung process is a pain, but it was > not imposed by this group, and ALL Fedora projects need to abide by > it. > > However, I am having difficulty understanding your position towards > this project. The only communication I have received from you was your > announcement that you want to leave the program and that you chose not > to share the reasons with the list. > > If it was a "cry for help"--sorry I missed it. > > My interpretation of that email was very straightforward--Clair wants > to leave, I remove Clair's account and say whenever she wants to > return she is welcome to. > > During the time you were member of the group Clair, I did not see you > even try to participate in any discussions on the list or on IRC, and > I have not seen you contribute to UK events, or request our support > for any of your activities there. And so I don't see how we failed > you. > > The Ambassadors project is based on self-driven individuals going out > and talking about Fedora to other people. Famsco can *support* them > and provide them with feedback, but can hardly take each of the > volunteers by the hand and lead them along. With the amount of > resources we got (almost non-existent) this model will not scale, > however much I regret it. > > Our goal as leaders of the Ambassadors project should be to empower > the Ambassadors to do great stuff out there, but it will have to > remain the individual Ambassadors' responsibility to come up with the > ideas and the drive to implement them. > > Cheers, > Alex > > On 3/11/06, Clair wrote: > > >How difficult is it, really, to get on the ambassadors list? > > > > > >We set some bare minimum, but actually the only thing you need to get > > >onto this list is a valid name, and email. > > > > Wrong. > > > > I was initially refused entry to this list by Alex. > > > > Why? > > > > Because I didn't have my name on the list on the wiki. (Well, I did. But > > that's beside the point). > > > > How do I get my name on that list? > > > > I need EditGroup access on the wiki. > > > > How do I do that? > > > > I need to create an account on the account system, and sign the agreement. > > > > How do I do that? > > > > With a lot of pain, and playing with my GPG key. > > > > It is *NOT* easy to get to this list. > > > > (Note: Alex also removed me from this list after I left the Ambassadors. > > Refusing me comment on the future of Ambassadors, which I obviously am > > worried about). > > > > > > Clair > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 23:11:56 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> Clair, I agree with you that the CLA signung process is a pain, but it was not imposed by this group, and ALL Fedora projects need to abide by it. However, I am having difficulty understanding your position towards this project. The only communication I have received from you was your announcement that you want to leave the program and that you chose not to share the reasons with the list. If it was a "cry for help"--sorry I missed it. My interpretation of that email was very straightforward--Clair wants to leave, I remove Clair's account and say whenever she wants to return she is welcome to. During the time you were member of the group Clair, I did not see you even try to participate in any discussions on the list or on IRC, and I have not seen you contribute to UK events, or request our support for any of your activities there. And so I don't see how we failed you. The Ambassadors project is based on self-driven individuals going out and talking about Fedora to other people. Famsco can *support* them and provide them with feedback, but can hardly take each of the volunteers by the hand and lead them along. With the amount of resources we got (almost non-existent) this model will not scale, however much I regret it. Our goal as leaders of the Ambassadors project should be to empower the Ambassadors to do great stuff out there, but it will have to remain the individual Ambassadors' responsibility to come up with the ideas and the drive to implement them. Cheers, Alex On 3/11/06, Clair wrote: > >How difficult is it, really, to get on the ambassadors list? > > > >We set some bare minimum, but actually the only thing you need to get > >onto this list is a valid name, and email. > > Wrong. > > I was initially refused entry to this list by Alex. > > Why? > > Because I didn't have my name on the list on the wiki. (Well, I did. But > that's beside the point). > > How do I get my name on that list? > > I need EditGroup access on the wiki. > > How do I do that? > > I need to create an account on the account system, and sign the agreement. > > How do I do that? > > With a lot of pain, and playing with my GPG key. > > It is *NOT* easy to get to this list. > > (Note: Alex also removed me from this list after I left the Ambassadors. > Refusing me comment on the future of Ambassadors, which I obviously am > worried about). > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 11 23:43:42 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:43:42 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603112343.42425.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Saturday 11 March 2006 23:11, you wrote: > Clair, > > I agree with you that the CLA signung process is a pain, but it was > not imposed by this group, and ALL Fedora projects need to abide by > it. The CLA process *is* imposed by the group. > However, I am having difficulty understanding your position towards > this project. The only communication I have received from you was your > announcement that you want to leave the program and that you chose not > to share the reasons with the list. I said I wasn't willing to post them on the list. Do you know the reasons? I have spoken to many people since giving them. Many people emailed me privately, and some spoke to me on irc. > My interpretation of that email was very straightforward--Clair wants > to leave, I remove Clair's account and say whenever she wants to > return she is welcome to. That doesn't mean that I should be stopped from helping bring the Ambassadors project back on track. > During the time you were member of the group Clair, I did not see you > even try to participate in any discussions on the list or on IRC, and > I have not seen you contribute to UK events, or request our support > for any of your activities there. And so I don't see how we failed > you. Well, the reason you haven't seen me post on irc is because you are rarely on irc. (You haven't even subscribed to services). Why did I not contribute to UK events? Because I wasn't given the support. I enquired about talking to my LUG, but was told there was nothing you can do to help me. I cannot make it to big events. Why should I have to? > The Ambassadors project is based on self-driven individuals going out > and talking about Fedora to other people. Famsco can *support* them > and provide them with feedback, but can hardly take each of the > volunteers by the hand and lead them along. With the amount of > resources we got (almost non-existent) this model will not scale, > however much I regret it. You don't need resources. Not everything is about giving away free DVDs or free t-shirts. This is where you lost your sight on the project. It's not about big events and free stuff. It's about telling people who ask about Fedora, about answering their questions, it's about saying why they should (if at all) switch to Fedora from another distro. If we work on people on at a time, it will be more effective than going to huge events. > Our goal as leaders of the Ambassadors project should be to empower > the Ambassadors to do great stuff out there, but it will have to > remain the individual Ambassadors' responsibility to come up with the > ideas and the drive to implement them. But are you really managing that? As a side note, I have not rejoined the project, I have merely rejoined the mailing list so that I can help steer the project the way it should be; to say what I think is wrong. From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 11 23:50:48 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:50:48 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603111525p18437a85n495ee2164165af7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603111525p18437a85n495ee2164165af7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060311234432.M98860@fedoraproject.org> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:25:06 -0500, Alex Maier wrote > One more thing--I kind of forgot to say that I am of course glad that > Clair decided to rejoin the group and to help us figure out the > difficulties we are having. > > Nobody is perfect, and all of us can and need to help make the > Ambassadors project better and easier to participate in. > > Alex It seems a little misunderstanding causes this issue. I agree the whole process is a little confusing and that's why I *stepped up* to help and guide you through the entire process to becoming a Fedora Ambassador. I guess you could call it "member service" and I'm more than happy to help and resolve any issues with Fedora Ambassador membership. Please feel free to contact or refer to me if you know anyone is interested in becoming Fedora Ambassador. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 12 08:37:04 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:07:04 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora web template In-Reply-To: <73396bd30603110301w119f7681l543b3ef2be183d3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <73396bd30603110301w119f7681l543b3ef2be183d3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Abhishek,in contnuation of the designs i have created four more templates. And yes about the colour and images-surely we will work out on that, thanks for u r feedback. The templates can be accessed at: http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template2/index.html http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template3/index.html http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template4/index.html http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template5/index.html Cheers! On 3/11/06, Abhishek Singh wrote: > > Dear Puneet, > Thanks for the template. The slogans (or quotes) used inside the flash > animation are well enough. But we need to rethink about the colours and > images used. > Good going! > > Regards > Abhishek Singh > > On 3/11/06, puneet batura wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have created a simple web template for fedora promotional campaign. As > > per our previous discussions i have uploaded the document on a web server > > rather than attaching it :) . The link is http://opensour.freespaces.com/fedora/index.html > > We can change the lines and even the whole template, just provide me u r > > views about it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > > > Puneet Batura > > Open Source Developer > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 12 08:51:49 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:21:49 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassador's Purpose In-Reply-To: <200603110944.10899.nman64@n-man.com> References: <1141961272.2682.44.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <4411E642.30008@fedoraproject.org> <200603110944.10899.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <4413E125.6000002@fedoraproject.org> Patrick Barnes wrote: >On Friday 10 March 2006 14:49, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>>Do small events count? >>> >>>I do not think our current format lends itself to discussing general >>>ideas of bringing Fedora to the masses. I get the feeling that our >>>leadership is of the opinion that large high profile events are the ones >>>that count. Everything else is just filler. >>> >>> >>Why do you feel so? We have been entertaining all sort of requests >>within the limitations of our funds. >> >> > >A very poor job has been done of giving attention to these events. It isn't >just about sending merchandise. That's really a tertiary goal at best. >First and foremost, we must make sure that people have the information and >promotional materials to effectively spread Fedora at these smaller events. >We must listen to feedback and suggestions that come out of these events. We >must stand behind those who go to these events, and let them know that they >are every bit as important as those who go to the larger events. We can't >achieve our goals without these small events. > > Lets me put it this way. There is a lot of focus on the smaller events too happening off list on many occasions because people have been contacting me in private. If there was concerns about this, it should have raised long back. >This list isn't supposed to serve such purposes. The Ambassadors are meant >only to take our global voice to a local level. Press releases, for example, >are NOT the business of the Ambassadors. > Why not? Aren't anyone here interested in giving us feedback on these? > >You got the first sentence right. We aren't about focusing on aspects of >Marketing. We're about providing local attention, by both providing >information and gathering feedback. Ambassadors are meant to take our >marketing to the public at a personal level, not develop our marketing. > > > >>>What happened to the Marketing project? >>> >>>It would seem that leadership lost focus, the Ambassadors project was >>>created from this lack of focus as a subproject and the general >>>marketing project was allowed to die. >>> >>> >>Allowed to die is misleading. There is nothing stopping people from >>doing things that needs to be done out there. I still send feedback on >>reviews on the marketing list regularly. >> >> > >"Allowed to die" is a perfect description of what happened. After the >Ambassadors program was formed, traffic on the Marketing list dropped off >dramatically, all focus was placed on Ambassadors, the original focus of >Marketing was lost, marketing initiatives started appearing among the >Ambassadors instead of in the Marketing project where they should have been, >and everything within the Marketing program began to rot. > > I have been posting the same things I post to the marketing list regularly in the same fashion that I used to do before the ambassadors list. So I dont agree with that analysis. How many people here posted to the marketing list on any attempts to revive the focus if you felt it was lacking? -- Rahul From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 12 14:31:01 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:31:01 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora web template In-Reply-To: References: <73396bd30603110301w119f7681l543b3ef2be183d3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603121431.02388.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 12 March 2006 08:37, puneet batura wrote: > Thanks Abhishek,in contnuation of the designs i have created four more > templates. And yes about the colour and images-surely we will work out on > that, thanks for u r feedback. > The templates can be accessed at: > http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template2/index.html > http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template3/index.html > http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template4/index.html > http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template5/index.html Shouldn't this be taken to the web list? Also, this uses flash. It's kinda bad for a fedora site to not work out of the box in fedora. Clair From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 12 14:36:10 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:06:10 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora web template In-Reply-To: <200603121431.02388.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <73396bd30603110301w119f7681l543b3ef2be183d3e@mail.gmail.com> <200603121431.02388.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <441431DA.4050509@fedoraproject.org> Clair wrote: >On Sunday 12 March 2006 08:37, puneet batura wrote: > > >>Thanks Abhishek,in contnuation of the designs i have created four more >>templates. And yes about the colour and images-surely we will work out on >>that, thanks for u r feedback. >>The templates can be accessed at: >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template2/index.html >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template3/index.html >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template4/index.html >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template5/index.html >> >> > >Shouldn't this be taken to the web list? > >Also, this uses flash. It's kinda bad for a fedora site to not work out of the >box in fedora. > > > Yes. Flash is unacceptable to Fedora as the sole format. It can be provided as *alternative* format if the media is provided in a format that is also viewable in Fedora by default which would automatically imply that it should be a open and free format. Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting on more details about producing a format that is supported by default in Fedora. Yours is is nevertheless a nice design and piece of work and I appreciate the effort put into this. Thanks. -- Rahul From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 12 15:15:33 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:45:33 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora web template In-Reply-To: <441431DA.4050509@fedoraproject.org> References: <73396bd30603110301w119f7681l543b3ef2be183d3e@mail.gmail.com> <200603121431.02388.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441431DA.4050509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Thank you all for your feedback i will surely look for other open source alternatives for creating such kind of animation. Cheers! On 3/12/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Clair wrote: > > >On Sunday 12 March 2006 08:37, puneet batura wrote: > > > > > >>Thanks Abhishek,in contnuation of the designs i have created four more > >>templates. And yes about the colour and images-surely we will work out > on > >>that, thanks for u r feedback. > >>The templates can be accessed at: > >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template2/index.html > >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template3/index.html > >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template4/index.html > >>http://www.freespaces.com/opensour/fedora/template5/index.html > >> > >> > > > >Shouldn't this be taken to the web list? > > > >Also, this uses flash. It's kinda bad for a fedora site to not work out > of the > >box in fedora. > > > > > > > Yes. Flash is unacceptable to Fedora as the sole format. It can be > provided as *alternative* format if the media is provided in a format > that is also viewable in Fedora by default which would automatically > imply that it should be a open and free format. > > Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting on more details > about producing a format that is supported by default in Fedora. > > Yours is is nevertheless a nice design and piece of work and I > appreciate the effort put into this. Thanks. > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It can be > provided as *alternative* format if the media is provided in a format > that is also viewable in Fedora by default which would automatically > imply that it should be a open and free format. > > Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting on more details > about producing a format that is supported by default in Fedora. > > Yours is is nevertheless a nice design and piece of work and I > appreciate the effort put into this. Thanks. These pages are solely in flash... there is no alternative. Clair From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 12 15:32:52 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:02:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora web template In-Reply-To: <200603121443.14045.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603121431.02388.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441431DA.4050509@fedoraproject.org> <200603121443.14045.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: Clair i think why i opted for ambassadors program is because it provides the individual to contribute in the best possible way. Secondly since i am new to fedora community thats why i opted for this list but surely in near future will take care of it. I know the templates are in flash but rahul already told the alternative to us so please be alert before u post! Thanks! On 3/12/06, Clair wrote: > > Can we please keep to the right mailing lists? This is *not* what > ambassadors > is about. > > On Sunday 12 March 2006 14:36, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Yes. Flash is unacceptable to Fedora as the sole format. It can be > > provided as *alternative* format if the media is provided in a format > > that is also viewable in Fedora by default which would automatically > > imply that it should be a open and free format. > > > > Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting on more details > > about producing a format that is supported by default in Fedora. > > > > Yours is is nevertheless a nice design and piece of work and I > > appreciate the effort put into this. Thanks. > > These pages are solely in flash... there is no alternative. > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards Francesco Ugolini From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 12 18:18:59 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:18:59 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] New banner (codename beta5) In-Reply-To: <7060D60F-1BE7-4534-B815-7E411C795075@fedora.redhat.com> References: <7060D60F-1BE7-4534-B815-7E411C795075@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603121818.59518.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 12 March 2006 18:02, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a new banner, changing the visual layout and the > "background" words' font (now it's Tahoma). As it is possible to see > i'm continuing to use the same concept of other banners. However i'm > working on new banner based on some feedback that i've received. > > You can find the new beta5 in this page: http://fedoraproject.org/ > wiki/Marketing/Banners . I don't understand the meaning behind the words? (Isn't this better suited to the marketing list?) Clair From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 12 19:31:15 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:31:15 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] New banner (codename beta5) In-Reply-To: <200603121818.59518.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <7060D60F-1BE7-4534-B815-7E411C795075@fedora.redhat.com> <200603121818.59518.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <20060312192843.M75343@fedoraproject.org> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:18:59 +0000, Clair wrote > I don't understand the meaning behind the words? > > (Isn't this better suited to the marketing list?) > > Clair Clair, Perahaps this quiotes from last Ambassadors Meeting will help you understand. Yes, Alex *did* mention it might be also good idea to post on fedora-marketing-list. Mar 09 14:39:37 lxmaier A tour at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 RahulSundaram Mar 09 14:39:37 lxmaier FrancescoUgolini Mar 09 14:39:37 lxmaier and anyone interested Time critical. Within 10 days maximum. Will have to be ready for FC5 detail Mar 09 14:39:40 lxmaier mether Mar 09 14:39:42 FrancescoUgolini i have post the banner in the m-list, i'm working on it. If is possible i would to know if it's the good way Mar 09 14:39:42 lxmaier FrancescoUgolini: Mar 09 14:39:50 tchung mether, ping Mar 09 14:39:54 lxmaier schweet Mar 09 14:39:55 lxmaier :) Mar 09 14:40:40 lxmaier FrancescoUgolini: i hoe you are getting enough feedback on the list Mar 09 14:40:45 puneet_batura FrancescoUgolini, Great effort!.. :) Mar 09 14:40:48 tchung FrancescoUgolini, can you attach what you working on the wiki? Mar 09 14:41:01 lxmaier you might also consider posting to fedora-marketing-list FrancescoUgolini Mar 09 14:41:19 lxmaier post a link to your wiki on both lists Mar 09 14:41:23 FrancescoUgolini yes i do this after i finsh to install the system update Mar 09 14:41:29 tchung yes, email the wiki link instead of actual attachments Mar 09 14:41:29 lxmaier good Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Sun Mar 12 20:01:09 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:01:09 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] New banner (codename beta5) In-Reply-To: <7060D60F-1BE7-4534-B815-7E411C795075@fedora.redhat.com> References: <7060D60F-1BE7-4534-B815-7E411C795075@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142193670.2682.104.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 19:02 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a new banner, changing the visual layout and the > "background" words' font (now it's Tahoma). As it is possible to see > i'm continuing to use the same concept of other banners. However i'm > working on new banner based on some feedback that i've received. > > You can find the new beta5 in this page: http://fedoraproject.org/ > wiki/Marketing/Banners . > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Francesco Ugolini, Please post these items to the marketing list, thye are better suited for public input rather than the limited view from the ambassadors list. I believe Alex suggested this in Thursday's Meeting. She also Suggested cross posting, I feel this however would be redundant since being a member of the marketing list is a requirement of being in the Ambassadors Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Mar 12 19:57:07 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:57:07 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Subscribe to fedora-marketing-list! Message-ID: <200603121357.10687.nman64@n-man.com> Those of you who are not currently subscribed to fedora-marketing-list should subscribe now. 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After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. This is all From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Sun Mar 12 22:58:34 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:58:34 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1142204314.2470.1.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 23:45 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a press release to send to press at Wednesday 15, it is in > italian i resume the content here: > > A new, and more advance, distribution of Fedora is released today, > it's based on Linux and it's the most advance distribution that is > avaiable in this moment. > > Tha feautures are: > > Packet with same functionality are inserted in the Extras. > > A new packet manager with a better integration with Anaconda and Pup > updater. > > Better integration with SELinux > > Better driver campatibility > > Better start and close speed > > Suspension mode for laptop. > > More cripted filesystem. > > Much other things ( in the text i've write etc...) > > After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to > commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and > OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such > as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer > that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. > > This is all There is an official press release that you might be able to translate for the Documentation Project. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sunday 12 March 2006 22:45, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a press release to send to press at Wednesday 15, it is in > italian i resume the content here: > > A new, and more advance, distribution of Fedora is released today, > it's based on Linux and it's the most advance distribution that is > avaiable in this moment. > > Tha feautures are: > > Packet with same functionality are inserted in the Extras. This doesn't make sense. > A new packet manager with a better integration with Anaconda and Pup > updater. This isn't true > Better start and close speed Is this true? Has it been tested? > More cripted filesystem. I don't think this is true. > After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to > commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and > OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such > as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer > that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. You can't say "Fedora is better than Windows" in a press release. Clair From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 12 22:59:36 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:59:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <1142204314.2470.1.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1142204314.2470.1.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <91EA7888-498F-4C69-AD25-9A849A0EC975@fedora.redhat.com> Ok, i find and translate that. Il giorno 12/mar/06, alle ore 23:58, Robert 'Bob' Jensen ha scritto: > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 23:45 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I've made a press release to send to press at Wednesday 15, it is in >> italian i resume the content here: >> >> A new, and more advance, distribution of Fedora is released today, >> it's based on Linux and it's the most advance distribution that is >> avaiable in this moment. >> >> Tha feautures are: >> >> Packet with same functionality are inserted in the Extras. >> >> A new packet manager with a better integration with Anaconda and Pup >> updater. >> >> Better integration with SELinux >> >> Better driver campatibility >> >> Better start and close speed >> >> Suspension mode for laptop. >> >> More cripted filesystem. >> >> Much other things ( in the text i've write etc...) >> >> After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to >> commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and >> OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such >> as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer >> that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. >> >> This is all > > There is an official press release that you might be able to translate > for the Documentation Project. > > -- > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > Fedora Marketing Projects > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From barzilay at redhat.com Mon Mar 13 00:30:19 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:30:19 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142209819.4234.4.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Em Dom, 2006-03-12 ?s 22:54 +0545, Abhishek Singh escreveu: > Dear Punit, > Your designs are all well and it seems you are a bit > interested in Flash animation. The animation I liked most is of > template 4. Could you please try with different colours instead of > orange. +1! Animation is looking great! I enjoyed the words and the font, but the orange background is an external element to Fedora's new look. Best, -- db > I would like you to experiment with blue background and off-white > text. Moreover we should as well give place to other web elements on > the page, as the flash animation alone won't do much. > > Let me wait for your new tweaked designs. > > Regards > Abhishek Singh > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From jfautley at redhat.com Mon Mar 13 12:39:31 2006 From: jfautley at redhat.com (Jon Fautley) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:39:31 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <200603112343.42425.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> <200603112343.42425.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <44156803.9060602@redhat.com> Clair wrote: > The CLA process *is* imposed by the group. There are legal reasons surrounding why this is in place, though. >>During the time you were member of the group Clair, I did not see you >>even try to participate in any discussions on the list or on IRC, and >>I have not seen you contribute to UK events, or request our support >>for any of your activities there. And so I don't see how we failed >>you. > > > Well, the reason you haven't seen me post on irc is because you are rarely on > irc. (You haven't even subscribed to services). > > Why did I not contribute to UK events? Because I wasn't given the support. I > enquired about talking to my LUG, but was told there was nothing you can do > to help me. This is something that needs to be addressed. The Ambassador project is currently still very young, and as such, there's going to be teething problems. > I cannot make it to big events. Why should I have to? You shouldn't have to. If you can't make it, you can't make it. Simple as that. I don't think we should be forcing ambassadors down a specific path. Some people just simply don't like attending Open Source events, but they can still contribute to the project in other ways. > >>The Ambassadors project is based on self-driven individuals going out >>and talking about Fedora to other people. Famsco can *support* them >>and provide them with feedback, but can hardly take each of the >>volunteers by the hand and lead them along. With the amount of >>resources we got (almost non-existent) this model will not scale, >>however much I regret it. > > > You don't need resources. Not everything is about giving away free DVDs or > free t-shirts. This is where you lost your sight on the project. It's not > about big events and free stuff. It's about telling people who ask about > Fedora, about answering their questions, it's about saying why they should > (if at all) switch to Fedora from another distro. +1 to that. > If we work on people on at a time, it will be more effective than going to > huge events. Yes and no - we still need events. We also need to be speaking to the 'real' people. One thing I don't like about most big Linux events is the 'commercialness' of it - you're speaking to the IT managers, directors, etc. This has its advantages, and its drawbacks. The best way to get to the real techies is to attend LUG meetings, or specifically 'geeky' open source events. Regards, Jon -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 12:56:35 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:26:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <44156803.9060602@redhat.com> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> <200603112343.42425.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <44156803.9060602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142254595.2890.21.camel@linuxbox> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 12:39 +0000, Jon Fautley wrote: > > I cannot make it to big events. Why should I have to? > > You shouldn't have to. If you can't make it, you can't make it. Simple > as that. I don't think we should be forcing ambassadors down a specific > path. Some people just simply don't like attending Open Source events, > but they can still contribute to the project in other ways. +1 +1 +1 > > It's about telling people who ask about Fedora, about answering their questions, it's about saying why they should (if at all) switch to Fedora from another distro. > > +1 to that. Or, in few cases, why they SHOULDN'T switch to fedora. > The best way to get to the real techies is to attend LUG meetings, or > specifically 'geeky' open source events. well, the local lug guys already use Linux, and they have heard about fedora, so we need not think about them too much either. but I'd say target the students... talk in colleges. Teach students the principles of free software. gja From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Mon Mar 13 14:06:43 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:06:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Benner page updated Message-ID: I've updated the wiki page adding some snippet to put banner in the sites. See you soon Francesco From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Mon Mar 13 14:15:41 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:45:41 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list... In-Reply-To: <1142254595.2890.21.camel@linuxbox> References: <200603112141.14561.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603111511r1d85eca9m142a7a536f702d0@mail.gmail.com> <200603112343.42425.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <44156803.9060602@redhat.com> <1142254595.2890.21.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: On 3/13/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 12:39 +0000, Jon Fautley wrote: > > > I cannot make it to big events. Why should I have to? > > > > You shouldn't have to. If you can't make it, you can't make it. Simple > > as that. I don't think we should be forcing ambassadors down a specific > > path. Some people just simply don't like attending Open Source events, > > but they can still contribute to the project in other ways. > > +1 +1 +1 > > > > It's about telling people who ask about Fedora, about answering their > questions, it's about saying why they should (if at all) switch to Fedora > from another distro. > > > > +1 to that. > > Or, in few cases, why they SHOULDN'T switch to fedora. > > > The best way to get to the real techies is to attend LUG meetings, or > > specifically 'geeky' open source events. > > well, the local lug guys already use Linux, and they have heard about > fedora, so we need not think about them too much either. Yes, i think targeting the students and colleges is a must +1. Its really necessary to tell the students in the colleges abt open source, so that they can look at this alternative in their earlier stages of carrier and drive them to contribute and use FOSS. but I'd say target the students... talk in colleges. Teach students the > principles of free software. > > gja > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Mon Mar 13 15:50:34 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:50:34 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] LinuxWorld 2006 Milan Message-ID: <4C400413-3037-4AB0-8E91-629CD5519E82@fedora.redhat.com> Maurizio Gnerre tell me that there isn't the possibility to partecipate to the event becuase it is a sponsored event and to partecipat is necessary to pay somthing. So he tell me that is possible to delete this event from the event list, as he proposed time ago. I attach the mail that he send to me: Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 14:24, Andrea Maurizio Gnerre ha scritto: > Ciao Francesco, > piacere. > > Avevo gi? dato feedback in merito e sono costantemente in contatto > con l'organizzazione. > Purtroppo, non vi ? possibilit? di partecipare in quanto ? un > evento sponsorizzato per cui, la presenza come speaker e come > espositore, ? prevista solo a pagamento. > > Per questo, avevo richiesto la rimozione dal calendario ma, in un > precedente meeting, era stato deciso di lasciarlo. > > Fammi sapere. > > Grazie, > Andrea From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Mon Mar 13 16:08:14 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:08:14 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] AREL event 12 march 2006 - Report Message-ID: <1142266094.3772.49.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> AREL is a local organisation that promotes education and entertainment. They were organising a multimedia event on sunday which aimed at introducing all the organisation of the area (photo, radio, internet, computer sciencing...) Some people who wish to create a local LUG were there to show open-source softwares and discuss about creating a local lug. I was among them. We were about 4 men on the booth promoting freesoftware. 3 of them had brought there laptop (i don't have one) to show their distributions. Moreover, I could not bring my own computer with me as I went there by train. It was a very local event, then about 100 - 150 people came to the event in general. Many people came and asked questions about free software in general. As it was a first approach meeting in the area, it was more relevant to explain free software principles. Many of them had already heard about Linux, but no distribution name was known. About Fedora, not having my own laptop caused me a lot of problems. First, it was very difficult to request a 100% Fedora/Kadischi laptop. My friends do not know about Fedora that much and are more at ease - for the moment - with debian-like distribution. Then, not having a laptop was as well a problem to burn iso. The public were more interested in live-cd and I was very reluctant to burn a still-in-developpment live cd based on a beta-distribution. I only burnt one of them, to a Fedora fan (wow!). Many people were very interested in free software, as an alternative of warez and piracy. That is a good point we have for us. Some of them failed to understand that it is possible to make software for free. However i learned a lot of things about promoting fedora core. - I need a laptop :) - We really need a live cd. About it, I think that we must keep the way it is at the moment, I mean, zero-configuration live-cd, that boots up without asking any question. Many people attending on the booth were a bit disturbed by the simple choice of the screen resolution question of Ubuntu live-cd for example. - We really need video to promote Fedora Core. Red Hat's videos (truthappens, choice, inevitable) are good ones to attract public attention and establishing a first contact with people, but they are not relevant for Fedora. I am going to see what can be done about this kind of video but I can't promise anything. Photos of the booth are available online there : http://mrtomlinux.multiply.com/photos/album/6 About the local lug, it is likely to be created soon. It was a good day for free software, but not so good for fedora. Cheers Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How to do that can be found in the help and man pages of gedit.}? set up IRC to get on irc.freenode.net How to do that can be found ... connect to #fedora-mktg. how to do that can be found .... Carry on a conversation on that media how to do that can be found .... I want to support Fedora. I have 15-20 years experience as a system administrator with UNIX and LINUX. Some of this is new infrastructure to me as my experience was focused in the box, not the internet. I am trying to set up an install event with the local Cincinnati LUG. As the release date is close, I expect I will down load the ISOs and take two sets to the next meeting for those who want it NOW and dont want to wait. -- Patrick C. McKelvey PE (License E-45489 expires 12/31/2006) 3315 Ashwood Dr. Cincinnati, OH 45213 pmckelvey at zoomtown.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 17:51:40 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:51:40 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] AREL event 12 march 2006 - Report In-Reply-To: <1142266094.3772.49.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1142266094.3772.49.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603130951h193c07d7i524ffc4acd809695@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > About Fedora, not having my own laptop caused me a lot of problems. > First, it was very difficult to request a 100% Fedora/Kadischi laptop. > My friends do not know about Fedora that much and are more at ease - for > the moment - with debian-like distribution. > > Then, not having a laptop was as well a problem to burn iso. The public > were more interested in live-cd and I was very reluctant to burn a > still-in-developpment live cd based on a beta-distribution. I only burnt > one of them, to a Fedora fan (wow!). > > Many people were very interested in free software, as an alternative of > warez and piracy. That is a good point we have for us. Some of them > failed to understand that it is possible to make software for free. > > However i learned a lot of things about promoting fedora core. > - I need a laptop :) my advice don't buy packard bell !! i had bad expericiences with it http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/02/packardbell-h5300-laptop.html Nevertheless, Im using it to build live cds :) > - We really need a live cd. About it, I think that we must keep the way > it is at the moment, I mean, zero-configuration live-cd, that boots up > without asking any question. Many people attending on the booth were a > bit disturbed by the simple choice of the screen resolution question of > Ubuntu live-cd for example. I agree and I disagree. By default, Kadischi allows any user to create his/her own livecd as you said a zero-configuration livecd during the boot process. But Kadischi isn't mature yet to distinguish whether a particular user has a azerty or qwerty keyboard, a 1024x768, timezone etc. Hence if you are creating you own livecd, kadischi will based on your machine to find such information. The problem comes when building a specific livecd for each ambassador for example. Not everyone has the same keyboard and timezone. Im uploading a new livecd (since 6 hours). This livecd during the boot process asks you to input your timezone, network configuration and keyboard layout, just to satisfy each ambassador through the world :) Ill state the other features Ive included on my announcement mail later on. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 18:22:37 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:22:37 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] LinuxWorld 2006 Milan In-Reply-To: <4C400413-3037-4AB0-8E91-629CD5519E82@fedora.redhat.com> References: <4C400413-3037-4AB0-8E91-629CD5519E82@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603131022r33d63999h19bceb93324e93c9@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Maurizio Gnerre tell me that there isn't the possibility to > partecipate to the event becuase it is a sponsored event and to > partecipat is necessary to pay somthing. So he tell me that is > possible to delete this event from the event list, as he proposed > time ago. LinuxWorld 2006 Milan has been removed from FedoraEvents wiki page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 18:35:09 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:35:09 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Newbie - PatrickMcKelvey In-Reply-To: <4415A279.8090004@zoomtown.com> References: <4415A279.8090004@zoomtown.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603131035k62ea15fk1982c0714d65d00e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, Pat McKelvey wrote: > I am a newbie at this. I read in the past minutes that there is a no > hats rule. Where can I find the rules? What is acceptable? Hi Pat, I guess you missed this one. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2006-02-16 BTW, here is a good one: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/014dec05/features/fedora/ "Greg: Of course, we had some interesting challenges to overcome. "Fedora" basically means "hat" to much of the English speaking world, yet we wanted to avoid using a hat image out of respect for Red Hat's brand. So it took a lot of creative thinking to get us through that issue." Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 19:56:55 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:56:55 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <20060311212458.M10500@fedoraproject.org> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> <20060311002321.M79803@fedoraproject.org> <1142077976.4379.31.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <20060311212458.M10500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270603131156g6b4aecc0o4d5da2af469491e1@mail.gmail.com> I would say they should all talk about freedom and openness, but I would like to abstain from directly making "Advertisement" videos, as too many people out there are already doing that: Firefox with their "flicks" Mastercard with "priceless.com" I would like to open the floor to everyone who wants to express their ideas creatively--even if it be an abstract video. We--Fedora--are not a commercial distribution, and doing commercials in this context might limit us unnecessarily. Thanks, a On 3/11/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:52:56 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote > > The vidoe contest should promote Fedora. Each video should be free to > > promote either the entire system or a precise component/feature of > > Fedora. > > > > Thomas Canniot > > That's good enough for me. :) > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 20:10:22 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:10:22 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603131156g6b4aecc0o4d5da2af469491e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <441213A7.7080507@gnsa.us> <6E25E0F5-AE97-4BF0-9833-1CEF931FE916@gmail.com> <20060311002321.M79803@fedoraproject.org> <1142077976.4379.31.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <20060311212458.M10500@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603131156g6b4aecc0o4d5da2af469491e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603131210s5d310531s2adac7964e840be8@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, Alex Maier wrote: > I would say they should all talk about freedom and openness, but I > would like to abstain from directly making "Advertisement" videos, as > too many people out there are already doing that: > > Firefox with their "flicks" > Mastercard with "priceless.com" > > I would like to open the floor to everyone who wants to express their > ideas creatively--even if it be an abstract video. We--Fedora--are not > a commercial distribution, and doing commercials in this context might > limit us unnecessarily. > > Thanks, > a Ok, our goals have been updated. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung/VideoContest -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 14 00:28:14 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:28:14 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Video Contest--Draft available In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603131156g6b4aecc0o4d5da2af469491e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603101229g1ddab232tbf5081ec5206e70c@mail.gmail.com> <20060311212458.M10500@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603131156g6b4aecc0o4d5da2af469491e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603140028.14343.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Isn't this more suited to the marketing list? Clair On Monday 13 March 2006 19:56, Alex Maier wrote: > I would say they should all talk about freedom and openness, but I > would like to abstain from directly making "Advertisement" videos, as > too many people out there are already doing that: > > Firefox with their "flicks" > Mastercard with "priceless.com" > > I would like to open the floor to everyone who wants to express their > ideas creatively--even if it be an abstract video. We--Fedora--are not > a commercial distribution, and doing commercials in this context might > limit us unnecessarily. > > Thanks, > a > > On 3/11/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:52:56 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote > > > > > The vidoe contest should promote Fedora. Each video should be free to > > > promote either the entire system or a precise component/feature of > > > Fedora. > > > > > > Thomas Canniot > > > > That's good enough for me. :) > > -- > > Thomas Chung > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 14 04:07:43 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:07:43 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. Message-ID: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> After reading through the transcript of the steering committee meeting which happened last night, I have a few pointers: * Why is funding, swag, and events seen as the three 'big' things? No. Events are NOT the most important part of ambassadors. I cannot stress this enough. Funding and swag should not be seen as something that makes or breaks ambassadors. The only swag that is imo important is the DVDs. And these can be produced much more cheaper than the plan so far, and should be sent to ALL ambassadors whether they are going to an event or not. Handing out DVDs to friends and people "on the street" is a very big way fedora is spread. * Alex is trying to combine mentors and ambassadors. This is a sign that Alex is thinking that ambassadors is some master project. No. It's not. Ambassadors are here to do one job, and one job only. You do not discuss, or deal with, marketing. You do not mentor. You tell people about Fedora. You tell them anywhere, not just in the big events. * The only overlap between ambassadors and mentors is that the ambassadors project is in serious need of support. There are too many ambassadors who, in my opinion, do not know what their role is, or how to fulfill it. It is good that the committee is starting to see this. As a side note: (19:21:20) rjune [n=rjune at oh-67-76-200-198.sta.sprint-hsd.net] entered the room. (19:21:34) lxmaier: rjune: who are you? (19:22:23) lxmaier: rjune: this is a members-only meeting, please leave (19:22:42) rjune left the room (Kicked by lxmaier (lxmaier)). I was taken aback when reading this - it shocks and saddens me. rjune is an important member of the fedora community. Several things spring to mind here: 1) By asking "Who are you", it has become clear that Alex does not know, or care about, anyone who is not an ambassador. She should seriously consider getting to know strong community members like rjune, whether ambassador or not. 2) Fedora is open source. We are open. Why should someone be stopped from spectating (or even taking part?) in a meeting, whether it's committee or not, whether they're members or not? 3) /kick is a tool that should be used lightly. Not only does keeping +o go against freenode guidelines, using said op tools is not recommended unless it is really necessary, since it raises the channel temperature. From michael at knox.net.nz Tue Mar 14 05:00:37 2006 From: michael at knox.net.nz (Michael J Knox) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:00:37 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <48801.219.89.109.32.1142312437.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> Clair said: > As a side note: > (19:21:20) rjune [n=rjune at oh-67-76-200-198.sta.sprint-hsd.net] entered the > room. > (19:21:34) lxmaier: rjune: who are you? > (19:22:23) lxmaier: rjune: this is a members-only meeting, please leave > (19:22:42) rjune left the room (Kicked by lxmaier (lxmaier)). > > I was taken aback when reading this - it shocks and saddens me. rjune is > an > important member of the fedora community. Several things spring to mind > here: > 1) By asking "Who are you", it has become clear that Alex does not know, > or > care about, anyone who is not an ambassador. She should seriously consider > getting to know strong community members like rjune, whether ambassador or > not. > 2) Fedora is open source. We are open. Why should someone be stopped from > spectating (or even taking part?) in a meeting, whether it's committee or > not, whether they're members or not? > 3) /kick is a tool that should be used lightly. Not only does keeping +o > go > against freenode guidelines, using said op tools is not recommended unless > it > is really necessary, since it raises the channel temperature. WOW! I can't believe that. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct After reading the very first paragraph of the above link, makes me wonder :-/ I certainly don't want actions like the above tarnish myself or Fedora as a whole. I know the Fedora Extra meetings are completely open, I often sit in on them with a keen interest. I see no need to kick people period. Michael From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 14 05:11:46 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:11:46 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 13 March 2006 22:07, Clair wrote: > > * Why is funding, swag, and events seen as the three 'big' things? No. > Events are NOT the most important part of ambassadors. I cannot stress this > enough. Funding and swag should not be seen as something that makes or > breaks ambassadors. The only swag that is imo important is the DVDs. And > these can be produced much more cheaper than the plan so far, and should be > sent to ALL ambassadors whether they are going to an event or not. Handing > out DVDs to friends and people "on the street" is a very big way fedora is > spread. The general goal here was to break down the assorted responsibilities that fall to the Steering Committee into key groups that can be managed by small teams within the committee. In the past, that division was between the budget, merchandise, and event management. As you can see in the transcript, this was further refined. The coverage of merchandise and events includes merchandise to be distributed to the assorted Ambassadors who are not participating in large events, and management of smaller events. This is not a dedication to large events. I know what you're worried about, but rest assured that we are trying to make things work in an efficient manner that will help us in devoting resources to smaller events and singular efforts. These things take a little hashing through, and you can see some of that in the transcript. > > * Alex is trying to combine mentors and ambassadors. This is a sign that > Alex is thinking that ambassadors is some master project. No. It's not. > Ambassadors are here to do one job, and one job only. You do not discuss, > or deal with, marketing. You do not mentor. You tell people about Fedora. > You tell them anywhere, not just in the big events. This point was discussed. The idea came up innocently, and was rejected through agreement. We do need to try to work cooperatively with the Mentors project, but we did agree that it would be inappropriate to combine the two projects. > > * The only overlap between ambassadors and mentors is that the ambassadors > project is in serious need of support. There are too many ambassadors who, > in my opinion, do not know what their role is, or how to fulfill it. It is > good that the committee is starting to see this. Yes, we do need to come up with a simple, unified idea to spread among the Ambassadors as our motto. Currently, there is a great deal of confusion within the project with regard to our goals, purpose, and scope, and we are all in agreement that this is something we need to correct. Additionally, we are in a position to help the Mentors program. Ambassadors can do three key things to help the Mentors program: 1. Many Ambassadors would be well-qualified to act as Mentors. There are some similar requirements and some Ambassadors have skills that would be helpful to new contributors. 2. Ambassadors can help spread the word about the Mentors program to attract new Mentors from among Fedora contributors. 3. Ambassadors can attract new contributors to the Fedora Project, and direct them to the Mentors program when they need help. > > > As a side note: > (19:21:20) rjune [n=rjune at oh-67-76-200-198.sta.sprint-hsd.net] entered the > room. > (19:21:34) lxmaier: rjune: who are you? > (19:22:23) lxmaier: rjune: this is a members-only meeting, please leave > (19:22:42) rjune left the room (Kicked by lxmaier (lxmaier)). > > I was taken aback when reading this - it shocks and saddens me. rjune is an > important member of the fedora community. Several things spring to mind > here: 1) By asking "Who are you", it has become clear that Alex does not > know, or care about, anyone who is not an ambassador. She should seriously > consider getting to know strong community members like rjune, whether > ambassador or not. > 2) Fedora is open source. We are open. Why should someone be stopped from > spectating (or even taking part?) in a meeting, whether it's committee or > not, whether they're members or not? > 3) /kick is a tool that should be used lightly. Not only does keeping +o go > against freenode guidelines, using said op tools is not recommended unless > it is really necessary, since it raises the channel temperature. > You are correct in that this could potentially have been handled in a more amicable manner. I must point out that rjune has not been an active contributor with the Fedora Project. Even his involvement with Fedora Unity has been limited. It is perfectly understandable that Alex would not know who he is. Each person has a unique perspective to know a different subset of our contributors, and Alex has not had the widest window to learn who everyone is. The kick might have been overkill, as simply asking him to leave would have probably been sufficient. In the future, we will do a better job of handling these meeting so that everyone understands what is going on. The Steering Committee decided it was necessary to have a meeting where they could discuss some pressing issues without the distractions that are usually faced in the #fedora-mktg channel and when other Ambassadors are involved. This was not an opportunity for people to ask questions, make requests, seek opinions, express concerns, or any other such things. This was an opportunity for the Steering Committee to work out concerns over the project management that are of specific interest to the SC and are not suited for involvement of other Ambassadors. The meeting had to be conducted privately to get things done. It was very productive as a result. The transcript is available, and feedback, such as yours, is welcome. Future meetings like this are planned. They will also not be open while the meeting is in progress. Rest assured that this is not against the ideals of Fedora. The restrictions on these meetings are in place to allow the meetings to fulfill their purpose without interruption, not for propriety reasons. Having a proper channel setup will help in avoiding issues such as the above, and will allow us to keep the channel temperature a bit lower. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael at knox.net.nz Tue Mar 14 05:16:13 2006 From: michael at knox.net.nz (Michael J Knox) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:16:13 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> Patrick Barnes said: > You are correct in that this could potentially have been handled in a more > amicable manner. I must point out that rjune has not been an active > contributor with the Fedora Project. Even his involvement with Fedora > Unity > has been limited. It is perfectly understandable that Alex would not know > who he is. Each person has a unique perspective to know a different > subset > of our contributors, and Alex has not had the widest window to learn who > everyone is. The kick might have been overkill, as simply asking him to > leave would have probably been sufficient. In the future, we will do a > better job of handling these meeting so that everyone understands what is > going on. Regardsless of contribution, the reaction is over the top. *IF* it was so important to have only ambassodors present and not others, then someone with a small clue on IRC channel opterations, could have made the channel invite only. Or, moderated the channel and only given voice to those who were there to take part in the meeting. Again.. Regardless of contribution, the kick was not needed. Michael From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 14 05:19:35 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:19:35 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <48801.219.89.109.32.1142312437.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <48801.219.89.109.32.1142312437.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <200603132319.38802.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 13 March 2006 23:00, Michael J Knox wrote: > WOW! I can't believe that. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct > > After reading the very first paragraph of the above link, makes me wonder > > :-/ I certainly don't want actions like the above tarnish myself or Fedora > > as a whole. > > I know the Fedora Extra meetings are completely open, I often sit in on > them with a keen interest. I see no need to kick people period. > > Michael > I agree that things did not go as smoothly as they could have. Every young effort is going to have its stumbling blocks. We can't open these meetings up right now, as they tend to be completely destroyed by off-topic questions, comments and rants. This kind of discussion has been impossible in the #fedora-mktg channel, and we felt the need to get some things taken care of. Hopefully, as the project matures, we'll be able to move to a more open format for the meetings that allows us to engage everyone in the talks. This kind of early development wasn't open for the other major Fedora projects either. Now that some of this stuff is out of the way, we can move forward down a path that will lead to a more open model. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 14 05:49:41 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:49:41 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 13 March 2006 23:16, "Michael J Knox" wrote: > Regardsless of contribution, the reaction is over the top. > > *IF* it was so important to have only ambassodors present and not others, > then someone with a small clue on IRC channel opterations, could have made > the channel invite only. Or, moderated the channel and only given voice to > those who were there to take part in the meeting. > > Again.. Regardless of contribution, the kick was not needed. > Yes, the kick was most likely more than was needed. This channel was thrown together in a hurry. It was not official, not registered with services, and not set up with the intent of existing after the meeting concluded. That is why it was not set up as invite-only or moderated. This is something that will be done differently for any future meetings. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 14 11:09:28 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:09:28 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200603141109.29012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 05:49, Patrick Barnes wrote: > Yes, the kick was most likely more than was needed. This channel was > thrown together in a hurry. It was not official, not registered with > services, and not set up with the intent of existing after the meeting > concluded. That is why it was not set up as invite-only or moderated. > This is something that will be done differently for any future meetings. It takes about 10 seconds to register a channel with services, 2 seconds to type /mode +i #channel then invite people, and 2 seconds to type /mode +m #channel and doing a /mode +v user. This really isn't a good enough excuse. Clair From jfautley at redhat.com Tue Mar 14 11:20:32 2006 From: jfautley at redhat.com (Jon Fautley) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:20:32 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <200603141109.29012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <200603141109.29012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <4416A700.5050202@redhat.com> Clair wrote: > On Tuesday 14 March 2006 05:49, Patrick Barnes wrote: > >>Yes, the kick was most likely more than was needed. This channel was >>thrown together in a hurry. It was not official, not registered with >>services, and not set up with the intent of existing after the meeting >>concluded. That is why it was not set up as invite-only or moderated. >>This is something that will be done differently for any future meetings. > > > It takes about 10 seconds to register a channel with services, 2 seconds to > type > /mode +i #channel > then invite people, and 2 seconds to type > /mode +m #channel > and doing a > /mode +v user. > > This really isn't a good enough excuse. But it could be an acceptable excuse if you don't know how IRC works... Should the person have been kicked? I don't think so... Do we all have better things to be doing than discussing this? I think so... It's happened - there's been enough discussion on this issue to ensure it doesn't happen again. Lets move on, eh? Jon -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Tue Mar 14 11:22:49 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:49 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <4416A700.5050202@redhat.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <200603141109.29012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <4416A700.5050202@redhat.com> Message-ID: +100 to u Jon. We should look forward to other creative aspects rather than discussing these kind of issues. On 3/14/06, Jon Fautley wrote: > > Clair wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 March 2006 05:49, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > > >>Yes, the kick was most likely more than was needed. This channel was > >>thrown together in a hurry. It was not official, not registered with > >>services, and not set up with the intent of existing after the meeting > >>concluded. That is why it was not set up as invite-only or moderated. > >>This is something that will be done differently for any future meetings. > > > > > > It takes about 10 seconds to register a channel with services, 2 seconds > to > > type > > /mode +i #channel > > then invite people, and 2 seconds to type > > /mode +m #channel > > and doing a > > /mode +v user. > > > > This really isn't a good enough excuse. > > But it could be an acceptable excuse if you don't know how IRC works... > > Should the person have been kicked? I don't think so... > > Do we all have better things to be doing than discussing this? I think > so... > > It's happened - there's been enough discussion on this issue to ensure > it doesn't happen again. > > Lets move on, eh? > > Jon > -- > Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 > Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 > Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 > 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 14 11:28:28 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:28:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <200603141109.29012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <4416A700.5050202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603140328v68c3ea8dr9c621117fe94626d@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/06, puneet batura wrote: > +100 to u Jon. We should look forward to other creative aspects rather than > discussing these kind of issues. Like proposing promotional materials for Live CD that you might need :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 14 11:28:40 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:28:40 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <4416A700.5050202@redhat.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603141109.29012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <4416A700.5050202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603141128.40353.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 11:20, Jon Fautley wrote: > But it could be an acceptable excuse if you don't know how IRC works... Should we then be making people who don't know anything about irc project leaders, and allow them to chair the meetings? I think that Alex asking for +o the minute she joined the channel was only asking for trouble. I've seen it all too often. > Should the person have been kicked? I don't think so... > > Do we all have better things to be doing than discussing this? I think > so... > > It's happened - there's been enough discussion on this issue to ensure > it doesn't happen again. > > Lets move on, eh? I think that the openness, and the reaction when someone entered the channel, is a very important issue, and should be discussed. The steering committee aren't the ambassadors - they're a small group of the ambassadors who keep things running smoothly. Something like this is only creating a two-tiered project. The upper class committee, and the lower class ambassadors. Clair From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Tue Mar 14 11:35:17 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:35:17 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1142336118.2470.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 04:07 +0000, Clair wrote: > After reading through the transcript of the steering committee meeting which > happened last night, I have a few pointers: > > * Why is funding, swag, and events seen as the three 'big' things? No. Events > are NOT the most important part of ambassadors. I cannot stress this enough. > Funding and swag should not be seen as something that makes or breaks > ambassadors. The only swag that is imo important is the DVDs. And these can > be produced much more cheaper than the plan so far, and should be sent to ALL > ambassadors whether they are going to an event or not. Handing out DVDs to > friends and people "on the street" is a very big way fedora is spread. > > * Alex is trying to combine mentors and ambassadors. This is a sign that Alex > is thinking that ambassadors is some master project. No. It's not. > Ambassadors are here to do one job, and one job only. You do not discuss, or > deal with, marketing. You do not mentor. You tell people about Fedora. You > tell them anywhere, not just in the big events. > > * The only overlap between ambassadors and mentors is that the ambassadors > project is in serious need of support. There are too many ambassadors who, in > my opinion, do not know what their role is, or how to fulfill it. It is good > that the committee is starting to see this. > > > As a side note: > (19:21:20) rjune [n=rjune at oh-67-76-200-198.sta.sprint-hsd.net] entered the > room. > (19:21:34) lxmaier: rjune: who are you? > (19:22:23) lxmaier: rjune: this is a members-only meeting, please leave > (19:22:42) rjune left the room (Kicked by lxmaier (lxmaier)). > > I was taken aback when reading this - it shocks and saddens me. rjune is an > important member of the fedora community. Several things spring to mind here: > 1) By asking "Who are you", it has become clear that Alex does not know, or > care about, anyone who is not an ambassador. She should seriously consider > getting to know strong community members like rjune, whether ambassador or > not. > 2) Fedora is open source. We are open. Why should someone be stopped from > spectating (or even taking part?) in a meeting, whether it's committee or > not, whether they're members or not? > 3) /kick is a tool that should be used lightly. Not only does keeping +o go > against freenode guidelines, using said op tools is not recommended unless it > is really necessary, since it raises the channel temperature. > For the record, rjune was only kicked, he could have rejoined. He could have answered and stated his concerns but he did not. rjune only joined to "help rattle cages." This alone was pointless and childish not to mention potentially counter productive. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pb at fedoracore.com.ar Tue Mar 14 13:24:29 2006 From: pb at fedoracore.com.ar (pb at fedoracore.com.ar) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:24:29 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info><200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com><48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> I read the comitee and talking around spread Fedora to the friends, could be interesting make a ?street campaing?just like happen with other distros. I.E in Buenos Aires we have a IT place called Catalinas and Called Florida. There?s a lot of interesting ways to give to interesting people on run Linux get a contact and give some DVDs copies for example. Give DVDs to masses interested in Technology could be useful, and here we can get some press on IT specialist to spread the notice. Just a humble idea how to spread the cost. PabloBarrera Fedora Ambassador Argentina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Barnes" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 09/03/2006 From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 14:52:00 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: <002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> Message-ID: <7f617d270603140652j62cb0122pe44af48f94b5e586@mail.gmail.com> Pablo, all, This is a great idea! When we have the new batch of DVDs available to the Ambassadors, this will be a great use for some of them. Thank you, Alex On 3/14/06, pb at fedoracore.com.ar wrote: > I read the comitee and talking around spread Fedora to the friends, could be > interesting make a ?street campaing?just like happen with other distros. > I.E > in Buenos Aires we have a IT place called Catalinas and Called Florida. > There?s a lot of interesting ways to give to interesting people on run Linux > get a contact and give some DVDs copies for example. Give DVDs to masses > interested in Technology could be useful, and here we can get some > press on IT specialist to spread the notice. > > Just a humble idea how to spread the cost. > > PabloBarrera > Fedora Ambassador Argentina > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Barnes" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last > night. > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 09/03/2006 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com Tue Mar 14 15:07:23 2006 From: filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com (Filip Tsachev) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:07:23 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603140652j62cb0122pe44af48f94b5e586@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> <7f617d270603140652j62cb0122pe44af48f94b5e586@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Expecially the new & fancy FC5 DVD/LiveDVD will be great. Ubuntu was distributed nicely like this. I already do the "Fedora in the Streets" :) but just for friends for now, and without lightscribed media or something similar that will further make impression. Cheers, Filip From pb at fedoracore.com.ar Tue Mar 14 15:15:50 2006 From: pb at fedoracore.com.ar (pb at fedoracore.com.ar) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:15:50 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info><200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com><48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz><200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com><002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd><7f617d270603140652j62cb0122pe44af48f94b5e586@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005201c6477a$2faff240$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> Well, it seems that has a good reception. Yes the LiveCD could be the most usefull option. Send you my greetings! PabloBarrera Fedora Ambassador Argentina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Tsachev" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets Expecially the new & fancy FC5 DVD/LiveDVD will be great. Ubuntu was distributed nicely like this. I already do the "Fedora in the Streets" :) but just for friends for now, and without lightscribed media or something similar that will further make impression. Cheers, Filip -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 09/03/2006 From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 14 15:18:23 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:18:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: <005201c6477a$2faff240$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> <7f617d270603140652j62cb0122pe44af48f94b5e586@mail.gmail.com> <005201c6477a$2faff240$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603140718v4d0b25abmd1154ced936b81e7@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/06, pb at fedoracore.com.ar wrote: > Well, it seems that has a good reception. Yes the LiveCD could be the most > usefull option. Im trying to upload it since yesterday but in vain. Filip, is the ftp access ready? -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com Tue Mar 14 15:34:09 2006 From: filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com (Filip Tsachev) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:34:09 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603140718v4d0b25abmd1154ced936b81e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603132311.49730.nman64@n-man.com> <48746.219.89.109.32.1142313373.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <200603132349.43845.nman64@n-man.com> <002701c6476a$a106a2f0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> <7f617d270603140652j62cb0122pe44af48f94b5e586@mail.gmail.com> <005201c6477a$2faff240$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> <13dbfe4f0603140718v4d0b25abmd1154ced936b81e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 14/03/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Im trying to upload it since yesterday but in vain. > Filip, is the ftp access ready? I've been very busy, sorry about that. Try now with sftp (details in private mail) -- Cheers, Filip From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Tue Mar 14 17:42:35 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:42:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060314174235.41139.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do something different in Brazil, I made a cd copy for anyone, send for free (to all the country) but the person has to made a pact with me. He need to made a copy of the copy and distribute to a friend or co-worder. Is not a obrigation, is a request. It's working here, but I need to publish this idea in a better place. Rodrigo Menezes Filip Tsachev escreveu: On 14/03/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Im trying to upload it since yesterday but in vain. > Filip, is the ftp access ready? I've been very busy, sorry about that. Try now with sftp (details in private mail) -- Cheers, Filip -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 14 18:36:03 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:36:03 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: <20060314174235.41139.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060314174235.41139.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200603141236.06196.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 11:42, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I do something different in Brazil, I made a cd copy for anyone, send for > free (to all the country) but the person has to made a pact with me. He > need to made a copy of the copy and distribute to a friend or co-worder. Is > not a obrigation, is a request. > > It's working here, but I need to publish this idea in a better place. > That's an awesome idea! I've always loved viral marketing, and it has worked well in the past. Way to go! :-) -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is not a > obrigation, is a request. > > It's working here, but I need to publish this idea in a better place. > > Rodrigo Menezes Hey, that's exactly the idea for Free Media Project. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Rodrigo, please join the program if you haven't yet. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Tue Mar 14 20:06:21 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:06:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in the Streets In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603141140i376c3ccej2effdf4f7e4f8b19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060314200621.71819.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I joined this once, but someone remove me and I don't have access to edit this page. Can you help me? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes Thomas Chung escreveu: On 3/14/06, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I do something different in Brazil, I made a cd copy for anyone, send for > free (to all the country) but the person has to made a pact with me. He need > to made a copy of the copy and distribute to a friend or co-worder. Is not a > obrigation, is a request. > > It's working here, but I need to publish this idea in a better place. > > Rodrigo Menezes Hey, that's exactly the idea for Free Media Project. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Rodrigo, please join the program if you haven't yet. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please email me privately the problem you're having and I'll resolve it for you. -- Fedora Ambassadors Members Services. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Tue Mar 14 21:54:39 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:54:39 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] New FC5 Release and the Press Message-ID: Dear Friends, I know I am not often on the IRC or on the mailing list but I always makes know what Fedora is and how to use it to every potential users. I will create a wiki page about remarks I received during a presentation of Fedora when I went to a school few week ago. In addition, you could find my presentation on the migration from Unix to Linux at the following URL : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=UnixToFedoraLinux.pdf if something is wrong do not hesitate to tell me. Oh yes ! By the way, I think the "Fedora in the street" idea is quite clever. I am going to apply that when I met someone who is interested by Fedora. Finally as the FC5 is coming, I am going to spread the word to the belgian IT press. Just tell them that the new release will be available the 20th of march and give them link them to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press. If you have any comments about how to proceed to contact the press, feel free to contact me cause it will be the first time for me. Best Regards Fred http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"We will live with Dapper for five years--so let's give it a few extra weeks now so that it can be a real asset to the Ubuntu project for the full duration of its lifespan," Shuttleworth said. |more at: http://tinyurl.com/qvzmn| Yes!!! Is FC5 still planned for March 15? Best, -- David Barzilay From mario.gamboa at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 05:03:22 2006 From: mario.gamboa at gmail.com (Mario Gamboa) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:03:22 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] University Project Message-ID: <8eff45c0603142103p4fa1858el44cf254b4afd96fa@mail.gmail.com> hi all i need some help for start a new project here in mexico for one university in Tampico Tamaulipas they need the cutting edge technology developer system for databases The main idea i have to put fedora vs solaris because sun have say it i can make academy for you university my question is simple fedora project have a project like academy or simply is to add all user want to participate in the projec? 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Regards Abhishek Singh On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > > hi all i need some help for start a new project here in mexico for one > university in Tampico Tamaulipas they need the cutting edge technology > developer system for databases > > The main idea i have to put fedora vs solaris because sun have say it i > can make academy for you university my question is simple fedora project > have a project like academy or simply is to add all user want to participate > in the projec? > > Thanks a lot > > RHCT Mario Alberto Gamboa Pang > mgamboa at fedora.redhat.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, have a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Education Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Mario Gamboa Sent: Wed 15/03/2006 06:03 To: Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] University Project hi all i need some help for start a new project here in mexico for one university in Tampico Tamaulipas they need the cutting edge technology developer system for databases The main idea i have to put fedora vs solaris because sun have say it i can make academy for you university my question is simple fedora project have a project like academy or simply is to add all user want to participate in the projec? Thanks a lot RHCT Mario Alberto Gamboa Pang mgamboa at fedora.redhat.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rodrigo Menezes Thomas Chung escreveu: On 3/14/06, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I joined this once, but someone remove me and I don't have access to edit > this page. > > Can you help me? > > Thanks in advance, > > Rodrigo Menezes Of course, you come to right place. Please email me privately the problem you're having and I'll resolve it for you. -- Fedora Ambassadors Members Services. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you please > revise your question and mail us again? > > Regards > Abhishek Singh > > On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > > > hi all i need some help for start a new project here in mexico for one > university in Tampico Tamaulipas they need the cutting edge technology > developer system for databases > > The main idea i have to put fedora vs solaris because sun have say it i > can make academy for you university my question is simple fedora project > have a project like academy or simply is to add all user want to participate > in the projec? > > Thanks a lot > > RHCT Mario Alberto Gamboa Pang > mgamboa at fedora.redhat.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From your mail, it is > > understood that you want to introduce Fedora Core at the university to > > manage database systems. But your question is not so clear. 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I was planning my best to come What happened? -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 08:22:13 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:22:13 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] meeting today In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160006m46595febie7b2ee5818e68f85@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142488999.2923.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <13dbfe4f0603160006m46595febie7b2ee5818e68f85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603160022m2df4b6dfu674e317d20483489@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 3/16/06, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > > But please keep informed that we're not attending the Linuxtag neither > > as a Free Project nor with a FUDCon. The SC decided so but I agree with > > that decission. > > What ? > NO!! I was planning my best to come > What happened? Apparently, LinuxTag is not playing nice to Fedora Project. See last meeting minutes for more information. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2006-03-09 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 08:52:03 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:52:03 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] meeting today In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603160022m2df4b6dfu674e317d20483489@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142488999.2923.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <13dbfe4f0603160006m46595febie7b2ee5818e68f85@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603160022m2df4b6dfu674e317d20483489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160052j9e04907l12420c55aea79094@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > > > > What ? > > NO!! I was planning my best to come > > What happened? > > Apparently, LinuxTag is not playing nice to Fedora Project. > See last meeting minutes for more information. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2006-03-09 Money ? wow. I can't believe that big Famous distros like Fedora, Suse, OpenSuse, Debian and even RedHat won't be there. Last time at Karlsruhe, Suse/Opensuse really had success. I feel that this time it won't be that interresting to attend. Here in Strasbourg, our local event is having a bad time too. We don't have enough sponsors for the event. Nevertheless, Im responsible for the .org booths for the event. :) http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/jl4/stands-assoc Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Thu Mar 16 09:28:04 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:28:04 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RE: a Fedora Education Partner Message-ID: Hi Mario, Are you a teacher, student or external volunteer ? And what have you planned to do ? Now in order to answer your question, you have just to edit the corresponding wiki page and registered yourself then add the date of you next presentation, event, intervention at school. Oh, yes in order to do that, you have to be obviously a member of Fedora community. Now, if a school or university wish to be a partner, it should have internaly a group of teachers or students who are working or partcipating actively with the Fedora community. Then it efforts will be sumitted for approval by the community. It you have any questions remarks, feel free to contact me. Best Regards Fred -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----Original Message----- From: Mario Gamboa [mailto:mario.gamboa at sitelco.com.mx] Sent: Thu 16/03/2006 04:34 To: Hornain Frederic Subject: a Fedora Education Partner i would like to be a educator parther for mexico what i need to apply -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wk.20050201 at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 11:12:41 2006 From: wk.20050201 at gmail.com (Wassim K.) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:12:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Open Source day Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yesterday took place an Open Source day at l'?cole Nationale des Sciences de l'Informatique, an engineers school in Manouba (10 km from Tunis) organized by a Tunisian association DFSA http://www.dfsa.org.tn After the conferences and theorical debates, we moved to workshops where I had to present Fedora Core. The guests (almost all students) had no idea about what Fedora is, and were interested by SuSe and Mandriva. I could nevertheless convince some of them to assist at the Fedora Installation. All was fine along the configuration through the Anaconda GUI till the last step, then Anaconda crashed with a strange error: The partition is mounted so the installation will abort. Never happened to me before and I felt as ridiculous as Bill Gates did when 98 crashed. Very difficult when the only thing they know about Linux is the penguin. Anyway, I could quickly restart the procedure and the installation was without any problem. Later, some students came with their laptops wanting to install Fedora on their machines; I helped the ones I could and, it was already 18:15, I promised the others to come back to help them to install Fedora Core 5 once it's released. I could "convert" at least 7 people to install Fedora on their machines, explaining what SE Linux is, how stable, secure, user-friendly Fedora is, letting them trying different hardware on Fedora (Digital cameras, MP3 flash, Nokia's), I also explained to those familiar with old Redhat versions the efficiency of yum instead of the classical RPM "manual" installation. Newbies liked the Gnome interface with Blue Curve theme; I promised those who did not like the idea of substituting MP3 by OGG to install MP3 players and converters, all the DivX codecs and DVD players if they only dare install Fedora. Here was a report of my first activity as Fedora ambassador; next Open Source day will occure after one month, probably in another university. All suggestions are welcome so that I contribute to promote our distribution. Regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEGUf05dHs3elIuzoRAkMTAJoCGSBiE1N7IpJnJpynSHFYkSU0sgCfR+Wy wn/bqRXWQHfYtIQhD+/waQ0= =isJZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- http://fedora-tn.org From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 15:23:21 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:53:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Sorry for not being in the meeting today Message-ID: <200603162053.29847.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, Sorry I couldn't be there in the meeting today. My connection was down. I am ready for GNU/Linux Users Group Calicut event. Will leave tomorrow for Calicut. Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These could be hardcoded on > personally created live CDs for specific purposes. All of these things > are done in tui mode, before GDM comes up. > > Ping me again near FC5 release time for early access, I'll have to > discuss it w/ my team. > Hello Jesse, Here I am pinging you before the release, asking you whether if its possible for me to have the iso of FC5 before the official release. If yes, Ill won't let the actual livecd (FC5T3 based) available for download and would replace it by a FC5 based. Hence It would be released one hour after the Official Release of FC5 or maybe you will be the one to make the announcement for it :) You have my word that no one else will have the FC5 iso before the official release. Thank you, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 16:54:30 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:54:30 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Test Release -1 : A Fedora Live CD In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160853ga8a54bo852ba6a6a22c5d14@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603011529y3ae22c57i9574efc18993fd71@mail.gmail.com> <44062FA6.4050700@fedoraproject.org> <1141257938.31231.50.camel@ender> <13dbfe4f0603160853ga8a54bo852ba6a6a22c5d14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160854h6829a096w516ec037dfe9fb9a@mail.gmail.com> OH DEAR! -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 18:33:20 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:33:20 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Open Source day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0603161033r454085afy81144c1e1ef83409@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Wassim K. wrote: > Yesterday took place an Open Source day at l'?cole Nationale des > Sciences de l'Informatique, an engineers school in Manouba (10 km from > Tunis) organized by a Tunisian association DFSA http://www.dfsa.org.tn >.. > Here was a report of my first activity as Fedora ambassador; next Open > Source day will occure after one month, probably in another > university. All suggestions are welcome so that I contribute to > promote our distribution. Hi Wassim, Thank you for your report. However it seem this event was never been posted in our FedoraEvents page[1] and never been discussed in our regular IRC meetings[2]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Sorry, if I missed or wasn't aware of this event. In the future, please inform our Steering Committee so we can provide any help you need. Regards, BTW, please contact me privately for your Fedora Ambassadors Membership. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Mar 17 08:41:51 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:41:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag Message-ID: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> Last week and this week during the meetings we discussed about the media on which FC5 will be distributed. The Free Software Fundation is on our back, they want us to give the sources of the software FC packages. Let's give them what they want for FC5 ! Some of us think that a double layered DVD is more appropriate. Some of us think that adouble sided is more approrpiate. What about labelling? Let's debate now! ---------- My point of view : I think that we should ask for a double layered DVD, for the label to be printed largely and then be visible. This would bring clarity to our media. Cheers, Thomas Canniot From jfautley at redhat.com Fri Mar 17 10:24:47 2006 From: jfautley at redhat.com (Jon Fautley) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:24:47 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> Message-ID: <441A8E6F.2080803@redhat.com> Thomas Canniot wrote: > Some of us think that a double layered DVD is more appropriate. Some of > us think that adouble sided is more approrpiate. What about labelling? > > My point of view : I think that we should ask for a double layered DVD, > for the label to be printed largely and then be visible. This would > bring clarity to our media. +1 I really, really hate double-sided DVDs. They're difficult to use (inconsistent labeling, which side is source, which is binary?), and they're difficult to identify. Red Hat ships a double-sided DVD with their media kits, and I regularly lose them (they're hard to identify at a glance) or break them (I don't usually keep them in a case - lazyness on my part, I know). I also don't accept DVDs from vendors when they're double-sided because of the above. My 2% of your local currency. Jon -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 17 09:30:23 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:00:23 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> Message-ID: I think that firstly since we all are into spreading FOSS so the dvds(FC 5) should reach all of us as soon as possible so that we can distribute them by having one to one interaction wheather its at school,streets or common lugs. I think fedora on streets is a great initiative and we can have our local web portal(as discussed in the past meeting) where we can ship the DVDs to the local community who are in need for FOSS and provide them with ceratin howtos so that they become friendly with fedora. Secondly i also agree that double layered DVDs will be better since the logo is very important symbol for a community and also it symbolises the three key aspects of fedora community. On 3/17/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Last week and this week during the meetings we discussed about the media > on which FC5 will be distributed. > The Free Software Fundation is on our back, they want us to give the > sources of the software FC packages. Let's give them what they want for > FC5 ! > > Some of us think that a double layered DVD is more appropriate. Some of > us think that adouble sided is more approrpiate. What about labelling? > > Let's debate now! > > > ---------- > > > My point of view : I think that we should ask for a double layered DVD, > for the label to be printed largely and then be visible. This would > bring clarity to our media. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Thomas Canniot > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 17 11:32:44 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:32:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060317113244.7546.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with double layered DVDs. The logo is very important. Exemple: in a big conferece a user gets a lot of DVDs, one is Fedora with no logo. He'll arrive home with 100 DVDs, 50% has no logo, So, he will trow always what he don't know what it's. My 5 cents, Rodrigo Menezes puneet batura escreveu: I think that firstly since we all are into spreading FOSS so the dvds(FC 5) should reach all of us as soon as possible so that we can distribute them by having one to one interaction wheather its at school,streets or common lugs. I think fedora on streets is a great initiative and we can have our local web portal(as discussed in the past meeting) where we can ship the DVDs to the local community who are in need for FOSS and provide them with ceratin howtos so that they become friendly with fedora. Secondly i also agree that double layered DVDs will be better since the logo is very important symbol for a community and also it symbolises the three key aspects of fedora community. On 3/17/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: Last week and this week during the meetings we discussed about the media on which FC5 will be distributed. The Free Software Fundation is on our back, they want us to give the sources of the software FC packages. Let's give them what they want for FC5 ! Some of us think that a double layered DVD is more appropriate. Some of us think that adouble sided is more approrpiate. What about labelling? Let's debate now! ---------- My point of view : I think that we should ask for a double layered DVD, for the label to be printed largely and then be visible. This would bring clarity to our media. Cheers, Thomas Canniot -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 17 13:10:49 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:10:49 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> Message-ID: <200603171310.49235.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Friday 17 March 2006 08:41, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Last week and this week during the meetings we discussed about the media > on which FC5 will be distributed. > The Free Software Fundation is on our back, they want us to give the > sources of the software FC packages. Let's give them what they want for > FC5 ! > > Some of us think that a double layered DVD is more appropriate. Some of > us think that adouble sided is more approrpiate. What about labelling? > > Let's debate now! Do we *have* to give away the sources? Doing this will only increase the cost of producing the DVD (sometimes doubling the cost, at least), so that means there's less DVDs to go around. How many people will actually need the source? Can't you produce two seperate DVDs? One with the install, the other with the source? (That way, you're not giving the source to people who don't want it) Clair From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Fri Mar 17 14:07:26 2006 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:07:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Last week and this week during the meetings we discussed about the media > on which FC5 will be distributed. > The Free Software Fundation is on our back, they want us to give the > sources of the software FC packages. Let's give them what they want for > FC5 ! > > Some of us think that a double layered DVD is more appropriate. Some of > us think that adouble sided is more approrpiate. What about labelling? I think the important question is, do all DVD drives support double-layered? I'm afraid not. How much do we lose that way? And are we going to have PPC DVDs too? behdad > Let's debate now! > > > ---------- > > > My point of view : I think that we should ask for a double layered DVD, > for the label to be printed largely and then be visible. This would > bring clarity to our media. > > > Cheers, > > Thomas Canniot --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From mario.gamboa at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 15:26:56 2006 From: mario.gamboa at gmail.com (Mario Gamboa) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:26:56 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RE: a Fedora Education Partner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8eff45c0603170726v6e850628p184c892d1ebf2f6f@mail.gmail.com> i'm professor in university in this moment we need to take a decision about if the university can buy the redhat academy for this reason in case no authorize the budget for academy i want to have a 2nd option like fedora educator i need to know if fedora have like academy a web based manual or something like than or courses we can give to our students On 3/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > Hi Mario, > > Are you a teacher, student or external volunteer ? > And what have you planned to do ? > > Now in order to answer your question, you have just to edit the > corresponding wiki page and registered yourself then add the date of you > next presentation, event, intervention at school. > > Oh, yes in order to do that, you have to be obviously a member of Fedora > community. > > Now, if a school or university wish to be a partner, it should have > internaly a group of teachers or students who are working or partcipating > actively with the Fedora community. > Then it efforts will be sumitted for approval by the community. > > It you have any questions remarks, feel free to contact me. > > Best Regards > Fred > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mario Gamboa [mailto:mario.gamboa at sitelco.com.mx > ] > Sent: Thu 16/03/2006 04:34 > To: Hornain Frederic > Subject: a Fedora Education Partner > > i would like to be a educator parther for mexico what i need to apply > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Fri Mar 17 15:57:29 2006 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:57:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: <1142610680.8755.0.camel@linuxbox> References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> <1142610680.8755.0.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 09:07 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > I think the important question is, do all DVD drives support > > double-layered? I'm afraid not. How much do we lose that way? > > All of them, in theory... I was talking about in practice. But guess yeah, as many video DVDs are double-layered. Then I really don't see why we may do double-sided. > It is in the DVD standards So are DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, and bazillion others. Not all early drives handled them all. > > And are we going to have PPC DVDs too? > > Of course Neat. --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From redbyte.labs at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 16:55:00 2006 From: redbyte.labs at gmail.com (REDbyte Labs) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Teaching.... teachers! Message-ID: Hi! I haven't been in the list for a long time - so I'm sorry if someone already asked question like that. So this year I'm graduating from high school, but I still can't encourige my teachers and school administration to make a desicion about moving from pirated version of Win98 to Fedora. I tried hard, but they afraid that they should learn new OS and change all their tests and control works for students. They even don't want to try installing it. What should I do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But guess yeah, as many video > DVDs are double-layered. > > Then I really don't see why we may do double-sided. > > > It is in the DVD standards > > So are DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, and bazillion others. > Not all early drives handled them all. > > > > And are we going to have PPC DVDs too? > > > > Of course > > Neat. > > --behdad > http://behdad.org/ > > "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" > -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redbyte.labs at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 17:32:26 2006 From: redbyte.labs at gmail.com (REDbyte Labs) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:32:26 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Guest Star Message-ID: Hi everyone! Some news about Uzbek Linux Users Community. First of all we've finally finished our website - linuxcenter.uz. And It's time to make another Linux party for all our big community. Last party I've advertised FC4 a lot - most of young linuxoids have installed FC on ther desktops. Maybe it's time for Fedora Linux Forum in Tashkent. So I want to ask - could someone from Red Hat or Fedora come and read presentation or lection and take part in our holliday of all pinguins. So in fact we could organize everything - we need only a "Guest Star" to make Forum or Party more interesting. Regards, REDbyte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thulshof at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 17:50:38 2006 From: thulshof at gmail.com (Thijs Hulshof) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:50:38 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> <1142610680.8755.0.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <9590b2a80603170950m615e3f9bxc82fe2adbd5656a3@mail.gmail.com> I don't think distributing also the sources is a good idea. Most users do not use it, and the users who want the sources do know how to download it. On 3/17/06, REDbyte Labs wrote: > > Let's use double-layer DVD - they are more easy-to-use that double-sided > DVDs. And idea of distributing source codes with binaries is nice. > > Regards, > > REDbyte > > 2006/3/17, Behdad Esfahbod : > > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 09:07 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > > I think the important question is, do all DVD drives support > > > > double-layered? I'm afraid not. How much do we lose that way? > > > > > > All of them, in theory... > > > > I was talking about in practice. But guess yeah, as many video > > DVDs are double-layered. > > > > Then I really don't see why we may do double-sided. > > > > > It is in the DVD standards > > > > So are DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, and bazillion others. > > Not all early drives handled them all. > > > > > > And are we going to have PPC DVDs too? > > > > > > Of course > > > > Neat. > > > > --behdad > > http://behdad.org/ > > > > "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will > > Spill" > > -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Fri Mar 17 17:53:40 2006 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:53:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 media schwag In-Reply-To: References: <441A764F.7020408@laposte.net> <1142610680.8755.0.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: What about the other idea, burning live AND installer stuff on one DVD? The three of them may even fit on a double-layered, if we've not grown beyond four CDs... --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From thulshof at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 17:33:10 2006 From: thulshof at gmail.com (Thijs Hulshof) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:33:10 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Teaching.... teachers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9590b2a80603170933w6820ee1aj1de604890aab08d6@mail.gmail.com> Give them a Fedora DVD/CD's, or put a Fedora LiveCD in the computer at you school, and show how nice Linux is ! You can also ask the system administrators to install Fedora on just a few computers, so interested people can have a look at it. Maybe, if you say that it is very important that students see that Windows isn't the only operating system on the world, they will give it a try. Ah.. also tell them about dual-boot, and the possibility to remove Fedora when the don't like it ! On 3/17/06, REDbyte Labs wrote: > > Hi! I haven't been in the list for a long time - so I'm sorry if someone > already asked question like that. So this year I'm graduating from high > school, but I still can't encourige my teachers and school administration to > make a desicion about moving from pirated version of Win98 to Fedora. I > tried hard, but they afraid that they should learn new OS and change all > their tests and control works for students. They even don't want to try > installing it. What should I do? > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 17 19:10:23 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:10:23 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] An idea re ambassadors Message-ID: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Those paying attention would've noticed that one problem I am having with ambassadors is that there is too much focus on events (big or small), rather than just telling people on the street, in your workplace, at your school about fedora. So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and telling people on the street won't be neglected. I'd be willing to run the project. What does everyone think? From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 17 19:33:26 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:33:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603171133n2ae24bc0v26f8519d700e3e16@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Clair wrote: > Those paying attention would've noticed that one problem I am having with > ambassadors is that there is too much focus on events (big or small), rather > than just telling people on the street, in your workplace, at your school > about fedora. +1 I think this should be about 70% of any ambassadors contribution listen to Fedora Reloaded 4 Podcast as from 16:00 minutes > So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go > around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's > questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be > about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. Honesty I don't want to break the ambassador project into two parts but instead let's include it within the ambassador project. > This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and > telling people on the street won't be neglected. > > I'd be willing to run the project. > > > What does everyone think? you will have my support too. :) remember, this should be well documented, at least with q&a :) Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From david at gnsa.us Fri Mar 17 20:00:04 2006 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:00:04 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <441B1544.3000903@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Clair wrote: > Those paying attention would've noticed that one problem I am having with > ambassadors is that there is too much focus on events (big or small), rather > than just telling people on the street, in your workplace, at your school > about fedora. > > So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go > around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's > questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be > about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. > > This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and > telling people on the street won't be neglected. > > I'd be willing to run the project. Let me preface my remarks by saying that I am a newb to this list and a newb Ambassador, and my comments represent no one but myself and are worth exactly what you paid for them. So what you are advocating is Fedora Zealots, or perhaps Fedora Evangelists? Regardless I personally think it's a bit short sighted. I think your "problem" with the Ambassadors is a non-issue. I think it's more of an issue of perception than a real problem. Because we dedicate so much time to discussing a conference with thousands of people it APPEARS that is our main focus. It is far more complicated to setup FUDCONs and LinuxWorld in that it requires more people, time, resources and discussion than an individual Ambassador giving a presentation to a local LUG, or providing flyers or media to a library or school. I completely concur with your one-to-one contact ideas. I think they are probably more effective than events when considered on an individual basis. But at the same time, I don't need to talk about, or coordinate my one-on-one efforts for 30 minutes on IRC during meetings, or flood the list asking for help. I also think that creating a second list makes things more complicated, it's already complicated enough dealing with the plethora of lists that most of us are subscribed to, who needs another one? In addition it's bound to divide, and one list or the other will lose some valuable contribution, and the two are really quite related, separated only by the quantity of audience and resources thrown at it. Furthermore, what's really going to be discussed by such a list? How to talk to people about Fedora??? How to bring the Ubuntu(or any other distro) heathens into the knowledge of the salvation of Fedora? I don't mean to sound incredulous, but really, how much list traffic and irc traffic can you generate? Besides, people who are excited about Fedora are going to tell people, and talk to people, and convert people, and they don't necessarily need swag to do it. But of course, really, the problem is one of perception. David Nalley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEGxVEkZOYj+cNI1cRAnxbAJwM5CVH6l5524+fXuoNImVoccZ+EgCfQajl 3K9NjpHCUZQjS6qu6Q+3Pc8= =emeo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 17 20:10:57 2006 From: puneet_batura at users.sourceforge.net (puneet batura) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:40:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: <1142209819.4234.4.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> <1142209819.4234.4.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: Dear David, As per our discuusion i have updated the templates.The new ones are located here: http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template1/index.html http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template2/index.html http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template3/index.html http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template4/index.html http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template5/index.html And as far as the flash open source developemnt is concerned the link is here: http://www.actionscript.com/Article/tabid/54/ArticleID/towards-open-source-flash-development/Default.aspx Thanks u all for u r valuable feedback. Any suggestions with respect to the template designs will be highly appreciated! On 3/13/06, David Barzilay wrote: > > Em Dom, 2006-03-12 ?s 22:54 +0545, Abhishek Singh escreveu: > > Dear Punit, > > Your designs are all well and it seems you are a bit > > interested in Flash animation. The animation I liked most is of > > template 4. Could you please try with different colours instead of > > orange. > > +1! Animation is looking great! I enjoyed the words and the font, but > the orange background is an external element to Fedora's new look. > > Best, > -- > db > > > I would like you to experiment with blue background and off-white > > text. Moreover we should as well give place to other web elements on > > the page, as the flash animation alone won't do much. > > > > Let me wait for your new tweaked designs. > > > > Regards > > Abhishek Singh > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Puneet Batura Open Source Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 17 21:01:27 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:01:27 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <441B1544.3000903@gnsa.us> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441B1544.3000903@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <200603172101.27665.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Friday 17 March 2006 20:00, David Nalley wrote: > Let me preface my remarks by saying that I am a newb to this list and a > newb Ambassador, and my comments represent no one but myself and are > worth exactly what you paid for them. Welcome :) > So what you are advocating is Fedora Zealots, or perhaps Fedora > Evangelists? Regardless I personally think it's a bit short sighted. > I think your "problem" with the Ambassadors is a non-issue. I think it's > more of an issue of perception than a real problem. Because we dedicate > so much time to discussing a conference with thousands of people it > APPEARS that is our main focus. It is far more complicated to setup > FUDCONs and LinuxWorld in that it requires more people, time, resources > and discussion than an individual Ambassador giving a presentation to a > local LUG, or providing flyers or media to a library or school. Sure.. but the latter never gets discussed, and these people still should get support. atm these people can't get free swag. > I > completely concur with your one-to-one contact ideas. I think they are > probably more effective than events when considered on an individual > basis. But at the same time, I don't need to talk about, or coordinate > my one-on-one efforts for 30 minutes on IRC during meetings, or flood > the list asking for help. Mailing the list cannot, and should not, be seen as 'flooding'. There should be support given to anyone whatever they want to do. > I also think that creating a second list makes things more complicated, > it's already complicated enough dealing with the plethora of lists that > most of us are subscribed to, who needs another one? In addition it's > bound to divide, and one list or the other will lose some valuable > contribution, and the two are really quite related, separated only by > the quantity of audience and resources thrown at it. Furthermore, what's > really going to be discussed by such a list? How to talk to people about > Fedora??? How to bring the Ubuntu(or any other distro) heathens into the > knowledge of the salvation of Fedora? I don't mean to sound incredulous, > but really, how much list traffic and irc traffic can you generate? > Besides, people who are excited about Fedora are going to tell people, > and talk to people, and convert people, and they don't necessarily need > swag to do it. There are no plans to make a list/channel, or to not make a list/channel. Clair From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sat Mar 18 20:49:07 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:49:07 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora meeting Message-ID: Sorry i've forgot the meeting, i don't know why. Sorry Francesco Ugolini From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 18 21:00:13 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:00:13 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603181300n67ae526eud15e29529cfdc9c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/18/06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Sorry i've forgot the meeting, i don't know why. > > Sorry > > Francesco Ugolini There was a meeting today? -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sat Mar 18 20:59:35 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:59:35 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora meeting In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603181300n67ae526eud15e29529cfdc9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603181300n67ae526eud15e29529cfdc9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62B87F21-9512-48DC-9F17-20DA11798177@fedora.redhat.com> The wednsday meeting, i remember only now that i've lost this meeting. Il giorno 18/mar/06, alle ore 22:00, Chitlesh GOORAH ha scritto: > On 3/18/06, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> Sorry i've forgot the meeting, i don't know why. >> >> Sorry >> >> Francesco Ugolini > > There was a meeting today? > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 18 21:05:04 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:05:04 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora meeting In-Reply-To: <62B87F21-9512-48DC-9F17-20DA11798177@fedora.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603181300n67ae526eud15e29529cfdc9c@mail.gmail.com> <62B87F21-9512-48DC-9F17-20DA11798177@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603181305m6ea11d19yec19c8cdb986381d@mail.gmail.com> ah ok. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From pmckelvey at zoomtown.com Sat Mar 18 21:23:09 2006 From: pmckelvey at zoomtown.com (Pat McKelvey) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:23:09 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. Message-ID: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> David: I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter. I agree completely. I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on the 16 and was loudly ignored. There may be too many competing agendas in this situation. I see being an ambassador as being the personal face on Linux (fedora or other). I do not feel like I want to be the unpaid sales staff of any of the various companies that have paid staff. Let the paid staff go to the Big Conferences and Man or Woman the Booths. That kind of thing gets old quick. I'll work, one on one, with the local users group. I'm trying to find a way to smuggle Linux into the Cincinnati School System, which is all Windows now. I'm working on the Cincinnati Computer Coop which rebuilds computers for schools and non-profit organizations. I may end up creating a intro to Linux course for them. I have made up the contents of three college courses, at the same time as teaching them. Doing one course should be easy, just so long as it doesn't get into the policy part of SELinux. I agree with your voice of sanity. Your ideas are sound and let's see if we can't stir up some more support for the one-on-one approach. I won't "dis", as my daughter says, anyone using another distro. Being a licensed Professional Engineer, having personally designed and made an integrated circuit as my senior EE project, having taught College for 3 years, been on the ANSI 70B committee (National Electrical Code - Maintenance) for 2 years, being a Lapsed MCNE, and having 2 pages of computer courses on my resume, I can give expert testimony in a Court downtown, but I can't get heard over the noise about "getting schwag". I want to get back to helping people learn about Linux and all the neat things that can be done on it. How much opportunity this open operating system offers, someone who is curious, the chance to learn and grow. I believe that the world needs more people who want to tinker and learn. I want to be in on that excitement and growing. I want to pass along what I have learned in 20 years in computers to those who are interested. As I believe I said at the Ambassador's meeting, my drawer is full enough of T-shirts. Perhaps being of Irish extraction, my temper gets the better of me. I probably need to go and have a last green beer left over from St. Patrick's Day (I'm Buddhist). Pat -- Fedora Ambassador to the Midwest USA Patrick C. McKelvey PE (License E-45489 expires 12/31/2006) 3315 Ashwood Dr. Cincinnati, OH 45213 pmckelvey at fedoraproject.org pmckelvey at zoomtown.com GnuPG - DSA - 9b7e48b3 at pgp.mit.edu From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 18 22:44:02 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:44:02 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> Message-ID: <200603182244.02774.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Saturday 18 March 2006 21:23, Pat McKelvey wrote: > David: > > I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter. I > agree completely. I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on > the 16 and was loudly ignored. There may be too many competing agendas > in this situation. [snip for sake of length] I agree totally with everything you have to say here - there is indeed too much noise in the ambassadors project. Unless you're doing a big event, you won't get heard. I'm trying to do something... be it another project inside marketing (as ambassadors is part of marketing), or another part of ambassadors... that will let the ambassador get support (be it slideshows, advice, or DVDs). I'm still waiting on the steering committee to get back to me, though. Clair From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 19 01:11:40 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:11:40 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] meeting today In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160052j9e04907l12420c55aea79094@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142488999.2923.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <13dbfe4f0603160006m46595febie7b2ee5818e68f85@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603160022m2df4b6dfu674e317d20483489@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603160052j9e04907l12420c55aea79094@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603181711l7aaa7734jdca2056875cb3449@mail.gmail.com> Updates concerning Linuxtag Wiesbaden: from our wiki page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2006-03-09 They have invited 50 open source projects, but not OpenSuse, Novell, Debian, Fedora, Red Hat It is confirmed that Debian will be attending linuxtag this year, along with a possible Debian Day http://lists.infodrom.org/debian-events-de/2006/0125.html http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxTag2006 We have to update our wiki page. The question here lies "Will linuxtag mostly be a DEB date?" :( -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 17:13:39 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:13:39 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/18/06, Pat McKelvey wrote: > I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter. I > agree completely. I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on > the 16 and was loudly ignored. There may be too many competing agendas > in this situation. Pat, all-- If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion. A quick aside: as our meetings are well-attended, we have to stick to rules like that so the meetings are kept to a healthy level of noise :) However, to do justice to folks who already do "un-events," let me mention briefly at least some of such initiatives which are already well on the way: Chitlesh Goorah with his Kadischi and Fedora Libraries initiatives David Nalley promoting Kadischi Rahul Sundaram and Francesco Ugolini building an interactive tour of the new release Rahul Sundaram helping create and publish presentations for Ambassadors Pablo Barrera and others pursuing their Fedora in the Streets project finally Thomas Chung and I putting together a video contest to promote free media format support in Fedora -- This is just a quick selection of the initiatives that come to mind -- there are more, just look through the list archives. I understand your concern that Ambassadors are concentrating on the event too much, but events is almost like a default option, but all of us can and should come up with other ways to represent Fedora to the people out there. So please add your question/topic to the schedule and let us discuss how the Ambassadors project can support initiatives other than events in our next meeting. Thank you, Alex From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 19 17:20:16 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:20:16 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:13, Alex Maier wrote: > On 3/18/06, Pat McKelvey wrote: > > I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter. I > > agree completely. I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on > > the 16 and was loudly ignored. There may be too many competing agendas > > in this situation. > > Pat, all-- > > If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule > entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule > You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion. But that's only for events. > However, to do justice to folks who already do "un-events," let me > mention briefly at least some of such initiatives which are already > well on the way: > > Chitlesh Goorah with his Kadischi and Fedora Libraries initiatives > David Nalley promoting Kadischi > Rahul Sundaram and Francesco Ugolini building an interactive tour of > the new release > Rahul Sundaram helping create and publish presentations for Ambassadors > Pablo Barrera and others pursuing their Fedora in the Streets project > finally Thomas Chung and I putting together a video contest to promote > free media format support in Fedora -- Only two of these are ambassador related. > This is just a quick selection of the initiatives that come to mind -- > there are more, just look through the list archives. ...which 99% of is noise and should go to marketing. > I understand your concern that Ambassadors are concentrating on the > event too much, but events is almost like a default option, but all of > us can and should come up with other ways to represent Fedora to the > people out there. You're confusing "Not events" with "Marketing". Clair From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 18:08:19 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:38:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] 3 Simple Questions Message-ID: <1142791699.14988.8.camel@linuxbox> Hey, when I met someone at an event, who was interested in being an Ambassadors, but wasn't sure, I asked him these 3 Simple Questions. I finally wrote them down here http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/3SimpleQuestion tell me what I can improve, or if I should pull the document. This is just my opinions Oh - and for those of you who missed this on Fedora People - http://tejasd.livejournal.com/11621.html Gja -- Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com http://www.gja.in Don't let people drive you crazy when you know it's in walking distance. From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 19 20:29:32 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:29:32 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603191229s61f23cddj6c507cec47f0a11b@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, Alex Maier wrote: > However, to do justice to folks who already do "un-events," let me > mention briefly at least some of such initiatives which are already > well on the way: > > Chitlesh Goorah with his Kadischi and Fedora Libraries initiatives > David Nalley promoting Kadischi > Rahul Sundaram and Francesco Ugolini building an interactive tour of > the new release > Rahul Sundaram helping create and publish presentations for Ambassadors > Pablo Barrera and others pursuing their Fedora in the Streets project > finally Thomas Chung and I putting together a video contest to promote > free media format support in Fedora -- > > This is just a quick selection of the initiatives that come to mind -- > there are more, just look through the list archives. All, I just added "Fedora Community Free Media Project" to our Schedule[1] since the program[2] will be launched *officially* on FC5 Release Date. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 23:27:32 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:27:32 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> <1142209819.4234.4.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603191527t73f9979dhcb3a2ec516cd1c2e@mail.gmail.com> Puneet, These animations look great! I only have noticed one typo--on the slide before last it says "A open community" -- it should say "An open community" instead. Thanks, Alex On 3/17/06, puneet batura wrote: > > Dear David, > > As per our discuusion i have updated the templates.The new ones are located > here: > http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template1/index.html > http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template2/index.html > http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template3/index.html > http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template4/index.html > http://www.geocities.com/puneet_batura/fedora/template5/index.html > > And as far as the flash open source developemnt is concerned the link is > here: > http://www.actionscript.com/Article/tabid/54/ArticleID/towards-open-source-flash-development/Default.aspx > > Thanks u all for u r valuable feedback. Any suggestions with respect to the > template designs will be highly appreciated! > > > > On 3/13/06, David Barzilay wrote: > > Em Dom, 2006-03-12 ?s 22:54 +0545, Abhishek Singh escreveu: > > > Dear Punit, > > > Your designs are all well and it seems you are a bit > > > interested in Flash animation. The animation I liked most is of > > > template 4. Could you please try with different colours instead of > > > orange. > > > > +1! Animation is looking great! I enjoyed the words and the font, but > > the orange background is an external element to Fedora's new look. > > > > Best, > > -- > > db > > > > > I would like you to experiment with blue background and off-white > > > text. Moreover we should as well give place to other web elements on > > > the page, as the flash animation alone won't do much. > > > > > > Let me wait for your new tweaked designs. > > > > > > Regards > > > Abhishek Singh > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > > Puneet Batura > Open Source Developer > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 23:32:57 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:32:57 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Oportunity to grown up fedora In-Reply-To: <8eff45c0603142108w1ab92dbr4217ed5d534b68e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <8eff45c0603142108w1ab92dbr4217ed5d534b68e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603191532w1f1b5460wd00045b9eb79c75c@mail.gmail.com> This is great initiative Mario! Keep up the good work! Alex On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > i have the task to distribute the fedora core 4 waiting for fedora 5 next > week :) > > i start to give to all people i know a copy and i go to university to give > information about the beneficie of fedora i need some help about project > made it in fedora in another university and how it make reduce of cost to > the university > > Because here in tampico linux is start to grown up i have webserver mail > server linux embeded and a project with asterisk opensouce made it in > fedora core 4 > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 19 23:33:12 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:33:12 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603191527t73f9979dhcb3a2ec516cd1c2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603191527t73f9979dhcb3a2ec516cd1c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603192333.12246.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:27, Alex Maier wrote: > Puneet, > > These animations look great! I only have noticed one typo--on the > slide before last it says "A open community" -- it should say "An open > community" instead. Of course, the only problem being it's *flash* which is *not* free and is *not* part of Fedora. Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 23:34:57 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] University Project In-Reply-To: <8eff45c0603151508g599102e6u21cc1a52fdabab47@mail.gmail.com> References: <8eff45c0603142103p4fa1858el44cf254b4afd96fa@mail.gmail.com> <73396bd30603150027y5543bfe9r576a6b863c84ac06@mail.gmail.com> <8eff45c0603151329u24293e53hc953655c12928f38@mail.gmail.com> <8eff45c0603151508g599102e6u21cc1a52fdabab47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603191534q2e32bf9cx767d2a6ac51dd821@mail.gmail.com> Mario, Fred, I think you guys need to talk :) Cheers, a On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > i found it is the > > Fedora Education project > how i can apply to fedora Education Partner i need some assitence in it > > > > On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > > > > ah ok the question is if fedora project have a academy like a redhat > academy for students? > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Abhishek Singh < aks.abhishek at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mario, > > > Thankyou for your interest in Fedora. From your mail, it is > understood that you want to introduce Fedora Core at the university to > manage database systems. But your question is not so clear. Could you please > revise your question and mail us again? > > > > > > Regards > > > Abhishek Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa < mario.gamboa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi all i need some help for start a new project here in mexico for one > university in Tampico Tamaulipas they need the cutting edge technology > developer system for databases > > > > > > The main idea i have to put fedora vs solaris because sun have say it i > can make academy for you university my question is simple fedora project > have a project like academy or simply is to add all user want to participate > in the projec? > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > RHCT Mario Alberto Gamboa Pang > > > mgamboa at fedora.redhat.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Mon Mar 20 00:00:21 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:00:21 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: <200603192333.12246.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603191527t73f9979dhcb3a2ec516cd1c2e@mail.gmail.com> <200603192333.12246.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603200000.21903.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:33, Clair wrote: > On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:27, Alex Maier wrote: > > Puneet, > > > > These animations look great! I only have noticed one typo--on the > > slide before last it says "A open community" -- it should say "An open > > community" instead. > > Of course, the only problem being it's *flash* which is *not* free and is > *not* part of Fedora. Also... what is this doing on the ambassadors list? Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 05:17:07 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:17:07 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: <200603192333.12246.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603191527t73f9979dhcb3a2ec516cd1c2e@mail.gmail.com> <200603192333.12246.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <7f617d270603192117q708f1891wd4679dbc3b354ace@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, Clair wrote: > On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:27, Alex Maier wrote: > > Puneet, > > > > These animations look great! I only have noticed one typo--on the > > slide before last it says "A open community" -- it should say "An open > > community" instead. > > Of course, the only problem being it's *flash* which is *not* free and is > *not* part of Fedora. Windows users are the main audience for us, not the Linux converts, and Flash is what Windows boxes support out of the box--not OGG. Preaching to the quoir might be more satisfying, but it is not very far-sighted in the long term. a From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 05:29:31 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:29:31 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <7f617d270603192129y62a5472o279bf4e768c6c7cf@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, Clair wrote: > On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:13, Alex Maier wrote: > > If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule > > entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule > > You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion. > > But that's only for events. With all due respect Clair, this is not true, please check for yourself, there are more then just events on the schedule. Thank you, Alex From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 05:37:43 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:37:43 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Guest Star In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270603192137y29674745qa458ea5c1b414f7a@mail.gmail.com> This is a task worthy of an Ambassador--even though we might not have enough money to fly in people from across the world, we might find some funds for regional travel. Red Byte, do you know anyone in your region (former Soviet Union) who is known in Uzbekistan and would make a good speaker? We might help you get him/her there... Cheers, a On 3/17/06, REDbyte Labs wrote: > Hi everyone! Some news about Uzbek Linux Users Community. First of all we've > finally finished our website - linuxcenter.uz. And It's time to make another > Linux party for all our big community. Last party I've advertised FC4 a lot > - most of young linuxoids have installed FC on ther desktops. Maybe it's > time for Fedora Linux Forum in Tashkent. So I want to ask - could someone > from Red Hat or Fedora come and read presentation or lection and take part > in our holliday of all pinguins. So in fact we could organize everything - > we need only a "Guest Star" to make Forum or Party more interesting. > > Regards, > > REDbyte > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Mar 20 08:37:02 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 02:37:02 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About Fedora Web Template In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603192117q708f1891wd4679dbc3b354ace@mail.gmail.com> References: <73396bd30603120909n79ae3408kbe1c61e54f2865e0@mail.gmail.com> <200603192333.12246.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603192117q708f1891wd4679dbc3b354ace@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603200237.04671.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:17, "Alex Maier" wrote: > On 3/19/06, Clair wrote: > > On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:27, Alex Maier wrote: > > > Puneet, > > > > > > These animations look great! I only have noticed one typo--on the > > > slide before last it says "A open community" -- it should say "An open > > > community" instead. > > > > Of course, the only problem being it's *flash* which is *not* free and is > > *not* part of Fedora. > > Windows users are the main audience for us, not the Linux converts, > and Flash is what Windows boxes support out of the box--not OGG. > Preaching to the quoir might be more satisfying, but it is not very > far-sighted in the long term. > a > I won't blindly say that we should only use OGG, but I also won't stand behind using Flash. There is absolutely no reason we should be using any template that cannot be viewed on a Fedora system. It is entirely possible to produce a great site without using any Flash or OGG features. Before anyone mentions it, the same is also true of GIF. I frankly grow tired of people that build high-demand websites using Flash and other animation technologies, but fail to account for the percentage of users who do not have the ability or desire to use Flash or other such technologies. It is our duty to practice what we preach. We should try to use only open technologies, and should try to avoid excluding anyone without an established need to do so. I've been designing, building, and maintaining websites for years, and I can safely say that the best websites don't use Flash animations or any sort of movies. Every time you use Flash, Java, OGG, GIF, WMV, or any other animation or video format without a real need, you lose a sector of your audience. It could be due to technological limitations, physical limitations, or an intentional desire to avoid these technologies. When you focus on designing for aesthetics, you will usually end up losing accessibility and interface design features. You'd be amazed at what you can accomplish without Flash or other animation technologies. We have two reasons to avoid Flash: 1. It is a proprietary technology that is not natively supported by Fedora, and may also be unavailable on other systems. 2. Using Flash reduces overall accessibility of a site. Offering alternatives mitigates this issue to a limited extent. We have two reasons to avoid OGG: 1. Despite being an open format, it is not fully supported on some platforms. It is not supported on base installations of Microsoft Windows, which may represent a large segment of our target audience. 2. Using OGG reduces overall accessibility of a site. Offering alternatives mitigates this issue to a limited extent. In my opinion, we cannot justify using these technologies for websites. For more about website accessibility: http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ http://www.section508.gov/ We can do just about anything using standard web technologies, including HTML, CSS, and even AJAX. Anything that cannot be done or should not be done using standard web technologies can be done using open formats. The OpenDocument formats are as easy to gain access to on Windows platforms as Microsoft Word formats are. Obtaining OGG support on Windows is also very easy, but we shouldn't need to do too much with videos. Any time you think you need to use a technology that is somehow limited, try to ask yourself if there is another, better way to do it. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gja -- Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com http://www.gja.in You will always find something in the last place you look. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 20 08:53:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:23:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <441E6D85.4060301@fedoraproject.org> Clair wrote: >On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:13, Alex Maier wrote: > > >>On 3/18/06, Pat McKelvey wrote: >> >> >>>I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter. I >>>agree completely. I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on >>>the 16 and was loudly ignored. There may be too many competing agendas >>>in this situation. >>> >>> >>Pat, all-- >> >>If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule >>entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule >>You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion. >> >> > >But that's only for events. > > No. Its not. Anything that needs to be discussed can be and should be added to the schedule page. If anyone wants to track only events, they should use this page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents instead. Everyone is free to discuss and lead any initiatives they want to within the Ambassadors project. -- Rahul From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 09:09:24 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:39:24 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Teaching.... teachers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441E7144.6030501@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 REDbyte Labs wrote: > Hi! I haven't been in the list for a long time - so I'm sorry if someone > already asked question like that. So this year I'm graduating from high > school, but I still can't encourige my teachers and school > administration to make a desicion about moving from pirated version of > Win98 to Fedora. I tried hard, but they afraid that they should learn > new OS and change all their tests and control works for students. They > even don't want to try installing it. What should I do? Hmm....why would the teachers want to move to Fedora ? Should that not cause a whole lot of pain for the SysAdmins, Teachers and of course the students in terms of learning new things and maintaining the system ? :) That said - you could begin by doing the following: o List out the everyday tasks/regular tasks that the OS environment is supposed to perform o What are the various services that are being provided o How do the various users - students, teachers use the OS environment - From thereon, the way forward would be to provide a small setup where all the above things can be demonstrated with ease. This would require the buy-in of some teachers and students (since you cannot take care of the systems 24x7) Regards Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEHnFDXQZpNTcrCzMRAnNgAJ4/BjZQ4I/EX0gXCpugBzc11eJEHACgiiAm ESOmkOzJTnbqRqgaEANtvGQ= =g6VK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 20 09:18:48 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:18:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <441E6D85.4060301@fedoraproject.org> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441E6D85.4060301@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603200118v55c9411ke9a969d89fea3dd7@mail.gmail.com> This might not be related here, but anyway, Today, it's a big event for the Fedora Project; I'm looking for OFFICIAL "announcement" materials ( MAYBE a summary of the will-be official announcement ? ) which I can paste on lug's mailing list/forums, once FC5 has be officially announced. Eventually, it could be translated into different languages. any link ? just to end, its NOT meant to spam mailing list! It is meant to - spread the word, from an ambassador to other linux users - show we at the Fedora Project are professional Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Mon Mar 20 09:42:30 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:42:30 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] University Project Message-ID: Alex, I have already taken contact with Mario and told him that he was welcome to the Fedora Education Group. Mario, If you need more details, information you can reach me via mail. Waiting after your questions. Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: Alex Maier [mailto:lxmaier at gmail.com] Sent: Mon 20/03/2006 00:34 To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com; Hornain Frederic; mario.gamboa at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] University Project Mario, Fred, I think you guys need to talk :) Cheers, a On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > i found it is the > > Fedora Education project > how i can apply to fedora Education Partner i need some assitence in it > > > > On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa wrote: > > > > ah ok the question is if fedora project have a academy like a redhat > academy for students? > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Abhishek Singh < aks.abhishek at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mario, > > > Thankyou for your interest in Fedora. From your mail, it is > understood that you want to introduce Fedora Core at the university to > manage database systems. But your question is not so clear. Could you please > revise your question and mail us again? > > > > > > Regards > > > Abhishek Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Mario Gamboa < mario.gamboa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi all i need some help for start a new project here in mexico for one > university in Tampico Tamaulipas they need the cutting edge technology > developer system for databases > > > > > > The main idea i have to put fedora vs solaris because sun have say it i > can make academy for you university my question is simple fedora project > have a project like academy or simply is to add all user want to participate > in the projec? > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > RHCT Mario Alberto Gamboa Pang > > > mgamboa at fedora.redhat.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redbyte.labs at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 10:58:20 2006 From: redbyte.labs at gmail.com (REDbyte Labs) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:58:20 +0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Teaching.... teachers! In-Reply-To: <441E7144.6030501@gmail.com> References: <441E7144.6030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Scholl computers are kinda old - P2 with 64 mb of RAM - so KDE certanly would work very slow on them. What window manager to chose. What about Enlightment? 2006/3/20, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > REDbyte Labs wrote: > > Hi! I haven't been in the list for a long time - so I'm sorry if someone > > already asked question like that. So this year I'm graduating from high > > school, but I still can't encourige my teachers and school > > administration to make a desicion about moving from pirated version of > > Win98 to Fedora. I tried hard, but they afraid that they should learn > > new OS and change all their tests and control works for students. They > > even don't want to try installing it. What should I do? > > Hmm....why would the teachers want to move to Fedora ? Should that not > cause a whole lot of pain for the SysAdmins, Teachers and of course the > students in terms of learning new things and maintaining the system ? > > :) > > That said - you could begin by doing the following: > > o List out the everyday tasks/regular tasks that the OS environment is > supposed to perform > o What are the various services that are being provided > o How do the various users - students, teachers use the OS environment > > - From thereon, the way forward would be to provide a small setup where > all the above things can be demonstrated with ease. This would require > the buy-in of some teachers and students (since you cannot take care of > the systems 24x7) > > Regards > Sankarshan > > > > - -- > > You see things; and you say 'Why?'; > But I dream things that never were; > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEHnFDXQZpNTcrCzMRAnNgAJ4/BjZQ4I/EX0gXCpugBzc11eJEHACgiiAm > ESOmkOzJTnbqRqgaEANtvGQ= > =g6VK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From redbyte.labs at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 11:01:43 2006 From: redbyte.labs at gmail.com (REDbyte Labs) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:01:43 +0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Guest Star In-Reply-To: <1142844187.17931.3.camel@linuxbox> References: <7f617d270603192137y29674745qa458ea5c1b414f7a@mail.gmail.com> <1142844187.17931.3.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: Sure I ment some Fedora or Red Hat insider, maybe RH engeneer. Thanks for advice, I would try to search some ambassadore from former SU. Regards, REDbyte 2006/3/20, Tejas Dinkar : > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 00:37 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Red Byte, do you know anyone in your region (former Soviet Union) who > > is known in Uzbekistan and would make a good speaker? We might help > > you get him/her there... > > I'm sure Britney Spears would love to speak, > > I really hope that by "Guest Star" you meant "Fedora Developer" (or > other contributor), otherwise you are doomed to hear sarcastic remarks > from me until FC6 Test3 releases. > > Gja > > -- > Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com > > http://www.gja.in > > You will always find something in the last place you look. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Mon Mar 20 11:11:55 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:11:55 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on. In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603200118v55c9411ke9a969d89fea3dd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <441C7A3D.90107@zoomtown.com> <7f617d270603190913j2c4049ceo87fbd3b5b673a7e2@mail.gmail.com> <200603191720.17017.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441E6D85.4060301@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0603200118v55c9411ke9a969d89fea3dd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60397.194.80.32.9.1142853115.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > This might not be related here, but anyway, > > Today, it's a big event for the Fedora Project; > I'm looking for OFFICIAL "announcement" materials ( MAYBE a summary of > the will-be official announcement ? ) which I can paste on lug's > mailing list/forums, once FC5 has be officially announced. > > Eventually, it could be translated into different languages. > > any link ? 1) This is more suited to the marketing list 2) You should start a new thread if you are talking about a new discussion, and not reply to existing posts 3) See the wiki. Clair From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Mon Mar 20 11:14:42 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:14:42 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Teaching.... teachers! In-Reply-To: References: <441E7144.6030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <40223.194.80.32.9.1142853282.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> REDbyte Labs wrote: > Scholl computers are kinda old - P2 with 64 mb of RAM - so KDE > certanly would work very slow on them. What window manager to chose. > What about Enlightment? icewm. See http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/installing-icewm/ Clair From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 11:45:48 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:15:48 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 Message-ID: <1142855148.17931.8.camel@linuxbox> 2 hrs left Get some champagne From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 15:03:44 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:33:44 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5 In-Reply-To: <1142855148.17931.8.camel@linuxbox> References: <1142855148.17931.8.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <441EC450.2000708@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tejas Dinkar wrote: > 2 hrs left Good to meet you at the office Tejas and thanks for the FUDCon VCD :) > Get some champagne suggest that when DVDs/CDs are being handed out - this [http://people.redhat.com/sankar/FUDConDelhi2006/fudcon-india-handout.odt] could also be provided. 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From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 15:33:04 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:33:04 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] 3 Simple Questions In-Reply-To: <1142791699.14988.8.camel@linuxbox> References: <1142791699.14988.8.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <7f617d270603200733t4a9f8bdse9474f84eb156002@mail.gmail.com> Tejas, I have a few nit-picks for your draft: You wrote: "You can even want to tattoo 'Fedora' on various body parts and run around at the next football match. As long as you love spreading Free Software, you are perfect for the job." Running on the football fiel naked will most surely lead to the person's being arrested--you should try to avoid any wording that might be misinterpreted as encouraging illegal actions. Further, you write: "If you feel that Fedora is great for a Desktop, but isn't the best as a Server, then go ahead and tell people that!!! Stand up and be heard!!!!" This would be inaccurate, and you should try to avoid making an impression that inaccurate statements about Fedora are okay for Ambassadors. Otherwise it is a good document which will help others in the field recruit new Ambassadors! Thank you, Alex On 3/19/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Hey, > > when I met someone at an event, who was interested in being an > Ambassadors, but wasn't sure, I asked him these 3 Simple Questions. > > I finally wrote them down here > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/3SimpleQuestion > > tell me what I can improve, or if I should pull the document. > > This is just my opinions > > Oh - and for those of you who missed this on Fedora People - > http://tejasd.livejournal.com/11621.html > > Gja > -- > Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com > > http://www.gja.in > > Don't let people drive you crazy when you know it's in walking distance. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 15:42:55 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Open Source day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270603200742q72a18e15s33e831a69a62d0d8@mail.gmail.com> Wassim, Despite the fact that other Ambassadors were not informed of your initiative, here is a big Thank you for actively spreading the word about Fedora. I have to join Thomas in asking you to add your future endeavors to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents so people can do two things: a) know about what you are doing and come to your event b) help you out with organization etc. Thank you once again and keep up the good work! Cheers, Alex On 3/16/06, Wassim K. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yesterday took place an Open Source day at l'?cole Nationale des > Sciences de l'Informatique, an engineers school in Manouba (10 km from > Tunis) organized by a Tunisian association DFSA http://www.dfsa.org.tn > After the conferences and theorical debates, we moved to workshops > where I had to present Fedora Core. The guests (almost all students) > had no idea about what Fedora is, and were interested by SuSe and > Mandriva. I could nevertheless convince some of them to assist at the > Fedora Installation. > All was fine along the configuration through the Anaconda GUI till the > last step, then Anaconda crashed with a strange error: The partition > is mounted so the installation will abort. Never happened to me before > and I felt as ridiculous as Bill Gates did when 98 crashed. Very > difficult when the only thing they know about Linux is the penguin. > Anyway, I could quickly restart the procedure and the installation was > without any problem. Later, some students came with their laptops > wanting to install Fedora on their machines; I helped the ones I could > and, it was already 18:15, I promised the others to come back to help > them to install Fedora Core 5 once it's released. > I could "convert" at least 7 people to install Fedora on their > machines, explaining what SE Linux is, how stable, secure, > user-friendly Fedora is, letting them trying different hardware on > Fedora (Digital cameras, MP3 flash, Nokia's), I also explained to > those familiar with old Redhat versions the efficiency of yum instead > of the classical RPM "manual" installation. Newbies liked the Gnome > interface with Blue Curve theme; I promised those who did not like the > idea of substituting MP3 by OGG to install MP3 players and > converters, all the DivX codecs and DVD players if they only dare > install Fedora. > Here was a report of my first activity as Fedora ambassador; next Open > Source day will occure after one month, probably in another > university. All suggestions are welcome so that I contribute to > promote our distribution. > Regards, > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEGUf05dHs3elIuzoRAkMTAJoCGSBiE1N7IpJnJpynSHFYkSU0sgCfR+Wy > wn/bqRXWQHfYtIQhD+/waQ0= > =isJZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > http://fedora-tn.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Mon Mar 20 22:29:05 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:29:05 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] 3 Simple Questions In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603200733t4a9f8bdse9474f84eb156002@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142791699.14988.8.camel@linuxbox> <7f617d270603200733t4a9f8bdse9474f84eb156002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603202229.05567.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Monday 20 March 2006 15:33, Alex Maier wrote: > Tejas, > > I have a few nit-picks for your draft: > Otherwise it is a good document which will help others in the field > recruit new Ambassadors! I think the grammar could do with a bit of work... Clair From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 23:40:02 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:40:02 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] 3 Simple Questions In-Reply-To: <200603202229.05567.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1142791699.14988.8.camel@linuxbox> <7f617d270603200733t4a9f8bdse9474f84eb156002@mail.gmail.com> <200603202229.05567.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <7f617d270603201540w7b70a0acib03a65fb3f24610f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/20/06, Clair wrote: > On Monday 20 March 2006 15:33, Alex Maier wrote: > > Tejas, > > > > I have a few nit-picks for your draft: > > > Otherwise it is a good document which will help others in the field > > recruit new Ambassadors! > > I think the grammar could do with a bit of work... You've got Edit access... Nudge-nudge, wink-wink... From filip.tsachev at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 21 07:21:48 2006 From: filip.tsachev at fedoraproject.org (Filip Tsachev) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:21:48 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] 3 Simple Questions In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603201540w7b70a0acib03a65fb3f24610f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142791699.14988.8.camel@linuxbox> <7f617d270603200733t4a9f8bdse9474f84eb156002@mail.gmail.com> <200603202229.05567.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <7f617d270603201540w7b70a0acib03a65fb3f24610f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think that "isn't the best as a server" is questionable because "server" has quite a few meanings. If you meant production server I think this is mentioned on some of the official web pages as a myth, no? Cheers, Filip http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FilipTsachev From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 08:55:19 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:25:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSS.NITC Report Message-ID: <200603211425.27958.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, here is my report on FOSS.NITC event. FOSS.NITC was held on 18-19 March in Calicut, Kerala (India). This is mainly a student based event, where they meet with industry people. Students from NIT Calicut & other local engineering colleges were there. It was nice to see that NIT Calicut's computer Lab is almost completely based on Fedora (FC4). The same thing is there in other colleges too. So most of the students are very much familiar with Fedora :) My BoF session was mainly attended by students of 1st & 2nd year. They had lots questions about Fedora. They never previously used yum. I talked about FC5 features. One commonly asked question was how to upgrade from FC4 to FC5 (through DVD) as I was distributing FC4 DVDs. In the event some people were talking about KDE in Fedora (they don't like the way it is being packaged), they liked to hear "moving KDE packages into the Fedora Extras repository". Fedora livecd also rocks. Some girls were complaining about "No G size tshirts". The event went good. Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 05:56:50 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:26:50 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSS.NITC Report Message-ID: <200603211126.59620.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, here is my report on FOSS.NITC event. FOSS.NITC was held on 18-19 March in Calicut, Kerala (India). This is mainly a student based event, where they meet with industry people. Students from NIT Calicut & other local engineering colleges were there. It was nice to see that NIT Calicut's computer Lab is almost completely based on Fedora (FC4). The same thing is there in other colleges too. So most of the students are very much familiar with Fedora :) My BoF session was mainly attended by students of 1st & 2nd year. They had lots questions about Fedora. They never previously used yum. I talked about FC5 features. One commonly asked question was how to upgrade from FC4 to FC5 (through DVD) as I was distributing FC4 DVDs. In the event some people were talking about KDE in Fedora (they don't like the way it is being packaged), they liked to hear "moving KDE packages into the Fedora Extras repository". Fedora livecd also rocks. Some girls were complaining about "No G size tshirts". The event went good. Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you meant production server I > think this is mentioned on some of the official web pages as a myth, > no? well, I didn't word that perfectly, but in essence, what i was trying to get across was that * If you find Fedora the best in some domain such as desktop, or it is the best for laptops, then tell people that. In essence, I was trying to say - 'If you feel that Fedora isn't the best for some use, then WE won't force you to promote it as that'. For example, I advocate Fedora on the desktop, but I feel that in some scenarios, "foo-bar linux" may be better, say as a web server, especially if you don't have the bandwidth to download upgrades, and want packages that have been thoroughly tested. So when I talk to people, I don't blindly say - "use fedora, it will do wonders for your server", as I can't honestly say it will. (IMO of course) That example was just my way of saying that Being A Fedora Ambassador, doesn't mean you need to think that fedora is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Gja's $0.02 -- Tejas Dinkar - tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain From jaboutboul at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 21 15:31:02 2006 From: jaboutboul at fedoraproject.org (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:31:02 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Announcing FUDCon Boston 2006 Message-ID: <1142955062.13204.87.camel@deepfort> Hot on the heels of the release of Fedora Core 5 and the success of previous FUDCon events worldwide, the Fedora Project is proud to announce FUDCon Boston 2006. FUDCon Boston 2006 will offer a wide range of speakers on an even wider range of topics, in three separate tracks, and is sure to have something for everyone. More Info can be found at: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2006 ==When== Friday, 7 April 2006. This is the Friday right after LinuxWorld Conference and Expo. ==What== FUDCon Boston 2006 is the fifth such event globally and the second to be held in Boston, Mass. USA. FUDCon Boston 2006 will feature an expanded three track lineup which includes a user, developer and applications track. The application track will feature unique individuals and corporations, such as Levanta, MySQL, Pogo Linux and even representatives from the Catalonian Government in Spain, who have leveraged Fedora for unique purposes and have contributed to the community. The complete schedule can be found on the wiki and will be updated to reflect any time conflicts speaker may have. Please use it as the definitive timetable for the day's events. Additionally, the wiki will be updated with more detailed speaker, abstract and room info for each specific talk. ==Where== The Fedora Project is honored to be able to work with Boston University once again to make this FUDCon a reality. The event will be graciously hosted once again by the BU Office of Information Technology, and this year, the BU School of Management gets in on the fun. Also, as last year, we plan on offering streaming video and audio of all tracks and sessions. This year, these streams will be higher quality than previous attempts, as we think we've gotten it right this time. The streams will be Ogg Theora and should work out of the box for users of Fedora Core 4 and 5. Check the wiki in the coming weeks for links to the streaming content. ==How== As spaces are limited we urge all those interested to pre-register by emailing fudcon-register at fedoraproject.org . Those who pre-register will have badges available for pickup the day of FUDCon and will receive preference for sessions which may fill up quickly. ==Thanks== Thanks go out to all who made this possible and have contributed so much to the massive growth and success of the Fedora community. You know who you are. See you in Boston!! From redbyte.labs at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 07:47:41 2006 From: redbyte.labs at gmail.com (REDbyte Labs) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:47:41 +0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Getting FC5 Message-ID: Hi everyone! We've planning to make a great party to promote new FC5. More and more users here choose FC for their workstations and servers, so they would be happy to update their current version. So could we get some DVDs of FC5 to share it with local community, cause it's totally impossiable to download DVD image via local ISPs. We've finally finished our web site linuxcenter.uz - so everyone welcome! Most information is in russian, but forum is full of people who are ready to communicate in english, german, and french language. Another news of the community is making a community distro. Now we're on the step of beta testing. So what about posting some DVDs of FC5? Regards, REDbyte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wk.20050201 at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 12:50:32 2006 From: wk.20050201 at gmail.com (Wassim K.) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:50:32 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Open Source day In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603200742q72a18e15s33e831a69a62d0d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603200742q72a18e15s33e831a69a62d0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi and sorry for answering late: I went on holidays for some days. Well, I admit I should have noted the event at the calendar; it's just that I was not sure: The same event was planned before but was aborted for lack of sponsoring (hardware, place, ...), so we kept skeptic and we chose to not make "wrong steps". Anyway, thanks for your support and I will inform you about next events.Regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEIUgQ5dHs3elIuzoRAvttAJ47k8iiGdAoUk4KYDzw+9xIwb51+QCgphvy X6/SthPM+W/2zGjVmOHkBfQ= =EhZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/20/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Wassim, > > Despite the fact that other Ambassadors were not informed of your > initiative, here is a big Thank you for actively spreading the word > about Fedora. > > I have to join Thomas in asking you to add your future endeavors to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents so people can do two > things: > a) know about what you are doing and come to your event > b) help you out with organization etc. > > Thank you once again and keep up the good work! > > Cheers, > Alex > > On 3/16/06, Wassim K. wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Yesterday took place an Open Source day at l'?cole Nationale des > > Sciences de l'Informatique, an engineers school in Manouba (10 km from > > Tunis) organized by a Tunisian association DFSA http://www.dfsa.org.tn > > After the conferences and theorical debates, we moved to workshops > > where I had to present Fedora Core. The guests (almost all students) > > had no idea about what Fedora is, and were interested by SuSe and > > Mandriva. I could nevertheless convince some of them to assist at the > > Fedora Installation. > > All was fine along the configuration through the Anaconda GUI till the > > last step, then Anaconda crashed with a strange error: The partition > > is mounted so the installation will abort. Never happened to me before > > and I felt as ridiculous as Bill Gates did when 98 crashed. Very > > difficult when the only thing they know about Linux is the penguin. > > Anyway, I could quickly restart the procedure and the installation was > > without any problem. Later, some students came with their laptops > > wanting to install Fedora on their machines; I helped the ones I could > > and, it was already 18:15, I promised the others to come back to help > > them to install Fedora Core 5 once it's released. > > I could "convert" at least 7 people to install Fedora on their > > machines, explaining what SE Linux is, how stable, secure, > > user-friendly Fedora is, letting them trying different hardware on > > Fedora (Digital cameras, MP3 flash, Nokia's), I also explained to > > those familiar with old Redhat versions the efficiency of yum instead > > of the classical RPM "manual" installation. Newbies liked the Gnome > > interface with Blue Curve theme; I promised those who did not like the > > idea of substituting MP3 by OGG to install MP3 players and > > converters, all the DivX codecs and DVD players if they only dare > > install Fedora. > > Here was a report of my first activity as Fedora ambassador; next Open > > Source day will occure after one month, probably in another > > university. All suggestions are welcome so that I contribute to > > promote our distribution. > > Regards, > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFEGUf05dHs3elIuzoRAkMTAJoCGSBiE1N7IpJnJpynSHFYkSU0sgCfR+Wy > > wn/bqRXWQHfYtIQhD+/waQ0= > > =isJZ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > -- > > http://fedora-tn.org > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -- Geroge Bernard Shaw From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 03:34:54 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:04:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] RSVP for Meeting on 23.03.2006@2200 UTC Message-ID: <4422175E.6000504@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is to convey my inability to attend the above meeting (also here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings). It is around 0330 hours India Time on 24th March 2006 - I have an early morning flight to catch Apologies to the Ambassadors and the Chair. Regards Sankarshan ps: Please remember to post the IRC logs/summary - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEIhdeXQZpNTcrCzMRAjyBAJ4t0Tc0wvaW9E4N2Nd2Bsa0zm8hzgCfQZx0 EyvoomxjTnyWX8SxoSdQVP8= =fEfz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cyberspy1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 07:54:46 2006 From: cyberspy1 at gmail.com (CyberSpy) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Just wanted to introduce myself. Message-ID: <108fe3f0603222354r3b3c6466yae3486b44c2e8d4@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, Just wanted to take a minute to say hello to everyone and let you all know how excited I am to be an active participant in this project. I've been using Fedora since Core 1 and some of you already know me from IRC. I plan to contribute in every area that I can, so please, feel free to mail me with anything you may need me to help with. I'll be spreading the word of Fedora in the RTP and surrounding areas of North Carolina, USA and in Phila PA, USA. In conjunction with the self gratification I'll get by promoting what I feel to be an extremely viable desktop alternative, I hope to gain some terrific new friends here. -- Surreptitously Yours, CyberSpy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is around 0330 > hours India Time on 24th March 2006 - I have an early morning flight to > catch > > Apologies to the Ambassadors and the Chair. > > Regards > Sankarshan > > > ps: Please remember to post the IRC logs/summary Same here I won't be able to attend tonight, Ill be flying to frankfurt :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Thu Mar 23 15:39:01 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:39:01 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Just wanted to introduce myself. In-Reply-To: <108fe3f0603222354r3b3c6466yae3486b44c2e8d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <108fe3f0603222354r3b3c6466yae3486b44c2e8d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143128342.2582.11.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Welcome CyberSpy ! _o/ You can read a bit of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings to catch up! There is a meeting today at 22:00 UTC on #fedora-mktg, join us if you can! Thomas Canniot Le jeudi 23 mars 2006 ? 02:54 -0500, CyberSpy a ?crit : > Greetings, > Just wanted to take a minute to say hello to everyone and let you all > know how excited I am to be an active participant in this project. > I've been using Fedora since Core 1 and some of you already know me > from IRC. I plan to contribute in every area that I can, so please, > feel free to mail me with anything you may need me to help with. I'll > be spreading the word of Fedora in the RTP and surrounding areas of > North Carolina, USA and in Phila PA, USA. In conjunction with the self > gratification I'll get by promoting what I feel to be an extremely > viable desktop alternative, I hope to gain some terrific new friends > here. > > -- > Surreptitously Yours, > CyberSpy > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at kampnytt.com Thu Mar 23 16:02:35 2006 From: info at kampnytt.com (mosp) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:02:35 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About being an ambassador! In-Reply-To: <200603221811.k2MIBqul013025@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> References: <200603221811.k2MIBqul013025@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4422C69B.1040407@kampnytt.com> Hi! I am writing because I am not sure if its an good idea for me to be an ambassador anymore. I have started an education and have almost no time for anything else. I havent been able to attend any meetings lately because of my studies. Either I am in school or I am sleeping. I still promote Fedora, still help out when people need it and write small guides in swedish. Which i will continue to do regardless of what status i have. I like being an ambassador, but i will leave any decisions up to you to make when it comes to me and being an ambassador. I will not be able to attend to any meetings as things are today. I have very little time and resources to attend shows and whatever. The work i can do for fedora is what i am doing now. Being someone who users can contact when needed (through www.linuxportalen.se), write small guides in swedish and continue to answer fedora related questions on IRC. Well, i enjoy to be an ambassador but i dont think i am able to put down the time that i think you want an ambassador to do. Regards, Mikael Jacobsson Swedish Ambassador From gerold at lugd.org Thu Mar 23 17:32:37 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:32:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Questions Message-ID: <1143135157.2954.9.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> Hi all! as you all have read, we've canceled our participation at Linuxtag 2006 in Germany, Wiesbaden due to the fact, that this is to expensive for all and we haven't a budget for that by now! 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I have not yet submitted a meeting summary for the past meeting to the list, but you can find a transcript here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Thank you, Alex -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Mar 23 19:36:06 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:36:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FLISOL 2006 - DF, Brazil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060323193606.33007.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Just to let you know about this event: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FLISOL Hugo just update the wiki page: HugoCisneiros will be responsible for installing and supporting Fedora Core Systems (as this is an InstallFest) HugoCisneiros will present a talk about the Fedora Project and will distribute Fedora LiveCDs in Brasilia, DF SERPRO (Government's Company) will distribute 80 of their FC4 LiveCDs (see LiveCDs) HugoCisneiros will distribute 50 of Kadischi created FC5 LiveCDs HugoCisneiros will distribute 30 copies of his Linux guide, TLM ( http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/tlm) About FISL, I need DVDs and some schwag for this conferece. As it's very big, we are thinking in 2000 DVDs and 50 T-shirts. Right now we are preparing a Banner, some folders and 2 notebooks to install FC5 and use for demonstration. Can you supply this for us? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Fa?a do Yahoo! sua homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 19:48:47 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:48:47 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fwd: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603231144o6e4add21icc5e7d2b337c6f90@mail.gmail.com> References: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <7f617d270603231144o6e4add21icc5e7d2b337c6f90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231148qe083a09q2cc3a2ae63edcdb0@mail.gmail.com> Had the ambassadors-list address misspelt. Re-sending to ambassadors. a ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alex Maier Date: Mar 23, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Cc: fedora-ambassadors at redhat.com, fedora-list at redhat.com, fedora-docs-list at redhat.com This is great news Gavin! Please let the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee (Famsco) know if you need any support for this. Thank you, Alex On 3/23/06, Gavin Henry wrote: > Dear Lists, > > I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: > > http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page > > It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is: > > Latest Speakers > > * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu > * Gervase Markham - TBC > * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora > * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun > * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source > * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace > * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap > * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source > * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi > * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu > * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl > * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a twist > * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 > * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing > * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper > * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark > * Alex Hudson - Hula > * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network > * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument > * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu > * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org > * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops > * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond > * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails > * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage > * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank > * Ewan Spence - TBC > * Christian Schaller - GStreamer > > Latest Exhibitors > > * CentOS > * Joomla! > * UKLinux > * MythTV > * Bytemark Hosting > * OpenDocument Fellowship > * KDE/Kubuntu > * O'Reilly > > So quite high-profile! > > Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team. > > I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? > > Anyone other ideas? > > Can we get any goodies to give away? > > Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main > LugRadio Site? > > Thoughts most welcome! > > Thanks, > > Gavin. > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 279484 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 20:11:45 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:11:45 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About being an ambassador! In-Reply-To: <4422C69B.1040407@kampnytt.com> References: <200603221811.k2MIBqul013025@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> <4422C69B.1040407@kampnytt.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231211p64138fcdv9d346309b1130955@mail.gmail.com> Hey Mikael, I think you should keep your Ambassador status and stay on the list, because what you will be doing in the time you can spare from your studying is exactly what an Ambassador should be doing--talking to people about Fedora, helping them out if they have questions, and being available for them to contact whenever needed! If you stay on the list, you will keep receiving other people's ideas and might be able to benefit from them. Also, you will be able to ask for input from all of us. So hey, you can't make all the meetings--so what? :) Glad to have you on the team, Alex On 3/23/06, mosp wrote: > Hi! > > I am writing because I am not sure if its an good idea for me to be an > ambassador anymore. I have started an education and have almost no time > for anything else. I havent been able to attend any meetings lately > because of my studies. Either I am in school or I am sleeping. > > I still promote Fedora, still help out when people need it and write > small guides in swedish. Which i will continue to do regardless of what > status i have. > > I like being an ambassador, but i will leave any decisions up to you to > make when it comes to me and being an ambassador. I will not be able to > attend to any meetings as things are today. I have very little time and > resources to attend shows and whatever. > > The work i can do for fedora is what i am doing now. Being someone who > users can contact when needed (through www.linuxportalen.se), write > small guides in swedish and continue to answer fedora related questions > on IRC. > > Well, i enjoy to be an ambassador but i dont think i am able to put down > the time that i think you want an ambassador to do. > > Regards, > > Mikael Jacobsson > Swedish Ambassador > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 20:16:05 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Note for a Fedora Project marketing person In-Reply-To: <015e01c64eb5$437b9ee0$6401a8c0@rollwaves> References: <015e01c64eb5$437b9ee0$6401a8c0@rollwaves> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231216of26222eo8da72a9ff8fe9ebb@mail.gmail.com> Dear Chris, I am copying Fedora Marketing and Fedora Ambassadors on my response, so they can all chime in. Fedora is not a company, and not a commercial distribution. We are a community project, in part sponsored by Red Hat. We are not affiliated with Novell. I do not think we will have the money to pay for the participation in the event your friend is organizing, but we certainly will be glad to help out with content anyway. If you can think of any form of cooperation that will benefit both parties, please get in touch with me again. Thank you, Alex Maier On 3/23/06, Chris Preimesberger wrote: > > I am a reporter at eWEEK.com, but I am using a personal affiliation with a > friend on the following project. > > A colleague of mine, Tom Donoghue, runs a couple of decent sites, > DevTownStation.com and OpenEnterpriseTrends.com. He is starting to get into > online "events" to help his business grow. He did his first interactive > online event recently > > Tom asked me to help him with a new online event, to be called "Open > Enterprise Trends Desktop Demo Summit" or something more sexy than that-- we > don't know yet. This would give companies a chance to showcase their desktop > software (Fedora 5?) in a coordinated, organized event (perhaps 4 to 5 hours > in length) in which users log in for free and hear a panel discussion, > company pitches, and see actual demos of the products online. Uses also can > ask questions at appointed times to the companies. > > Naturally, the companies showcasing their work would be sponsoring the > event, and therein lies where the costs would be for Novell, for example. > I'm not sure what the participation fee would be; Tom could tell you that. > But to be involved in a neutral-host, highly publicized (we hope!) event > like that -- might Novell be interested? > > Let me know. If so, I can have Tom call you and give more info. > > /cp > > Chris J. Preimesberger > IT Editor/Writer > Redwood City, Calif. > (650) 780-9200 office -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From david at gnsa.us Thu Mar 23 22:44:43 2006 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] video contest prizes Message-ID: <442324DB.6000407@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What's the allocation of the video contest money for flips flops or Nike Shoes and the main prize? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEIyTbkZOYj+cNI1cRAvgIAJ0fN0mmh7fAc1t4Sp+8ChVjyJjvQgCfdjg8 IVtiyx8nLC2V7NrCtemUsZs= =O5te -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Thu Mar 23 23:13:38 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:13:38 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project Message-ID: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Hi all, I'm gonna see how this works. I've started off a project, intended as a subproject of Ambassadors, and not a replacement, to help Ambassadors (and others) to spread the word of Fedora to others. It's all explained (hopefully) on the wiki, over at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/WordOfMouth Check it out :) Clair From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 11:15:16 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:15:16 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FLISOL 2006 - DF, Brazil In-Reply-To: <20060323193606.33007.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060323193606.33007.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603240315n421ecd8dkae4a492d8ff5b87a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/06, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > SERPRO (Government's Company) will distribute 80 of their FC4 LiveCDs (see LiveCDs) > > HugoCisneiros will distribute 50 of Kadischi created FC5 LiveCDs > > HugoCisneiros will distribute 30 copies of his Linux guide, TLM ( http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/tlm Hello Hugo, I don't want to be some negative but I feel I have to say these: Considering, - FC4 is nearly on its way to legacy in the next few months - and FC5 release early this week, - Fedora's policy is to provide Latest Open Source software. I myself won't spread FC4 Livecds. thanks for your interest in Kadischi. nevertheless you can't say FC5 LiveCDs built with Kadischi see my draft : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/legal in brief: Kadischi is still underdevelopment and the down side of kadischi is its hardware detection. These Live cds can work on some computers and It might not on others. If this is the case, It might give a wrong image of Fedora Core 5. I would suggest that you subscribe to the Fedora-Livecd list for more assistance. Do you have some scripts that can smooth the rough edges of the livecd ? Nevertheless, for your event you can talk about The Kadischi Project :) Cheers Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 13:26:00 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:26:00 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FLISOL 2006 - DF, Brazil In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603240315n421ecd8dkae4a492d8ff5b87a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060323193606.33007.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13dbfe4f0603240315n421ecd8dkae4a492d8ff5b87a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603240526p7643613bi13c8bf8bc8c994fd@mail.gmail.com> Ive moved the contents to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Legal -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 13:36:26 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:36:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project In-Reply-To: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603240536r6d8fc0e6tdfecc5779f70badb@mail.gmail.com> On 3/24/06, Clair wrote: > Hi all, > I'm gonna see how this works. I've started off a project, intended as a > subproject of Ambassadors, and not a replacement, to help Ambassadors (and > others) to spread the word of Fedora to others. > > It's all explained (hopefully) on the wiki, over at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/WordOfMouth > > Check it out :) > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > ive added myself -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 14:47:42 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] video contest prizes In-Reply-To: <442324DB.6000407@gnsa.us> References: <442324DB.6000407@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <7f617d270603240647l4f5114cdo2f1e56731f2730e6@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/06, David Nalley wrote: > What's the allocation of the video contest money for flips flops or Nike > Shoes and the main prize? We have 5K USD total. It all depends on how much support we can get from Creatie Commons... If they decide to help us out a lot, we could spend all this money on the prizes. From gdk at redhat.com Fri Mar 24 15:28:21 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:28:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A humble request fro Kenya Message-ID: Can someone burn a DVD and send it to Douglas directly? Let's make a friend in Kenya. :) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:09:21 -0800 From: Douglas Chrispine To: info at fedoraproject.org, gdk at redhat.com Subject: Fedora core To: info at fedoraproject.org Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:58:39 -0800 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Am aged 19 yrs old a student in Kenya.Currently am in college doing Linux administration . Of all the distributions I have come across, Fedora has been my best so far. Recently I took a tour round your website and came across infor that fedora core 5 has been launched. i have tried going thru the mirror sites all over the continents but i always get Error messages. farther more getting good to excellent internet connection in my country Kenya is quite a problem .I am kindly requesting if you can get me the copy of the new Fedora core %, the one am using is fedoda 3 which is al together fascinating,but am very curious and determined to use the new one coz am 2 upgrades down. please get me this- A very himble request. My contact information is Douglas Chrispine Onyango P.O. Box 15698-00503, Nairobi-Kenya From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 18:16:01 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:16:01 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Just wanted to introduce myself. In-Reply-To: <108fe3f0603222354r3b3c6466yae3486b44c2e8d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <108fe3f0603222354r3b3c6466yae3486b44c2e8d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143224161.4717.19.camel@fedora> On 23-03-2006, thu at 02:54 -0500, CyberSpy wrote: > Greetings, > Just wanted to take a minute to say hello to everyone and let you all > know how excited I am to be an active participant in this project. > I've been using Fedora since Core 1 and some of you already know me > from IRC. I plan to contribute in every area that I can, so please, > feel free to mail me with anything you may need me to help with. I'll > be spreading the word of Fedora in the RTP and surrounding areas of > North Carolina, USA and in Phila PA, USA. In conjunction with the self > gratification I'll get by promoting what I feel to be an extremely > viable desktop alternative, I hope to gain some terrific new friends > here. Welcome :) Cheers, Pawel Sadowski From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 18:57:26 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:27:26 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fwd: Inquiry - General marketing questions from a student of international business In-Reply-To: <26c71ad70603240038t4902a9f4i4852fe06406b93b@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c71ad70603180237g1cf49cddt98d569c3d29004b2@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603192121n2ae29831x8395ba04c1f214db@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603192321s3670cdecrcee9b36d8284d757@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603231151o3be12075u600d6e0bd681393a@mail.gmail.com> <1143188533.11904.35.camel@linuxbox> <26c71ad70603240038t4902a9f4i4852fe06406b93b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143226646.2264.22.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:38 +0100, Patrick Windt wrote: > Dear Mr/Mrs Dinkar Mr... or just Tejas is Fine > First of all thank you for your swift and extraodinary detailed reply. > I did know how the concept of free/open software and I know that > Fedora is not a commercial product. But this does not mean, I hope, > that the marketing department/list says; well it doesn't matter what > we do, people will like it or know it or not. > > I'm simply interested in the doings, and not doings of marketing. > > I would assume that the marketing department/list does have some > marketing specific goals? I would hardly think that this task is > thought of lightly. See, here is where you missed it... The marketing department IS a group of volunteers, and obviously, each person will have a different reason for being part of the project. On the whole, the marketing teams goal is clear: We need to give fedora to as many people as possible. The key word here is *give*. We do not ask any money for it, so in this respect, we aren't truly marketing. I think the way Fedora's Marketing is this... We try to make sure that Fedora is in the hands of as many people as possible. After that, we are sure that the product will take care of itself, so to speak. However, there is another major difference. We also try to get other people to actively contribute... If you see the last slide of most of the talks on Fedora, it will be on `How can I contribute back to the project`. As a coder, or as an ambassador, or to write documentation, each is an important part. So in the true sense, we aren't marketers, we are enthusiasts. However, as you say, yes, we must have a goal... And our goal is to promote free software, until the common man becomes more aware of it. To Promote Free software in General, and Fedora in particular We aim to remove the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubts that certain proprietary vendors have created against the Free and Open Source World. The above two are the goals of the Marketing initiative IMO. The method we go about doing this is many 1) Speak at events world wide 2) Send DVDs to people who ask 3) Have install fests 4) Spread fedora on a more personal basis, to your friends I think that above covers it. Please CC the list when replying, I know I'm not the only guy with an opinion > However I do think it's odd to make the end-users the developers. I > believe that fedora core has the big potential of beating windows in > the Operating Systems market, or is that an aspect that isn't > considered either? Well, sort of. We would really love to see more free software in the market. However, (at least I) am not particularly fanatic about Fedora, I would really like to see free software (be it Fedora, SuSE, FreeBSD, RHEL) dominating the market. Remember, that no matter which free software wins, all the others still win. Gja > Please enlighten me :) > > Patrick > > > On 3/24/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm responding directly to the original poster as well > > As I am not "The Head of Marketing", I may be wrong, and don't > sue me if > I am spouting rot. > > Dear Patrick, > > Perhaps, before you attempt to understand how marketing in > Fedora works, > you should understand how Fedora, or any open source project > in the > world works. > > The concept of Fedora is Freedom. This doesn't just mean that > you can > take our product and run away with it. It also means you can > modify our > product, redistribute it, for free, or even for a fee. > > Consider this example: > > > > Chef Super-Gja has generated a recipe for Vegetable Stew that > is > AWESOME!!!! > > Chef Super-Gja decided he wants to help as many people as he > can with > his amazing Vegetable Stew. > > so he starts producing 1000 Litres of Stew every day, and > giving it away > for no cost. He feels that his Stew is Free. > > However, one day, his friend tells him that he is allergic to > the > carrots in the stew, and that many people have requested for > Stew > without carrots in it. > > Now, Chef Super-Gja gets a great idea. Rather than giving away > just the > Stew, what he does is give away some stew, as well as the > RECIPE for the > stew. This way, if everyone has the recipe, then they are > allowed to > modify the soup, improve it, and customize it to their needs. > > Pretty soon, his friend comes back. His friend has modified > the recipe, > and the following side note: by adding a spoon of butter to > the soup, it > will make the stew a lot thicker. > > The Chef decides that this suggestion is so good, that he > includes it in > the original recipe for the soup. > > Chef Super-Gja realizes that by giving out the recipe of the > soup, and > not just the soup itself, he has ensured that everyone has > access to his > soup, and that everyone can easily make it and improve it. By > doing > this, he has made an entire community of stew cookers, who are > all eager > to help improve the original recipe. > > Also, Chef Super-Gja also has ensured that people will be > drinking his > soup, long after he has retired. > > > > This is the way open source works. Here, software is the soup, > and the > source code (a text document from which software is made) is > compared to > the RECIPE of the soup. > > Some companies, like Red Hat, do make money out of open > source. They > give out the `recipe` for their product. In doing so, they > will have a > large community behind them. This community will continuously > be sending > back improvements to Red Hat's soup, and will be in close > contact with > Red Hat. Not just the Marketing or Support teams, as happens > with most > companies. But the end user is in contact with the developers. > In fact > THE END USERS ARE THE DEVELOPERS. > > Some products, like fedora are not commercial. They are > maintained > entirely by volunteers, so that it can benefit their neighbor. > > Now as far as marketing goes. > > Except for (perhaps) 5 of the ambassadors, none of us are Paid > to > Promote Fedora. > > The rest of us, simply use Fedora. We love Fedora, and we want > to tell > people about it. We want to help spread the message that > Fedora > symbolizes. That message is the Following: > > `Fedora Is Free! We want to use Free Software. Not free as in > Zero Cost. > Free as in Freedom.` > > We are volunteers who help to promote an idea we believe in, > during our > Free time. We do not really expect to be rewarded in any way. > We are > doing it because we know it is the right thing to do. > > > For Further Reading on this Topic, I suggest you read this > essay: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ > > Gja > > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:51 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > So if I get this right, seeing that you are indeed head of > marketing, > > the fedora marketing team focusses their attention on > promotion. Is > > Fedora Core not adapted to fit the needs of it's members, by > lets say > > a broad survey, or is it estimated what the target audience > wants? > > > > Does the fedora marketing team have any firm strategic or > operational > > targets to obtain? > > > > I'm mostly interested in fedora's marketing strategy since > it is very > > much different from a regular company. It is indeed non > profitable and > > you do not have a tangible item. > > > > Friendly greetings, > > > > Patrick > > > > > > On 3/20/06, Alex Maier < lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear Patrick, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your inquiry. I lead the > Ambassadors project, > > > and this is what I can speak for :) > > > > > > The Ambassadors project is a grass-roots initiative mostly > centered > > > around "getting the word out" to the people outside the > Fedora project > > > and also helping Fedora Project communicate with Fedora > and Linux > > > community. > > > > > > If you have any more questions, please feel free to get in > touch with > > > me or the entire Steering Committee (Famsco) for more > help. > > > > > > Thank you very much for your interest in Fedora, > > > Alex > > > > > > On 3/18/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > > > > > As an international marketing student, I was wondering > in what aspects the > > > > marketing department of "fedora" is integrated in the > final product release. > > > > Or is the marketing of fedora solely based on "getting > the word out" ? > > > > > > > > I would love to get some insight in the marketing plan > of Fedora... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Patrick Windt > > > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Patrick Windt > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Patrick Windt > paddy.windt at gmail.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 21:45:11 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:45:11 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] A humble request fro Kenya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0603241345h4c62fdy31b805694ee9b25f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/24/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Can someone burn a DVD and send it to Douglas directly? > > Let's make a friend in Kenya. :) > > --g > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:09:21 -0800 > From: Douglas Chrispine > To: info at fedoraproject.org, gdk at redhat.com > Subject: Fedora core > > To: info at fedoraproject.org > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:58:39 -0800 > Subject: Fedora Core 5 > Am aged 19 yrs old a student in Kenya.Currently am in college doing Linux > administration . Of all the distributions I have come across, Fedora has > been my best so far. Recently I took a tour round your website and came > across infor that fedora core 5 has been launched. i have tried going thru > the mirror sites all over the continents but i always get Error messages. > farther more getting good to excellent internet connection in my country > Kenya is quite a problem .I am kindly requesting if you can get me the copy > of the new Fedora core %, the one am using is fedoda 3 which is al together > fascinating,but am very curious and determined to use the new one coz am 2 > upgrades down. please get me this- A very himble request. My contact > information is > > Douglas Chrispine Onyango > P.O. Box 15698-00503, > Nairobi-Kenya HI Greg, I'll send him a copy of FC5 DVD under Fedora Community Free Media Program. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 22:21:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:51:13 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSS.NITC Report In-Reply-To: <200603211425.27958.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200603211425.27958.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143238873.3802.220.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 14:25 +0530, Kushal Das wrote: > Hi, here is my report on FOSS.NITC event. > > FOSS.NITC was held on 18-19 March in Calicut, Kerala (India). This is mainly a > student based event, where they meet with industry people. Students from NIT > Calicut & other local engineering colleges were there. > > It was nice to see that NIT Calicut's computer Lab is almost completely based > on Fedora (FC4). The same thing is there in other colleges too. So most of > the students are very much familiar with Fedora :) > > My BoF session was mainly attended by students of 1st & 2nd year. They had > lots questions about Fedora. They never previously used yum. I talked about > FC5 features. Any slides that we can take a peek at? > One commonly asked question was how to upgrade from FC4 to FC5 (through DVD) > as I was distributing FC4 DVDs. > In the event some people were talking about KDE in Fedora (they don't like the > way it is being packaged), they liked to hear "moving KDE packages into the > Fedora Extras repository". Thats a proposal. I would be wary of promising it to anyone. > Fedora livecd also rocks. > Some girls were complaining about "No G size tshirts". > The event went good. Thanks for the report. Since you mention the girls, do you happen to have some pics of the event ;-) Rahul From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 03:14:53 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:44:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] video contest prizes In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603240647l4f5114cdo2f1e56731f2730e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <442324DB.6000407@gnsa.us> <7f617d270603240647l4f5114cdo2f1e56731f2730e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143256493.2271.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:47 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > We have 5K USD total. It all depends on how much support we can get > from Creatie Commons... If they decide to help us out a lot, we could > spend all this money on the prizes. 5000$??? That is A HUGE!!! amounnt of money. May I ask why we are sponsoring this, rather than using to produce more than just 10000 DVDs? As it is, 3000 DVDs will be gone at FUDCon Boston. that leaves 7000 DVDs for the whole year. IMO, cut the prize money in half, spend on DVDs. IF we get sponsorship from CC, use THEIR money for the prizes. We need the DVDs more than the video Gja From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 06:19:55 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:49:55 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Talk at BLUG Message-ID: <1143267595.2585.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Hey, Someone volunteered me to speak at my LUG (the Bangalore Linux Users Group), today, and the talk will be in another few hours. I'll of course make my slides available as soon as the talk is over. This is a different kinda talk than those on the fp.o, because I have 15 mins on `Why FC5 changes the entropy of the Universe`. (because I was so exited about FC5 when it released). However, in my talk, I'm also required to give a few reasons I DON'T like FC5, so there will be a slide called "Things in FC5 that annoy the hell out of me". Because of the above slide, my talk may not necessarily be given as a "Fedora Ambassador", but just as a general enthusiast. Gja From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 25 06:22:05 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:22:05 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603240536r6d8fc0e6tdfecc5779f70badb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <13dbfe4f0603240536r6d8fc0e6tdfecc5779f70badb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143267725.3395.3.camel@fedora> On 3/24/06, Clair wrote: > Hi all, > I'm gonna see how this works. I've started off a project, intended as a > subproject of Ambassadors, and not a replacement, to help Ambassadors (and > others) to spread the word of Fedora to others. > > It's all explained (hopefully) on the wiki, over at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/WordOfMouth I'm interested in telling people about Fedora, but I hope there won't be any extra list or something like that. I'm alreay flooded with mails :D Greets, Pawel Sadowski From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 25 07:18:10 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:18:10 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report Message-ID: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> Hi, I have a pleasure to write you about Fedora Core Open Days that held in Poland on 18-19 March. So, first, after a small delay, some guy from local LUG started the event by welcoming the people. Then was the first speech, of course mine ;) First, I've told very shortly about history of Linux (it'd be difficult to talk about Fedora without knowing the Linux history :>). Then I started my speech about Fedora. I told inter alia about history of Fedora - Red Hat Linux ? Fedora Core ? Fedora Project ? Fedora Foundation, about what's new in FC5, how to help, and generally about the project. Then there was Mateusz Halaba's and his brother's speech about KDE. Later there was a set of lectures and talks about various features of Linux and Fedora Core. The president of local LUG, Filip Klebczyk had a speech about Linux community. There was a ballot of gifts from enqiries for participants. There was also a president of B2B, Red Hat reseller in Poland. After the first day, there was a party in local pub, but I didn't participate (together with friends from www.fedora.pl forum we had a party in hotel that we were staying in ;)). On the second day there were also interesting lectures, inter alia the lecture of Polish Fedora Core developer, Dawid Gajownik, about SELinux. Unfortunately, I had to go during his speech, because I had a train to home (next was in the morning next day). I know that on the second day there was also a lottery of prizes from questionnaires for participants. I gave a FC4 DVD to one boy, although he asked me about FC5. I distributed few copies of FC5. We haven't DVDs so we couldn't burn it for all participants. And, we had access for CD version, so we would have to have a lot of CDs to burn it to everybody. But it was also great that we could have FC5 for this event, and we are very grateful, especially to Patrick W. Barnes and Jesse Keating for their commitment and that by dint of them we had FC5 earlier :) We had Ubuntu for distribute at the event - heh, Fedora would be better, but it was better to distribute Ubuntu than nothing ;) There was also a tournament in Frozen Bubble and Python benchs. Ok, I think that's all. Once again thanks for all people who helped us organizing this great Fedora event. We are already planning to organize Fedora Open Days (more appropriate name - Fedora is not only operating system, and creating the logo for the event will be easier). We were preliminairly thinking about Cracow. I think this time, we should have Fedora T-shirts and DVDs for distribute to everybody. It will be a big show ;) Regards, Pawel Sadowski From michael at knox.net.nz Sat Mar 25 08:06:33 2006 From: michael at knox.net.nz (Michael J Knox) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:06:33 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] video contest prizes In-Reply-To: <1143256493.2271.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <442324DB.6000407@gnsa.us> <7f617d270603240647l4f5114cdo2f1e56731f2730e6@mail.gmail.com> <1143256493.2271.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <4424FA09.8030504@knox.net.nz> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:47 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > >> We have 5K USD total. It all depends on how much support we can get >> from Creatie Commons... If they decide to help us out a lot, we could >> spend all this money on the prizes. >> > > 5000$??? That is A HUGE!!! amounnt of money. > > May I ask why we are sponsoring this, rather than using to produce more > than just 10000 DVDs? > > As it is, 3000 DVDs will be gone at FUDCon Boston. > > that leaves 7000 DVDs for the whole year. > > IMO, cut the prize money in half, spend on DVDs. > > IF we get sponsorship from CC, use THEIR money for the prizes. We need > the DVDs more than the video > > I have to again. That money would be better used for production of DVD's for end users. Michael From michael at knox.net.nz Sat Mar 25 08:31:27 2006 From: michael at knox.net.nz (Michael J Knox) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:31:27 +1200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] video contest prizes In-Reply-To: <4424FA09.8030504@knox.net.nz> References: <442324DB.6000407@gnsa.us> <7f617d270603240647l4f5114cdo2f1e56731f2730e6@mail.gmail.com> <1143256493.2271.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <4424FA09.8030504@knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <4424FFDF.3040309@knox.net.nz> Michael J Knox wrote: > Tejas Dinkar wrote: >> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:47 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: >> >>> We have 5K USD total. It all depends on how much support we can get >>> from Creatie Commons... If they decide to help us out a lot, we could >>> spend all this money on the prizes. >>> >> >> 5000$??? That is A HUGE!!! amounnt of money. >> >> May I ask why we are sponsoring this, rather than using to produce more >> than just 10000 DVDs? >> >> As it is, 3000 DVDs will be gone at FUDCon Boston. >> >> that leaves 7000 DVDs for the whole year. >> >> IMO, cut the prize money in half, spend on DVDs. >> >> IF we get sponsorship from CC, use THEIR money for the prizes. We need >> the DVDs more than the video >> >> > > I have to again. > > That money would be better used for production of DVD's for end users. > > Michael I have to *agree* not again.. must read what I am sending. Michael From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 25 13:25:59 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project In-Reply-To: <1143267725.3395.3.camel@fedora> References: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <13dbfe4f0603240536r6d8fc0e6tdfecc5779f70badb@mail.gmail.com> <1143267725.3395.3.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <200603251326.00090.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Saturday 25 March 2006 06:22, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > On 3/24/06, Clair wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm gonna see how this works. I've started off a project, intended as a > > subproject of Ambassadors, and not a replacement, to help Ambassadors > > (and others) to spread the word of Fedora to others. > > > > It's all explained (hopefully) on the wiki, over at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/WordOfMouth > > I'm interested in telling people about Fedora, but I hope there won't be > any extra list or something like that. I'm alreay flooded with mails :D A mailing list won't be out of the question for the future... it's easier to get help that way, after all. I doubt it'd be very high traffic. Clair From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 25 13:31:39 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:31:39 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report In-Reply-To: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> References: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Saturday 25 March 2006 07:18, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > Hi, > > I have a pleasure to write you about Fedora Core Open Days that held in > Poland on 18-19 March. [snip] > I gave a FC4 DVD to one boy, although he asked me about FC5. I > distributed few copies of FC5. We haven't DVDs so we couldn't burn it > for all participants. And, we had access for CD version, so we would > have to have a lot of CDs to burn it to everybody. But it was also great > that we could have FC5 for this event, and we are very grateful, > especially to Patrick W. Barnes and Jesse Keating for their commitment > and that by dint of them we had FC5 earlier :) We had Ubuntu for > distribute at the event - heh, Fedora would be better, but it was better > to distribute Ubuntu than nothing ;) There was also a tournament in > Frozen Bubble and Python benchs. You distributed FC5 the day before release? Clair From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 25 13:32:53 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:02:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project In-Reply-To: <200603251326.00090.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <13dbfe4f0603240536r6d8fc0e6tdfecc5779f70badb@mail.gmail.com> <1143267725.3395.3.camel@fedora> <200603251326.00090.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1143293573.3802.305.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 13:25 +0000, Clair wrote: > On Saturday 25 March 2006 06:22, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > > On 3/24/06, Clair wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I'm gonna see how this works. I've started off a project, intended as a > > > subproject of Ambassadors, and not a replacement, to help Ambassadors > > > (and others) to spread the word of Fedora to others. > > > > > > It's all explained (hopefully) on the wiki, over at > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/WordOfMouth > > > > I'm interested in telling people about Fedora, but I hope there won't be > > any extra list or something like that. I'm alreay flooded with mails :D > > A mailing list won't be out of the question for the future... it's easier to > get help that way, after all. > > I doubt it'd be very high traffic. Wouldn't it be better to use the marketing list for that? Rahul From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 25 13:43:35 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:43:35 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project In-Reply-To: <1143293573.3802.305.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603251326.00090.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1143293573.3802.305.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603251343.35699.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Saturday 25 March 2006 13:32, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Wouldn't it be better to use the marketing list for that? Marketing, no. Ambassadors, maybe. Clair From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 25 13:48:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:18:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Word Of Mouth Project In-Reply-To: <200603251343.35699.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603232313.38330.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603251326.00090.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1143293573.3802.305.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <200603251343.35699.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1143294522.3802.307.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 13:43 +0000, Clair wrote: > On Saturday 25 March 2006 13:32, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Wouldn't it be better to use the marketing list for that? > > Marketing, no. Ambassadors, maybe. > Yeah. Either of them would work for me. Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 25 15:07:45 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:07:45 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report In-Reply-To: <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1143299265.15025.9.camel@fedora> On 25-03-2006, sat at 13:31 +0000, Clair wrote: > You distributed FC5 the day before release? I distributed it only for a few people (and left one copy at polytechnic that shared us their hardware and place). Some people come for FC5... I think it was in the event's frames, so in my opinion it wasn't something very bad. On Saturday I gave it only to one person (the man that told something like that he has a slow Internet connection so downloading FC would be for him troublesome) and we installed it (on Friday) on PCs at the polytechnic. When I gave it to more people servers in Australia were already opened from my knowledge, so only one person had it earlier. Regards, Pawel Sadowski From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 19:03:39 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:33:39 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report In-Reply-To: <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1143313419.2347.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 13:31 +0000, Clair wrote: > You distributed FC5 the day before release? This explains why our opening day profits were 0... Someone leaked the bootleg of FC5!!! I mean, even worse I bet we'll find 100s of pirated copies of FC5 all over the place. The Fedora FOundation is d00med!!!! Gja From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 19:22:07 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:52:07 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Inquiry - General marketing questions from a student of international business In-Reply-To: <26c71ad70603241324j6d310b26y118ebb376b5fde69@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c71ad70603180237g1cf49cddt98d569c3d29004b2@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603192121n2ae29831x8395ba04c1f214db@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603192321s3670cdecrcee9b36d8284d757@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603231155k7ea81a91s362344ac62446376@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603231221t535a271arc2b788e52b615af3@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603241109w2145bb5ah9192c0d3324dbbb@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603241324j6d310b26y118ebb376b5fde69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143314527.2347.14.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 22:24 +0100, Patrick Windt wrote: > The license fees alone would make it beneficial. Let us not forget the joy of helping one's neighbor > The problem I currently see in the Open Source is that, on one hand > you have a point that open source is about choices and everyone does > marketing in his or her own way. But on the other hand the marketing > efforts become so fragmented that it has lost a great deal of > effectiveness. Cathedral/Bazaar... We are disorganized to some extend, but we spread our message because we are united by our passion for OSS. > May I ask whether you (plural) have had marketing education or > experiences other than this? Not to mean disrespectful, just being > curious. Well, I have no marketing education at all. And IMO, (not to be disrespectful), that is probably my strong point. Traditional rules don't always apply when you are working on FOSS > I do want to contribute to spread of open source software, but I need > to understand how others will benefit from it, which I am in the > process of learning "these days". Great :) > Very kind regards, > > Patrick > > > > On 3/24/06, Alex Maier wrote: > I will respond to some questions, as most of them were > answered by the > great post by Tejas. and BTW, no offense taken--direct > questions are > the best! > > On 3/23/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > I just feel fascinated by the task of marketeers in the > Fedora community. > > Although you are not a commercial distribution, I should > believe that even > > the marketing department has some goals to obtain? For > example; get review > > in 5 magazines a month, or get so many registered fedora > users, or so many > > downloads.... > > Nope, we do not have any set goals, and we do not have a > structure to > enforce them. Whatever the community does, is great, and a > good thing > is that there are thousands of people out there who each > contribute > whatever little resources they can spare, and together we > achieve the > impact you see. > > > Finally, is the marketing "department" of the fedora > community in contact > > with the creators/developers? > > Yes, by all means. As we are not a commercial organization, > but a > group of volunteers, many of us "moonlight" as developers or > vice > versa. We have email lists to which anyone can subscribe, such > as > fedora-marketing list, and on these lists everyone can submit > their > input. > > We also have a wiki, on which our projects and sub-projects > keep their > information for the whole world to review and comment on. > > This is how we ensure that information flows freely between > the > projects within Fedora, as well as between the project itself > and the > rest of the world :) > > Now if I may ask you a question--in what project are you going > to use > the information about Fedora? Is there any way you might be > interested > in contributing? > > Thank you, > Alex > > > On 3/23/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > Partick, > > > > > > Please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ for > > some > > > background information. > > > > > > Fedora is not a commercial distribution, so we do not > really have a > > > corporate strategy behind all our actions. Rather, we try > to draw > > > attention to our projects and recruit more contributors. > > > > > > I have forwarded your request to fedora-marketing-list, > and the folks > > > there shall be in touch with you shortly with all sorts of > in-depth > > > comments. > > > > > > I really do not feel like I am the only person who konws > all the truth > > > about Fedora Marketin, and this is why I asked them to > help me out :) > > > > > > If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to > get in touch > > > with me again--I will try to help as much as I can. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Alex > > > > > > On 3/20/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > > > > > So if I get this right, seeing that you are indeed head > of marketing, > > the > > > > fedora marketing team focusses their attention on > promotion. Is Fedora > > Core > > > > not adapted to fit the needs of it's members, by lets > say a broad > > survey, or > > > > is it estimated what the target audience wants? > > > > > > > > Does the fedora marketing team have any firm strategic > or operational > > > > targets to obtain? > > > > > > > > I'm mostly interested in fedora's marketing strategy > since it is very > > much > > > > different from a regular company. It is indeed non > profitable and you do > > not > > > > have a tangible item. > > > > > > > > Friendly greetings, > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/20/06, Alex Maier < lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Dear Patrick, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your inquiry. I lead the > Ambassadors project, > > > > > and this is what I can speak for :) > > > > > > > > > > The Ambassadors project is a grass-roots initiative > mostly centered > > > > > around "getting the word out" to the people outside > the Fedora project > > > > > and also helping Fedora Project communicate with > Fedora and Linux > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > If you have any more questions, please feel free to > get in touch with > > > > > me or the entire Steering Committee (Famsco) for more > help. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your interest in Fedora, > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > On 3/18/06, Patrick Windt > wrote: > > > > > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > > > > > > > > > As an international marketing student, I was > wondering in what > > aspects > > > > the > > > > > > marketing department of "fedora" is integrated in > the final product > > > > release. > > > > > > Or is the marketing of fedora solely based on > "getting the word out" > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to get some insight in the marketing > plan of Fedora... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Windt > > > > > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! > > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Patrick Windt > > > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Patrick Windt > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Patrick Windt > paddy.windt at gmail.com From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 26 08:31:51 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report In-Reply-To: <1143313419.2347.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1143313419.2347.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143361912.2717.9.camel@fedora> On 26-03-2006, sun at 00:33 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > This explains why our opening day profits were 0... > > Someone leaked the bootleg of FC5!!! You are exaggerating. I didn't steal FC5! I would never do that. > I mean, even worse > > I bet we'll find 100s of pirated copies of FC5 all over the place. You're kidding. Only one copy was distributed before the release - to man, that said he has a slow Internet access. So if I didn't distribute it too him, maybe he wouldn't try FC in general. I requested him not to share it with anybody. Anyway, one little boy asked me about FC5, and I told him I can't give it to him - I gave him FC4 DVD. > The Fedora FOundation is d00med!!!! If you think I shouldn't be an ambassador, just tell me. Pawel From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 10:04:09 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:34:09 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report In-Reply-To: <1143361912.2717.9.camel@fedora> References: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1143313419.2347.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361912.2717.9.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <1143367449.2580.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 10:31 +0200, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > On 26-03-2006, sun at 00:33 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > This explains why our opening day profits were 0... > > > > Someone leaked the bootleg of FC5!!! > > You are exaggerating. I didn't steal FC5! I would never do that. > > > I mean, even worse > > > > I bet we'll find 100s of pirated copies of FC5 all over the place. > > You're kidding. Only one copy was distributed before the release - to > man, that said he has a slow Internet access. So if I didn't distribute > it too him, maybe he wouldn't try FC in general. I requested him not to > share it with anybody. Anyway, one little boy asked me about FC5, and I > told him I can't give it to him - I gave him FC4 DVD. In short, I *was* joking! You may have noticed this small line at the end of my last message "" Here is what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm Someone had said that `you shouldn't have given out FC5 DVDs pre release`, and I was simply pointing out that by giving out FC5 a few days early, you did not do any harm to Fedora, and in Fact, helped promote it... > If you think I shouldn't be an ambassador, just tell me. Pawel Sadowski, you are an excellent ambassador, please keep up the good work. Sorry if you misunderstood me Gja From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 26 10:42:48 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:42:48 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FCOD Report In-Reply-To: <1143367449.2580.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143271090.3922.41.camel@fedora> <200603251331.39861.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1143313419.2347.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361912.2717.9.camel@fedora> <1143367449.2580.5.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143369768.2992.2.camel@fedora> On 26-03-2006, sun at 15:34 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 10:31 +0200, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > > On 26-03-2006, sun at 00:33 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > This explains why our opening day profits were 0... > > > > > > Someone leaked the bootleg of FC5!!! > > > > You are exaggerating. I didn't steal FC5! I would never do that. > > > > > I mean, even worse > > > > > > I bet we'll find 100s of pirated copies of FC5 all over the place. > > > > You're kidding. Only one copy was distributed before the release - to > > man, that said he has a slow Internet access. So if I didn't distribute > > it too him, maybe he wouldn't try FC in general. I requested him not to > > share it with anybody. Anyway, one little boy asked me about FC5, and I > > told him I can't give it to him - I gave him FC4 DVD. > > In short, I *was* joking! > > You may have noticed this small line at the end of my last message > > "" > > Here is what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm > > Someone had said that `you shouldn't have given out FC5 DVDs pre > release`, and I was simply pointing out that by giving out FC5 a few > days early, you did not do any harm to Fedora, and in Fact, helped > promote it... > > > If you think I shouldn't be an ambassador, just tell me. > > Pawel Sadowski, you are an excellent ambassador, please keep up the good > work. > > Sorry if you misunderstood me > > Gja Ok, indeed - I wasn't familiar with sarcasm, I misunderstood :) I sigh with relief - I was really afraid that somebody can say I sohouldn't be an ambassador. Thanks :) Regards, Pawel Sadowski From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 13:42:15 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:12:15 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Talk at the BLUG Message-ID: <1143380536.2415.8.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> As I said yesterday, I gave a 15 min speed talk at My Lug (The Bangalore LUG) on the new Fedora Core 5. The wiki page upload is cursed, and everytime I try to upload my slides, my router gets disconnected, or my power goes, so I will upload them later. For now, you can get some photos. All photos of the whole meet here: http://blug.in/image/tid/17 A Photo of Me, with my talk is here: http://blug.in/node/155 In particular, during my talk, I stressed on how Fedora Core 5 has dramatically improved for the Laptop. The photo of the demo I gave is here: http://blug.in/node/159 And apart from this, the slides will be up soon. The talk itself was aimed to help train *speakers* in my lug. Sort of Like American Idol style. At the end, I was told that I gave my talk a bit too fast, so that is something I need to work on. Gja PS: These Guys are the Local Gentoo Fanatics, watch out for them ;) http://blug.in/node/165 From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Sun Mar 26 14:02:05 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:02:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FLISOL 2006 - DF, Brazil In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603240315n421ecd8dkae4a492d8ff5b87a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060326140205.14108.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What about the DVDs and T-shirts for FISL? Alex? Can you provide us with these until April 19? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes Chitlesh GOORAH escreveu: On 3/23/06, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > SERPRO (Government's Company) will distribute 80 of their FC4 LiveCDs (see LiveCDs) > > HugoCisneiros will distribute 50 of Kadischi created FC5 LiveCDs > > HugoCisneiros will distribute 30 copies of his Linux guide, TLM ( http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/tlm Hello Hugo, I don't want to be some negative but I feel I have to say these: Considering, - FC4 is nearly on its way to legacy in the next few months - and FC5 release early this week, - Fedora's policy is to provide Latest Open Source software. I myself won't spread FC4 Livecds. thanks for your interest in Kadischi. nevertheless you can't say FC5 LiveCDs built with Kadischi see my draft : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/legal in brief: Kadischi is still underdevelopment and the down side of kadischi is its hardware detection. These Live cds can work on some computers and It might not on others. If this is the case, It might give a wrong image of Fedora Core 5. I would suggest that you subscribe to the Fedora-Livecd list for more assistance. Do you have some scripts that can smooth the rough edges of the livecd ? Nevertheless, for your event you can talk about The Kadischi Project :) Cheers Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Search D? uma espiadinha e saiba tudo sobre o Big Brother Brasil. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex? > > Can you provide us with these until April 19? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Rodrigo Menezes Rodrigo, Are you currently working with RodrigoPadula? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Make sure there is only one request via Fedora Ambassadors Material Request Form. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 26 23:45:39 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:45:39 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Steering committee meeting last night. In-Reply-To: <1142336118.2470.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <200603140407.43497.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1142336118.2470.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603261545q7dde6c28g2b78b5757db0bfe4@mail.gmail.com> >> LinuxTag would deny that Fedora was a project, but rather a part of Red Hat, In fact, any other event organizer will do that!!! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2006-03-13 # gregdek: We need dead simple messaging. Which means we need to agree on the messaging. And the simpler the proposed messaging, the harder it is to agree to it. :) So Who's responsible for that simple message? Ambassadors? Marketing Project? Red Hat? #lxmaier: pardon my disillusionment, but i think it will be red hat #mspevack_hm: i see no reason why an ambassadors/marketing steering committee made up of community members (and also red hat folks) cannot make a perfectly reasonable proposal that is actionable #It was resolved that famsco will begin working on the messaging on the list after the meeting--we have more items to cover. famsco will draft-refine and rhat approve the dead-simple messaging. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 02:36:48 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:06:48 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Talk at the BLUG In-Reply-To: <1143380536.2415.8.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143380536.2415.8.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143427008.3802.373.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 19:12 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > As I said yesterday, I gave a 15 min speed talk at My Lug (The Bangalore > LUG) on the new Fedora Core 5. > > The wiki page upload is cursed, and everytime I try to upload my slides, > my router gets disconnected, or my power goes, so I will upload them > later. > > For now, you can get some photos. > > All photos of the whole meet here: > http://blug.in/image/tid/17 > > A Photo of Me, with my talk is here: > http://blug.in/node/155 > > In particular, during my talk, I stressed on how Fedora Core 5 has > dramatically improved for the Laptop. > > The photo of the demo I gave is here: > http://blug.in/node/159 > > And apart from this, the slides will be up soon. > > The talk itself was aimed to help train *speakers* in my lug. Sort of > Like American Idol style. > > At the end, I was told that I gave my talk a bit too fast, so that is > something I need to work on. Yes slow down a bit and cover more details. Something obvious to you like say Fedora only includes Free and open source software is freely redistributable and used even commercially might be news to your audience for example. It all boils down to who you are presenting it to. Rahul From david at projetofedora.org Mon Mar 27 03:14:59 2006 From: david at projetofedora.org (David Barzilay) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:14:59 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FLISOL 2006 - DF, Brazil Message-ID: yep, they are both working together on the event. many thanks guys, and good luck! best, -- db > On 3/26/06, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > What about the DVDs and T-shirts for FISL? Alex? > > > > Can you provide us with these until April 19? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > Rodrigo, > Are you currently working with RodrigoPadula? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > Make sure there is only one request via Fedora Ambassadors Material > Request Form. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- David Barzilay Embaixador Global do Fedora Embaixador Remoto para o Brasil From wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 10:36:34 2006 From: wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org (Wassim K.) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:36:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everybody! It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora Core 5 DVD. The reason is that I don't have a good connection, and the guy who can download it doesn't have a DVD burner, and he's not allowed to plug a device in his office. Here's my deal: If someone can send me 2 DVD's containing respectively the OS and the extras, I will make copies and send them back to 3 other Fedora users around the world that you specify the addresses (remember the Kevin Spacey's "Pay it forward" :-)) I would prefer that the sender lives around the Mediterranean sea or Europe so that the package arrives faster. 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Name: extra_src.bz2 Type: application/x-bzip2 Size: 11876 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 12:12:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:42:13 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello everybody! > It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora > Core 5 DVD. Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Rahul From wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 12:40:51 2006 From: wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org (Wassim K.) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:40:51 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree, but "SORRY, WE HAVE REACHED THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY" :-) That's why I asked whether someone can send :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEKS7esBDlgRgEI4IRAhs4AKDoo34X2us4/crjb5Ux5rATJJgv8QCgv671 S86rf3sxT5Wp/yXvttGVya4= =cAMK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/28/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello everybody! > > It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora > > Core 5 DVD. > > Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 28 12:57:06 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:57:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2139.217.193.143.106.1143550626.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Wassim, neither post your mail - address on the list nor send me an e-mail with your mail-address ... I'll send you two copies and one as data with the ISO immages of the CD's and the DvD ... Let me know, what you want Regards Gerold Wassim K. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I agree, but "SORRY, WE HAVE REACHED THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY" :-) > That's why I asked whether someone can send :-) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEKS7esBDlgRgEI4IRAhs4AKDoo34X2us4/crjb5Ux5rATJJgv8QCgv671 > S86rf3sxT5Wp/yXvttGVya4= > =cAMK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > On 3/28/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > Hello everybody! >> > It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora >> > Core 5 DVD. >> >> Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 13:13:18 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:43:18 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143551598.3802.484.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 14:40 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I agree, but "SORRY, WE HAVE REACHED THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY" :-) > That's why I asked whether someone can send :-) It was open for requests for a long time. Anyway I believe you already have been send media now. Rahul From wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 13:13:26 2006 From: wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org (Wassim K.) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:13:26 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <2139.217.193.143.106.1143550626.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <2139.217.193.143.106.1143550626.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks Gerold. Well, Tomas told he will send me the DVD OS today, I guess it's already done. I'm looking for the extra's DVD that I will put (locally) as http server so that collegues can install whatever they look for. Regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEKTbHsBDlgRgEI4IRAgZqAKCnNUmSyNdAQzoovPdDYbSMpUiVhwCgs5HV t63MKV9D88nXCDyF4sB+69Q= =QNvv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/28/06, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Wassim, > > neither post your mail - address on the list nor send me an e-mail with > your mail-address ... > > I'll send you two copies and one as data with the ISO immages of the CD's > and the DvD ... > > Let me know, what you want > > Regards > > Gerold > > Wassim K. wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I agree, but "SORRY, WE HAVE REACHED THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY" :-) > > That's why I asked whether someone can send :-) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFEKS7esBDlgRgEI4IRAhs4AKDoo34X2us4/crjb5Ux5rATJJgv8QCgv671 > > S86rf3sxT5Wp/yXvttGVya4= > > =cAMK > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > On 3/28/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> > Hello everybody! > >> > It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora > >> > Core 5 DVD. > >> > >> Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia > >> > >> Rahul > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 28 13:28:06 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:28:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <55447.194.80.32.10.1143552486.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello everybody! >> It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora >> Core 5 DVD. > > Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Or, indeed, download it ;) [insert link to many mirrors here] Clair From wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 13:32:27 2006 From: wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org (Wassim K.) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:32:27 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <55447.194.80.32.10.1143552486.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <55447.194.80.32.10.1143552486.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: Clair: > The reason is that I don't have a good connection, and the > guy who can download it doesn't have a DVD burner, and he's not > allowed to plug a device in his office. ;-) On 3/28/06, Clair wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Hello everybody! > >> It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora > >> Core 5 DVD. > > > > Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia > > Or, indeed, download it ;) > > [insert link to many mirrors here] > > > Clair > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -- Geroge Bernard Shaw From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 16:04:36 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:34:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <55447.194.80.32.10.1143552486.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On 3/28/06, Clair wrote: > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > >> > > >> Hello everybody! > > >> It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora > > >> Core 5 DVD. > > > > > > Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia > > > > Or, indeed, download it ;) Terribly insensitive remark. When 56kbps dialup is a luxury, how can you expect people to download 5 GB of ISOs? I think it is fair for him to ask for one DVD/CD set for personal use. I one ran a yum install on a box with 36.6 dialup (around FC2 times). It took 4 hours just to get the yum headers. Connections are not available everywhere, and often, these are the places which need FC5 the most FreeMedia does not distribute to Ambassadors, (something which probably will change later, at least hopefully) > You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; > and I say "Why not?" > -- Geroge Bernard Shaw Isn't that the signature of "The Sankarshan"? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 16:11:58 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:41:58 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143547933.3802.466.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <55447.194.80.32.10.1143552486.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143562318.3802.543.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 21:34 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On 3/28/06, Clair wrote: > > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:36 +0200, Wassim K. wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > > >> > > > >> Hello everybody! > > > >> It's a shame that, as Fedora ambassador, I still don't have Fedora > > > >> Core 5 DVD. > > > > > > > > Well then, its a shame that you didn't request for it. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia > > > > > > Or, indeed, download it ;) > > Terribly insensitive remark. > > When 56kbps dialup is a luxury, how can you expect people to download 5 > GB of ISOs? I think it is fair for him to ask for one DVD/CD set for > personal use. > > I one ran a yum install on a box with 36.6 dialup (around FC2 times). It > took 4 hours just to get the yum headers. Connections are not available > everywhere, and often, these are the places which need FC5 the most > > FreeMedia does not distribute to Ambassadors, (something which probably > will change later, at least hopefully) Who told you that? Freemedia distributes to everyone who asks for it as long as we have stock to send. I am just looking at it companies where I get media labeled and mass produced before I do this myself. Rahul From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 28 16:15:40 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:15:40 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <200603281715.40475.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:04, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > Or, indeed, download it ;) > > Terribly insensitive remark. > > When 56kbps dialup is a luxury, how can you expect people to download 5 > GB of ISOs? I think it is fair for him to ask for one DVD/CD set for > personal use. I wouldn't call 56k "luxury" anymore - nowadays much of the world is broadband. I'm on 2mb and that's considered *slow* to the Americans and mainland Europeans. > I one ran a yum install on a box with 36.6 dialup (around FC2 times). It > took 4 hours just to get the yum headers. Connections are not available > everywhere, and often, these are the places which need FC5 the most That's where the vendors come in: I spend many hours slaving over that list. How about using it? ;) > FreeMedia does not distribute to Ambassadors, (something which probably > will change later, at least hopefully) Check out Word Of Mouth: http://fedoraproject.org/Marketing/WordOfMouth Clair From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 28 16:25:02 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:25:02 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <1143562318.3802.543.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143562318.3802.543.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603281725.02306.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:11, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > FreeMedia does not distribute to Ambassadors, (something which probably > > will change later, at least hopefully) > > Who told you that? Freemedia distributes to everyone who asks for it as > long as we have stock to send. I am just looking at it companies where I > get media labeled and mass produced before I do this myself. It indeed says so on the page :) "If you're a Fedora Ambassador or Fedora Contributor, you will not receive any DVD via this program." Clair From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 16:29:12 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:59:12 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <200603281725.02306.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143562318.3802.543.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <200603281725.02306.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1143563353.3802.545.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 17:25 +0100, Clair wrote: > On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:11, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > FreeMedia does not distribute to Ambassadors, (something which probably > > > will change later, at least hopefully) > > > > Who told you that? Freemedia distributes to everyone who asks for it as > > long as we have stock to send. I am just looking at it companies where I > > get media labeled and mass produced before I do this myself. > > It indeed says so on the page :) > "If you're a Fedora Ambassador or Fedora Contributor, you will not receive any > DVD via this program." > Reality seems to be different. I sure send in stuff to people who contributed. I have removed that note for now. Will discuss it with Thomas chung and see where it ends up. Rahul From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 17:45:49 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:15:49 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <200603281715.40475.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1143561876.2018.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <200603281715.40475.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603282315.57613.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 21:45, Clair wrote: > On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:04, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > > Or, indeed, download it ;) > > > > Terribly insensitive remark. > > > > When 56kbps dialup is a luxury, how can you expect people to download 5 > > GB of ISOs? I think it is fair for him to ask for one DVD/CD set for > > personal use. > > I wouldn't call 56k "luxury" anymore - nowadays much of the world is > broadband. I'm on 2mb and that's considered *slow* to the Americans and > mainland Europeans. Sorry, but countries like India, a 256k connection is also not available everywhere. Actually 2mb is dream for me :) > > > I one ran a yum install on a box with 36.6 dialup (around FC2 times). It > > took 4 hours just to get the yum headers. Connections are not available > > everywhere, and often, these are the places which need FC5 the most > > That's where the vendors come in: I spend many hours slaving over that > list. How about using it? ;) > > > FreeMedia does not distribute to Ambassadors, (something which probably > > will change later, at least hopefully) > > Check out Word Of Mouth: http://fedoraproject.org/Marketing/WordOfMouth 404 Error > > Clair Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2006-03-23 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 03:48:15 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:48:15 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] fedora-ambassadors-list public archive Message-ID: <369bce3b0603281948p2a0f28ffh3d783fb9992d3dc6@mail.gmail.com> All, You asked for it and our famsco discussed, voted then made a decision. Yes, it's *OPEN* to public now. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/ Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 10:02:24 2006 From: wassim.karoui at fedoraproject.org (Wassim K.) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:02:24 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Requesting DVDs In-Reply-To: <200603290017.50787.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603281715.40475.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603282315.57613.kushaldas@gmail.com> <200603290017.50787.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In fact, fast connection is still a luxury in Tunisia. Due to average communication infrastructure, an only ADSL 128 kb/sec. costs more or less $40 per month. It's certainly exciting to try it out during some months, but that doesn't help one's budget when the minimal salary is for about $200... Regarding the signature, it's not "The Sankarshan"'s signature, but Shaw's quote that I picked from wikiquote :-) To avoid "conflicts", I switched it to a funny one :-) Regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEKlsbsBDlgRgEI4IRAq9WAJ9cu34u+ZN/BcqQzqK+26KKu8HozgCg2rhz Mu9eG2ITNhGXaxTtg9JzNzI= =vSzu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/29/06, Clair wrote: > On Tuesday 28 March 2006 18:45, Kushal Das wrote: > > > Check out Word Of Mouth: http://fedoraproject.org/Marketing/WordOfMouth > > > > 404 Error > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/WordOfMouth > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother. -- Albert Einstein From aks.abhishek at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 17:07:24 2006 From: aks.abhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Singh) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:52:24 +0545 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About FC5 DVD Message-ID: <73396bd30603290907r27def2a5x3096c5b0a40f6a8c@mail.gmail.com> Dear All, I've been trying to download the DVD image of FC5, but due to slow connection speed I've not been able to download. 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Check out: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia Clair From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 21:27:30 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:27:30 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] About FC5 DVD In-Reply-To: <73396bd30603290907r27def2a5x3096c5b0a40f6a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <73396bd30603290907r27def2a5x3096c5b0a40f6a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603291327g4bfef415s5616354722c82803@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/06, Abhishek Singh wrote: > Dear All, > I've been trying to download the DVD image of FC5, but due to > slow connection speed I've not been able to download. Could somebody please > help me to get one DVD. > > Thanks > > Regards > Abhishek Singh Abhishek, please send me a private email. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 23:14:51 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:14:51 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2006-03-23 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603281931p6e619540q65071ebca9df86b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0603281931p6e619540q65071ebca9df86b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603291514y27df7c9bncd29be408cdfe64f@mail.gmail.com> #001 Priority 2 - Item 4: FedoraLibraries * ChitleshGoorah not present * ke4qqq: did we ever get the ISBN number for the dvd? * lxmaier: not that i am aware of... * lxmaier: ke4qqq: want to raise this issue on the list to revive it? * ke4qqq: I will Okie, I didn't see anything afterwards :( besides my ISSN! I need to spare time for this little project. #002 * June 23-25, 2006 Journe du Libre 4 Strasbourg, France - ChitleshGoorah ChitleshGoorah not present Till now, nothing new, nor will be tomorrow. :( Ill probably miss the tomorrow's meeting, so It goes :) The situation is quite difficult and harsh. We (the lug members) are striving hard thrice a week around a table + beers to discuss about our eventual event. It happens that till now, there are two sponsors. Hence the situation is critical. Our objective is to attain at least ten, just to compensate our expenses. Since, I don't have any contacts to serve a purpose here, I've been appointed to take care of the .org booths. http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/jl4-orga/assoc Fedora will eventually have one if there's an event. Sponsors are hard to find and some of the guys here are opting to give up the search. These will be decided in the upcoming 2 weeks. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 12:54:54 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:24:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] I'm on Holiday!!! Message-ID: <1143723294.2054.4.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Hey all, I'm going to be unavailable until the 10th, as I'm going on holiday. I WILL have limited access to gmail, so if you have the sudden urge to flame me, or to generally get my attention, please send a mail to tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com, or CC me if you are sending to the list. Thanks a Load Gja From info at kampnytt.com Thu Mar 30 15:17:11 2006 From: info at kampnytt.com (mosp) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:17:11 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] My status and some other stuff In-Reply-To: <20060329183304.3F2127317C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060329183304.3F2127317C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <442BF677.40309@kampnytt.com> Hi! I have had some serios problems with FC5 and havent been able to reply to anything on the list. Here are some updates on my last post on the list and some thoughts/requests. --- My Status as an ambassador --- Sorry Alex for not replying to you message on my ambassador status. My computer crashed and i lost that list. Anyhow, i have decided to stay and to do what i can. I have signed up for the project that Clair mentioned to me about. Mainly now i am focusing on how i can do my work as an ambassador. Mainly i would need a professional website to get where i need to be. Other than that i will continue with what i have been doing. I will not attend that many meetings. Mostly because of lack of time, but also because they dont really help or give me anything useful. --- Distributing dvd's --- Attended last meeting and followed the discussion on dvd's being distributed. I really dont care how or where these are distributed. What i do care about are that if these dvd's are handed out or mailed somewhere, these cds have to look professional. We really need to have an image that will be printed on every dvd distributed that makes it look manufactured (take a look at the ubuntu project) A homeburned dvd with some simple print on it is really bad. That doesnt look good at all. And can basically hurt Fedora Core. I have seen and heard people talk about these things and a simple print is just as bad as if you write Fedora Core on the dvd with a marker. --- Help with marketing/support --- I really need some help with builing an base for fedora. A website with a proper domain. And considering that the government is taking most of my income i cant pay this myself. Is there any possibility to get help with domainregistration and webhotell fees? I can talk to companies about the price so it wont be expensive. This would make a huge difference from how things are today. I dont have the proper channels to promote fedora. No way to do this in a professional way. Thats all for now! Best regards, Mikael Jacobsson (mosp) Fedora Core Sweden From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 30 15:29:50 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:59:50 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] My status and some other stuff In-Reply-To: <442BF677.40309@kampnytt.com> References: <20060329183304.3F2127317C@hormel.redhat.com> <442BF677.40309@kampnytt.com> Message-ID: <1143732591.3802.694.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 17:17 +0200, mosp wrote: > --- Help with marketing/support --- > > I really need some help with builing an base for fedora. A website with > a proper domain. And considering that the government is taking most of > my income i cant pay this myself. > > Is there any possibility to get help with domainregistration and > webhotell fees? > I can talk to companies about the price so it wont be expensive. You want to build a new marketing specific website something like http://www.spreadfirefox.com/. can we talk more about in the marketing list before getting involved in the cost discussion? Rahul From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 30 17:54:20 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:54:20 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Absence to this and next week meeting Message-ID: Sorry but i can't follow the ambassador meeting in those two week because i'm in Rome and then in Innsbruck and Munich for work. I can follow the newsletter thanks to business laptop (but i don't have propretary access to install irc :( ). So thanks for your patience. Francesco Ugolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 30 20:39:45 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:39:45 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2006-03-30 Message-ID: <369bce3b0603301239i7116d2a6x40244ccacea0cd2e@mail.gmail.com> Here is the meeting minutes for this morning's Ambassadors meeting: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2006-03-30 See you in two weeks! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kushaldas at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 12:02:11 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:32:11 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in a dance programme for 30 seconds Message-ID: <200603311732.17273.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, My tentant's daughter will have a dance programme in her college. So, I did some small mixing (songs) for her using audacity in fedora and I asked her to talk about fedora (for at least 30 seconds) after her performance. :) She also asked me to talk with their principal about any future program in their college. Reards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wk.20050201 at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 13:20:26 2006 From: wk.20050201 at gmail.com (Wassim K.) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:20:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Breaking an ambassador rule? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everybody! I should invite people and encourage them to use Fedora, however, there are forbidden items I should avoid to talk about: [quote] You really should not be directing people to copyright infringing code with your Fedora Ambassador hat on. This means, that with the exception of what we provide in Fedora Core, or Fedora Extras, you are not to be telling people to go and get other 3rd party applications (that can read their PDFs better, or play their illegal MP3 music). Pointing them to a resource like Google, or the FedoraFAQ might be a good idea, but don't send them to a third-party repository. [/quote] If I respect this rule, I will lose users. Most of my friends and people I meet don't (or did not) know anything about Fedora, and if I tell them "google for this", this won't help me a lot. I explain: In Tunisia, piracy is not a tabu thing: there're no "digital" laws, and even if there are, they are not seriously respected. Thus, anyone can get CD's of Windows, Office, Adobe and Macromedia softwares, development environment (Visual Studio and so), etc. All this stuff for less than $10! This is not really clandestine, since you may find in Tunis hundreds of shops where it's written "gravure logiciels pour 1 dinar". What I wanted to say, is that "restrictions" and fairness won't convert curious and hesitating people; besides, if they have to use Linux, they automatically choose Mandriva and SuSe: they like their interfaces! Here are some frequent answers when I talk about restrictions in Fedora: "Why do I have to care about USA? Do I seem to live there? They even refused to me a student visa" "With Linux, I can't play my favorite games, do you want me to forget my favorite music too?" "If you offer me an OGG player, then I will convert all my MP3's to OGG" "It's the first time that I legally get a DVD, and I'm not allowed to watch it?""I paid $500 for this camera, I want at least to watch scenes I made" There are more serious ones: "I use J2E for living; if I migrate from Windows, then I have to find Sun's Java on the other OS" I can't say that I haven't broken this condition; yes, I did, otherwise, people would not accept to install Fedora: I have a CD containing only a tarball archive and a bash script, if you execute the script, it will install everything missing in /usr/local , and I admit it's one of the points that made me succeed to promote and spread Fedora around friends and people asking for help. I'm not doing a mea culpa, but I think that I have to inform Fedora ambassadors about my infraction, if you may call it so. Nothing is illegal anyway: There's no law here that prohibits using MP3; besides, according to the licenses, I'm allowed to copy and distribute the non open source softwares "as is". What do you think, dear ambassadors, and what ideas do you suggest? Attracting people, event if they are not that serious, or sermonizing, which makes them escape? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFELTpssBDlgRgEI4IRAu75AKDRNHRzwdMd6kwdu+c+ynlaqylJVACaA+OQ KQDmAyNbCwnskUvIf/fEIb0= =674Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother. -- Albert Einstein From info at kampnytt.com Fri Mar 31 15:16:42 2006 From: info at kampnytt.com (mosp) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:16:42 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: My status and some other stuff Message-ID: <442D47DA.3010503@kampnytt.com> >You want to build a new marketing specific website something like >http://www.spreadfirefox.com/. can we talk more about in the marketing >list before getting involved in the cost discussion? > >Rahul I want to build something in Swedish, maybe like the one you mentioned. I have some ideas for how things should be. I will sign up to the marketing list as soon as possible.. Mikael From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 18:47:30 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:47:30 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in a dance programme for 30 seconds In-Reply-To: <200603311732.17273.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200603311732.17273.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603311047k27b6a557p3f33a6eebe2f5a15@mail.gmail.com> On 3/31/06, Kushal Das wrote: > Hi, > My tentant's daughter will have a dance programme in her college. So, I did > some small mixing (songs) for her using audacity in fedora and I asked her to > talk about fedora (for at least 30 seconds) after her performance. :) > She also asked me to talk with their principal about any future program in > their college. > > Reards, > Kushal Kudos to you and your daughter. :) Cheers! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kushaldas at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 19:46:55 2006 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:16:55 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in a dance programme for 30 seconds In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603311047k27b6a557p3f33a6eebe2f5a15@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603311732.17273.kushaldas@gmail.com> <369bce3b0603311047k27b6a557p3f33a6eebe2f5a15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604010117.01641.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Saturday 01 April 2006 00:17, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 3/31/06, Kushal Das wrote: > > Hi, > > My tentant's daughter will have a dance programme in her college. So, I > > did some small mixing (songs) for her using audacity in fedora and I > > asked her to talk about fedora (for at least 30 seconds) after her > > performance. :) She also asked me to talk with their principal about any > > future program in their college. > > > > Reards, > > Kushal > > Kudos to you and your daughter. :) > Cheers! > -- > Thomas Chung !!!! Sorry boss, I am unmarried. :) Regards, Kushal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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