From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Sun Apr 1 07:41:04 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armelk (AKServer)) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:41:04 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <003f01c77431$1a7e8ff0$9000a8c0@W2000ARMEL> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-04-01 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones qui aura lieu ce dimanche (1er Avril) ? 20h30 heure de Paris. IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting . Armel From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 10:16:16 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:16:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora European Infrastructure - 2nd try In-Reply-To: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <460F8670.2080100@fedoraproject.org> > a non profit organisation, and sell things through a shop, there are no tax at all normally (or at least in france) Personally, I'm not sure it the best way, because the high risk is to forget we are a Global community, i think we can use the existent tool RedHat is offering, we can use RedHat Germany or France or something else as our money box or just open a Swiss account (as Joerg proposed) that will solved this issue (you can chose an anonymous account, with password, as someone said). > bank account managed by a legal entity (not by an individual) See the text above. > a swiss bank account (proposed by JoergSimon) > > - before or after LinuxTag2007 ? - not yet decided I think it's better to open this one after LinuxTag, so we can decide all together the best solution (real discussion is, in my opinion, one of the best tool to decide about this issue). I encourage all European (and non) to say their opinion. Regards Francesco Ugolini Mirjam W?ckerlin ha scritto: > Hello, > > The thread about Fedora European Infrastructure (FEI) has been silent > for quite a while ? too long IMHO. It would be a pity if this idea > went down, because we have the possibility to enhance the > infrastructure in Europe now, and chances like this don't come along > every day. > By now, European Ambassadors are dependent from RedHat US when it > comes to shipping dvds, merchandise, or having money for events etc. > If the FEI idea succeeds, Europe could have its own budget (and more > autonomy), and FEI will decide who will get the money. > > I've got the impression that there is no clear picture of what FEI > would do and what it would be good for. Let give me some very simple > ?use cases" of what FEI could do. > > Someone wants to do a fedora booth on an important event. For costs > like printing flyers, merchandise, travelling and hotel he can ask FEI > who will decide if and how much money from the budget he will get. > > Some events are more important than others, and the budget may not be > enough to cover all of them. FEI will create a public list with events > who have to be covered (with the help of all European Ambassadors). > > Someone experiences problems while organising an event (this problems > may be: finances, the application for the event or others) FEI is the > point of contact. > > Non-local European events (like Fosdem or European FADs) where > Ambassadors from all over Europe/the world will meet will be > coordinated by FEI. > > > French Ambassadors have made the decision to create a local entity. If > Ambassadors from a country do so, they will have all the support from > FEI (and from all other Ambassadors, too, of course). Creating a local > entity though is a lot of work which is not Fedora specific, meaning > the work is mostly bureaucratic and centering at legal tasks. This is > - with FEI - not imperatively needed, because FEI will create the > missing infrastructure and step in, especially where Europeans feel > left behind. But if Ambassadors from a country are still convinced > that they need a legal entity, they merit the support from all of us. > > The question if FEI should be a legal entity: personally, I wouldn't > like it, because FEI is not there for doing bureaucratic tasks. But > this point should be clarified by a lawyer, to be sure that there > won't be any legal problems. > > Another proposition on this list was to wait till LinuxTag to discuss > the subject over there. I think it's better to discuss and make the > decision here, because this is an important subject where everybody > should have the possibility to discuss about and get involved. Let's > use Linuxtag as a place to officially launch FEI. Chitlesh and I think > Gerold will be the perfect ambassador to cut the ribbon ;-) > > Now, I ask every Ambassador on this list: take five minutes and think > about this idea, and how we can get it to work. Then reply here, or > better: speed to the wikipage to edit it > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe). > > And last but not least: if you are interested in becoming the FEI, > raise your hand! > > Regards, > > Mirjam > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 12:13:41 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:13:41 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora European Infrastructure - 2nd try In-Reply-To: <460F8670.2080100@fedoraproject.org> References: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> <460F8670.2080100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0704010513q22c98ce3s8e5d1799c25229fb@mail.gmail.com> On 4/1/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > - before or after LinuxTag2007 ? - not yet decided > > I think it's better to open this one after LinuxTag, so we can decide > all together the best solution (real discussion is, in my opinion, one > of the best tool to decide about this issue). Hello there, Ok, if we _open_ it (as you said) after LinuxTag, - when will the discussions take place ? - who will engage into _serious_ discussions ? - who will lead ? no one stepped forward yet. If it continues, let's forget FEI. May, June and July are always busy months for students like me. So you will less likely see some of us active during that period. In general, the best solution is always taken out from many solutions. The latter hasn't yet made surface. And "many solutions" implies real discussion, we haven't yet done. regards, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 12:29:38 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:29:38 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora European Infrastructure - 2nd try In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0704010513q22c98ce3s8e5d1799c25229fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> <460F8670.2080100@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0704010513q22c98ce3s8e5d1799c25229fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <460FA5B2.5050407@fedoraproject.org> Sorry I've misspelled what i want to say. I mean during LinuxTag. Sorry again Chitlesh GOORAH ha scritto: > On 4/1/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> > - before or after LinuxTag2007 ? - not yet decided >> >> I think it's better to open this one after LinuxTag, so we can decide >> all together the best solution (real discussion is, in my opinion, one >> of the best tool to decide about this issue). > > Hello there, > Ok, if we _open_ it (as you said) after LinuxTag, > - when will the discussions take place ? > - who will engage into _serious_ discussions ? > - who will lead ? > no one stepped forward yet. If it continues, let's forget FEI. > > May, June and July are always busy months for students like me. So you > will less likely see some of us active during that period. > > In general, the best solution is always taken out from many solutions. > The latter hasn't yet made surface. And "many solutions" implies real > discussion, we haven't yet done. > > regards, > Chitlesh -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 19:11:56 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:11:56 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Message-ID: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in both personal and global ambassadors pages). - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of this condition. The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors will be permanent ambassadors. This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From omen at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 19:28:34 2007 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (SaadAlDine AlSaidi) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:28:34 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200704012228.34305.omen@fedoraproject.org> On Sunday 01 April 2007 22:11, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini Hello All, I really support Francesco's idea 100%, especially regarding the meeting, because most times people that were supposed to report an event or activity are not there. and there exist some intersting ideas being discussed during meetings. +1 Regards ----- SaadAlDine AlSaidi From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 20:22:29 2007 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:22:29 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 02/04/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). The de-facto in this part of the world (Bangladesh) Internet density/affordability/stability to be synchronised with you. So, please consider member's (or ambassador's) presence in M-L / irc meetings (moreover, timezone issue). I'm working towards popularization of Fedora in the real world (free support over the phone included), just don't get the time to update in the M-L. +0 -- ??? ????? mak --------------------------------------------------------------- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 20:39:52 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0704011339u764e848atd077555d58f961d2@mail.gmail.com> On 4/1/07, mak wrote: > The de-facto in this part of the world (Bangladesh) Internet > density/affordability/stability to be synchronised with you. So, please > consider member's (or ambassador's) presence in M-L / irc meetings > (moreover, timezone issue). > > I'm working towards popularization of Fedora in the real world (free support > over the phone included), just don't get the time to update in the M-L. Hello, I understand you, mak. Considering the number of attendees during the meeting, perhaps you can propose a time that suits you. Since the meeting alternates from 14:00 utc to 22:00 utc each week, perhaps one of the time can be altered to satisfy another attendee. Of course this doesn't apply only to Mak, but to everyone, even those who recently join the fedora ambassador project. I like Francesco's proposal of housekeeping. Here are my comments - We should remove the distinction between RH employees and the community. Afterall the merge of core and extras unites RH employees and community. - Before setting one's status as inactive, I would suggest informing the ML at least 2 weeks in advance. Thus giving time for the ambassador to justify and at the same time anyone can justify the activity of the ambassador in question. Francesco, you should fix a deadline for discussions to ensure that your proposal will still be alive after some weeks. regards, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 1 20:49:13 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:49:13 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0704011339u764e848atd077555d58f961d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0704011339u764e848atd077555d58f961d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46101AC9.5070906@fedoraproject.org> This discussion will end on April 20th, then FAmSCo will review all the comments, suggestions and will announce the final decision on April 30th. Regards Francesco Ugolini Chitlesh GOORAH ha scritto: > On 4/1/07, mak wrote: >> The de-facto in this part of the world (Bangladesh) Internet >> density/affordability/stability to be synchronised with you. So, please >> consider member's (or ambassador's) presence in M-L / irc meetings >> (moreover, timezone issue). >> >> I'm working towards popularization of Fedora in the real world (free >> support >> over the phone included), just don't get the time to update in the M-L. > > Hello, > I understand you, mak. Considering the number of attendees during the > meeting, perhaps you can propose a time that suits you. > > Since the meeting alternates from 14:00 utc to 22:00 utc each week, > perhaps one of the time can be altered to satisfy another attendee. Of > course this doesn't apply only to Mak, but to everyone, even those who > recently join the fedora ambassador project. > > I like Francesco's proposal of housekeeping. > Here are my comments > - We should remove the distinction between RH employees and the > community. Afterall the merge of core and extras unites RH employees > and community. > - Before setting one's status as inactive, I would suggest informing > the ML at least 2 weeks in advance. Thus giving time for the > ambassador to justify and at the same time anyone can justify the > activity of the ambassador in question. > > Francesco, you should fix a deadline for discussions to ensure that > your proposal will still be alive after some weeks. > > regards, > Chitlesh -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From lxtnow at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 22:03:12 2007 From: lxtnow at gmail.com (SmootherFrOgZ) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46101AC9.5070906@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0704011339u764e848atd077555d58f961d2@mail.gmail.com> <46101AC9.5070906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <62bc09df0704011503g3f29c172h2fb8c57675a69ecf@mail.gmail.com> You should either think about make a monthly (or annual) remind system that all ambassador member will receive and answer to mention that they still active in FedoraProject. Cause there are too many project in Fedora to check them all to find out who doesn't work. There is also a page for several Absent (on the wiki) that an contributor/ambassador could get. this page should be check too before do anything. 2007/4/1, Francesco Ugolini : > > This discussion will end on April 20th, then FAmSCo will review all the > comments, suggestions and will announce the final decision on April 30th. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Chitlesh GOORAH ha scritto: > > On 4/1/07, mak wrote: > >> The de-facto in this part of the world (Bangladesh) Internet > >> density/affordability/stability to be synchronised with you. So, please > >> consider member's (or ambassador's) presence in M-L / irc meetings > >> (moreover, timezone issue). > >> > >> I'm working towards popularization of Fedora in the real world (free > >> support > >> over the phone included), just don't get the time to update in the M-L. > > > > Hello, > > I understand you, mak. Considering the number of attendees during the > > meeting, perhaps you can propose a time that suits you. > > > > Since the meeting alternates from 14:00 utc to 22:00 utc each week, > > perhaps one of the time can be altered to satisfy another attendee. Of > > course this doesn't apply only to Mak, but to everyone, even those who > > recently join the fedora ambassador project. > > > > I like Francesco's proposal of housekeeping. > > Here are my comments > > - We should remove the distinction between RH employees and the > > community. Afterall the merge of core and extras unites RH employees > > and community. > > - Before setting one's status as inactive, I would suggest informing > > the ML at least 2 weeks in advance. 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URL: From gpex at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 01:07:15 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe pignataro) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 03:07:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Message-ID: ________________ Messaggio originale ________________ Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Autore: Francesco Ugolini Data: 01 aprile 2007 22:49:13 This discussion will end on April 20th, then FAmSCo will review all the comments, suggestions and will announce the final decision on April 30th. Regards Francesco Ugolini Chitlesh GOORAH ha scritto: > On 4/1/07, mak wrote: >> The de-facto in this part of the world (Bangladesh) Internet >> density/affordability/stability to be synchronised with you. So, please >> consider member's (or ambassador's) presence in M-L / irc meetings >> (moreover, timezone issue). >> >> I'm working towards popularization of Fedora in the real world (free >> support >> over the phone included), just don't get the time to update in the M-L. > > Hello, > I understand you, mak. Considering the number of attendees during the > meeting, perhaps you can propose a time that suits you. > > Since the meeting alternates from 14:00 utc to 22:00 utc each week, > perhaps one of the time can be altered to satisfy another attendee. Of > course this doesn't apply only to Mak, but to everyone, even those who > recently join the fedora ambassador project. > > I like Francesco's proposal of housekeeping. > Here are my comments > - We should remove the distinction between RH employees and the > community. Afterall the merge of core and extras unites RH employees > and community. +1 > - Before setting one's status as inactive, I would suggest informing > the ML at least 2 weeks in advance. Thus giving time for the > ambassador to justify and at the same time anyone can justify the > activity of the ambassador in question. >Another +1 for the Chitlesh idea. > Francesco, you should fix a deadline for discussions to ensure that > your proposal will still be alive after some weeks. > > regards, > Chitlesh Giuseppe Pignataro http://www.giuseppepignataro.net Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy A KDE italian translator Socio TAU Visual Member of ILS Member of FSF #3951 Memebr of IVRPA -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From gpex at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 01:07:23 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe pignataro) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 03:07:23 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Message-ID: ________________ Messaggio originale ________________ Oggetto: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Autore: Francesco Ugolini Data: 01 aprile 2007 21:11:56 I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in both personal and global ambassadors pages). - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of this condition. The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors will be permanent ambassadors. This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini +1 for the francesco's idea and +1 for the problem of mak. -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 03:19:40 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). Really how BIG this problem is ? There will always be people who will use the brand name..there will always be people who will work for building it. Anyways.. > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). A year is too long.. make it six months. But the problem being how do you define *active* ? A couple of mails to the list? Or ten ? Or attending the meeting five times ? How do you say doing only that means he/she is contributing ? Or somebody who is not posting is *not* contributing ? Possibly making the criteria very hard is not going to help. 'cause everyone has other jobs to do. About the meeting. I have a proposal. Make it twice a month..make the same meeting twice..and make it compulsory..People who are not attending should justify their reason.. > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. Agreed to this... > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. OK..No problem...But with this alart provide them with some basic kit, this will encourage them a lot...I don't know what happened to the survival kit..But its not always easy to carry on without anything to start with. > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. A very big *no* to it. Recognition awards are fine..so are other ways to acknowledge who are working just great..but creating a divide among the Ambassadors are neither recommended nor a good idea. There *should not be* any *difference* among the ambassadors. This sounds like proving loyalty to a company.. If you are loyal then you will find this promotion. See, People are here because most of them love Fedora... It may not be possible for everyone to contribute up to the same mark. But that should be no reason to mark the ambassadors into _normal_ and _honored_. What do you all say ? -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Mon Apr 2 05:27:24 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:27:24 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175491644.2814.0.camel@trauco> El dom, 01-04-2007 a las 21:11 +0200, Francesco Ugolini escribi?: > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. +1 for idea. > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales [linuxuser:#384391] Embajador Fedora - Chile sip:gotencool at ekiga.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From caseyjones at runbox.com Mon Apr 2 05:49:06 2007 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: All, This topic of member inactivity came up about six months ago or so. I am not a very vocal member within the meetings and discussions, however, I very actively promote and answer questions from people within my industry regarding Fedora. I greatly benefit from being able to just listen to the discussions the ambassadors have. I am very often on travel and don't have many opportunities to post to the discussions or partake in the meetings. However, I am a huge supporter of Fedora and have gotten many people to try it in my line of work. Because of this, my vote is to not send members into inactive status or disable their accounts if they don't frequently participate in the discussions. There are many of us "silent" members who are very active out in our day to day careers. Please consider this when the group comes to a decision later this month. Thank you! Casey ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:11:56 +0200 From: Francesco Ugolini To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, famsco-list at redhat.com Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > ----- End Original Message ----- From santosh at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 06:15:13 2007 From: santosh at fedoraproject.org (Santosh Kumar) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:45:13 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: i guys.. i havent been regular to the meetings and to the mailing list either... but i have negotiated with a software company and a BPO to completely shift on to Fedora... thats around 120 systems in the past one month... how would i let know you guys that i am active or not?? Regards -- Santosh On 4/2/07, Casey Jones wrote: > > All, > > This topic of member inactivity came up about six months ago or so. > > I am not a very vocal member within the meetings and discussions, however, > I very actively promote and answer questions from people within my industry > regarding Fedora. I greatly benefit from being able to just listen to the > discussions the ambassadors have. I am very often on travel and don't have > many opportunities to post to the discussions or partake in the > meetings. However, I am a huge supporter of Fedora and have gotten many > people to try it in my line of work. > > Because of this, my vote is to not send members into inactive status or > disable their accounts if they don't frequently participate in the > discussions. There are many of us "silent" members who are very active out > in our day to day careers. > > Please consider this when the group comes to a decision later this month. > > Thank you! > > Casey > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Sent: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:11:56 +0200 > From: Francesco Ugolini > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, famsco-list at redhat.com > Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > > > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > > this condition. > > > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the > requirement. > > > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > > will be permanent ambassadors. > > > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Apr 2 06:40:43 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:40:43 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175496043.3613.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 21:11 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini I think that this is a bad idea. There are some Ambassadors that contribute in the dvd stakes. If they don't show up to the meetings well they aren't considered an Ambassador? I understand what you are trying to do however I think its the wrong way to go about it. Regards, Marc Wiriadisastra -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 09:00:54 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs...WOW Message-ID: Dear * , Here is a great news.. The news reads.. "Dell received more than 100,000 responses in its recent survey, and more than 70 percent of the respondents said they would want a Dell PC with Linux for both home and office use. The Dell announcement of plans to preinstall and support Linux could encourage more widespread use of Linux PCs by small businesses as well as consumers." Read on http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Dell-Promises-Linux-on-PCs-Coming-Soon/story.xhtml?story_id=131007PF7Y0O -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From gerold at lugd.org Mon Apr 2 09:16:11 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:16:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Hi, all concerns, all ideas, all impressions sounds really good; ... the only thing, I personally miss is: What's the primary goal to have "honored Ambassadors"? What's their goals? What's the difference between Ambasadors, "recognition awarded Ambassadors" and "honored Ambassadors"? I totally agree with you that we have to figure out which Ambassadors will be active and which one will be passive or no longer active; but I don't really understand your intention in another addional "Awarding", "Announcing" or however you'll call this ... maybe we have to find another "solution" how to find out, who's still active and how he's active or no more active. On the other hand we have urgendtly to find out WHY this person is no more active as Ambassador; do we have here an issue as projects or are these personal, subjective issues which let this Ambassadors be in-active ... Questions over questions .... maybe also the one or other idea or issue to think addional :-) Regards Gerold Am Sonntag, den 01.04.2007, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. 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Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGEP2ZPg3HAC1vlg4RApFhAJ9qB0yYX1QMtunvpXXIJT+1NDujxgCfd48g qHmfE9LbfUJk9sKvIGHxZ0U= =N9gv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 13:08:23 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:08:23 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs...WOW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46110047.605@fedoraproject.org> For such discussions refer to Fedora Marketing Lists. Thanks you Francesco Ugolini susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: > Dear * , > Here is a great news.. > > The news reads.. > > "Dell received more than 100,000 responses in its recent survey, and > more than 70 percent of the respondents said they would want a Dell PC > with Linux for both home and office use. The Dell announcement of > plans to preinstall and support Linux could encourage more widespread > use of Linux PCs by small businesses as well as consumers." > > Read on > http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Dell-Promises-Linux-on-PCs-Coming-Soon/story.xhtml?story_id=131007PF7Y0O > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 13:25:37 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:25:37 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Message-ID: <46110451.8010501@fedoraproject.org> Ok, first of all, Honored Ambassadors will be permanent Ambassadors, they will have the same functions of all the other Ambassadors, the only difference is that their status will not changed. I know that people would think it would be a nonsense status, but if you consider that many ambassadors work hardly every week, month (like you), you can understand the importance to give a special status to this people. Second point: i want to reply to the people who told that many ambassadors are working underground. I want to remember that in a community we have to share our experience and we have to report our activities, if it would be not such, we would be people who share same interest but work alone. Actually many people report their activities thought the mailing list: they don't spend a lot of time writing three lines, but with their reports we know what they have done, and we know they are working. I think, as Gerold said, we have to understand why people don't share their ideas, experience etc... with the other people. I want to remember, once again, we are a community: what one does, is what the community does. Our project has a big dream, and this dream need the collaboration of all people, we can't think that what a single does is important if we don't see what the others do. I hope people will understand this. Regards Francesco Ugolini Gerold Kassube ha scritto: > Hi, > > all concerns, all ideas, all impressions sounds really good; ... > > the only thing, I personally miss is: > > What's the primary goal to have "honored Ambassadors"? > What's their goals? > What's the difference between Ambasadors, "recognition awarded > Ambassadors" and "honored Ambassadors"? > > I totally agree with you that we have to figure out which Ambassadors > will be active and which one will be passive or no longer active; but I > don't really understand your intention in another addional "Awarding", > "Announcing" or however you'll call this ... > > maybe we have to find another "solution" how to find out, who's still > active and how he's active or no more active. > On the other hand we have urgendtly to find out WHY this person is no > more active as Ambassador; do we have here an issue as projects or are > these personal, subjective issues which let this Ambassadors be > in-active ... > > Questions over questions .... > maybe also the one or other idea or issue to think addional :-) > > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Sonntag, den 01.04.2007, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: >> I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve >> this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and >> virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). >> >> I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: >> >> - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in >> both personal and global ambassadors pages). >> >> - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive >> he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. >> >> At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of >> this condition. >> >> The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both >> are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. >> Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. >> >> - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors >> from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. >> >> - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors >> will be permanent ambassadors. >> >> This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. >> >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Apr 2 13:31:58 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). How do you determine inactivity? Not making an IRC meeting isn't the greatest way - I make some of the meetings, but both times usually have some sort of conflict for me. One of the times is during my workday and the other conflicts with meal time with my family. I make it when I can. There have already been people saying they are contributing in their own way, but also have a difficult time making meetings and perhaps finding time to do more than lurk on the mailing list. If they are representing Fedora in their work and within their LUGs - that does quite well to further interest in Fedora. > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. New ambassadors will easily see who the active ambassadors are by the work they do. There is not a need to apply arbitrary titles to ambassadors. --Jeffrey From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Apr 2 13:40:20 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:40:20 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46110451.8010501@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <46110451.8010501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461107C4.80903@elfshadow.net> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Ok, first of all, Honored Ambassadors will be permanent Ambassadors, > they will have the same functions of all the other Ambassadors, the only > difference is that their status will not changed. I know that people > would think it would be a nonsense status, but if you consider that many > ambassadors work hardly every week, month (like you), you can understand > the importance to give a special status to this people. I still don't see how further splitting ambassadors does anything to help. What if an honored Ambassador becomes inactive after time? Let people's work speak for themselves. The Ambassadors have more important things to work on than get caught up in another layer of titles. I fail to see how giving special status for people helps the Ambassador project. > Second point: i want to reply to the people who told that many > ambassadors are working underground. I want to remember that in a > community we have to share our experience and we have to report our > activities, if it would be not such, we would be people who share same > interest but work alone. Here I agree, sharing experience is good and the more people sharing what they are doing the better. However, kicking people out of the Ambassadors program is *not* the way to encourage participation. Let's think of more positive means to encourage communication. > I think, as Gerold said, we have to understand why people don't share > their ideas, experience etc... with the other people. I want to > remember, once again, we are a community: what one does, is what the > community does. This understanding is important. Focusing energy on understanding why people might not participate in various communication mediums seems to be a more productive approach than coming up with "honorary" titles and kicking people out of the Ambassadors program. --Jeffrey From cskjain at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:40:44 2007 From: cskjain at gmail.com (Santosh Kumar) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:10:44 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: On 4/2/07, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > How do you determine inactivity? Not making an IRC meeting isn't the > greatest way - I make some of the meetings, but both times usually have > some sort of conflict for me. One of the times is during my workday and > the other conflicts with meal time with my family. I make it when I can. > > There have already been people saying they are contributing in their own > way, but also have a difficult time making meetings and perhaps finding > time to do more than lurk on the mailing list. If they are representing > Fedora in their work and within their LUGs - that does quite well to > further interest in Fedora. > > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the > requirement. > > > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > > will be permanent ambassadors. > > Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > > New ambassadors will easily see who the active ambassadors are by the > work they do. There is not a need to apply arbitrary titles to > ambassadors. > > --Jeffrey +1 -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:41:13 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs...WOW In-Reply-To: <46110047.605@fedoraproject.org> References: <46110047.605@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Sorry... Moving it.. On 02/04/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > For such discussions refer to Fedora Marketing Lists. > > Thanks you > > Francesco Ugolini > > susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: > > Dear * , > > Here is a great news.. > > > > The news reads.. > > > > "Dell received more than 100,000 responses in its recent survey, and > > more than 70 percent of the respondents said they would want a Dell PC > > with Linux for both home and office use. The Dell announcement of > > plans to preinstall and support Linux could encourage more widespread > > use of Linux PCs by small businesses as well as consumers." > > > > Read on > > http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Dell-Promises-Linux-on-PCs-Coming-Soon/story.xhtml?story_id=131007PF7Y0O > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:58:47 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:58:47 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: Hello All, I think that one is not due to divide to the ambassadors in two classes of ambassadors. If we them ambassadors are it jeopardize with Fedora, he is so that we like and not to look for a recognition or to appear publicly. It is why I am in discord with the proposal of Francesco. The subject of activity or inactivity, cannot be measured by the participation or not in the list or the IRC, many of us we have diverse occupations like: to study, to work and in my case of sharing just a short time that I have with the family. Nevertheless, always I am present in local activities referring to Fedora, giving to char them, making copies of the distribution, sending articles on the new thing of Fedora to lists of local communities, etc. that is to say, spreading and making know kindness Fedora. But what if I do not have time or the facilities of my work to connect me to chat IRC, during the working hours, that are the hour that makes the meetings by IRC generally. I assure to them that I like to participate in the meetings of #fedora-mktg, but the time me does not allow it. It wanted to take advantage of this point, to comment an idea that can serve to perhaps solve this problem of communication, so that the serious problem is the communication, I believe that it becomes necessary to have a person that understands many languages, to have a fluid COMMUNICATION, in the case of Latin America of Spanish, English for people speaks English, and so on between all the continents, so that the ambassador but participation is productive, many of the ambassadors we did not comment or we did not participate actively in lists them, by this incoveniente and I believe that is a subject who can be solved, forms to solve exist many, and I am sure that it is possible to be solved. (I know that many will say that the English is the standard language, but not always all we want to communicate in another language that is not the birthday :-) ) Our problem is "COMMUNICATION" and the communication is not made better if it becomes to a side a person or if it looks for to compensate it, but improving the communication. Greetings, ---HernanPachas On 4/2/07, Santosh Kumar wrote: > > > > On 4/2/07, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > > > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > > > How do you determine inactivity? Not making an IRC meeting isn't the > > greatest way - I make some of the meetings, but both times usually have > > some sort of conflict for me. One of the times is during my workday and > > the other conflicts with meal time with my family. I make it when I can. > > > > There have already been people saying they are contributing in their own > > way, but also have a difficult time making meetings and perhaps finding > > time to do more than lurk on the mailing list. If they are representing > > Fedora in their work and within their LUGs - that does quite well to > > further interest in Fedora. > > > > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > > > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > > > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > > > > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > > > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the > requirement. > > > > > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > > > will be permanent ambassadors. > > > > Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > > "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > > club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > > can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > > > > New ambassadors will easily see who the active ambassadors are by the > > work they do. There is not a need to apply arbitrary titles to > ambassadors. > > > > --Jeffrey > > +1 > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 14:07:21 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:07:21 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Mascot In-Reply-To: <4610FD99.3050803@projetofedora.org> References: <4610FD99.3050803@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: +1 oso polar ---Hernan On 4/2/07, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Guys!!! > > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot > > Fedora Arara Azul (Blue Parrot) added! > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGEP2ZPg3HAC1vlg4RApFhAJ9qB0yYX1QMtunvpXXIJT+1NDujxgCfd48g > qHmfE9LbfUJk9sKvIGHxZ0U= > =N9gv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Apr 2 14:22:59 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:22:59 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I wanted to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either way... Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be considered 'inactivity'? Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 14:40:25 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:10:25 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461115D9.7090509@fedoraproject.org> Santosh Kumar wrote: > hi guys.. i havent been regular to the meetings and to the mailing list > either... but i have negotiated with a software company and a BPO to > completely shift on to Fedora... thats around 120 systems in the past > one month... how would i let know you guys that i am active or not?? By sending in reports. If you are doing something with Fedora it is worth discussing it here. Others might have things to learn, feedback to provide. We need to work as a team. That's the whole point of being an ambassador here rather than doing things on your own. Rahul From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 10:40:55 2007 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:40:55 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <4610DDB7.50307@fedoraproject.org> There's nothing wrong with a little house keeping now and then. People change... situations change and sometimes people just aren't as active as they once were. Frankly, I have guilt for not doing more, but I'm a woman and guilt for not being everywhere all the time goes with the territory. And now that I'm fully self-employed... "billable hours" is the trump card and leaves me with fewer volunteer hours. Just whatever is decided, I would hope that if someone is moved to inactive status that it is done so that it doesn't feel like punishment. ~Karlie From lin at dr-hank.com Mon Apr 2 14:52:48 2007 From: lin at dr-hank.com (Lin Juan Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:52:48 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461115D9.7090509@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461115D9.7090509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070402145027.M79815@dr-hank.com> I think that is good have control about ambassadors, but, at the base of evaluation and keep on maind always that all of then try to contribute to the Fedora Project, and any help, even minimal, are welcome. Discharge help is not a good policy for a not profit project as Fedora is Yung Jen Lin On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:10:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote > Santosh Kumar wrote: > > hi guys.. i havent been regular to the meetings and to the mailing list > > either... but i have negotiated with a software company and a BPO to > > completely shift on to Fedora... thats around 120 systems in the past > > one month... how would i let know you guys that i am active or not?? > > By sending in reports. If you are doing something with Fedora it is > worth discussing it here. Others might have things to learn, feedback to > provide. We need to work as a team. That's the whole point of being an > ambassador here rather than doing things on your own. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Juan Carlos Lin lin at dr-hank.com From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 15:51:34 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:51:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <46112686.3020101@fedoraproject.org> 1) When i used the word inactive I'm referring to people who doesn't anything, and as I've said a lot of time is not the meeting absence that make an ambassador inactive. 2)Honored ambassador will not be an elite but a group of people who distinguish themselves for their work. Is not the same thing that happen in many company: people who work a lot received a recognition, this recognition is the status of permanent ambassadors. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jeffrey Tadlock ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in >> both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > How do you determine inactivity? Not making an IRC meeting isn't the > greatest way - I make some of the meetings, but both times usually have > some sort of conflict for me. One of the times is during my workday and > the other conflicts with meal time with my family. I make it when I can. > > There have already been people saying they are contributing in their own > way, but also have a difficult time making meetings and perhaps finding > time to do more than lurk on the mailing list. If they are representing > Fedora in their work and within their LUGs - that does quite well to > further interest in Fedora. > >> The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both >> are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. >> Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. >> >> - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors >> from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. >> >> - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors >> will be permanent ambassadors. > > Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > > New ambassadors will easily see who the active ambassadors are by the > work they do. There is not a need to apply arbitrary titles to ambassadors. > > --Jeffrey > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:08:17 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:08:17 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <46112A71.1080608@fedoraproject.org> I don't know why people continue to refer to irc meetings: does are not our most important activity, it's only a tool to make the point of the situation. The worst thing i see is that we are more than 150 ambassador but only 10 or 20 are active, not only in irc meetings or mailing list, but at the events, see the events wiki page i see only few ambassadors there: is possible such thing? NO, absolutely no. I know that we are different from developers that stay all together and all work, but we have to keep their philosophy to our project, and to make this possible, it's necessary to create more strength rules and improve our community structure. REMEMBER: WE ARE A MERITOCRACY COMMUNITY, WHO WORK WILL BE PRIZED WHO DOESN'T WILL RECEIVE ANYTHING. So, it not correct for ambassadors that spend their free time working for this project will not be awarded. We actually have Ambassadors Recognition Award, and this is one type of prize, but i think we need something more project related and "Honored Ambassador" is the best solution I've found. Who work hard will receive the permanent status of ambassador. I know you may misunderstand this new status but it's the best way to convince people to work. Regards Francesco Ugolini Hernan Pachas ha scritto: > Hello All, > > I think that one is not due to divide to the ambassadors in two > classes of ambassadors. If we them ambassadors are it jeopardize with > Fedora, he is so that we like and not to look for a recognition or to > appear publicly. It is why I am in discord with the proposal of > Francesco. > > The subject of activity or inactivity, cannot be measured by the > participation or not in the list or the IRC, many of us we have > diverse occupations like: to study, to work and in my case of sharing > just a short time that I have with the family. Nevertheless, always I > am present in local activities referring to Fedora, giving to char > them, making copies of the distribution, sending articles on the new > thing of Fedora to lists of local communities, etc. that is to say, > spreading and making know kindness Fedora. But what if I do not have > time or the facilities of my work to connect me to chat IRC, during > the working hours, that are the hour that makes the meetings by IRC > generally. I assure to them that I like to participate in the meetings > of #fedora-mktg, but the time me does not allow it. > > It wanted to take advantage of this point, to comment an idea that can > serve to perhaps solve this problem of communication, so that the > serious problem is the communication, I believe that it becomes > necessary to have a person that understands many languages, to have a > fluid COMMUNICATION, in the case of Latin America of Spanish, English > for people speaks English, and so on between all the continents, so > that the ambassador but participation is productive, many of the > ambassadors we did not comment or we did not participate actively in > lists them, by this incoveniente and I believe that is a subject who > can be solved, forms to solve exist many, and I am sure that it is > possible to be solved. (I know that many will say that the English is > the standard language, but not always all we want to communicate in > another language that is not the birthday :-) ) > > Our problem is "COMMUNICATION" and the communication is not made > better if it becomes to a side a person or if it looks for to > compensate it, but improving the communication. > > Greetings, > > ---HernanPachas > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:10:18 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:10:18 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Mascot In-Reply-To: References: <4610FD99.3050803@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <46112AEA.5090902@fedoraproject.org> +1, but this discussion need to be taken in Fedora Marketing List. Thank you Francesco Ugolini Hernan Pachas ha scritto: > +1 oso polar > > > > ---Hernan > > > On 4/2/07, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > wrote: > Hi Guys!!! > > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot > > Fedora Arara Azul (Blue Parrot) added! > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira >> -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:13:05 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:13:05 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve the project and to see you are here. Thank you Francesco Ugolini Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: >> >> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various >> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite >> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they >> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. >> > > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I wanted > to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback > from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote > Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either way... > Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be > considered 'inactivity'? > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:15:45 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:15:45 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <20070402145027.M79815@dr-hank.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461115D9.7090509@fedoraproject.org> <20070402145027.M79815@dr-hank.com> Message-ID: <46112C31.5040308@fedoraproject.org> We are a no profit project but we aren't a place where someone can park his name, we don't ask the moon we ask a minimum participation, but we aren't magician, we can't know what a person does, we need a minimum level of communication. Regards Francesco Ugolini Lin Juan Carlos ha scritto: > I think that is good have control about ambassadors, but, at the base of evaluation > and keep on maind always that all of then try to contribute to the Fedora Project, and > any help, even minimal, are welcome. > > Discharge help is not a good policy for a not profit project as Fedora is > > Yung Jen Lin > > > > On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:10:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote >> Santosh Kumar wrote: >>> hi guys.. i havent been regular to the meetings and to the mailing list >>> either... but i have negotiated with a software company and a BPO to >>> completely shift on to Fedora... thats around 120 systems in the past >>> one month... how would i let know you guys that i am active or not?? >> By sending in reports. If you are doing something with Fedora it is >> worth discussing it here. Others might have things to learn, feedback to >> provide. We need to work as a team. That's the whole point of being an >> ambassador here rather than doing things on your own. >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Juan Carlos Lin > lin at dr-hank.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From nayyares at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 16:33:31 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:33:31 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly > meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or > telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. > > Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve > the project and to see you are here. I have been following this thread and i am really happy that Ugolini has raised this issue, as we spoke off line about this thing few days back, in fact we need a very close contact with each other to promote Fedora, even it will be rather good if we can manage some sort of voice conference, e.g. skype voice conference or any other free service, to discuss each other activity, this kind of things will bring us more closer, while about the Active/Inactive Ambassadors status, I personally think that we should reward active community members, this will off course encourage them to come forward, about inactive members we can send them periodic emails and voice meeting invitation to join , even once in month and we will give them updates about the current work and events, this will push them to keep in touch with us. regards Thank you > > Francesco Ugolini > > Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > >> > >> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > >> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > >> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > >> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > >> > > > > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I wanted > > to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback > > from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote > > Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either way... > > Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be > > considered 'inactivity'? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > -kanarip > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 16:40:24 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:40:24 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello. I am in agreement with I finish "RECOGNITION" by the work of each ambassador, since to be ambassador it is a hard task, and constant. Nevertheless, I think that we could look for some form to recognize such effort, is happened to me for example, to be continental ambassador, who is a recognition by his effort and that therefore occupies that position so privileged person, and within its rights it is, the one that can receive great material of Fedora: -) and in addition he is an interlocutor between the continent to which it belongs and FAMSCO, or to be part of FAMSCO. : -) It did not know the little amount of active ambassadors in relation to the total of registered ambassadors, because of being that the problem, I am in agreement with the policy that thinks to use, we work in the details like carrying out this. For example: 1. - To define time of inactivity of an ambassador 2. - To define schedules of meeting of Ambassadors by Continent 3. - To define mechanism of lapsing of affiliation of an ambassador 4. - To define mechanism of affiliation of an ambassador 5. - To define rolls and functions of Ambassador 6. - To help opportune of new ambassadors (to avoid its inactivity) 7. - To define reasons so that of considering an ambassador inactive. 8. - To define reasons so that to consider assets to an ambassador I hope that these points can contribute in improving our project of ambassadors: -) Greetings --Hernan Pd. I hope can understand traducci?, since I am utizando goolge translator, to be able to communicate to me with You. On 4/2/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Hi All, > > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: > > If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly > > meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or > > telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. > > > > Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve > > the project and to see you are here. > > > I have been following this thread and i am really happy that Ugolini has > raised this issue, as we spoke off line about this thing few days back, in > fact we need a very close contact with each other to promote Fedora, even it > will be rather good if we can manage some sort of voice conference, e.g. > skype voice conference or any other free service, to discuss each other > activity, this kind of things will bring us more closer, while about the > Active/Inactive Ambassadors status, I personally think that we should reward > active community members, this will off course encourage them to come > forward, about inactive members we can send them periodic emails and voice > meeting invitation to join , even once in month and we will give them > updates about the current work and events, this will push them to keep in > touch with us. > > regards > > > Thank you > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > > > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > >> > > >> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > > >> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > > >> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > > >> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > > >> > > > > > > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I wanted > > > to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback > > > from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote > > > Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either way... > > > Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be > > > considered 'inactivity'? > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > > -kanarip > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > -- > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 17:00:13 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:00:13 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4611369D.3080902@fedoraproject.org> It's sounds good, we have to see what is real possible and what is not (contact inactive ambassadors trough telephone or ekiga, skype etc... is a little bit difficult and in some cases impossible). Francesco Ugolini Nayyar Ahmad ha scritto: > Hi All, > > On 4/2/07, *Francesco Ugolini* > wrote: > > If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly > meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or > telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. > > Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve > the project and to see you are here. > > > > I have been following this thread and i am really happy that Ugolini has > raised this issue, as we spoke off line about this thing few days back, > in fact we need a very close contact with each other to promote Fedora, > even it will be rather good if we can manage some sort of voice > conference, e.g. skype voice conference or any other free service, to > discuss each other activity, this kind of things will bring us more > closer, while about the Active/Inactive Ambassadors status, I personally > think that we should reward active community members, this will off > course encourage them to come forward, about inactive members we can > send them periodic emails and voice meeting invitation to join , even > once in month and we will give them updates about the current work and > events, this will push them to keep in touch with us. > > > regards > > Thank you > > Francesco Ugolini > > Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > >> > >> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > >> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an > elite > >> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what > ways they > >> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > >> > > > > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I > wanted > > to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback > > from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote > > Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either > way... > > Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be > > considered 'inactivity'? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > -kanarip > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 17:10:02 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:10:02 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Mascot In-Reply-To: <46112AEA.5090902@fedoraproject.org> References: <4610FD99.3050803@projetofedora.org> <46112AEA.5090902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704021010j4830b276g3e315db3d4b87b98@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > +1, but this discussion need to be taken in Fedora Marketing List. > > Thank you > > Francesco Ugolini All, Please note any discussion *not* related Fedora Events or Ambassadors should be posted at Fedora Marketing List. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From wcervini at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 18:15:17 2007 From: wcervini at gmail.com (Walter Cervini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:15:17 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> I?m agree with Hernan In some cases the ambassadors teams work by region, for example Latinoamerican Ambassadors, and all the work are shared by any ambassadors, A good example was Rodrigo, who give support to Venezuela Flisol festival sending 80 Fedora DVD , a this time Venezuela was waiting for the media's request by Wilmer Jaramillo to Framsco. If the Framsco want more Ambassadors Work, we are needed more colaboration by Framsco, (POP material, DVD's, Impress information about fedora etc. I think FRAMSCO need evaluate more every ambassador work, by little work as is. The Fedora comunity is just like an ANT comunity where every rock moved its an Award to the Fedora Comunity. El lun, 02-04-2007 a las 11:40 -0500, Hernan Pachas escribi?: > Hello. > > I am in agreement with I finish "RECOGNITION" by the work of each > ambassador, since to be ambassador it is a hard task, and constant. > > Nevertheless, I think that we could look for some form to recognize > such effort, is happened to me for example, to be continental > ambassador, who is a recognition by his effort and that therefore > occupies that position so privileged person, and within its rights it > is, the one that can receive great material of Fedora: -) and in > addition he is an interlocutor between the continent to which it > belongs and FAMSCO, or to be part of FAMSCO. : -) > > It did not know the little amount of active ambassadors in relation to > the total of registered ambassadors, because of being that the > problem, I am in agreement with the policy that thinks to use, we work > in the details like carrying out this. > > For example: > 1. - To define time of inactivity of an ambassador > 2. - To define schedules of meeting of Ambassadors by Continent > 3. - To define mechanism of lapsing of affiliation of an ambassador > 4. - To define mechanism of affiliation of an ambassador > 5. - To define rolls and functions of Ambassador > 6. - To help opportune of new ambassadors (to avoid its inactivity) > 7. - To define reasons so that of considering an ambassador inactive. > 8. - To define reasons so that to consider assets to an ambassador > > I hope that these points can contribute in improving our project of > ambassadors: -) > > Greetings > > --Hernan > > Pd. I hope can understand traducci?, since I am utizando goolge > translator, to be able to communicate to me with You. > > > > > On 4/2/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini > > wrote: > > > If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly > > > meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or > > > telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. > > > > > > Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve > > > the project and to see you are here. > > > > > > I have been following this thread and i am really happy that Ugolini has > > raised this issue, as we spoke off line about this thing few days back, in > > fact we need a very close contact with each other to promote Fedora, even it > > will be rather good if we can manage some sort of voice conference, e.g. > > skype voice conference or any other free service, to discuss each other > > activity, this kind of things will bring us more closer, while about the > > Active/Inactive Ambassadors status, I personally think that we should reward > > active community members, this will off course encourage them to come > > forward, about inactive members we can send them periodic emails and voice > > meeting invitation to join , even once in month and we will give them > > updates about the current work and events, this will push them to keep in > > touch with us. > > > > regards > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > > > > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various > > > >> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite > > > >> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they > > > >> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. > > > >> > > > > > > > > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I wanted > > > > to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback > > > > from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote > > > > Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either way... > > > > Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be > > > > considered 'inactivity'? > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > > > -kanarip > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Nayyar Ahmad > > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > > Skype: nayyares > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 19:03:48 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:03:48 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> This is true, and you can organize local meeting, but we have to remember we are a global community and we have to work ALL TOGETHER. If you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but first of all there is global meeting, where all ambassador work to organize the events, activities and propose new ideas to improve the community. Rodrigo is part of FAmSCo and he helped you to have material, but officially you received the DVDS from FAmSCo. FAmSCo is doing an hard job, he is trying to follow all material requests, keep the community active and trying to share with all Ambassadors its point of view. Yes, you can criticized the time that it's necessary to receive a package, but remember is not simple and not cheap to send materials trough mail. NOW I WANT TO SAY, FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WORK BUT WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING. WE ARE, ALSO, ASKING ALL PEOPLE TO REPORT THEIR ACTIVITY, TO KNOW WHO IS WORKING AND WHO IS NOT. I know my English is bad, but i hope you have understood the concept: we are talking about, only, who doesn't anything, just at all. We appreciate A LOT the little works, we want people do those, we are not here to ask people to spent all their time on the project, we are asking only to report their activity, to understand better who is working and who is not. Regards Francesco Ugolini Walter Cervini ha scritto: > I?m agree with Hernan > In some cases the ambassadors teams work by region, for example > Latinoamerican Ambassadors, and all the work are shared by any > ambassadors, A good example was Rodrigo, who give support to Venezuela > Flisol festival sending 80 Fedora DVD , a this time Venezuela was > waiting for the media's request by Wilmer Jaramillo to Framsco. > If the Framsco want more Ambassadors Work, we are needed more > colaboration by Framsco, (POP material, DVD's, Impress information > about fedora etc. > I think FRAMSCO need evaluate more every ambassador work, by little work > as is. The Fedora comunity is just like an ANT comunity where every rock > moved its an Award to the Fedora Comunity. > > > El lun, 02-04-2007 a las 11:40 -0500, Hernan Pachas escribi?: >> Hello. >> >> I am in agreement with I finish "RECOGNITION" by the work of each >> ambassador, since to be ambassador it is a hard task, and constant. >> >> Nevertheless, I think that we could look for some form to recognize >> such effort, is happened to me for example, to be continental >> ambassador, who is a recognition by his effort and that therefore >> occupies that position so privileged person, and within its rights it >> is, the one that can receive great material of Fedora: -) and in >> addition he is an interlocutor between the continent to which it >> belongs and FAMSCO, or to be part of FAMSCO. : -) >> >> It did not know the little amount of active ambassadors in relation to >> the total of registered ambassadors, because of being that the >> problem, I am in agreement with the policy that thinks to use, we work >> in the details like carrying out this. >> >> For example: >> 1. - To define time of inactivity of an ambassador >> 2. - To define schedules of meeting of Ambassadors by Continent >> 3. - To define mechanism of lapsing of affiliation of an ambassador >> 4. - To define mechanism of affiliation of an ambassador >> 5. - To define rolls and functions of Ambassador >> 6. - To help opportune of new ambassadors (to avoid its inactivity) >> 7. - To define reasons so that of considering an ambassador inactive. >> 8. - To define reasons so that to consider assets to an ambassador >> >> I hope that these points can contribute in improving our project of >> ambassadors: -) >> >> Greetings >> >> --Hernan >> >> Pd. I hope can understand traducci?, since I am utizando goolge >> translator, to be able to communicate to me with You. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/2/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini >>> wrote: >>>> If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly >>>> meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or >>>> telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. >>>> >>>> Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve >>>> the project and to see you are here. >>> >>> I have been following this thread and i am really happy that Ugolini has >>> raised this issue, as we spoke off line about this thing few days back, in >>> fact we need a very close contact with each other to promote Fedora, even it >>> will be rather good if we can manage some sort of voice conference, e.g. >>> skype voice conference or any other free service, to discuss each other >>> activity, this kind of things will bring us more closer, while about the >>> Active/Inactive Ambassadors status, I personally think that we should reward >>> active community members, this will off course encourage them to come >>> forward, about inactive members we can send them periodic emails and voice >>> meeting invitation to join , even once in month and we will give them >>> updates about the current work and events, this will push them to keep in >>> touch with us. >>> >>> regards >>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Francesco Ugolini >>>> >>>> Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: >>>>> Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: >>>>>> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various >>>>>> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an elite >>>>>> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what ways they >>>>>> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. >>>>>> >>>>> I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I wanted >>>>> to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback >>>>> from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote >>>>> Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either way... >>>>> Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be >>>>> considered 'inactivity'? >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Jeroen van Meeuwen >>>>> -kanarip >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>> -- >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nayyar Ahmad >>> RHCE (ID:804006858622745) >>> Skype: nayyares >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 19:16:27 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:16:27 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Need a suggestion In-Reply-To: <1175539044.22228.21.camel@0-11-43-71-59-38.ceat.okstate.edu> References: <20070402164037.510FB72EA3@hormel.redhat.com> <1175539044.22228.21.camel@0-11-43-71-59-38.ceat.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704021216ld575005j6f9d7654cb12853e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/07, Aravind Seshadri wrote: > Hi all, > > Microsoft is visiting my campus on Wednesday (4/4/7) for a Microsoft > Vista and Office 2007 Campus Launch > (https://www.clicktoattend.com/invitation.aspx?code=116373). I guess the > event will probably be attended by Windows power users and IT > professionals. > > I have registered to attend the event and I was just thinking may be I > can do something during that event to promote Fedora. I may print some > flyer about Fedora and also may be give some live demos of fc7t3. I am > sure some of them might be interested in the cool desktop effects. I am > not sure if I can make live distros and hand it to program participants. > If anyone has any suggestions kindly let me know. Thanks. > > -- > aravind Please check with the vendor or the school if this Linux demo is wise in Windows shows. I just don't want you to get a back-fired. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 19:34:12 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > This is true, and you can organize local meeting, but we have to > remember we are a global community and we have to work ALL TOGETHER. If > you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but first of all there > is global meeting, where all ambassador work to organize the events, > activities and propose new ideas to improve the community. You how believe possible to control who works and who does not do it?, each contribution by very small that is invaluable. I believe that instead of propose to create a control and bureaucracy, consider that who really work, they must have unconditional help from famsco, and who help little must also receive incentives. Instead of criticizing who should to be excluded from the _select_ group of Ambassadors, must consider strategies globally by cover the requests of them. -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From hanafiah at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 19:55:11 2007 From: hanafiah at fedoraproject.org (Hanafiah Muhamad) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:55:11 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5028e1a00704021255q5257a933w90f2ddfd85efd048@mail.gmail.com> I agree +1 By doing this this we can eliminate sleeping ambassador. On 4/3/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote: > > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > This is true, and you can organize local meeting, but we have to > > remember we are a global community and we have to work ALL TOGETHER. If > > you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but first of all there > > is global meeting, where all ambassador work to organize the events, > > activities and propose new ideas to improve the community. > > You how believe possible to control who works and who does not do it?, > each contribution by very small that is invaluable. > > I believe that instead of propose to create a control and bureaucracy, > consider that who really work, they must have unconditional help from > famsco, and who help little must also receive incentives. Instead of > criticizing who should to be excluded from the _select_ group of > Ambassadors, must consider strategies globally by cover the requests > of them. > > -- > Wilmer Jaramillo M. > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- --- Mohd Hanafiah bin Muhamad Fedora Ambassadors for Malaysia http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HanafiahMuhamad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nihedmm at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:29:46 2007 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:29:46 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <5028e1a00704021255q5257a933w90f2ddfd85efd048@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> <5028e1a00704021255q5257a933w90f2ddfd85efd048@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0704021329w35684625nf642f111d4591@mail.gmail.com> +1 :) 2007/4/2, Hanafiah Muhamad : > > I agree > > +1 > > By doing this this we can eliminate sleeping ambassador. > > > On 4/3/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote: > > > > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini > > wrote: > > > This is true, and you can organize local meeting, but we have to > > > remember we are a global community and we have to work ALL TOGETHER. > > If > > > you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but first of all > > there > > > is global meeting, where all ambassador work to organize the events, > > > activities and propose new ideas to improve the community. > > > > You how believe possible to control who works and who does not do it?, > > each contribution by very small that is invaluable. > > > > I believe that instead of propose to create a control and bureaucracy, > > consider that who really work, they must have unconditional help from > > famsco, and who help little must also receive incentives. Instead of > > criticizing who should to be excluded from the _select_ group of > > Ambassadors, must consider strategies globally by cover the requests > > of them. > > > > -- > > Wilmer Jaramillo M. > > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > --- > Mohd Hanafiah bin Muhamad > Fedora Ambassadors for Malaysia > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HanafiahMuhamad > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolfy at nobugconsulting.ro Mon Apr 2 22:33:54 2007 From: wolfy at nobugconsulting.ro (Manuel Wolfshant) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:33:54 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] presenting fedora Message-ID: <461184D2.2030203@nobugconsulting.ro> Hi all I just was invited to speak at some students' seminars. I would like to offer a couple of fedora dvds and to go dressed in a fedora T-shirt. So 1) I would like to receive suggestions on what DVD to use: FC7t3? LiveDVD (does there exists such a beast) ? 2) I will record the discs myself. However I do not feel like hand writing on each one and my printer cannot print on disks. I wonder, how does one label them ? Printed leaflets attached to the envelope of the disc ? 3) Does there exist a formal model of Fedora T-shirt that can be printed, or better yet sewn ? I mean something with a quality good enough to take it on a disc at go at a specialized shop. 4) Any presentations I can use for inspiration, beside Chitlesh's ? manuel From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 02:07:01 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:07:01 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] presenting fedora In-Reply-To: <461184D2.2030203@nobugconsulting.ro> References: <461184D2.2030203@nobugconsulting.ro> Message-ID: > I just was invited to speak at some students' seminars. I would like > to offer a couple of fedora dvds and to go dressed in a fedora T-shirt. So > 1) I would like to receive suggestions on what DVD to use: FC7t3? > LiveDVD (does there exists such a beast) ? Nope..But the live cds are there.. Personally think FC6 would be better to distribute, and F7t3 better to demonastrate. > 2) I will record the discs myself. However I do not feel like hand > writing on each one and my printer cannot print on disks. I wonder, how > does one label them ? Printed leaflets attached to the envelope of the > disc ? CD/DVD labels are here... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6?highlight=%28cdlabel%29 What I did a week ago , I took one of these design to some press..they printed it..may be a few computer shops do that too..It costed around 300 INR for 60 labels ($7 apprx). May be this rate is different at your place. They will take care of the cutting and putting adhesive at the back.. > 3) Does there exist a formal model of Fedora T-shirt that can be > printed, or better yet sewn ? I mean something with a quality good > enough to take it on a disc at go at a specialized shop. ---- > 4) Any presentations I can use for inspiration, beside Chitlesh's ? As its a student's seminar,try to get them involved into fedora project. A Demo of Fedora is also fine ,but exploring the opportunities in fedora project will be much better , as we may find a few more contributors. And presentations are here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations You shall find everything here. -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:57:33 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:57:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461135FD.3040109@fedoraproject.org> > 1. - To define time of inactivity of an ambassador As I've proposed in the first email, an ambassador will consider inactive after a year of inactivity, and will be remove from M-L and Account System if he doesn't give as a reply in the next six months. > 2. - To define schedules of meeting of Ambassadors by Continent Other Fedora Project that have more people thank us organize weekly meetings globally, in particular, we organize meeting in two different hours (at 22.00 UTC on 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month and at 14.00 UTC on 1st, 3rd, and 5th Thursdays of the month. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for more informations.) > 3. - To define mechanism of lapsing of affiliation of an ambassador We are discussing know about this. > 4. - To define mechanism of affiliation of an ambassador We have just a definition, see fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > 5. - To define rolls and functions of Ambassador We have just a definition, see fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > 6. - To help opportune of new ambassadors (to avoid its inactivity) See Fedora Mentoring program. > 7. - To define reasons so that of considering an ambassador inactive. We have are discussing this issue, but you can understand that we will mark inactive only people that doesn't do anything. > 8. - To define reasons so that to consider assets to an ambassador See the issue above. Regards Francesco Ugolini Hernan Pachas ha scritto: > Hello. > > I am in agreement with I finish "RECOGNITION" by the work of each > ambassador, since to be ambassador it is a hard task, and constant. > > Nevertheless, I think that we could look for some form to recognize > such effort, is happened to me for example, to be continental > ambassador, who is a recognition by his effort and that therefore > occupies that position so privileged person, and within its rights it > is, the one that can receive great material of Fedora: -) and in > addition he is an interlocutor between the continent to which it > belongs and FAMSCO, or to be part of FAMSCO. : -) > > It did not know the little amount of active ambassadors in relation to > the total of registered ambassadors, because of being that the > problem, I am in agreement with the policy that thinks to use, we work > in the details like carrying out this. > > For example: > 1. - To define time of inactivity of an ambassador > 2. - To define schedules of meeting of Ambassadors by Continent > 3. - To define mechanism of lapsing of affiliation of an ambassador > 4. - To define mechanism of affiliation of an ambassador > 5. - To define rolls and functions of Ambassador > 6. - To help opportune of new ambassadors (to avoid its inactivity) > 7. - To define reasons so that of considering an ambassador inactive. > 8. - To define reasons so that to consider assets to an ambassador > > I hope that these points can contribute in improving our project of > ambassadors: -) > > Greetings > > --Hernan > > Pd. I hope can understand traducci?, since I am utizando goolge > translator, to be able to communicate to me with You. > > > > > On 4/2/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini >> wrote: >> > If someone does something, please report this in the Wiki, in weekly >> > meetings, in Mailing Lists or tell an ambassador (trough jabber or >> > telephone) to make this for you, but report ALL the activity. >> > >> > Manage a community is not simple and we need all your help to improve >> > the project and to see you are here. >> >> >> I have been following this thread and i am really happy that Ugolini has >> raised this issue, as we spoke off line about this thing few days >> back, in >> fact we need a very close contact with each other to promote Fedora, >> even it >> will be rather good if we can manage some sort of voice conference, e.g. >> skype voice conference or any other free service, to discuss each other >> activity, this kind of things will bring us more closer, while about the >> Active/Inactive Ambassadors status, I personally think that we should >> reward >> active community members, this will off course encourage them to come >> forward, about inactive members we can send them periodic emails and >> voice >> meeting invitation to join , even once in month and we will give them >> updates about the current work and events, this will push them to keep in >> touch with us. >> >> regards >> >> > Thank you >> > >> > Francesco Ugolini >> > >> > Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: >> > > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Why do we need to keep trying to make distinction between various >> > >> "levels" of ambassadors? Let's quit trying to turn this into an >> elite >> > >> club and be open to having people join and contribute in what >> ways they >> > >> can. I just don't see what this Honored Ambassadors piece gets us. >> > >> >> > > >> > > I must say you have a point here. I'd become an Ambassador when I >> wanted >> > > to join the mailing list, because I figured I could channel feedback >> > > from users in my country into development, not necessarily promote >> > > Fedora in any way (I guess I'm just not that type of guy). Either >> way... >> > > Would not actively promoting Fedora to the outside world also be >> > > considered 'inactivity'? >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Jeroen van Meeuwen >> > > -kanarip >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Nayyar Ahmad >> RHCE (ID:804006858622745) >> Skype: nayyares >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From wolfy at nobugconsulting.ro Tue Apr 3 08:23:36 2007 From: wolfy at nobugconsulting.ro (Manuel Wolfshant) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:23:36 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] presenting fedora In-Reply-To: References: <461184D2.2030203@nobugconsulting.ro> Message-ID: <46120F08.20405@nobugconsulting.ro> susmit shannigrahi wrote: [...] > CD/DVD labels are here... > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6?highlight=%28cdlabel%29 > What I did a week ago , I took one of these design to some > press..they printed it..may be a few computer shops do that too.[...] Good, that's what I was looking for. > As its a student's seminar,try to get them involved into fedora project. > A Demo of Fedora is also fine ,but exploring the opportunities in > fedora project will be much better , as we may find a few more > contributors. That's my scope. We'll see. For the time being nothing is sure about these seminars... > And presentations are here > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations > > You shall find everything here. Excellent, thank you. Manuel From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Apr 3 08:48:50 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:48:50 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704021329w35684625nf642f111d4591@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> <5028e1a00704021255q5257a933w90f2ddfd85efd048@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704021329w35684625nf642f111d4591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175590130.15263.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> -1 Disagree I see to many problems relating to this. Provided those problems are sorted I have no complaints. Regards, Marc On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 22:29 +0200, nihed mbarek wrote: > +1 :) > > 2007/4/2, Hanafiah Muhamad : > I agree > > +1 > > By doing this this we can eliminate sleeping ambassador. > > > On 4/3/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. > wrote: > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: > > This is true, and you can organize local meeting, > but we have to > > remember we are a global community and we have to > work ALL TOGETHER. If > > you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but > first of all there > > is global meeting, where all ambassador work to > organize the events, > > activities and propose new ideas to improve the > community. > > You how believe possible to control who works and who > does not do it?, > each contribution by very small that is invaluable. > > I believe that instead of propose to create a control > and bureaucracy, > consider that who really work, they must have > unconditional help from > famsco, and who help little must also receive > incentives. Instead of > criticizing who should to be excluded from the > _select_ group of > Ambassadors, must consider strategies globally by > cover the requests > of them. > > -- > Wilmer Jaramillo M. > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 > 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > --- > Mohd Hanafiah bin Muhamad > Fedora Ambassadors for Malaysia > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HanafiahMuhamad > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For whom is it a BIG problem? > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. Is this a proposal of you? Or is it a proposal of FAmSCo? Only four or six weeks ago you came out with a nearly similar proposal, I think Emeritus Ambassador or something like that? What is your exact motivation behind all this? What do you want to achieve? Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 09:57:03 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:57:03 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Feedback/survey Form template In-Reply-To: References: <5028e1a00703310919x4286bbabndb93702ddb52a504@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30703311007i38469a9bkaa568609f0c709e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So, are there any guidelines somewhere which can be followed? -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 09:58:14 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:58:14 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Feedback/survey Form template In-Reply-To: References: <5028e1a00703310919x4286bbabndb93702ddb52a504@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30703311007i38469a9bkaa568609f0c709e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So, are there any guidelines somewhere which can be followed? -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 10:06:27 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:36:27 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Feedback/survey Form template In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e3d3af30704030306s4fb271d7p3b2b54920c299d89@mail.gmail.com> On 3/31/07, Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > Is theres any template for feedback form available somewhere for > ambassadors use? Would really depend on what you intend to capture. For example, you can target UserCategories: * Desktop User (new or migrating from Windows) * Desktop User (migrating from other Linux OS) * Server User (System/Network Administrators) * Specialised Desktop User (Graphics, Animation, Sound etc) and there on drill down to: * Which bits were difficult to handle during installation * Which bits of the regular/daily workflow is difficult/different * How often do they update their boxes - do they use Auto Updation * Are they able to use the complete power of their hardware (eg Display with max possible resolution) * Which hardware bits did not get detected and/or configured properly * Were there data loss due to data formats being locked-in etc :Sankarshan -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 12:32:33 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:32:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704021329w35684625nf642f111d4591@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> <5028e1a00704021255q5257a933w90f2ddfd85efd048@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704021329w35684625nf642f111d4591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46124961.2080903@fedoraproject.org> It's not a FAmSCo problem, it's a community problem. We are tying daily to improve the community but we see people not take part of this process. FAmSCo actually receive only material requests, but none is asking him for help etc... Why ??? We need participation, we know we came from all over the world but we have to stay TOGETHER, we have given people the tool to do this, e.g. Mailing List (people can ask, propose etc...), we have given an email alias to make people possible to filter the email, we have given an irc channel, we have given our telephone number (if you haven't this, ask here or thought private mails), we have given you the chance to mmet us in the events. We have tried all the possibilities but only few people actually used this ones. I want to ask again: Why people don't participate ? As the consequence of this consideration I think we have to say STOP!, and the only tool that we have to create more strict rules. We are the first that test an Ambassadorship activity, we have no past examples, we can only learn new things from this project. One thing that I've learned is that we are a different project from Documentation/Extras/Artwork/etc..., because we don't follow concrete activities, we don't write code, write guides etc... : we talk with people, we try daily to sponsor our project and, deeply, a philosophy. It's inevitable that we have to use different rules and those can be seen as bad ones, but if we don't try we will stay in the actual condition. Sorry, but i don't want this. I'm trying since the first day here to make a dream real, today i believe this is the only way to make this possible. I think this discussion will help all people to understand the difficulties to collaborate in a Global Community, with our cultural differences, with our goals etc... Regards Francesco Ugolini nihed mbarek ha scritto: > +1 :) > > 2007/4/2, Hanafiah Muhamad >: > > I agree > > +1 > > By doing this this we can eliminate sleeping ambassador. > > > On 4/3/07, *Wilmer Jaramillo M.* > wrote: > > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini < > francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org > > wrote: > > This is true, and you can organize local meeting, but we have to > > remember we are a global community and we have to work ALL > TOGETHER. If > > you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but first of > all there > > is global meeting, where all ambassador work to organize the > events, > > activities and propose new ideas to improve the community. > > You how believe possible to control who works and who does not > do it?, > each contribution by very small that is invaluable. > > I believe that instead of propose to create a control and > bureaucracy, > consider that who really work, they must have unconditional help > from > famsco, and who help little must also receive incentives. > Instead of > criticizing who should to be excluded from the _select_ group of > Ambassadors, must consider strategies globally by cover the requests > of them. > > -- > Wilmer Jaramillo M. > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 > A4B2 1E8A > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > --- > Mohd Hanafiah bin Muhamad > Fedora Ambassadors for Malaysia > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HanafiahMuhamad > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 12:42:48 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:42:48 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> First of all Emeritus Ambassador is a completely different proposal, we are talking about Active/Inactive Ambassadors. But going over ... You say that people do nothing is not a problem, but let me say the reason why this is our BIG problem. First of all we are a community that have a goal: promote Fedora and Open Source Philosophy. A person who join this project have the role to do this. If he doesn't work what is doing here? We aren't paid, we don't force people to join, so why we have to allow people have their name in Ambassador List? In you company is better that people work or the stay on the chair thinking the sun? I think that if someone does this he would be fired instantly. We haven't this motto: "We are an Open Source community, who doesn't do anything is Welcome" we ask people to work. Another point, why we ask a probation period, not to annoying people for a month but to see is someone is truly convinced to stay here. We aren't a toy that who want can use and then trow. We are serious people that are here to work, work, work. Regards Francesco Ugolini Matthias Kranz ha scritto: > On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 21:11 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve >> this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and >> virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > For whom is it a BIG problem? > >> I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: >> >> - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in >> both personal and global ambassadors pages). >> >> - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive >> he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. >> >> At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of >> this condition. >> >> The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both >> are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. >> Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > Is this a proposal of you? Or is it a proposal of FAmSCo? Only four or > six weeks ago you came out with a nearly similar proposal, I think > Emeritus Ambassador or something like that? > > What is your exact motivation behind all this? What do you want to > achieve? > > Cheers, > Matthias -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From david at gnsa.us Tue Apr 3 13:09:07 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Ugolini wrote: > You say that people do nothing is not a problem, but let me say the > reason why this is our BIG problem. Yes, getting more people actively involved is indeed the goal. However, allowing 'inactive' individuals to remain a part of the group isn't a problem. Having X inactive Ambassadors costs the project nothing. Kicking X inactive Ambassadors out engenders much bad feelings from those ex-Ambassadors, and is thus counter-productive. At least inactive they weren't helping or hurting. With egos bruised they are going to be more likely to be anti-Fedora, and even if they aren't actively campaigning against us, they are likely to at least have bad feelings against Fedora, are more likely to use a different Distro, and recommend it. Purging them doesn't buy you anything, except perchance making those who have the Ambassador title a bit more elite, which I can't imagine is what we are after. > > First of all we are a community that have a goal: promote Fedora and > Open Source Philosophy. A person who join this project have the role to > do this. If he doesn't work what is doing here? > > We aren't paid, we don't force people to join, so why we have to allow > people have their name in Ambassador List? Perhaps what is needed is a minimum standard prior to joining - one has to do X, Y and/or Z before one can become an Ambassador. However, that hasn't been the standard. The standard has been, sign the CLA, join the mailing list, and introduce yourself. > In you company is better that people work or the stay on the chair > thinking the sun? I think that if someone does this he would be fired > instantly. This is the problem. You equate a volunteer with a paid employee. Having an employee sit around and do nothing, and still collect a paycheck costs something. You are putting out the salary and benefits, and expect something in return. What does Fedora put into the Ambassadors, particularly these 'inactive' Ambassadors? An email alias? a few processor cycles sending them mailing list posts? In the grand scheme of things, it costs Fedora nothing to have an inactive ambassador, and because we 'give' the Ambassador nothing, it's hard to demand a certain level of activity of a volunteer, particularly when the bar is set so low to join initially. > > We haven't this motto: "We are an Open Source community, who doesn't do > anything is Welcome" we ask people to work. Another point, why we ask a > probation period, not to annoying people for a month but to see is > someone is truly convinced to stay here. The only restriction for people on probation is that they can't request swag, they still get the title, the email alias, etc. That tells me that FamSCo or RH simply didn't want to ship thousands of dollars of merchandise to someone who has only been around for a week. > > We aren't a toy that who want can use and then trow. We are serious > people that are here to work, work, work. So then why permit anyone to use or download Fedora if they aren't serious and don't want to contribute back? Our software is important, many many people invest hours upon hours of development, packaging, artwork, etc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGElHzkZOYj+cNI1cRAn92AJoDvFCYot6ZYQY4oMtCp10H3l37ggCgsvrJ 2SUfnWf6hV8vfK3IgnhSwQM= =g31m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Apr 3 13:21:22 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:21:22 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> David Nalley wrote: > > Yes, getting more people actively involved is indeed the goal. However, > allowing 'inactive' individuals to remain a part of the group isn't a > problem. Having X inactive Ambassadors costs the project nothing. > Kicking X inactive Ambassadors out engenders much bad feelings from > those ex-Ambassadors, and is thus counter-productive. At least inactive > they weren't helping or hurting. With egos bruised they are going to be > more likely to be anti-Fedora, and even if they aren't actively > campaigning against us, they are likely to at least have bad feelings > against Fedora, are more likely to use a different Distro, and recommend > it. Purging them doesn't buy you anything, except perchance making those > who have the Ambassador title a bit more elite, which I can't imagine is > what we are after. > Two points here: 1) The project is not a Teletubby fanclub, _if_ we make a point and vote and start kicking people out, they've been warned and apparently accepted they stay inactive and thus be kicked out; we shouldn't feel sorry; they shouldn't feel hurt 2) Egos bruised, strong argument, and although I'm all for anyone promoting any distro (the more free the better), it may be better to find a way to contact these sleepers and get them to no longer be inactive. I don't have any of such ideas, maybe someone else does? BTW, there's a lot of discussion here, does everyone know the vote may be called in a meeting? Really, if you have a strong enough opinion to mail it to the mailing list, come in and vote during the meeting, or submit your vote to another ambassador that will attend (and sign the message with your GPG, so the other ambassador can show you submitted your vote to him/her). Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen From polytropolis at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 13:27:26 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:27:26 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Room / Bed for Linuxtag In-Reply-To: <1175586939.3859.20.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> References: <1175586939.3859.20.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1175606846.23765.0.camel@mainstation> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 09:55 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi all, > > as you all know, you are booth staff of the German Linuxtag and you have > requested your room at the WIKI at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2007/Rooms > > Also, you all know, that Max Spevack promised that the Project will try > to pay a (undefined yet) amount for our accommodation. That's great in > my eyes! > > Since a couple of weeks I stay in contact with our Ambassador Kushal Das > from India (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KushalDas) who answered the > CFP (call for paper) from Linuxtag and also waits for an answer to get > the high costs paid / sponsored by Linuxtag to attend the event and > also ... > > ... to hold an talk for RFID. > > He did not get an answer for sponsoring from the ORGA Team of Linuxtag. > By asking me for help, I suggested to ask Max for the sponsoring of his > travel costs. Max agreed that he has to be sponsored and guaranteed his > flight costs. OUTSTANDING job Max, thanks! > > The next issue with him is now that he is talking to friends that he > will get a "private credit" that he can attend because he needs food, > bed and so on ... > > Me personally wants now to ask you all guys if it`s not possible to pay > him the bed in the triple rooms at our hostel so he has one issue less > that he has to take care for. > > And also personally I'd like to abandon on my private RH/Fedora > Sponsorship for accomodation if we can get this issue solved like > suggested. > If we all pay EURO 1,50 more that the hostel costs for our own, we have > covered him ... No problem for me! +1 > > Do you have any other idea? > > > Just my five cents. > Claus Reheis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Tue Apr 3 13:49:34 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:49:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 14:42 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > First of all Emeritus Ambassador is a completely different proposal, we > are talking about Active/Inactive Ambassadors. Hmm. Then I have got a different email here from you. In the one I have you were talking about active/inactive ambassadors and you stated that very active ambassadors should be distinguished by becoming a "Honored Ambassador". > But going over ... > > You say that people do nothing is not a problem, but let me say the > reason why this is our BIG problem. > > First of all we are a community that have a goal: promote Fedora and > Open Source Philosophy. A person who join this project have the role to > do this. If he doesn't work what is doing here? > > We aren't paid, we don't force people to join, so why we have to allow > people have their name in Ambassador List? See, exactly this is my problem. You always try to distinguish people and classify them. I really do not see why inactive ambassadors be an obstacle for active ones?! In others words: You are unhappy with the productiveness of today's Ambassadors. You remove all "inactive" ones. And now tell me why this move leads to a higher productiveness of the rest? > In you company is better that people work or the stay on the chair > thinking the sun? I think that if someone does this he would be fired > instantly. Come on. Please do not mix up totally different things. See above. If I remove my inactive employees then I at least save some money. Maybe I am even able to spend the saved money for more productive people but we are talking about people who are willing to spend _some_ amount of time to help the Fedora Project. And that's great. > We haven't this motto: "We are an Open Source community, who doesn't do > anything is Welcome" we ask people to work. Another point, why we ask a > probation period, not to annoying people for a month but to see is > someone is truly convinced to stay here. Yeah. But this something different. If he is inactive nobody would care about him anyway right? > We aren't a toy that who want can use and then trow. We are serious > people that are here to work, work, work. Okay, I truly respect your personal motivation and engagement. But again, I still think neither removing inactive ambassadors nor the introduction of a different title helps the Ambassadors Project being more productive. Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From david at gnsa.us Tue Apr 3 13:52:10 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:52:10 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <46125C0A.2060200@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 inline reply > > Two points here: > > 1) The project is not a Teletubby fanclub, _if_ we make a point and vote > and start kicking people out, they've been warned and apparently > accepted they stay inactive and thus be kicked out; we shouldn't feel > sorry; they shouldn't feel hurt I agree wholeheartedly! However, there are a couple of problems The first problem is, that to kick people out, we first need to 1) define what levels of activity are acceptable 2) define what period of time we are measuring activity 3) define what activity means (mailing list posts, event attendance, activity reports, something else?) Now mind you, whether to do it or not has been a topic of relatively hot debate, if you gain consensus that it should be done, you then have to gain consensus on what standards should exist, and what exceptions to have and how it should be done. That's a lot of work, instead of putting so much work into that, aren't there other things that progress the goals of the Fedora Project more than trying to exclude people. The second problem is that regardless of how they should react to a reasonable action, human nature dictates that they will be hurt by the actions. > > 2) Egos bruised, strong argument, and although I'm all for anyone > promoting any distro (the more free the better), it may be better to > find a way to contact these sleepers and get them to no longer be inactive. That would be a FAR better use of time than jumping through the hoops outlined above to kick people out. > I don't have any of such ideas, maybe someone else does? > > BTW, there's a lot of discussion here, does everyone know the vote may > be called in a meeting? Really, if you have a strong enough opinion to > mail it to the mailing list, come in and vote during the meeting, or > submit your vote to another ambassador that will attend (and sign the > message with your GPG, so the other ambassador can show you submitted > your vote to him/her). Votes/polls taken tend to be non-binding around here anyway. Reference the recent Marketing/Ambassador mailing list issues. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGElwKkZOYj+cNI1cRAspTAJ48Na/aW07KixLUUHS6k6ZYYUwAjACgnAMJ xi0sCG9ktdLNrBx6S0Vw+Jc= =OS1m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 14:04:13 2007 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:04:13 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] presenting fedora In-Reply-To: <46120F08.20405@nobugconsulting.ro> References: <461184D2.2030203@nobugconsulting.ro> <46120F08.20405@nobugconsulting.ro> Message-ID: <46125EDD.3040305@fedoraproject.org> You shouldn't distribute fedora 7 test 3, because it's still a *test* release. But you can try the installation for the livecd on your own computer, and if this works, i think it a good thing to show. (this worked perfectly on my two onw laptops) Maxime Manuel Wolfshant a ?crit : > susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > [...] >> CD/DVD labels are here... >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6?highlight=%28cdlabel%29 >> What I did a week ago , I took one of these design to some >> press..they printed it..may be a few computer shops do that too.[...] > Good, that's what I was looking for. > > >> As its a student's seminar,try to get them involved into fedora project. >> A Demo of Fedora is also fine ,but exploring the opportunities in >> fedora project will be much better , as we may find a few more >> contributors. > That's my scope. We'll see. For the time being nothing is sure about > these seminars... > > >> And presentations are here >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations >> >> You shall find everything here. > Excellent, thank you. > > > Manuel > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From david at gnsa.us Tue Apr 3 14:02:17 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Kranz wrote: > But again, I still think neither removing inactive ambassadors nor the > introduction of a different title helps the Ambassadors Project being > more productive. Thats a great question! What's the benefit? How does a purge, or honor title creation help the Ambassadors Project achieve it's goal more effectively? Our goals (per the wiki) are to: # Represent Fedora Project to the wider public # Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source # Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the feedback to Fedora Project # Help recruit project contributors # Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region Which of those goals are we accomplishing when we do this. The closest thing that I can think of is that we 'scare' or motivate people who so desperately want to hang onto the title 'Ambassador' into doing the minimum amount of work necessary to retain said title and engendering much ill will in the process which seems counter to our goals. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGEl5pkZOYj+cNI1cRAgt9AJ9RVgv2didGbDG621lprljuSJii+gCgqD3p /PNXntw2AviCpU39nSM21ww= =Snit -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 14:23:13 2007 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:23:13 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:02 -0400, David Nalley wrote: > Matthias Kranz wrote: > > > But again, I still think neither removing inactive ambassadors nor the > > introduction of a different title helps the Ambassadors Project being > > more productive. > > Thats a great question! What's the benefit? How does a purge, or honor > title creation help the Ambassadors Project achieve it's goal more > effectively? > > Our goals (per the wiki) are to: > # Represent Fedora Project to the wider public > # Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source > # Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the > feedback to Fedora Project > # Help recruit project contributors > # Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region > > Which of those goals are we accomplishing when we do this. > The closest thing that I can think of is that we 'scare' or motivate > people who so desperately want to hang onto the title 'Ambassador' into > doing the minimum amount of work necessary to retain said title and > engendering much ill will in the process which seems counter to our goals. +1. This does nothing to help the problem, and will only serve to drive users away from the project. Frankly, I can't even believe this is being discussed. /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ideas on this point: 1. - Gifts of Peluches Fedora 2. - Gifts of DVDs 3. - Present for active ambassadors, by its birthday. 4. - Trips paid for some convention (SUMMIT RH, etc) 5. - Paid Vacations. 6. - Etc. That is to say, although supporting to the fedora project, we do not do it by money, perhaps the project if it can motivate to us with the putnos previously mentioned. Ideas are single. Greetings, ---HernanPachas On 4/3/07, Lee Joseph wrote: > Well, admittedly, I am guilty of this, as real life has me bogged down so > bad I haven't been active on IRC, but I am involved heavily in real life. > While I understand what some proposing, can't we sent messages to people who > haven't been active for a year first? > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 16:10:44 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:10:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <46127C84.5090302@fedoraproject.org> We have not a voting, we will discuss (all together) and, at the end, we will propose a text to FAmSCo. For the rest of you message, i agree completely. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > David Nalley wrote: >> >> Yes, getting more people actively involved is indeed the goal. However, >> allowing 'inactive' individuals to remain a part of the group isn't a >> problem. Having X inactive Ambassadors costs the project nothing. >> Kicking X inactive Ambassadors out engenders much bad feelings from >> those ex-Ambassadors, and is thus counter-productive. At least inactive >> they weren't helping or hurting. With egos bruised they are going to be >> more likely to be anti-Fedora, and even if they aren't actively >> campaigning against us, they are likely to at least have bad feelings >> against Fedora, are more likely to use a different Distro, and recommend >> it. Purging them doesn't buy you anything, except perchance making those >> who have the Ambassador title a bit more elite, which I can't imagine is >> what we are after. >> > > Two points here: > > 1) The project is not a Teletubby fanclub, _if_ we make a point and vote > and start kicking people out, they've been warned and apparently > accepted they stay inactive and thus be kicked out; we shouldn't feel > sorry; they shouldn't feel hurt > > 2) Egos bruised, strong argument, and although I'm all for anyone > promoting any distro (the more free the better), it may be better to > find a way to contact these sleepers and get them to no longer be inactive. > > I don't have any of such ideas, maybe someone else does? > > BTW, there's a lot of discussion here, does everyone know the vote may > be called in a meeting? Really, if you have a strong enough opinion to > mail it to the mailing list, come in and vote during the meeting, or > submit your vote to another ambassador that will attend (and sign the > message with your GPG, so the other ambassador can show you submitted > your vote to him/her). > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 16:12:35 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:12:35 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46127CF3.1080002@fedoraproject.org> Yes, I've talked about Honored Ambassadors, but it's different from Active/Inactive ambassadors status. This will be a new solution to attract more people and to improve our productivity. I think it will be the only prize an ambassador would he receive, in my opinion. Regards Francesco Ugolini Matthias Kranz ha scritto: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 14:42 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> First of all Emeritus Ambassador is a completely different proposal, we >> are talking about Active/Inactive Ambassadors. > > Hmm. Then I have got a different email here from you. In the one I have > you were talking about active/inactive ambassadors and you stated that > very active ambassadors should be distinguished by becoming a "Honored > Ambassador". > >> But going over ... >> >> You say that people do nothing is not a problem, but let me say the >> reason why this is our BIG problem. >> >> First of all we are a community that have a goal: promote Fedora and >> Open Source Philosophy. A person who join this project have the role to >> do this. If he doesn't work what is doing here? >> >> We aren't paid, we don't force people to join, so why we have to allow >> people have their name in Ambassador List? > > See, exactly this is my problem. You always try to distinguish people > and classify them. I really do not see why inactive ambassadors be an > obstacle for active ones?! In others words: You are unhappy with the > productiveness of today's Ambassadors. You remove all "inactive" ones. > And now tell me why this move leads to a higher productiveness of the > rest? > >> In you company is better that people work or the stay on the chair >> thinking the sun? I think that if someone does this he would be fired >> instantly. > > Come on. Please do not mix up totally different things. See above. If I > remove my inactive employees then I at least save some money. Maybe I am > even able to spend the saved money for more productive people but we are > talking about people who are willing to spend _some_ amount of time to > help the Fedora Project. And that's great. > >> We haven't this motto: "We are an Open Source community, who doesn't do >> anything is Welcome" we ask people to work. Another point, why we ask a >> probation period, not to annoying people for a month but to see is >> someone is truly convinced to stay here. > > Yeah. But this something different. If he is inactive nobody would care > about him anyway right? > >> We aren't a toy that who want can use and then trow. We are serious >> people that are here to work, work, work. > > Okay, I truly respect your personal motivation and engagement. > > But again, I still think neither removing inactive ambassadors nor the > introduction of a different title helps the Ambassadors Project being > more productive. > > Cheers, > Matthias -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 16:13:36 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:13:36 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: <46127D30.3020902@fedoraproject.org> Have you another solution ? Francesco Ugolini Brian Pepple ha scritto: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:02 -0400, David Nalley wrote: >> Matthias Kranz wrote: >> >>> But again, I still think neither removing inactive ambassadors nor the >>> introduction of a different title helps the Ambassadors Project being >>> more productive. >> Thats a great question! What's the benefit? How does a purge, or honor >> title creation help the Ambassadors Project achieve it's goal more >> effectively? >> >> Our goals (per the wiki) are to: >> # Represent Fedora Project to the wider public >> # Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source >> # Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the >> feedback to Fedora Project >> # Help recruit project contributors >> # Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region >> >> Which of those goals are we accomplishing when we do this. >> The closest thing that I can think of is that we 'scare' or motivate >> people who so desperately want to hang onto the title 'Ambassador' into >> doing the minimum amount of work necessary to retain said title and >> engendering much ill will in the process which seems counter to our goals. > > +1. This does nothing to help the problem, and will only serve to drive > users away from the project. Frankly, I can't even believe this is > being discussed. > > /B > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 16:16:57 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:16:57 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46127DF9.4050402@fedoraproject.org> You have to call inactive ambassador, I stated to make this, and i encourage all ambassadors to make the same. As i said it's not important if you don't follow irc meeting, is important to work, and, personally, i think a real world work is the most important thing an ambassador can do. But i want to reply: we need report, to understand what is done and what will be done. Regards Francesco Ugolini Lee Joseph ha scritto: > Well, admittedly, I am guilty of this, as real life has me bogged down > so bad I haven't been active on IRC, but I am involved heavily in real > life. While I understand what some proposing, can't we sent messages to > people who haven't been active for a year first? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 16:21:42 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:21:42 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> We can support ambassador giving them materials to promote fedora but we can't absolutely became a gadget shop, people will join th project to receive the gadgets and probably after this they will do nothing. We have just a Recognition Award that prize ambassadors who work hard. I think people have to work not to receive a prize but to make something that can enjoy them and can improve their experience. Regards Francesco Ugolini Hernan Pachas ha scritto: > Motivation is the word that We are looking for :), if they are managed > to motivate the ambassadors, we can cause that they are always active. > > Ideas on this point: > 1. - Gifts of Peluches Fedora > 2. - Gifts of DVDs > 3. - Present for active ambassadors, by its birthday. > 4. - Trips paid for some convention (SUMMIT RH, etc) > 5. - Paid Vacations. > 6. - Etc. > > That is to say, although supporting to the fedora project, we do not > do it by money, perhaps the project if it can motivate to us with the > putnos previously mentioned. Ideas are single. > > Greetings, > > ---HernanPachas > > > > > On 4/3/07, Lee Joseph wrote: >> Well, admittedly, I am guilty of this, as real life has me bogged down so >> bad I haven't been active on IRC, but I am involved heavily in real life. >> While I understand what some proposing, can't we sent messages to >> people who >> haven't been active for a year first? >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Apr 3 16:24:30 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:24:30 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46127C84.5090302@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> <46127C84.5090302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46127FBE.6050304@kanarip.com> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > We have not a voting, we will discuss (all together) and, at the end, we > will propose a text to FAmSCo. > I figured even before I had sent the message, but I wanted the "we're often voting during meetings" message and "submit your vote to someone else" to come across ;-) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 16:29:56 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:29:56 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46127FBE.6050304@kanarip.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <461251F3.9000008@gnsa.us> <461254D2.7080307@kanarip.com> <46127C84.5090302@fedoraproject.org> <46127FBE.6050304@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <46128104.3050107@fedoraproject.org> Yes, if it can encourage people, we will do this, good idea :) I will add this in the next meeting agenda. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jeroen van Meeuwen ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> We have not a voting, we will discuss (all together) and, at the end, we >> will propose a text to FAmSCo. >> > > I figured even before I had sent the message, but I wanted the "we're > often voting during meetings" message and "submit your vote to someone > else" to come across ;-) > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 16:37:35 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > We can support ambassador giving them materials to promote fedora but we > can't absolutely became a gadget shop, people will join th project to > receive the gadgets and probably after this they will do nothing. > > We have just a Recognition Award that prize ambassadors who work hard. Fine..then why another title *honored ambassador* ? Think of a student who works for fedora ,eventually become an honored ambassador for great job, then join an IT company..When he can afford no more time for fedora... become completely inactive..what do you propose in this situation ? -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 17:13:33 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:13:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> After the period of inactivity he will became emeritus ambassador. That would be a possible solution. Francesco Ugolini susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: >> We can support ambassador giving them materials to promote fedora but we >> can't absolutely became a gadget shop, people will join th project to >> receive the gadgets and probably after this they will do nothing. >> >> We have just a Recognition Award that prize ambassadors who work hard. > > Fine..then why another title *honored ambassador* ? > Think of a student who works for fedora ,eventually become an honored > ambassador for great job, then join an IT company..When he can afford > no more time for fedora... > become completely inactive..what do you propose in this situation ? > > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 17:21:18 2007 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:21:18 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46112686.3020101@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <46112686.3020101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070403172118.GA8234@gja.in> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini sent out 2.5K bytes to say: > 1) When i used the word inactive I'm referring to people who doesn't > anything, and as I've said a lot of time is not the meeting absence that > make an ambassador inactive. I think that, if we are bent n distinguishing between active and inactive definition. Perhaps on the wiki? I will admit I may have missed it, but what EXACTLY is the point of flagging an Ambassador as inactive? Are we planning to `kick` them off `the list`, so that they aren't going to steal top-secret um.... secrets? The original post mentions that some ambassador did not reply when he was contacted. I agree that this is a problem. Rather than kicking those who don't respond out, how about another solution? LEt those who want to be contacted, have a little contact-me-for-help flag near their name. Thos ambassadors who DON'T have enough time to speak to Joe Random, but want to help us in other ways, like at events, write about fedora, promote fedora to special groups (the govt, fedora in edu) don't really need to have a flag next to their name. Even if there are a ton of ambassadors who are totally inactive, so what? We are here to BUILD A COMMUNITY. It's what brings projects together, not just open source ones. We aren't going to turn around to some other distro and say "so wtf if you have more users/packages/ambassadors than us, WE have more dedicated ambassadors!" Some ambassadors don't really have enough time to be in _any_ of the meetings, as they don't really have any opinion on any of those particular topics, and they don't plan on going to those events. However, I'm sure that when the time comes for an event they _are_ going to, and a topic they _are_ interested in, they'll make time > 2)Honored ambassador will not be an elite but a group of people who > distinguish themselves for their work. Is not the same thing that happen > in many company: people who work a lot received a recognition, this > recognition is the status of permanent ambassadors. What happened to those ambassador awards anyway? Getting presents in the mail sure made a lot of people feel good :D Lets think positive, instead of trying to punish those who helped us once, and then decided to sit on the fence until something interesting comes along? PS: Yes I know this post is rather hypocritial. -- Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in From jnanney at mscoast.com Tue Apr 3 17:32:03 2007 From: jnanney at mscoast.com (Jim Nanney) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Ugolini wrote: > After the period of inactivity he will became emeritus ambassador. That > would be a possible solution. > > Francesco Ugolini > > susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: >>> We can support ambassador giving them materials to promote fedora but we >>> can't absolutely became a gadget shop, people will join th project to >>> receive the gadgets and probably after this they will do nothing. >>> >>> We have just a Recognition Award that prize ambassadors who work hard. >> Fine..then why another title *honored ambassador* ? >> Think of a student who works for fedora ,eventually become an honored >> ambassador for great job, then join an IT company..When he can afford >> no more time for fedora... >> become completely inactive..what do you propose in this situation ? >> >> > Why not do like the Free Media Contributors section. List Active Ambassadors and Inactive Ambassadors. In this way, no one is "kicked out" for inactivity. It is reasonable to assume that everyone who has joined the Ambassadors program has done so because of wanting to contribute. So it is also reasonable to assume they have in whatever way the particular person could whether or not it was actually reported back. Moving the names to an Inactive list, but not removing the names is motivation enough to want to stay active. If not, it still does not give the previous (yet now inactive) contributor a "kicked out" feeling. New titles should be another large discussion. What would merit receiving the new title? Who judges what is worthy of that title? To me this can lead to animosity as well. I propose no new titles, and also not removing Ambassadors. The community is stronger by more communication, but new titles, and kicking out inactive Ambassadors seems to be the wrong way to achieve this. As for me, I should be on the inactive list, because I have not attended the IRC meetings, posted on this list, or reported on what I have done to promote Fedora. I think the Steering Committee should weigh heavily the downfall that could occur by removing Inactive (most likely previously active) Ambassadors, and the animosity that can be created by segregating Ambassadors in levels requiring differing titles. - --Jim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGEo+T3GRPSy3vDJMRAnQKAKC3S9IQ2fMI0FZvc7XxHWcda9tgWQCgkPzp RxBhDholwKGoH/NOK7JFyx8= =uyJA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 17:41:41 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:41:41 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <20070403172118.GA8234@gja.in> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <46112686.3020101@fedoraproject.org> <20070403172118.GA8234@gja.in> Message-ID: <461291D5.3050501@fedoraproject.org> You can read my first messages to understand the reason of this proposal. After all, my proposal won't kick off ambassadors, it want to encourage ambassador to work, i want that the ambassadors community will rose more and more. As you know one of my keyword is COMMUNITY i believe it's the only way to promote open source and to work all together, but a community is not a place where the people doesn't do anything, is a place where people make something to improve something else. I hope all inactive ambassador will re-start to work, I've tried in the past months to contact many of us, but it's not simple and many time people don't reply to me. Finally, I'm not talking about a punitive solution, I want to find a solution to restore the community. It seems a pessimistic view, but if we don't do anything we will risk to lost this one. Regards Francesco Ugolini Tejas Dinkar ha scritto: > On Mon, 02 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini sent out 2.5K bytes to say: >> 1) When i used the word inactive I'm referring to people who doesn't >> anything, and as I've said a lot of time is not the meeting absence that >> make an ambassador inactive. > > I think that, if we are bent n distinguishing between active and > inactive definition. Perhaps on the wiki? > > I will admit I may have missed it, but what EXACTLY is the point of > flagging an Ambassador as inactive? > > Are we planning to `kick` them off `the list`, so that they aren't going > to steal top-secret um.... secrets? > > The original post mentions that some ambassador did not reply when he > was contacted. I agree that this is a problem. Rather than kicking those > who don't respond out, how about another solution? LEt those who want to > be contacted, have a little contact-me-for-help flag near their name. > Thos ambassadors who DON'T have enough time to speak to Joe Random, but > want to help us in other ways, like at events, write about fedora, promote > fedora to special groups (the govt, fedora in edu) don't really need to > have a flag next to their name. > > Even if there are a ton of ambassadors who are totally inactive, so > what? We are here to BUILD A COMMUNITY. It's what brings projects > together, not just open source ones. We aren't going to turn around to > some other distro and say "so wtf if you have more > users/packages/ambassadors than us, WE have more dedicated ambassadors!" > > Some ambassadors don't really have enough time to be in _any_ of the > meetings, as they don't really have any opinion on any of those > particular topics, and they don't plan on going to those events. > > However, I'm sure that when the time comes for an event they _are_ going > to, and a topic they _are_ interested in, they'll make time > >> 2)Honored ambassador will not be an elite but a group of people who >> distinguish themselves for their work. Is not the same thing that happen >> in many company: people who work a lot received a recognition, this >> recognition is the status of permanent ambassadors. > > What happened to those ambassador awards anyway? > > Getting presents in the mail sure made a lot of people feel good :D > > Lets think positive, instead of trying to punish those who helped us > once, and then decided to sit on the fence until something interesting > comes along? > > PS: Yes I know this post is rather hypocritial. -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 17:48:01 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:48:01 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> Message-ID: <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> A LITTLE ADVICE (not referred to this post): i know I've written a lot of posts, but please, first to reply to a mail, please read all messages written by me (or the first 5 with this topic), because it's unpractical to write the same things a lot of time. Yes, in fact, the kick-off is the second part of my proposal, the first one is to mark ambassadors, who don't work, inactive. After this, i don't know if my English is so worst as it seems to be, i not say that people who don't follow irc meetings would be marked inactive. For the title question i think it's the best way to prize working ambassadors (but we can discuss lately, first of all focus your attention on inactive/active proposal). Regards Francesco Ugolini Jim Nanney ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> After the period of inactivity he will became emeritus ambassador. That >> would be a possible solution. > >> Francesco Ugolini > >> susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: >>>> We can support ambassador giving them materials to promote fedora but we >>>> can't absolutely became a gadget shop, people will join th project to >>>> receive the gadgets and probably after this they will do nothing. >>>> >>>> We have just a Recognition Award that prize ambassadors who work hard. >>> Fine..then why another title *honored ambassador* ? >>> Think of a student who works for fedora ,eventually become an honored >>> ambassador for great job, then join an IT company..When he can afford >>> no more time for fedora... >>> become completely inactive..what do you propose in this situation ? >>> >>> > > Why not do like the Free Media Contributors section. List Active > Ambassadors and Inactive Ambassadors. In this way, no one is "kicked > out" for inactivity. > > It is reasonable to assume that everyone who has joined the Ambassadors > program has done so because of wanting to contribute. So it is also > reasonable to assume they have in whatever way the particular person > could whether or not it was actually reported back. > > Moving the names to an Inactive list, but not removing the names is > motivation enough to want to stay active. If not, it still does not > give the previous (yet now inactive) contributor a "kicked out" feeling. > > New titles should be another large discussion. What would merit > receiving the new title? Who judges what is worthy of that title? To > me this can lead to animosity as well. > > I propose no new titles, and also not removing Ambassadors. The > community is stronger by more communication, but new titles, and kicking > out inactive Ambassadors seems to be the wrong way to achieve this. > > As for me, I should be on the inactive list, because I have not attended > the IRC meetings, posted on this list, or reported on what I have done > to promote Fedora. > > I think the Steering Committee should weigh heavily the downfall that > could occur by removing Inactive (most likely previously active) > Ambassadors, and the animosity that can be created by segregating > Ambassadors in levels requiring differing titles. > > --Jim -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From fusion94 at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 18:00:27 2007 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:00:27 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I've not followed this thread from the start at all but how do you propose to define whether or not someone has been active as an ambassador or not? I mean I've not attended an IRC meeting in some time but on the other hand in the past 6 months I've burned and distributed somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 Fedora DVDs, I've also moved over 5 consulting clients over from Debian/CentOS over to Fedora Core. Does this make me inactive or not even if I cannot attend the IRC meetings? The point I'm trying to make is that there are probably quite a few Ambassadors that could be marked as inactive based on that while behind the scenes they are making more of an active contribution to Fedora than some of our more vocal Ambassadors. thoughts? -t -- Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net fusion94 at gmail.com On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > A LITTLE ADVICE (not referred to this post): i know I've written a lot > of posts, but please, first to reply to a mail, please read all > messages > written by me (or the first 5 with this topic), because it's > unpractical > to write the same things a lot of time. > > Yes, in fact, the kick-off is the second part of my proposal, the > first > one is to mark ambassadors, who don't work, inactive. > > After this, i don't know if my English is so worst as it seems to > be, i > not say that people who don't follow irc meetings would be marked > inactive. > > For the title question i think it's the best way to prize working > ambassadors (but we can discuss lately, first of all focus your > attention on inactive/active proposal). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Jim Nanney ha scritto: >> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> After the period of inactivity he will became emeritus >>> ambassador. That >>> would be a possible solution. >> >>> Francesco Ugolini >> >>> susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: >>>>> We can support ambassador giving them materials to promote >>>>> fedora but we >>>>> can't absolutely became a gadget shop, people will join th >>>>> project to >>>>> receive the gadgets and probably after this they will do nothing. >>>>> >>>>> We have just a Recognition Award that prize ambassadors who >>>>> work hard. >>>> Fine..then why another title *honored ambassador* ? >>>> Think of a student who works for fedora ,eventually become an >>>> honored >>>> ambassador for great job, then join an IT company..When he can >>>> afford >>>> no more time for fedora... >>>> become completely inactive..what do you propose in this situation ? >>>> >>>> >> >> Why not do like the Free Media Contributors section. List Active >> Ambassadors and Inactive Ambassadors. In this way, no one is "kicked >> out" for inactivity. >> >> It is reasonable to assume that everyone who has joined the >> Ambassadors >> program has done so because of wanting to contribute. So it is also >> reasonable to assume they have in whatever way the particular person >> could whether or not it was actually reported back. >> >> Moving the names to an Inactive list, but not removing the names is >> motivation enough to want to stay active. If not, it still does not >> give the previous (yet now inactive) contributor a "kicked out" >> feeling. >> >> New titles should be another large discussion. What would merit >> receiving the new title? Who judges what is worthy of that >> title? To >> me this can lead to animosity as well. >> >> I propose no new titles, and also not removing Ambassadors. The >> community is stronger by more communication, but new titles, and >> kicking >> out inactive Ambassadors seems to be the wrong way to achieve this. >> >> As for me, I should be on the inactive list, because I have not >> attended >> the IRC meetings, posted on this list, or reported on what I have >> done >> to promote Fedora. >> >> I think the Steering Committee should weigh heavily the downfall that >> could occur by removing Inactive (most likely previously active) >> Ambassadors, and the animosity that can be created by segregating >> Ambassadors in levels requiring differing titles. >> >> --Jim > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 18:25:07 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:25:07 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> Message-ID: <46129C03.7020903@fedoraproject.org> After this discussion i think we can write a draft of the proposal, as you will see i will talk about inactive/active status, for the other proposals we have a lot of time to discuss (i think we can dalay those after F7 will be released). ----- The Ambassadors who will stay inactive* for a year will be marked Inactive in their personal wiki page and in the Ambassadors list. *(People that don't follow anything of this possible activities: Be a speaker at an event, Collect feedback from community members,Promote Fedora events, Distribute Press Releases to local press, Support and Coordinate offline Fedora and Open Source activities, Participate in weekly meetings, Follow Ambassadors Mailing lists etc... (if you have more please tell me).) ------------ Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From jnanney at mscoast.com Tue Apr 3 18:40:08 2007 From: jnanney at mscoast.com (Jim Nanney) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:40:08 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Ugolini wrote: > A LITTLE ADVICE (not referred to this post): i know I've written a lot > of posts, but please, first to reply to a mail, please read all messages > written by me (or the first 5 with this topic), because it's unpractical > to write the same things a lot of time. > > Yes, in fact, the kick-off is the second part of my proposal, the first > one is to mark ambassadors, who don't work, inactive. > > After this, i don't know if my English is so worst as it seems to be, i > not say that people who don't follow irc meetings would be marked inactive. > > For the title question i think it's the best way to prize working > ambassadors (but we can discuss lately, first of all focus your > attention on inactive/active proposal). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > I apologize on having missed some in your original proposal to the list. I've read them all, but missed part of the original. I agree with marking Active vs Inactive. However I strongly disagree with removing after your proposed 6 months on the inactive list. I believe the problem needs better definition before we can find a good solution. I believe the titles are a separate and completely disenchanting idea, and it appears we should focus on this later. So as a group we should focus on the Active/Inactive. First let's define the problem and it's scope. Defining the Problem - -------------------- The problem as related to your original email is too many Ambassadors who are not corresponding their efforts through the Mailing List or IRC Meetings, or in Real Life. How does the problem translate to the real world? If a potential Fedora User were to contact an inactive Ambassador and get no response, he/she could possibly shy away from Fedora. So there is harm in having non-responsive Ambassadors. Does Inactive == Non-responsive? Possibly. Defining Active - --------------- 1. Obviously, communication is key. So people communicating should be considered as active. So attending IRC or even posting on the M/L is considered as active. 2. People promoting Fedora in the role of an Ambassador should be considered active. This is the gray area that needs definition. For me, I would consider my work with the Freemedia project to count me as active. I would also consider the work I do in promoting Fedora at my LUG to count as well. These are examples of things I would consider Active. Defining Inactive - ----------------- This cannot be just the inverse of active, because activity in promoting Fedora in any way, even one not listed, would have to be considered active. My best guess on Inactive is - Anyone who has not promoted Fedora within the previous year. Better defining this would greatly help. Defining the Scope - ------------------ Just how many Ambassadors are in the Inactive Category? This will tell how big of a problem it really is. So how do you quantify how many Inactive Ambassadors there are? We would need a built in measurement of this. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If this has been discussed previously, forgive me, and throw this in the junk folder. :) - --Jim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGEp+I3GRPSy3vDJMRAobvAKDZI+VDJ31BWXSvQ4lrlMhgudgTWACeO18g 87Tshj5VRNRDK+60Md3ymCU= =Q8Ot -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 18:45:27 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> Message-ID: +1 On 4/3/07, Jim Nanney wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > A LITTLE ADVICE (not referred to this post): i know I've written a lot > > of posts, but please, first to reply to a mail, please read all messages > > written by me (or the first 5 with this topic), because it's unpractical > > to write the same things a lot of time. > > > > Yes, in fact, the kick-off is the second part of my proposal, the first > > one is to mark ambassadors, who don't work, inactive. > > > > After this, i don't know if my English is so worst as it seems to be, i > > not say that people who don't follow irc meetings would be marked inactive. > > > > For the title question i think it's the best way to prize working > > ambassadors (but we can discuss lately, first of all focus your > > attention on inactive/active proposal). > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > I apologize on having missed some in your original proposal to the list. > I've read them all, but missed part of the original. > > I agree with marking Active vs Inactive. However I strongly disagree > with removing after your proposed 6 months on the inactive list. > > I believe the problem needs better definition before we can find a good > solution. > > I believe the titles are a separate and completely disenchanting idea, > and it appears we should focus on this later. > > So as a group we should focus on the Active/Inactive. First let's > define the problem and it's scope. > > Defining the Problem > - -------------------- > > The problem as related to your original email is too many Ambassadors > who are not corresponding their efforts through the Mailing List or IRC > Meetings, or in Real Life. > > How does the problem translate to the real world? If a potential Fedora > User were to contact an inactive Ambassador and get no response, he/she > could possibly shy away from Fedora. So there is harm in having > non-responsive Ambassadors. Does Inactive == Non-responsive? Possibly. > > Defining Active > - --------------- > > 1. Obviously, communication is key. So people communicating should be > considered as active. So attending IRC or even posting on the M/L is > considered as active. > > 2. People promoting Fedora in the role of an Ambassador should be > considered active. This is the gray area that needs definition. > > For me, I would consider my work with the Freemedia project to count me > as active. I would also consider the work I do in promoting Fedora at > my LUG to count as well. These are examples of things I would consider > Active. > > Defining Inactive > - ----------------- > > This cannot be just the inverse of active, because activity in promoting > Fedora in any way, even one not listed, would have to be considered active. > > My best guess on Inactive is - Anyone who has not promoted Fedora within > the previous year. Better defining this would greatly help. > > Defining the Scope > - ------------------ > > Just how many Ambassadors are in the Inactive Category? This will tell > how big of a problem it really is. So how do you quantify how many > Inactive Ambassadors there are? We would need a built in measurement of > this. > > - > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If this has been discussed previously, forgive me, and throw this in the > junk folder. :) > > - --Jim > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGEp+I3GRPSy3vDJMRAobvAKDZI+VDJ31BWXSvQ4lrlMhgudgTWACeO18g > 87Tshj5VRNRDK+60Md3ymCU= > =Q8Ot > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 18:46:14 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:46:14 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> Message-ID: <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. For the rest we can work to solve those issues. Thank your for your ideas and observations. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jim Nanney ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> A LITTLE ADVICE (not referred to this post): i know I've written a lot >> of posts, but please, first to reply to a mail, please read all messages >> written by me (or the first 5 with this topic), because it's unpractical >> to write the same things a lot of time. > >> Yes, in fact, the kick-off is the second part of my proposal, the first >> one is to mark ambassadors, who don't work, inactive. > >> After this, i don't know if my English is so worst as it seems to be, i >> not say that people who don't follow irc meetings would be marked inactive. > >> For the title question i think it's the best way to prize working >> ambassadors (but we can discuss lately, first of all focus your >> attention on inactive/active proposal). > >> Regards > >> Francesco Ugolini > > > I apologize on having missed some in your original proposal to the list. > I've read them all, but missed part of the original. > > I agree with marking Active vs Inactive. However I strongly disagree > with removing after your proposed 6 months on the inactive list. > > I believe the problem needs better definition before we can find a good > solution. > > I believe the titles are a separate and completely disenchanting idea, > and it appears we should focus on this later. > > So as a group we should focus on the Active/Inactive. First let's > define the problem and it's scope. > > Defining the Problem > -------------------- > > The problem as related to your original email is too many Ambassadors > who are not corresponding their efforts through the Mailing List or IRC > Meetings, or in Real Life. > > How does the problem translate to the real world? If a potential Fedora > User were to contact an inactive Ambassador and get no response, he/she > could possibly shy away from Fedora. So there is harm in having > non-responsive Ambassadors. Does Inactive == Non-responsive? Possibly. > > Defining Active > --------------- > > 1. Obviously, communication is key. So people communicating should be > considered as active. So attending IRC or even posting on the M/L is > considered as active. > > 2. People promoting Fedora in the role of an Ambassador should be > considered active. This is the gray area that needs definition. > > For me, I would consider my work with the Freemedia project to count me > as active. I would also consider the work I do in promoting Fedora at > my LUG to count as well. These are examples of things I would consider > Active. > > Defining Inactive > ----------------- > > This cannot be just the inverse of active, because activity in promoting > Fedora in any way, even one not listed, would have to be considered active. > > My best guess on Inactive is - Anyone who has not promoted Fedora within > the previous year. Better defining this would greatly help. > > Defining the Scope > ------------------ > > Just how many Ambassadors are in the Inactive Category? This will tell > how big of a problem it really is. So how do you quantify how many > Inactive Ambassadors there are? We would need a built in measurement of > this. > > - > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If this has been discussed previously, forgive me, and throw this in the > junk folder. :) > > --Jim > > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 19:51:04 2007 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:51:04 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <46127D30.3020902@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <46127D30.3020902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175629864.25785.12.camel@lincoln> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 18:13 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Have you another solution ? Why not look into why people are not active in Ambassadors? Maybe IRC meetings doesn't work for people. If so, look into other solutions that work, be that using the mailing-list or something else. To kick people out of the Ambassadors is *not* the way to build a community. /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Honored Ambassador and then if they become inactive they move to an emeritus ambassador? When will it stop? This division of ambassadors will just drive more people away from the project as it becomes more cliquish with varying levels of ambassador. The current Ambassador Awards program works great. Fellow ambassadors can acknowledge the hard working ambassadors and allow them some recognition. It doesn't require rules changing when current active ambassadors move on to other things. It is nice and simple and allows ambassadors (and FAMSCO) time to focus on what's important - getting Fedora represented as broadly as possible. --Jeffrey From linux at elfshadow.net Tue Apr 3 21:56:22 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to > do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another > ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much more harm than any good it can bring us. Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? --Jeffrey From caseyjones at runbox.com Wed Apr 4 00:58:22 2007 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: Jeffrey made some really good points. When I first joined this group, what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire team. Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming. That positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of Fedora in my line of work. I work with lots of very talented I.T. professionals who are very linux-savvy. Many of them wouldn't have given any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and Slackware fans. But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools. We are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs into our processes at work as well. I wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions. True, I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 downloads worldwide, this group's success stories are not new news anymore. That is a tribute to this incredible operating system and this team. And, I would rather let the group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success stories. But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive." I would have no problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive." But, please allow folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run. My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community. If a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for long due to their busy schedules. I think the intentions of this discussion are very good. I just don't agree exactly with the proposed solution. Casey ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 From: Jeffrey Tadlock To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to > > do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another > > ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. > > An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at > work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events > near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. > > Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to > declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive > because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* > short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? > > As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the > project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been > convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much > more harm than any good it can bring us. > > Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? > > --Jeffrey > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > ----- End Original Message ----- From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 04:56:59 2007 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:26:59 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event: BarCampbangalore Report Message-ID: <200704041026.59879.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, This weekend I went to barcampbangalore3 (http://dgplug.org/intro/tutorials). People from different trends came there, though the number of FOSS people was not so bad. Me personally, started looking for people with Fedora on their laptops. Talked with them, about the current progress of Fedora. Most of them never new about different SIG(s). People were really pleased with the effort of the GAME SIG (that was thing I demonstrated most ). Xmoto & OpenArena simply rocked there. Also met with a new social network site team, http://mymuv.com . I am very pleased to tell you that they are using RoR on Fedora Core 6 servers :) I asked them for the details about those servers. You can find some pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/kushaldas/sets/72157600042276013/ Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in From rwhetsel at ravensong.com Wed Apr 4 06:12:53 2007 From: rwhetsel at ravensong.com (Robert Whetsel) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:12:53 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1175667173.461341e51960f@mail.ravensong.com> Sorry Thomas I had to step in and make a statement. 160s email on a things that takes you away from your goals is not a positive use of time. This is why, I stop going to the meetings, this is why I gave up my Global Ambassadors' title. By your definition I am inactive, however last month I gave 2 Linux Install Fests (Fedora being one of the three used) for two colleges and use Fedora in the operating system class for the College. But, I no longer speak as an Ambassador. Spend more time on getting the word out about Linux and quite wasting time on trivial issues. Like debating over who should be a member of the new secret cool special Ambassadors' club or active/inactive Ambassadors. The rest of this stuff outside of sharing Fedora is just noise. REMBER: What are the roles and goal of an Ambassador? I'll issue this as a goal and challange: You have 150 ambassadors (active/inactive); I challenge you to get a 150 new users in April. I'll even lend a hand, I have 7 from my class and 12 from the first Install Fest. -- Cheers, Robert C. Whetsel ?No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.? Quoting Gerold Kassube : > Hi, > > all concerns, all ideas, all impressions sounds really good; ... > > the only thing, I personally miss is: > > What's the primary goal to have "honored Ambassadors"? > What's their goals? > What's the difference between Ambasadors, "recognition awarded > Ambassadors" and "honored Ambassadors"? > > I totally agree with you that we have to figure out which Ambassadors > will be active and which one will be passive or no longer active; but I > don't really understand your intention in another addional "Awarding", > "Announcing" or however you'll call this ... > > maybe we have to find another "solution" how to find out, who's still > active and how he's active or no more active. > On the other hand we have urgendtly to find out WHY this person is no > more active as Ambassador; do we have here an issue as projects or are > these personal, subjective issues which let this Ambassadors be > in-active ... > > Questions over questions .... > maybe also the one or other idea or issue to think addional :-) > > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Sonntag, den 01.04.2007, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: > > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > > this condition. > > > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > > will be permanent ambassadors. > > > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > Gerold Kassube > -Vorstandsvorsitzender- > > Linux Usergroup L??rrach e.V. > Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 > 79539 L??rrach > _ > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > - against HTML email X > & vCards / \ > > From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 06:42:21 2007 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:12:21 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175667173.461341e51960f@mail.ravensong.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <1175667173.461341e51960f@mail.ravensong.com> Message-ID: <200704041212.21986.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 04 April 2007 11:42:53 Robert Whetsel wrote: > Sorry Thomas I had to step in and make a statement. > > 160s email on a things that takes you away from your goals is not a > positive use > of time. This is why, I stop going to the meetings, this is why I gave up > my Global Ambassadors' title. By your definition I am inactive, however > last month I gave 2 Linux Install Fests (Fedora being one of the three > used) for two colleges and use Fedora in the operating system class for the > College. But, I no > longer speak as an Ambassador. Spend more time on getting the word out > about Linux and quite wasting time on trivial issues. Like debating over > who should be > a member of the new secret cool special Ambassadors' club or > active/inactive Ambassadors. The rest of this stuff outside of sharing > Fedora is just noise. > > REMBER: What are the roles and goal of an Ambassador? > > I'll issue this as a goal and challange: > You have 150 ambassadors (active/inactive); I challenge you to get a 150 > new users in April. I'll even lend a hand, I have 7 from my class and 12 > from the first Install Fest. I am in :) Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 3 12:17:28 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:17:28 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <461105CE.50902@elfshadow.net> <461111C3.8000300@kanarip.com> <46112B91.3010608@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704020933w7d58c198wa14f074a71d9061@mail.gmail.com> <1175537717.3627.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46115394.8040004@fedoraproject.org> <2b26c4260704021234h6b6cd1e7h77d61ea6d735d8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461245D8.5080700@fedoraproject.org> We cover all the requests you ask to FAmSCo, the problem is that it's necessary time to complete all of them, and many time people ask for materials a week or two before. You can understand that is impossible to approve, produce and send in this time. We aren't magician, we are people like you, who love this project and every day work hard to improve the community, but to do this we need you help. Remember: we are a community Francesco Ugolini Wilmer Jaramillo M. ha scritto: > On 4/2/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> This is true, and you can organize local meeting, but we have to >> remember we are a global community and we have to work ALL TOGETHER. If >> you want to held Latinoamerican meeting do this, but first of all there >> is global meeting, where all ambassador work to organize the events, >> activities and propose new ideas to improve the community. > > You how believe possible to control who works and who does not do it?, > each contribution by very small that is invaluable. > > I believe that instead of propose to create a control and bureaucracy, > consider that who really work, they must have unconditional help from > famsco, and who help little must also receive incentives. Instead of > criticizing who should to be excluded from the _select_ group of > Ambassadors, must consider strategies globally by cover the requests > of them. > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 11:11:11 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:11:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175629864.25785.12.camel@lincoln> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <46127D30.3020902@fedoraproject.org> <1175629864.25785.12.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: <461387CF.6050000@fedoraproject.org> We have a lot of other communication tools: Mailing Lists Telephone Ekiga and Skype Real Meeting (at event and ambassadors only events, like FAD) Those are the actual tools, if you have new one, please tell us. Regards Francesco Ugolini Brian Pepple ha scritto: > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 18:13 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> Have you another solution ? > > Why not look into why people are not active in Ambassadors? Maybe IRC > meetings doesn't work for people. If so, look into other solutions that > work, be that using the mailing-list or something else. To kick people > out of the Ambassadors is *not* the way to build a community. > > /B > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 11:12:25 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:12:25 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4612C845.7020702@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <4612C845.7020702@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <46138819.3030809@fedoraproject.org> We have suspended the discussion of Honored Ambassadors, read the last 4 mails. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jeffrey Tadlock ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> After the period of inactivity he will became emeritus ambassador. That >> would be a possible solution. > > So now we have two more levels of ambassadors? Honored Ambassador and > then if they become inactive they move to an emeritus ambassador? When > will it stop? This division of ambassadors will just drive more people > away from the project as it becomes more cliquish with varying levels of > ambassador. > > The current Ambassador Awards program works great. Fellow ambassadors > can acknowledge the hard working ambassadors and allow them some > recognition. It doesn't require rules changing when current active > ambassadors move on to other things. It is nice and simple and allows > ambassadors (and FAMSCO) time to focus on what's important - getting > Fedora represented as broadly as possible. > > --Jeffrey > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 11:15:06 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:15:06 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <461388BA.7020605@fedoraproject.org> Communication is the only tool to understand if what we do is the better way of we are using a bad way. If a programmer make a modify to the source code and not report this, how the other people can understand this? It seems stupid but reports are the only way we have to work together, if no, people would do what they want without any rules, and, at the end, the project won't have any sense. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jeffrey Tadlock ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to >> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another >> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. > > An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at > work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events > near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. > > Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to > declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive > because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* > short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? > > As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the > project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been > convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much > more harm than any good it can bring us. > > Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? > > --Jeffrey > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 11:20:29 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't be an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others. A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first requisite for a community to follow this simple rule. But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer: reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists, telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be different, we won't be a community. Regards Francesco Ugolini Casey Jones ha scritto: > Jeffrey made some really good points. When I first joined this group, what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire team. Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming. That positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of Fedora in my line of work. I work with lots of very talented I.T. professionals who are very linux-savvy. Many of them wouldn't have given any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and Slackware fans. But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools. We are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs into our processes at work as well. I wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions. True, I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 downloads worldwide, this group's success s > tories are not new news anymore. That is a tribute to this incredible operating system and this team. And, I would rather let the group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success stories. > > But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive." I would have no problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive." But, please allow folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run. > > My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community. If a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for long due to their busy schedules. > > I think the intentions of this discussion are very good. I just don't agree exactly with the proposed solution. > > Casey > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 > From: Jeffrey Tadlock > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > >> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to >>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another >>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. >> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at >> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events >> near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. >> >> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to >> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive >> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* >> short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? >> >> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the >> project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been >> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much >> more harm than any good it can bring us. >> >> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? >> >> --Jeffrey >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 11:25:50 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:25:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175667173.461341e51960f@mail.ravensong.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175505371.11326.6.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <1175667173.461341e51960f@mail.ravensong.com> Message-ID: <46138B3E.9020907@fedoraproject.org> Have you a solution to make inactive ambassadors work? If we do some counts, you will see that at minimum 50 ambassadors aren't doing anything, I'm not talking about people that don't report (a necessary thing, in my opinion) I'm talking people who signed the CLA add themselves in the AccountSystem and then forget that they are enrolled here (I don't know if it's an intentional or unintentional thing). Regards Francesco Ugolini Robert Whetsel ha scritto: > Sorry Thomas I had to step in and make a statement. > > 160s email on a things that takes you away from your goals is not a positive > use > of time. This is why, I stop going to the meetings, this is why I gave up my > Global Ambassadors' title. By your definition I am inactive, however last month > I gave 2 Linux Install Fests (Fedora being one of the three used) for two > colleges and use Fedora in the operating system class for the College. But, I > no > longer speak as an Ambassador. Spend more time on getting the word out about > Linux and quite wasting time on trivial issues. Like debating over who should > be > a member of the new secret cool special Ambassadors' club or active/inactive > Ambassadors. The rest of this stuff outside of sharing Fedora is just noise. > > REMBER: What are the roles and goal of an Ambassador? > > I'll issue this as a goal and challange: > You have 150 ambassadors (active/inactive); I challenge you to get a 150 new > users in April. I'll even lend a hand, I have 7 from my class and 12 from the > first Install Fest. > > -- > Cheers, > > Robert C. Whetsel > > > ?No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.? > > > Quoting Gerold Kassube : > >> Hi, >> >> all concerns, all ideas, all impressions sounds really good; ... >> >> the only thing, I personally miss is: >> >> What's the primary goal to have "honored Ambassadors"? >> What's their goals? >> What's the difference between Ambasadors, "recognition awarded >> Ambassadors" and "honored Ambassadors"? >> >> I totally agree with you that we have to figure out which Ambassadors >> will be active and which one will be passive or no longer active; but I >> don't really understand your intention in another addional "Awarding", >> "Announcing" or however you'll call this ... >> >> maybe we have to find another "solution" how to find out, who's still >> active and how he's active or no more active. >> On the other hand we have urgendtly to find out WHY this person is no >> more active as Ambassador; do we have here an issue as projects or are >> these personal, subjective issues which let this Ambassadors be >> in-active ... >> >> Questions over questions .... >> maybe also the one or other idea or issue to think addional :-) >> >> Regards >> >> Gerold >> >> >> Am Sonntag, den 01.04.2007, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: >>> I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve >>> this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and >>> virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). >>> >>> I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: >>> >>> - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in >>> both personal and global ambassadors pages). >>> >>> - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive >>> he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. >>> >>> At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of >>> this condition. >>> >>> The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both >>> are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. >>> Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. >>> >>> - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors >>> from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. >>> >>> - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors >>> will be permanent ambassadors. >>> >>> This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Francesco Ugolini >> -- >> Gerold Kassube >> -Vorstandsvorsitzender- >> >> Linux Usergroup L??rrach e.V. >> Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 >> 79539 L??rrach >> _ >> ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) >> - against HTML email X >> & vCards / \ >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From caseyjones at runbox.com Wed Apr 4 13:49:50 2007 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Hi Francesco, I definitely agree with what you are saying and the overall philosophy of having a defined community. I just didn't agree that threatening ambassadors with account suspensions is the way to go. I just feel if we can remain positive and encouraging, we'll get a lot more members who will be willing to stay active within the community. I think the point has definitely reached many of us more silent members. I will definitely contribute more to the discussions and share success stories when I can. Thanks! Casey ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200 From: Francesco Ugolini To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay > together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't be > an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others. > > A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first > requisite for a community to follow this simple rule. > > But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer: > reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists, > telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be > different, we won't be a community. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Casey Jones ha scritto: > > Jeffrey made some really good points. When I first joined this group, what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire team. Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming. That positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of Fedora in my line of work. I work with lots of very talented I.T. professionals who are very linux-savvy. Many of them wouldn't have given any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and Slackware fans. But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools. We are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs into our processes at work as well. I wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions. True, I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 downloads worldwide, this group's success > s > > tories are not new news anymore. That is a tribute to this incredible operating system and this team. And, I would rather let the group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success stories. > > > > But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive." I would have no problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive." But, please allow folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run. > > > > My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community. If a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for long due to their busy schedules. > > > > I think the intentions of this discussion are very good. I just don't agree exactly with the proposed solution. > > > > Casey > > > > > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 > > From: Jeffrey Tadlock > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > > > >> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to > >>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another > >>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. > >> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at > >> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events > >> near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. > >> > >> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to > >> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive > >> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* > >> short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? > >> > >> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the > >> project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been > >> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much > >> more harm than any good it can bring us. > >> > >> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? > >> > >> --Jeffrey > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > ----- End Original Message ----- From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 15:13:08 2007 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:13:08 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461387CF.6050000@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <46127D30.3020902@fedoraproject.org> <1175629864.25785.12.camel@lincoln> <461387CF.6050000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175699588.5893.8.camel@lincoln> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 13:11 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > We have a lot of other communication tools: > > Mailing Lists > Telephone > Ekiga and Skype > Real Meeting (at event and ambassadors only events, like FAD) > > Those are the actual tools, if you have new one, please tell us. I'm well aware of the tools available since we use several of them in FESCo, but as I said in my previous e-mail, why not investigate why people are not active in Ambassadors before looking at kicking people out? Like Jeffrey, I would really like to hear what the rest of FAMSCO stands on this. /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 15:25:06 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:25:06 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> Yes, in the final draft I've made I'm talking only about marking inactive ambassadors who don't do anything, it doesn't change the AccountSystem membership, it will be only a tool to remember an Ambassador that is in the project. Regards Francesco Ugolini Casey Jones ha scritto: > Hi Francesco, > > I definitely agree with what you are saying and the overall philosophy of having a defined community. I just didn't agree that threatening ambassadors with account suspensions is the way to go. I just feel if we can remain positive and encouraging, we'll get a lot more members who will be willing to stay active within the community. > > I think the point has definitely reached many of us more silent members. I will definitely contribute more to the discussions and share success stories when I can. > > Thanks! > > Casey > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200 > From: Francesco Ugolini > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > >> I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay >> together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't be >> an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others. >> >> A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first >> requisite for a community to follow this simple rule. >> >> But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer: >> reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists, >> telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be >> different, we won't be a community. >> >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> Casey Jones ha scritto: >>> Jeffrey made some really good points. When I first joined this group, what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire team. Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming. That positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of Fedora in my line of work. I work with lots of very talented I.T. professionals who are very linux-savvy. Many of them wouldn't have given any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and Slackware fans. But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools. We are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs into our processes at work as well. I wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions. True, I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 downloads worldwide, this group's succe > ss >> s >>> tories are not new news anymore. That is a tribute to this incredible operating system and this team. And, I would rather let the group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success stories. >>> >>> But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive." I would have no problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive." But, please allow folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run. >>> >>> My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community. If a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for long due to their busy schedules. >>> >>> I think the intentions of this discussion are very good. I just don't agree exactly with the proposed solution. >>> >>> Casey >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Start Original Message ----- >>> Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 >>> From: Jeffrey Tadlock >>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors >>> >>>> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>>>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to >>>>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another >>>>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. >>>> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at >>>> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events >>>> near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. >>>> >>>> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to >>>> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive >>>> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* >>>> short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? >>>> >>>> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the >>>> project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been >>>> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much >>>> more harm than any good it can bring us. >>>> >>>> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? >>>> >>>> --Jeffrey >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>> >>> ----- End Original Message ----- >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >> -- >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Wed Apr 4 17:24:40 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armelk) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:24:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora French Ambassadors Weekly Minutes [2007-04-01] Message-ID: <57504.192.168.0.6.1175707480.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Good morning Fedora Ambassadors Team, The french Ambassador team has the great pleasure to share with you the weekly minutes meeting. The goal for us is to give you each week a visibility of our actions. You can find at this adress the full report in French and Enlish : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions/07-04-01 Best regards. French Ambassador Team ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ambassadors llaumgui : GuillaumeKulakowski Pingoomax : MaximeCarron Armelk : ArmelKermorvant DrPixel : ChristophePolyte TitaX : ThierryDelmonte trashy : JohanCwiklinski littlecharly : CharlesVinchon [splinux] : DamienDurand William_H : WilliamHoffmann RemiFedora : Remi Collet SmootherFrOgZ : XavierLamien serenity : BenoitMarcelin Community member Summary 1) Fedora-fr organisation We received papers from the "prefecture", but because of an error we must re-submit them. llaumgui and MrTom signed all documents and posted them end of this week. Trashy and MrTom had an appointment togheter about the Fedora-fr organisation. Discussion for the members of honors or benefactors (APRIL, an OEM, Director of RedHat France, Ikoula), we will make the request on the mail list of association for a "collegial" validation. 2) Fedora T-shirts Armelk converted the svg file to EPS format and sended to TiTax. Titax transmits them to the T-Shirt manufacturer. The shop is still in construction, we will update some articles on it. 3) Fedora-fr.org The both responsible about the 1st April joke are TiTax for the logo and llaumgui to put on line the joke (very funny think and lof of french peoples the people believed it) . Some bugs were fixed. We put in place on the Wiki section a page about platforms manufacturers, Desktops and Notebooks systems (Acer, Asus, Dell, Nec...) as well as the components hardware (mother charts, video charts, wifi...), you find it at this adress : http://doc.fedora-fr.org/Compatibilit%C3%A9_Mat%C3%A9rielle The idea to have a form so that the users of Fedora can put their hardware compoments of the configuration at it in order to have a base of data for compatibility. Question of drpixel, concerning the proximity of the ambassadors in France, Belgium... (to refer at this address: http://www.fedora-fr.org/frappr) and of the events (http://calendrier.fedora-fr.org or http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents) Return of the discussion of a French newsletter or to translate Fedora News Letter from Thomas Chung with an addition of Fedora-Fr informations (Informations of new installation guide, the recurring issue, the events of Fedora will be present...). The subject continues on the mail list. 4) Fedora & local events * Fedora at Nantes (44) May 12th, 2007 (Armelk) * More news this week. * Fedora at Maubeuge (59) June 02nd and 03rd, 2007 (trashy) * No more news. * Fedora ay Montpellier(34) from June, 14th to June 16th , 2007 (llaumgui) * llaumgui and sereinity will be present for this event. * Their prepare some slides about Fedora and in parallel their prepare a demo for a group of 15 to 20 peoples. Armelk will post to Trashy and llaumgui 2 posters A1 format for the local event (Fedora Logo and the same logo as on the T-shirts) 5) Fedora Project Trashy works on new Extras packets submission. Armelk and Trashy will start to work on a presentation of Fedora 7 before the release so that we are ready for the next events around Fedora 7. No more news about translation because MrTom is not present, we will have more informations next week. 6) FreeMedia Program No new request for Belgium and no new request for France. 7) Open discussions Parinux & Fedora make a new appointment for Fedora 7 release, we decided to go for a new Install Party in Paris in the city of sciences, MrTom comes back to us with a final date. Fedora will be present during the RMLL (Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre / World Meetings of the Free Software), Armelk will post a message on the maillist about who are present during this event, if he are more positive answer he contact the organizers to know the methods in order to Fedora is present. Install Party of Lyon, sereinity search always a room for this events. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 18:16:02 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:46:02 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora French Ambassadors Weekly Minutes [2007-04-01] In-Reply-To: <57504.192.168.0.6.1175707480.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> References: <57504.192.168.0.6.1175707480.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4613EB62.3010805@fedoraproject.org> Armelk wrote: > We put in place on the Wiki section a page about platforms manufacturers, > Desktops and Notebooks systems (Acer, Asus, Dell, Nec...) as well as the > components hardware (mother charts, video charts, wifi...), you find it at > this adress : http://doc.fedora-fr.org/Compatibilit%C3%A9_Mat%C3%A9rielle > The idea to have a form so that the users of Fedora can put their hardware > compoments of the configuration at it in order to have a base of data for > compatibility. I would suggest not trying to work on a wiki to collect this data especially on a regional website. This is extremely hard to maintain manually. We have two related projects to do it in a more automated fashion. Smolt which collects just hardware information LHCP which aims to provide compatibility information. https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP It would much more efficient to work with LHCP and help them out in packaging etc. > Trashy works on new Extras packets submission. Since you have a relatively community working on packaging it would be useful to have a regular mentoring session where you can invite enthusiastic people and introduce them to packaging and related processes in Fedora. > Armelk and Trashy will start to work on a presentation of Fedora 7 before > the release so that we are ready for the next events around Fedora 7. Can you make sure this is translated into English too? > 6) FreeMedia Program > > No new request for Belgium and no new request for France. We haven't been advertising the presence of Free media much since the number of requests we can serve is low. How many requests can we be fulfilling every month in these regions? Rahul From lxtnow at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 18:25:10 2007 From: lxtnow at gmail.com (SmootherFrOgZ) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <62bc09df0704041125n411e9b07l3630c0f720f9648@mail.gmail.com> 2007/4/4, Francesco Ugolini : > > Yes, in the final draft I've made I'm talking only about marking > inactive ambassadors who don't do anything, it doesn't change the > AccountSystem membership, it will be only a tool to remember an > Ambassador that is in the project. ..and maybe a link to unregister if the ambassador doesn't do anything and will. Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Casey Jones ha scritto: > > Hi Francesco, > > > > I definitely agree with what you are saying and the overall philosophy > of having a defined community. I just didn't agree that threatening > ambassadors with account suspensions is the way to go. I just feel if we > can remain positive and encouraging, we'll get a lot more members who will > be willing to stay active within the community. > > > > I think the point has definitely reached many of us more silent > members. I will definitely contribute more to the discussions and share > success stories when I can. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Casey > > > > > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200 > > From: Francesco Ugolini > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > > > >> I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay > >> together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't > be > >> an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others. > >> > >> A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first > >> requisite for a community to follow this simple rule. > >> > >> But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer: > >> reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists, > >> telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be > >> different, we won't be a community. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Francesco Ugolini > >> > >> Casey Jones ha scritto: > >>> Jeffrey made some really good points. When I first joined this group, > what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire > team. Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming. That > positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of > Fedora in my line of work. I work with lots of very talented I.T. > professionals who are very linux-savvy. Many of them wouldn't have given > any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and > Slackware fans. But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora > and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools. We > are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs into our processes at work as well. I > wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just > allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions. True, > I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 > downloads worldwide, this group's succe > > > ss > >> s > >>> tories are not new news anymore. That is a tribute to this > incredible operating system and this team. And, I would rather let the > group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success > stories. > >>> > >>> But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the > inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive." I would have no > problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive." But, please allow > folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering > information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run. > >>> > >>> My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much > that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the > whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community. If > a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules > the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because > they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for > long due to their busy schedules. > >>> > >>> I think the intentions of this discussion are very good. I just don't > agree exactly with the proposed solution. > >>> > >>> Casey > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Start Original Message ----- > >>> Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 > >>> From: Jeffrey Tadlock > >>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > >>> > >>>> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >>>>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not > important to > >>>>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to > another > >>>>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. > >>>> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be > at > >>>> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source > events > >>>> near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But > to > >>>> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others > inactive > >>>> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* > >>>> short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? > >>>> > >>>> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the > >>>> project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been > >>>> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause > much > >>>> more harm than any good it can bring us. > >>>> > >>>> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? > >>>> > >>>> --Jeffrey > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>>> > >>> ----- End Original Message ----- > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > >> -- > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Xavier.t Lamien -- French Fedora Ambassador Fedora Extras Contributor GPG-Key ID: F3903DEB Fingerprint: 0F2A 7A17 0F1B 82EE FCBF 1F51 76B7 A28D F390 3DEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your attention Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 18:35:07 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:35:07 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC Message-ID: <4613EFDB.9070604@fedoraproject.org> I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be a meeting at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. Http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-03-22 to see the agenda or to add new topics to this one. We also have a voting over the draft proposal regarding Active/Inactive Ambassadors. Thanks for your attention Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 20:09:39 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:09:39 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ugolini: On 4/4/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be a meeting > at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) Http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 to see the > agenda or to add new topics to this one. > > We also have a voting over the draft proposal regarding Active/Inactive > Ambassadors. > > Thanks for your attention > > Francesco Ugolini Thanks -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Wed Apr 4 21:13:10 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armelk) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:13:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora French Ambassadors Weekly Minutes[2007-04-01] In-Reply-To: <4613EB62.3010805@fedoraproject.org> References: <57504.192.168.0.6.1175707480.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> <4613EB62.3010805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <51302.192.168.0.6.1175721190.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Good Afternoon Rahul > Armelk wrote: > I would suggest not trying to work on a wiki to collect this data > especially on a regional website. This is extremely hard to maintain > manually. We have two related projects to do it in a more automated > fashion. > > Smolt which collects just hardware information > LHCP which aims to provide compatibility information. > > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP > > It would much more efficient to work with LHCP and help them out in > packaging etc. > I agree with you about the hardware compatiblity list in Fedoraproject, but on our list we put some informations for the end user to start the Fedora installation (Example linux acpi=off, linux noprobe, ...) and to finalize it (Example Wifi installation, use the correct screen resolution with i915Resolution Software for Intel chipset, ...). I work for a WW OEM and I have a lot of requests from the presale team about the Fedora compatibility with own hardware plateforms. If you need my support about a special english compatibility hardware page, it's a great pleasure for me to help you on this special project. > Since you have a relatively community working on packaging it would be > useful to have a regular mentoring session where you can invite > enthusiastic people and introduce them to packaging and related > processes in Fedora. I sure the french team is very enthusiactic to start with the packaging team the new relation. We discus this point during the next meeting. > > Can you make sure this is translated into English too? Of course we translate it, we work together on the Fedora Project. >> 6) FreeMedia Program >> > We haven't been advertising the presence of Free media much since the > number of requests we can serve is low. How many requests can we be > fulfilling every month in these regions? The right personn about this point is ThomasCanniot and DamienDurand Thomas, Damien can you answer about this point ? > Rahul Thanks for your questions and I hope my answers are clear for you (My english is not perfect but I progress :-) Have a nice day Armel From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 4 23:13:53 2007 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:13:53 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora French Ambassadors Weekly Minutes[2007-04-01] In-Reply-To: <51302.192.168.0.6.1175721190.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> References: <57504.192.168.0.6.1175707480.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> <4613EB62.3010805@fedoraproject.org> <51302.192.168.0.6.1175721190.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1175728433.3191.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 04 avril 2007 ? 23:13 +0200, Armelk a ?crit : > > Since you have a relatively community working on packaging it would be > > useful to have a regular mentoring session where you can invite > > enthusiastic people and introduce them to packaging and related > > processes in Fedora. > > I sure the french team is very enthusiactic to start with the packaging > team the new relation. We discus this point during the next meeting. Actually, we have some "infrastucture" to do this. There is a special section in our forum which is dedicated to packaging, and also a chan (#fedora-devel-fr) where well known french-speaking packagers help (abombard, ChitleshGorah, Anvil, RemiCollet, ...) There are also some big french HowTo in our wiki. We are currently 4 or 5 new packagers learning a lot from them. New packagers are welcomed of course. Good nigth. -- Maxime Carron Fedora Ambassador Fedora-fr Community Manager - http://www.fedora-fr.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest that activity can also be measured by the ambassador burning and spreading CD's / DVD's with people new to Linux and Fedora. I think the media outreach is a great way to get people actively involved with the community. We could even provide a report that shares what the people thought who tried our CD's we distribute. > > Thanks so much for replying back personnally. We can re-direct this thread back to the main distro list if you'd like. > > Thank you! > > Casey > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:41:49 +0200 > From: Francesco Ugolini > To: Casey Jones > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > >> The Ambassadors who will stay inactive* for a year will be marked >> Inactive in their personal wiki page and in the Ambassadors list. >> >> *(People that don't follow anything of this possible activities: Be a >> speaker at an event, Collect feedback from community members,Promote >> Fedora events, Distribute Press Releases to local press, Support and >> Coordinate offline Fedora and Open Source activities, Participate in >> weekly meetings, Follow Ambassadors Mailing lists etc... (if you have >> more please tell me).) >> >> Casey Jones ha scritto: >>> Okay. That sounds pretty good to me. Is there any way we can get a copy of the draft proposal you have written? >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Casey >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Start Forwarded Message ----- >>> Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:25:06 +0200 >>> From: Francesco Ugolini >>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors >>> >>> Yes, in the final draft I've made I'm talking only about marking >>> inactive ambassadors who don't do anything, it doesn't change the >>> AccountSystem membership, it will be only a tool to remember an >>> Ambassador that is in the project. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Francesco Ugolini >>> >>> Casey Jones ha scritto: >>>> Hi Francesco, >>>> >>>> I definitely agree with what you are saying and the overall philosophy of having a defined community. I just didn't agree that threatening ambassadors with account suspensions is the way to go. I just feel if we can remain positive and encouraging, we'll get a lot more members who will be willing to stay active within the community. >>>> >>>> I think the point has definitely reached many of us more silent members. I will definitely contribute more to the discussions and share success stories when I can. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Casey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Start Original Message ----- >>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200 >>>> From: Francesco Ugolini >>>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors >>>> >>>>> I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay >>>>> together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't be >>>>> an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others. >>>>> >>>>> A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first >>>>> requisite for a community to follow this simple rule. >>>>> >>>>> But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer: >>>>> reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists, >>>>> telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be >>>>> different, we won't be a community. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Francesco Ugolini >>>>> >>>>> Casey Jones ha scritto: >>>>>> Jeffrey made some really good points. When I first joined this group, what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire team. Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming. That positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of Fedora in my line of work. I work with lots of very talented I.T. professionals who are very linux-savvy. Many of them wouldn't have given any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and Slackware fans. But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools. We are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs into our processes at work as well. I wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions. True, I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 downloads worldwide, this group's su cc >> e >>>> ss >>>>> s >>>>>> tories are not new news anymore. That is a tribute to this incredible operating system and this team. And, I would rather let the group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success stories. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive." I would have no problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive." But, please allow folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run. >>>>>> >>>>>> My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community. If a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for long due to their busy schedules. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the intentions of this discussion are very good. I just don't agree exactly with the proposed solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> Casey >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Start Original Message ----- >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 >>>>>> From: Jeffrey Tadlock >>>>>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors >>>>>> >>>>>>> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>>>>>>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to >>>>>>>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another >>>>>>>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports. >>>>>>> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at >>>>>>> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events >>>>>>> near them. Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged. But to >>>>>>> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive >>>>>>> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* >>>>>>> short-sighted. Why do we even want to risk alienating these people? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the >>>>>>> project nothing. Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been >>>>>>> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much >>>>>>> more harm than any good it can bring us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Jeffrey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>>>>> >>>>>> ----- End Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>>> >>>> ----- End Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>> >> -- >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >> > > ----- End Original Message ----- > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini ----- End Forwarded Message ----- From jjacross at mchsi.com Thu Apr 5 00:46:31 2007 From: jjacross at mchsi.com (Jason Cross) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> Hello everyone, I've been somewhat confused by the whole purpose of this discussion of inactive/active ambassadors. It seems that some feel that inactive ambassadors cause problems, although I haven't been able to tell what exactly these problems are and how marking people as inactive will fix these problems. From what I can remember, there is worry of inactive ambassadors not responding to e-mails and of ambassadors not communicating their actions. I can understand that these are valid problems, but I think marking people as inactive and removing them is a very controversial topic considering the number of responses. I think maybe we should all take a few step backs and re-evaluate the problems and look for possible solutions. The concept of a Fedora ambassador seems very broad, and I don't think that it is clear from the page Ambassadors/HowTo that reporting one's actions back to the group is a primary responsibility: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo This page presents an ambassador as a person out among the people, but doesn't touch much on how ambassadors work with other ambassadors. If ambassadors are supposed to report what they're up to, how will this data be used in a meaningful way? Will it just end up in the list archives? Will statistics be generated? Will it be put into some type of database? As it has already been pointed out, I think our efforts should be put into recruiting new ambassadors and increasing the group coordinate/communication. Maybe it is time to do some brain storming again. Jason From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 09:10:55 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:10:55 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> You used the words Coordinations and Communication: how you can do this if you have people that don't follow the project ? We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. Yes, i agree when you say that we have to enlarge our community, what we are doing is to make this possible, improving the quality of our project and make possible to manage, as better as we can, this one. Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. Regards Francesco Ugolini Jason Cross ha scritto: > Hello everyone, > > I've been somewhat confused by the whole purpose of this discussion of > inactive/active ambassadors. It seems that some feel that inactive > ambassadors cause problems, although I haven't been able to tell what > exactly these problems are and how marking people as inactive will fix > these problems. From what I can remember, there is worry of inactive > ambassadors not responding to e-mails and of ambassadors not > communicating their actions. I can understand that these are valid > problems, but I think marking people as inactive and removing them is a > very controversial topic considering the number of responses. I think > maybe we should all take a few step backs and re-evaluate the problems > and look for possible solutions. > > The concept of a Fedora ambassador seems very broad, and I don't think > that it is clear from the page Ambassadors/HowTo that reporting one's > actions back to the group is a primary responsibility: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo > This page presents an ambassador as a person out among the people, but > doesn't touch much on how ambassadors work with other ambassadors. > > If ambassadors are supposed to report what they're up to, how will this > data be used in a meaningful way? Will it just end up in the list > archives? Will statistics be generated? Will it be put into some type > of database? > > As it has already been pointed out, I think our efforts should be put > into recruiting new ambassadors and increasing the group > coordinate/communication. Maybe it is time to do some brain storming again. > > Jason > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Thu Apr 5 09:18:44 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:18:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175764724.5447.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 22:09 +0200, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > On 4/4/07, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: > I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be > a meeting > at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. > > Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due > to confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) is (nearly) the same as UTC (Universal Time Coordinated). So it basically would mean 4pm or 16:00h for you. Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 09:20:11 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:20:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1175764724.5447.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <1175764724.5447.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704050220xe69fee1ubaceab70154afcbf@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/07, Matthias Kranz wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 22:09 +0200, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > On 4/4/07, Francesco Ugolini > > wrote: > > I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be > > a meeting > > at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. > > > > Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due > > to confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) > > GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) is (nearly) the same as UTC (Universal Time > Coordinated). > > So it basically would mean 4pm or 16:00h for you. Ok, Great thanks Cheers, > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Kranz > http://mkr.oerks.de > > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Apr 5 09:25:49 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:25:49 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to > confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) > UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Thu Apr 5 09:39:50 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:39:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175765990.5447.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:10 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > You used the words Coordinations and Communication: how you can do this > if you have people that don't follow the project ? > > We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad > thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally > I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't > respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people > that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. > > If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We > have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. > > Yes, i agree when you say that we have to enlarge our community, what we > are doing is to make this possible, improving the quality of our project > and make possible to manage, as better as we can, this one. > > Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. You still do not answer the question. If today we have 500 ambassadors. 100 of them work actively. And to make _you_ happy they even report what they are doing. Why (and how) does removing the 400 inactive[1] ambassadors improve the Ambassador Project? Cheers, Matthias [1] By regular reporting you can only decide whether a person is active but in my opinion you cannot conclude that a person is inactive. Because the main job of an Ambassador is not to report but to spread the word. -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From omen at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 09:40:19 2007 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (SaadAlDine AlSaidi) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:40:19 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1175764724.5447.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <1175764724.5447.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200704051240.19941.omen@fedoraproject.org> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 22:09 +0200, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > On 4/4/07, Francesco Ugolini > > wrote: > > I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be > > a meeting > > at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. > > > > Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due > > to confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) Simple if you go the the meeting link at the wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 and click on the timing, it will take you to http://www.timeanddate.com/ which will show you the timing of major capitals and the difference from UTC/GMT since they are both the same. you can always check your capital/city or simply match it to any other timing matching to your? Regards --- SaadAlDine AlSaidi From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 09:53:16 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:53:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175765990.5447.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> <1175765990.5447.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4614C70C.6060706@fedoraproject.org> If you have read my last proposal i'm not talking about remove ambassadors. Regards Francesco Ugolini p.s. This is my proposal without Casey Jones modifications (it will update soon): >> The Ambassadors who will stay inactive* for a year will be marked >> Inactive in their personal wiki page and in the Ambassadors list. >> >> *(People that don't follow anything of this possible activities: Be a >> speaker at an event, Collect feedback from community members,Promote >> Fedora events, Distribute Press Releases to local press, Support and >> Coordinate offline Fedora and Open Source activities, Participate in >> weekly meetings, Follow Ambassadors Mailing lists etc... (if you have >> more please tell me).) Matthias Kranz ha scritto: > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:10 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> You used the words Coordinations and Communication: how you can do this >> if you have people that don't follow the project ? >> >> We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad >> thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally >> I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't >> respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people >> that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. >> >> If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We >> have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. >> >> Yes, i agree when you say that we have to enlarge our community, what we >> are doing is to make this possible, improving the quality of our project >> and make possible to manage, as better as we can, this one. >> >> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. > > You still do not answer the question. If today we have 500 ambassadors. > 100 of them work actively. And to make _you_ happy they even report what > they are doing. > > Why (and how) does removing the 400 inactive[1] ambassadors improve the > Ambassador Project? > > Cheers, > Matthias > [1] By regular reporting you can only decide whether a person is active > but in my opinion you cannot conclude that a person is inactive. Because > the main job of an Ambassador is not to report but to spread the word. -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From polytropolis at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 10:10:59 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:10:59 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> Hi all! I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up early the next day! Claus Reheis On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > > > Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to > > confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) > > > > UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 > PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in > your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably just a typo but it would be 22:00 CEST or 21:00 CET ;) Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 10:56:08 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:56:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> Message-ID: <4614D5C8.6080108@fedoraproject.org> The next week we will held a meeting at 22.00 UTC we can make this at 21.00 UTC. Regards Frnacesco Ugolini Claus Reheis ha scritto: > Hi all! > > I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! > > It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! > > That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up > early the next day! > > Claus Reheis > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: >>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to >>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) >>> >> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 >> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in >> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jeroen van Meeuwen >> -kanarip >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 11:06:33 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:06:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> Message-ID: <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> If all ambassadors agree i think we can change the 2th and 4th thursdays of the month meetings hour from the actual 22.00 UTC to 20.00 UTC. For me, +1. Regards Francesco Ugolini Claus Reheis ha scritto: > Hi all! > > I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! > > It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! > > That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up > early the next day! > > Claus Reheis > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: >>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to >>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) >>> >> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 >> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in >> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jeroen van Meeuwen >> -kanarip >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 11:07:45 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:07:45 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4614D881.1030801@fedoraproject.org> Ops, little correction: 20.00 UTC is not avaiable, we can change the hour to 21.00 UTC. Regards Francesco Ugolini Francesco Ugolini ha scritto: > If all ambassadors agree i think we can change the 2th and 4th thursdays > of the month meetings hour from the actual 22.00 UTC to 20.00 UTC. > > For me, +1. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Claus Reheis ha scritto: >> Hi all! >> >> I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! >> >> It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! >> >> That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up >> early the next day! >> >> Claus Reheis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >>> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: >>>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to >>>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) >>>> >>> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 >>> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in >>> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Jeroen van Meeuwen >>> -kanarip >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 11:19:36 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:19:36 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614D881.1030801@fedoraproject.org> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> <4614D881.1030801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704050419k7c9eb0d4v9ba198c2484ea152@mail.gmail.com> Hi On 4/5/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > Ops, little correction: 20.00 UTC is not avaiable, we can change the > hour to 21.00 UTC. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 still has 14.00UTC ? Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Francesco Ugolini ha scritto: > > If all ambassadors agree i think we can change the 2th and 4th thursdays > > of the month meetings hour from the actual 22.00 UTC to 20.00 UTC. > > > > For me, +1. > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > Claus Reheis ha scritto: > >> Hi all! > >> > >> I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! > >> > >> It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! > >> > >> That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up > >> early the next day! > >> > >> Claus Reheis > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >>> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > >>>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due > to > >>>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) > >>>> > >>> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 > >>> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock > in > >>> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> Jeroen van Meeuwen > >>> -kanarip > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thks Francesco Ugolini escreveu: > If all ambassadors agree i think we can change the 2th and 4th thursdays > of the month meetings hour from the actual 22.00 UTC to 20.00 UTC. > > For me, +1. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Claus Reheis ha scritto: > >> Hi all! >> >> I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! >> >> It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! >> >> That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up >> early the next day! >> >> Claus Reheis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> >>> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: >>> >>>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to >>>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) >>>> >>>> >>> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 >>> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in >>> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Jeroen van Meeuwen >>> -kanarip >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> > > From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 11:34:42 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:34:42 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614DDAE.9080603@lojav.pt> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> <4614DDAE.9080603@lojav.pt> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704050434x3c96be7bgdb907e9facb69e58@mail.gmail.com> Hi On 4/5/07, Rui Moreira wrote: > > Hi all: > I have been away from the meetings for a long time now , but would like > to attend this one to try and Catch up.... > Is it on the same IRC channel ? (#fedora-mktg) find detail http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 If it has changed please warn me.... > > Thks > > > Francesco Ugolini escreveu: > > If all ambassadors agree i think we can change the 2th and 4th thursdays > > of the month meetings hour from the actual 22.00 UTC to 20.00 UTC. > > > > For me, +1. > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > Claus Reheis ha scritto: > > > >> Hi all! > >> > >> I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! > >> > >> It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! > >> > >> That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up > >> early the next day! > >> > >> Claus Reheis > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >> > >>> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > >>> > >>>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due > to > >>>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 > >>> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock > in > >>> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> Jeroen van Meeuwen > >>> -kanarip > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Apr 5 11:34:34 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:34:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614DDAE.9080603@lojav.pt> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> <4614DDAE.9080603@lojav.pt> Message-ID: <4614DECA.6020409@kanarip.com> Rui Moreira wrote: > Hi all: > I have been away from the meetings for a long time now , but would like > to attend this one to try and Catch up.... > Is it on the same IRC channel ? (#fedora-mktg) > If it has changed please warn me.... > > Thks > Meetings have been moved to #fedora-meeting. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Apr 5 11:37:21 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:37:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704050419k7c9eb0d4v9ba198c2484ea152@mail.gmail.com> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> <4614D881.1030801@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704050419k7c9eb0d4v9ba198c2484ea152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4614DF71.80300@kanarip.com> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Hi > > On 4/5/07, *Francesco Ugolini* > wrote: > > Ops, little correction: 20.00 UTC is not avaiable, we can change the > hour to 21.00 UTC. > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 > still > has 14.00UTC ? > Today, the meeting will be held at 14:00 UTC. Francesco proposed to alter meeting times every other week: Every month: Week 1 - 14:00 UTC Week 2 - 21:00 UTC Week 3 - 14:00 UTC Week 4 - 21:00 UTC We're in the first week of April now, so 14:00 UTC. My +1 for these times, as long as the reminder gets sent to the mailing list in time ;-) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 11:42:14 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:42:14 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614DF71.80300@kanarip.com> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> <4614D881.1030801@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704050419k7c9eb0d4v9ba198c2484ea152@mail.gmail.com> <4614DF71.80300@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704050442l64c5183fx68d502c626199193@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > Hi > > > > On 4/5/07, *Francesco Ugolini* > > wrote: > > > > Ops, little correction: 20.00 UTC is not avaiable, we can change the > > hour to 21.00 UTC. > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 > > still > > has 14.00UTC ? > > > > Today, the meeting will be held at 14:00 UTC. Francesco proposed to > alter meeting times every other week: > > Every month: > Week 1 - 14:00 UTC > Week 2 - 21:00 UTC > Week 3 - 14:00 UTC > Week 4 - 21:00 UTC > > We're in the first week of April now, so 14:00 UTC. > > My +1 for these times, as long as the reminder gets sent to the mailing > list in time ;-) My +1 too :-| Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Apr 5 12:22:06 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:22:06 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad > thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally > I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't > respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people > that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. We don't *have* to do anything. The cons to this proposal outweigh the pros and have been brought up by many others on this mailing list. We stand to gain little by taking what will be perceived by many a negative action and stand to alienate ambassadors who are out there supporting Fedora though they might be neglecting to report every action to the list. This is certainly not the *only* way. People are more likely to participate in a positive and supportive group. Not one that is looking to mark people's names from a list because they failed to report everything they are doing. That is *not* the way to gain participation. If you want increased communication figure out why people aren't reporting. Make participating at events easier. Let's focus all of this energy towards something positive instead of this internal noise. Let's work to get more Fedora users - not build animosity amongst our own volunteers. You also have to remember this is a volunteer group. Some people may only have time to hand out a few DVDs or talk to people in their area about Fedora. If an ambassador were to only hand out one DVD a year and not report it - I would still keep that person as an ambassador without a label. > If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We > have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. I don't think many have suggested closing their eyes. Many have suggested focusing on *positive* changes or means to encourage participation. > Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. And this comes around again - what is FAMSCO's opinion on this. I have yet to see any of the other FAMSCO members weigh in on this. --Jeffrey From couf at skynet.be Thu Apr 5 13:01:16 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:01:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <4614F31C.7020901@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeffrey Tadlock schreef: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad >> thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally >> I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't >> respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people >> that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. > > We don't *have* to do anything. The cons to this proposal outweigh the > pros and have been brought up by many others on this mailing list. We > stand to gain little by taking what will be perceived by many a negative > action and stand to alienate ambassadors who are out there supporting > Fedora though they might be neglecting to report every action to the list. > > This is certainly not the *only* way. People are more likely to > participate in a positive and supportive group. Not one that is looking > to mark people's names from a list because they failed to report > everything they are doing. That is *not* the way to gain participation. > > If you want increased communication figure out why people aren't > reporting. Make participating at events easier. Let's focus all of > this energy towards something positive instead of this internal noise. > Let's work to get more Fedora users - not build animosity amongst our > own volunteers. > > You also have to remember this is a volunteer group. Some people may > only have time to hand out a few DVDs or talk to people in their area > about Fedora. If an ambassador were to only hand out one DVD a year and > not report it - I would still keep that person as an ambassador without > a label. > A complete +1 >> If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We >> have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. > > I don't think many have suggested closing their eyes. Many have > suggested focusing on *positive* changes or means to encourage > participation. > >> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. > > And this comes around again - what is FAMSCO's opinion on this. I have > yet to see any of the other FAMSCO members weigh in on this. > Yes, and this is also my question. It's also a reason why I haven't responded to the thread at all (I've been reading all). On what kind of level has there been any discussion about this in Famsco and what have you guys decided / discussed. If you want more communication / reports from ambassadors, Famsco should do the same, e.g.: not only in meetings but also on mailing-list etc. (I know this is a different issue, call it an example) Bart - -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGFPMTrbZrKtk/D5MRApStAJ9+DcIJSg+GvIqvWrDzuCOT+eAOMgCfTG8B J1gnV2adH0kt+TTj4IPFD4k= =mEYF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From polytropolis at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 13:13:11 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:13:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704041309j62585ecdte1a1346e6ee092d2@mail.gmail.com> <4614C09D.7040804@kanarip.com> <1175767859.3721.9.camel@mainstation> <4614D839.2010005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175778791.3721.10.camel@mainstation> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 13:06 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > If all ambassadors agree i think we can change the 2th and 4th thursdays > of the month meetings hour from the actual 22.00 UTC to 20.00 UTC. > > For me, +1. +1 Claus Reheis > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Claus Reheis ha scritto: > > Hi all! > > > > I am sorry but at exactly 14:00 UTC I have to work! > > > > It would be great to have meetings around 20:00 UTC! > > > > That would be 22:00 CET and not to late for people who have to get up > > early the next day! > > > > Claus Reheis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 11:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > >>> Can you tell me the GMT relative time, as i always miss meetings due to > >>> confusion in time difference i am GMT + 2. (Maputo, Mozambique) > >>> > >> UTC differs 2 hours at this moment, so the meeting will be at 16:00 (4 > >> PM) your local time. For future reference, you can put a second clock in > >> your gnome panel to display the current UTC time. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> Jeroen van Meeuwen > >> -kanarip > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am i joking? Or what? Ok, i know I'm not a perfect manager but i want to remember what Thomas is doing for this project: hi is managing all the request made by Ambassadors, he is improving the communications trough Fedora News, and giving new ideas for the project. For the rest, people are working hard in the FAmSCo list and in the real world. Took the example of Rodrigo that is managing one of the biggest community (Latin America) and working to make the Ambassadors goals possible. So, we can't be everywhere and we can't accomplish all the requests but we are trying to make our better, but we need the help of the community. Regards Francesco Ugolini Bart Couvreur ha scritto: > Jeffrey Tadlock schreef: >> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad >>> thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally >>> I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't >>> respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people >>> that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. >> We don't *have* to do anything. The cons to this proposal outweigh the >> pros and have been brought up by many others on this mailing list. We >> stand to gain little by taking what will be perceived by many a negative >> action and stand to alienate ambassadors who are out there supporting >> Fedora though they might be neglecting to report every action to the list. > >> This is certainly not the *only* way. People are more likely to >> participate in a positive and supportive group. Not one that is looking >> to mark people's names from a list because they failed to report >> everything they are doing. That is *not* the way to gain participation. > >> If you want increased communication figure out why people aren't >> reporting. Make participating at events easier. Let's focus all of >> this energy towards something positive instead of this internal noise. >> Let's work to get more Fedora users - not build animosity amongst our >> own volunteers. > >> You also have to remember this is a volunteer group. Some people may >> only have time to hand out a few DVDs or talk to people in their area >> about Fedora. If an ambassador were to only hand out one DVD a year and >> not report it - I would still keep that person as an ambassador without >> a label. > > > A complete +1 > >>> If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We >>> have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. >> I don't think many have suggested closing their eyes. Many have >> suggested focusing on *positive* changes or means to encourage >> participation. > >>> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. >> And this comes around again - what is FAMSCO's opinion on this. I have >> yet to see any of the other FAMSCO members weigh in on this. > > > Yes, and this is also my question. It's also a reason why I haven't > responded to the thread at all (I've been reading all). > > On what kind of level has there been any discussion about this in Famsco > and what have you guys decided / discussed. > > If you want more communication / reports from ambassadors, Famsco should > do the same, e.g.: not only in meetings but also on mailing-list etc. (I > know this is a different issue, call it an example) > > Bart > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From gdk at redhat.com Thu Apr 5 13:41:20 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4614F7DC.6030901@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> <4614F31C.7020901@skynet.be> <4614F7DC.6030901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, somebody wrote: > Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. Just because you don't see the work happening doesn't mean that it isn't happening. I, personally, am a BIG FAN of allowing people to do whatever they can, whenever they can. I am also a BIG FAN of allowing *anybody who wants to* to be ambassadors -- or even (gasp) to *call* themselves ambassadors, even if they don't always do very much. I will therefore fight anyone who tries to assert that "I am an ambassador, but you are not." I'll fight it pretty damned hard, in fact. === Now. That said, I welcome the idea that some ambassadors *clearly* spend more of their time and effort to "make things happen". Thomas Chung is clearly the gold standard here, and he has been rewarded as such. Ambassadors, your efforts to recognize one another are laudable and correct. Be sure that you are recognizing individuals for their success, and not "penalizing" people for "not doing enough work." --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From couf at skynet.be Thu Apr 5 13:59:33 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:59:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4614F7DC.6030901@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <1175593032.4534.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> <4614F31C.7020901@skynet.be> <4614F7DC.6030901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461500C5.4050202@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Ugolini schreef: > Sorry, but what I'm doing here? Am i joking? Or what? > No, no, you misunderstood me. It's not personal Francesco. Read on > Ok, i know I'm not a perfect manager but i want to remember what Thomas > is doing for this project: hi is managing all the request made by > Ambassadors, he is improving the communications trough Fedora News, and > giving new ideas for the project. > > For the rest, people are working hard in the FAmSCo list and in the real > world. Took the example of Rodrigo that is managing one of the biggest > community (Latin America) and working to make the Ambassadors goals > possible. I know this, but does everyone know this? > So, we can't be everywhere and we can't accomplish all the requests but > we are trying to make our better, but we need the help of the community. > True enough. > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > This is what I was trying to say: the FAmSCo list is closed, we as ambassadors don't know what's going on and if this issue has been discussed there. Hearing the voice of one FAmSCo member isn't enough in this case. Don't take this as criticism, it's just a matter of managing a community: it's a job of the whole of FAmSCo, not one person; esp. if decisions on project level have to be made, like this one. Hope to have cleared my point here, Bart - -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGFQDFrbZrKtk/D5MRAoRxAKChiisbUjLZf+SeatwzOAUDCjsDwgCgiEap q1Ks2kXn4BL/mwlPhfiFVC8= =uIp9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From caseyjones at runbox.com Thu Apr 5 14:00:35 2007 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> References: <4613F035.8000109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: All, I was hoping to make the meeting today, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to. My apologies about this. I will try to make the next meeting. Thank you! Casey ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:36:37 +0200 From: Francesco Ugolini To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 5th March 14.00 UTC > I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be a meeting > at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. > > Http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-05 to see the > agenda or to add new topics to this one. > > We also have a voting over the draft proposal regarding Active/Inactive > Ambassadors. > > Thanks for your attention > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > ----- End Original Message ----- From gpex at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 15:53:11 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe pignataro) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:53:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Message-ID: ________________ Messaggio originale ________________ Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Autore: Francesco Ugolini Data: 05 aprile 2007 15:21:32 Sorry, but what I'm doing here? Am i joking? Or what? Ok, i know I'm not a perfect manager but i want to remember what Thomas is doing for this project: hi is managing all the request made by Ambassadors, he is improving the communications trough Fedora News, and giving new ideas for the project. For the rest, people are working hard in the FAmSCo list and in the real world. Took the example of Rodrigo that is managing one of the biggest community (Latin America) and working to make the Ambassadors goals possible. So, we can't be everywhere and we can't accomplish all the requests but we are trying to make our better, but we need the help of the community. Regards Francesco Ugolini Hi Francesco, I agree with you about the good and hard work all you are made. But I have a little idea that don't create problem:What do you think about give some task that the ambassadors can made?We can create a task list with some task that the ambassadors can make.In this way the ambassadors that want can help.In this way there are no problem if some one don't have the possibility to help. Regards, Giuseppe Bart Couvreur ha scritto: > Jeffrey Tadlock schreef: >> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad >>> thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally >>> I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't >>> respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people >>> that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. >> We don't *have* to do anything. The cons to this proposal outweigh the >> pros and have been brought up by many others on this mailing list. We >> stand to gain little by taking what will be perceived by many a negative >> action and stand to alienate ambassadors who are out there supporting >> Fedora though they might be neglecting to report every action to the list. > >> This is certainly not the *only* way. People are more likely to >> participate in a positive and supportive group. Not one that is looking >> to mark people's names from a list because they failed to report >> everything they are doing. That is *not* the way to gain participation. > >> If you want increased communication figure out why people aren't >> reporting. Make participating at events easier. Let's focus all of >> this energy towards something positive instead of this internal noise. >> Let's work to get more Fedora users - not build animosity amongst our >> own volunteers. > >> You also have to remember this is a volunteer group. Some people may >> only have time to hand out a few DVDs or talk to people in their area >> about Fedora. If an ambassador were to only hand out one DVD a year and >> not report it - I would still keep that person as an ambassador without >> a label. > > > A complete +1 > >>> If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We >>> have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. >> I don't think many have suggested closing their eyes. Many have >> suggested focusing on *positive* changes or means to encourage >> participation. > >>> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. >> And this comes around again - what is FAMSCO's opinion on this. I have >> yet to see any of the other FAMSCO members weigh in on this. > > > Yes, and this is also my question. It's also a reason why I haven't > responded to the thread at all (I've been reading all). > > On what kind of level has there been any discussion about this in Famsco > and what have you guys decided / discussed. > > If you want more communication / reports from ambassadors, Famsco should > do the same, e.g.: not only in meetings but also on mailing-list etc. (I > know this is a different issue, call it an example) > > Bart > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 16:09:57 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Dakshh 2007 : Report on the local LUG site In-Reply-To: <4614F88F.9030305@gmail.com> References: <4614F88F.9030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the addition... -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 17:09:58 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:09:58 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> Great idea, can we merge both solution in only one? I explain my idea: i think it's a genius idea to create tasks, so we could know the ambassadors activity, but for people that would forget (voluntary or involuntary) they are part of the project i think we would have, first, to alert them and then mark them inactive. Tell me what you think Regards Francesco Ugolini Giuseppe pignataro ha scritto: > ________________ Messaggio originale ________________ > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > Autore: Francesco Ugolini > Data: 05 aprile 2007 15:21:32 > > Sorry, but what I'm doing here? Am i joking? Or what? > > Ok, i know I'm not a perfect manager but i want to remember what Thomas > is doing for this project: hi is managing all the request made by > Ambassadors, he is improving the communications trough Fedora News, and > giving new ideas for the project. > > For the rest, people are working hard in the FAmSCo list and in the real > world. Took the example of Rodrigo that is managing one of the biggest > community (Latin America) and working to make the Ambassadors goals > possible. > > So, we can't be everywhere and we can't accomplish all the requests but > we are trying to make our better, but we need the help of the community. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Hi Francesco, > I agree with you about the good and hard work all you are made. > But I have a little idea that don't create problem:What do you think about give some task that the ambassadors can made?We can create a task list with some task that the ambassadors can make.In this way the ambassadors that want can help.In this way there are no problem if some one don't have the possibility to help. > > Regards, > Giuseppe > > Bart Couvreur ha scritto: >> Jeffrey Tadlock schreef: >>> Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>>> We have to shake inactive people with new rules. I know it seems a bad >>>> thing, and in a certain view I agree, but it's the only way. Personally >>>> I'm hurt to see people that are doing nothing, because they don't >>>> respect people who work, and in this project we have a lot of people >>>> that every day talk with people and promote Fedora. >>> We don't *have* to do anything. The cons to this proposal outweigh the >>> pros and have been brought up by many others on this mailing list. We >>> stand to gain little by taking what will be perceived by many a negative >>> action and stand to alienate ambassadors who are out there supporting >>> Fedora though they might be neglecting to report every action to the list. >>> This is certainly not the *only* way. People are more likely to >>> participate in a positive and supportive group. Not one that is looking >>> to mark people's names from a list because they failed to report >>> everything they are doing. That is *not* the way to gain participation. >>> If you want increased communication figure out why people aren't >>> reporting. Make participating at events easier. Let's focus all of >>> this energy towards something positive instead of this internal noise. >>> Let's work to get more Fedora users - not build animosity amongst our >>> own volunteers. >>> You also have to remember this is a volunteer group. Some people may >>> only have time to hand out a few DVDs or talk to people in their area >>> about Fedora. If an ambassador were to only hand out one DVD a year and >>> not report it - I would still keep that person as an ambassador without >>> a label. >> >> A complete +1 >> >>>> If we want to close our eyes, ok, but it's not the better system. We >>>> have to give a new chance to Ambassadors Project to improve itself. >>> I don't think many have suggested closing their eyes. Many have >>> suggested focusing on *positive* changes or means to encourage >>> participation. >>>> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. >>> And this comes around again - what is FAMSCO's opinion on this. I have >>> yet to see any of the other FAMSCO members weigh in on this. >> >> Yes, and this is also my question. It's also a reason why I haven't >> responded to the thread at all (I've been reading all). >> >> On what kind of level has there been any discussion about this in Famsco >> and what have you guys decided / discussed. >> >> If you want more communication / reports from ambassadors, Famsco should >> do the same, e.g.: not only in meetings but also on mailing-list etc. (I >> know this is a different issue, call it an example) >> >> Bart >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 17:21:19 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:21:19 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting Message-ID: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> I want, first of all, to thank all Ambassadors to have joined the Ambassadors Meeting. Sorry for the initial chaos, but, sincerely, i didn't preview that a lot of Ambassador would join this one. For the next one, i will be more organized (this week is a strange one for me due to easter activities). One thing i want to underline is the participation, people explained their ideas, proposed solutions to many issues and work in a perfect synchrony. I have to be sincere, I'm optimist over the future of this project, and, despite the inactive ambassadors, we are able to face the new challenges easily and perfectly. We are a GREAT group, we can work together and we can improve not only the project but ourselves. So, congratulation to everybody Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Apr 5 17:53:02 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:53:02 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 19:21 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I want, first of all, to thank all Ambassadors to have joined the > Ambassadors Meeting. > > Sorry for the initial chaos, but, sincerely, i didn't preview that a lot > of Ambassador would join this one. For the next one, i will be more > organized (this week is a strange one for me due to easter activities). > > One thing i want to underline is the participation, people explained > their ideas, proposed solutions to many issues and work in a perfect > synchrony. > > I have to be sincere, I'm optimist over the future of this project, and, > despite the inactive ambassadors, we are able to face the new challenges > easily and perfectly. > > We are a GREAT group, we can work together and we can improve not only > the project but ourselves. > > So, congratulation to everybody Is someone gonna post the minutes of the meeting? I would like to know the vote regarding the active/inactive ambassadors. Regards, Marc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Thu Apr 5 17:52:52 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: Does someone have a URL of the actual active/inactive ambassadors proposal for me to check out? --g On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 19:21 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I want, first of all, to thank all Ambassadors to have joined the >> Ambassadors Meeting. >> >> Sorry for the initial chaos, but, sincerely, i didn't preview that a lot >> of Ambassador would join this one. For the next one, i will be more >> organized (this week is a strange one for me due to easter activities). >> >> One thing i want to underline is the participation, people explained >> their ideas, proposed solutions to many issues and work in a perfect >> synchrony. >> >> I have to be sincere, I'm optimist over the future of this project, and, >> despite the inactive ambassadors, we are able to face the new challenges >> easily and perfectly. >> >> We are a GREAT group, we can work together and we can improve not only >> the project but ourselves. >> >> So, congratulation to everybody > > Is someone gonna post the minutes of the meeting? I would like to know > the vote regarding the active/inactive ambassadors. > > Regards, > > > Marc > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 18:19:11 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:19:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <46153D9F.1090008@fedoraproject.org> The proposal draft is : The Ambassadors who will stay inactive* for a year will be marked Inactive in their personal wiki page and in the Ambassadors list. (People that don't follow anything of this possible activities: Be a speaker at an event, Collect feedback from community members,Promote Fedora events, Distribute Press Releases to local press, Support and Coordinate offline Fedora and Open Source activities, Participate in weekly meetings, Follow Ambassadors Mailing lists, burn and spread CD's / DVD's with people new to Linux and Fedora (if you have more please tell me).) Regards Francesco Ugolini Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: > > Does someone have a URL of the actual active/inactive ambassadors > proposal for me to check out? > > --g > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > >> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 19:21 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> I want, first of all, to thank all Ambassadors to have joined the >>> Ambassadors Meeting. >>> >>> Sorry for the initial chaos, but, sincerely, i didn't preview that a lot >>> of Ambassador would join this one. For the next one, i will be more >>> organized (this week is a strange one for me due to easter activities). >>> >>> One thing i want to underline is the participation, people explained >>> their ideas, proposed solutions to many issues and work in a perfect >>> synchrony. >>> >>> I have to be sincere, I'm optimist over the future of this project, and, >>> despite the inactive ambassadors, we are able to face the new challenges >>> easily and perfectly. >>> >>> We are a GREAT group, we can work together and we can improve not only >>> the project but ourselves. >>> >>> So, congratulation to everybody >> >> Is someone gonna post the minutes of the meeting? I would like to know >> the vote regarding the active/inactive ambassadors. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Marc >> > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 18:25:09 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:25:09 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the results are: +1 = 7 votes -1 = 7 votes This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this proposal. Regards Francesco Ugolini Marc Wiriadisastra ha scritto: > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 19:21 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I want, first of all, to thank all Ambassadors to have joined the >> Ambassadors Meeting. >> >> Sorry for the initial chaos, but, sincerely, i didn't preview that a lot >> of Ambassador would join this one. For the next one, i will be more >> organized (this week is a strange one for me due to easter activities). >> >> One thing i want to underline is the participation, people explained >> their ideas, proposed solutions to many issues and work in a perfect >> synchrony. >> >> I have to be sincere, I'm optimist over the future of this project, and, >> despite the inactive ambassadors, we are able to face the new challenges >> easily and perfectly. >> >> We are a GREAT group, we can work together and we can improve not only >> the project but ourselves. >> >> So, congratulation to everybody > > Is someone gonna post the minutes of the meeting? I would like to know > the vote regarding the active/inactive ambassadors. > > Regards, > > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From gdk at redhat.com Thu Apr 5 18:58:22 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the results are: > > +1 = 7 votes > > -1 = 7 votes > > This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this proposal. A few thoughts. First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing "passive" participants. Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be willing to fund it. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Thu Apr 5 19:13:40 2007 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:13:40 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora French Ambassadors Weekly Minutes[2007-04-01] In-Reply-To: <51302.192.168.0.6.1175721190.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> References: <57504.192.168.0.6.1175707480.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> <4613EB62.3010805@fedoraproject.org> <51302.192.168.0.6.1175721190.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070405211340.0048bef2@localhost.localdomain> Le Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:13:10 +0200 (CEST), "Armelk" a ?crit : > Good Afternoon Rahul > > > Armelk wrote: > > We haven't been advertising the presence of Free media much since > > the number of requests we can serve is low. How many requests can > > we be fulfilling every month in these regions? > > The right personn about this point is ThomasCanniot and DamienDurand > Thomas, Damien can you answer about this point ? > Actually I am alone in France to accept sending DVD. It does not cost a lot and I enjoy doing it. Well, I think that sending 15 to 20 will be reasonable according to the other thing I have to do for the FP. Cheers, Thomas From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 19:21:21 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:21:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will grant them such recognition. The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. The idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it seems not to be such. I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping someone will help me to solve this one. Regards Francesco Ugolini Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the results are: >> >> +1 = 7 votes >> >> -1 = 7 votes >> >> This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this proposal. > > A few thoughts. > > First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. > > Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing > "passive" participants. > > Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be willing > to fund it. > > --g > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From fusion94 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 20:07:36 2007 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are doing so behind the scene. For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in development we award user points for users that contribute user generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as inactive. Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you register and don't contribute. This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks to me of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own words make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action exemplifies this. If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then perhaps FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ Ambassadors/Awards and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was unable to attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in it's current form. Thoughts? -t -- Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net fusion94 at gmail.com On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this > work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was > done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will grant > them such recognition. > > The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this > proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. The > idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it > seems > not to be such. > > I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping > someone will help me to solve this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: >> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> >>> For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the >>> results are: >>> >>> +1 = 7 votes >>> >>> -1 = 7 votes >>> >>> This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this >>> proposal. >> >> A few thoughts. >> >> First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. >> >> Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing >> "passive" participants. >> >> Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be >> willing >> to fund it. >> >> --g >> > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerold at lugd.org Thu Apr 5 20:42:23 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:42:23 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175805743.3779.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> sorry, .... I personally don't agree with you, in my eyes, that's not a usable way to "rate" action of someone ... My English is not so good, indeed, and so I can't write for example 20 arcticles per week. Now I#m a "bad" Ambassador? Hey ... this is my privacy! IN my work, at my job I can be rated, no doubt ... But here as Ambassador it must be FUN to be ONE, it must make me HAPPY to do something and not: oh, I have to upload a video to get more points to be awarded the next time ... or something like that. We are somewhere on the "wooden way" to have Ambassadors more integrated in Events, in FADs, ... I'm really sure the most of the people listet on the wike are as active as they can and we have less than 10% of "black sheepes" (which only uses the official status for their own profit). And now I like to say: Let it be as it is! My opinion is with the whole discussion you all guys have been waked up to remember what should our goals are and that we all want to work together. We don't want to loose ONE person out of the people who want to promote Fedora, but we did ... We lost a couple of -in my eyes- important persons in the last few month, and that's in my eyes a pity! Let's find a way to work much better together, to help the people MORE to spread the word, not to blame anybody out ... Just my five cents Gerold Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 13:07 -0700 schrieb Tony Guntharp: > There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without > alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are doing > so behind the scene. > > > For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in > development we award user points for users that contribute user > generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a > wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user > gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user > registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points > awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as > inactive. > > > Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and > contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you register > and don't contribute. > > > This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks to > me of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own > words make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action > exemplifies this. > > > If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then perhaps > FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Awards > and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 > months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. > > > I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was unable > to attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a > contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not > careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. > > > I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in > it's current form. > > > Thoughts? > > > -t > -- > Tony Guntharp > Co-Founder SourceForge.net > fusion94 at gmail.com > > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this > > work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was > > done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will > > grant > > them such recognition. > > > > > > The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this > > proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. > > The > > idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it > > seems > > not to be such. > > > > > > I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping > > someone will help me to solve this one. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: > > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the > > > > results are: > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 = 7 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > -1 = 7 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this > > > > proposal. > > > > > > > > > A few thoughts. > > > > > > > > > First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. > > > > > > > > > Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing > > > "passive" participants. > > > > > > > > > Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be > > > willing > > > to fund it. > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. 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People that live in a Country without any events, couldn't have event points. With my idea i want to find a solution that prize equally all the people who work, and, at the end, doesn't do anything to people that aren't working. We have to understand that, if there are some people that are doing nothing, it's their responsibility, not our. Yes, we have to encourage all people, I'm available to do this, now and forever, but we have to understand that many people are just not interest or have just other priorities. So, if you think it's a punitive proposal you can trow it, but, if you think it can prize working ambassador, help non active ambassador to ask for help, and, yes, don't punish inactive members (they won't be fired, or something similar), you can support this and, if you want, improve this. Regards Francesco Ugolini Tony Guntharp ha scritto: > There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without > alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are doing > so behind the scene. > > For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in > development we award user points for users that contribute user > generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a > wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user > gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user > registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points > awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as inactive. > > Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and > contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you register > and don't contribute. > > This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks to me > of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own words > make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action > exemplifies this. > > If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then perhaps > FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Awards > and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 > months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. > > I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was unable to > attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a > contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not > careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. > > I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in > it's current form. > > Thoughts? > > -t > -- > Tony Guntharp > Co-Founder SourceForge.net > fusion94 at gmail.com > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this >> work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was >> done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will grant >> them such recognition. >> >> The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this >> proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. The >> idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it seems >> not to be such. >> >> I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping >> someone will help me to solve this one. >> >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: >>> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> >>>> For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the results are: >>>> >>>> +1 = 7 votes >>>> >>>> -1 = 7 votes >>>> >>>> This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this proposal. >>> >>> A few thoughts. >>> >>> First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. >>> >>> Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing >>> "passive" participants. >>> >>> Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be willing >>> to fund it. >>> >>> --g >>> >> >> -- >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From fusion94 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 21:14:12 2007 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:14:12 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <46156144.6030405@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <46156144.6030405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I only used the user points scenario as an example. I'm not advocating we utilize user points for fedora ambassadors in regards to the matter at hand. My point was this. If you're looking to reward someone for contributing you do so by rewarding that person or group of people. You don't reward them by punishing the other people around them. A real life example would be if I had 10 engineers working for me as Software Engineers. 2 of those Engineers have contributed to the success of the company or product in a manner that justifies a reward. I do so by promoting those 2 to Senior Software Engineers or by giving them a pay raise. I DO NOT reward them by demoting the other 8 engineers to Junior Software Engineers or by lowering the pay of the 8 other Engineers. Thoughts? -t -- Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net fusion94 at gmail.com On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > But we create different level of Ambassadors: people who cannot, for > example, join irc meetings, couldn't have irc meeting points etc... > People that live in a Country without any events, couldn't have event > points. > > With my idea i want to find a solution that prize equally all the > people > who work, and, at the end, doesn't do anything to people that aren't > working. We have to understand that, if there are some people that are > doing nothing, it's their responsibility, not our. Yes, we have to > encourage all people, I'm available to do this, now and forever, > but we > have to understand that many people are just not interest or have just > other priorities. > > So, if you think it's a punitive proposal you can trow it, but, if you > think it can prize working ambassador, help non active ambassador > to ask > for help, and, yes, don't punish inactive members (they won't be > fired, > or something similar), you can support this and, if you want, > improve this. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Tony Guntharp ha scritto: >> There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without >> alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are >> doing >> so behind the scene. >> >> For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in >> development we award user points for users that contribute user >> generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a >> wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user >> gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user >> registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points >> awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as >> inactive. >> >> Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and >> contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you >> register >> and don't contribute. >> >> This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks >> to me >> of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own >> words >> make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action >> exemplifies this. >> >> If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then >> perhaps >> FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/ >> Awards >> and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 >> months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. >> >> I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was >> unable to >> attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a >> contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not >> careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. >> >> I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in >> it's current form. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -t >> -- >> Tony Guntharp >> Co-Founder SourceForge.net >> fusion94 at gmail.com >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> >>> The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this >>> work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was >>> done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will >>> grant >>> them such recognition. >>> >>> The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this >>> proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. >>> The >>> idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it >>> seems >>> not to be such. >>> >>> I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping >>> someone will help me to solve this one. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Francesco Ugolini >>> >>> Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: >>>> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>>> >>>>> For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the >>>>> results are: >>>>> >>>>> +1 = 7 votes >>>>> >>>>> -1 = 7 votes >>>>> >>>>> This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this >>>>> proposal. >>>> >>>> A few thoughts. >>>> >>>> First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. >>>> >>>> Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing >>>> "passive" participants. >>>> >>>> Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be >>>> willing >>>> to fund it. >>>> >>>> --g >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Thu Apr 5 21:29:41 2007 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:29:41 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <46156144.6030405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070405232941.0e7781d9@localhost.localdomain> Le Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:14:12 -0700, Tony Guntharp a ?crit : > I only used the user points scenario as an example. I'm not > advocating we utilize user points for fedora ambassadors in regards > to the matter at hand. > > My point was this. If you're looking to reward someone for > contributing you do so by rewarding that person or group of people. > You don't reward them by punishing the other people around them. > > A real life example would be if I had 10 engineers working for me as > Software Engineers. 2 of those Engineers have contributed to the > success of the company or product in a manner that justifies a > reward. I do so by promoting those 2 to Senior Software Engineers or > by giving them a pay raise. I DO NOT reward them by demoting the > other 8 engineers to Junior Software Engineers or by lowering the > pay of the 8 other Engineers. > > Thoughts? > > -t > I agree with you as well. Thomas From gpex at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 5 22:12:09 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe Pignataro) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:12:09 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Hi Francesco, The problem of inactivity is so much frequent in the open source world,as you know. The problem that we now have,if I have undestand good,is in which way we can decided if a member is inactive or not.But in which way we can control if a member is inactive or not?If,for example, an ambassador don't take part in an online meeeting,we can't consider him inactive if the ambassador are spread fedora in the real life.I believe that for this problem exist a solution:We can create two type of activity something like this ambassador is active online and this ambassador is active offline(in the real life) or both.After a period,like 1 year, the ambassador that work only offline can give some info about their work,if they don't make this,we can consider they inactive. I belive that this can be considered a solution of this problem.I dont'know if is the best but I believe that this is a good idea. Regards, Giuseppe -----Messaggio originale----- Da: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Per conto di Francesco Ugolini Inviato: gioved? 5 aprile 2007 19.10 A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors Great idea, can we merge both solution in only one? I explain my idea: i think it's a genius idea to create tasks, so we could know the ambassadors activity, but for people that would forget (voluntary or involuntary) they are part of the project i think we would have, first, to alert them and then mark them inactive. Tell me what you think Regards Francesco Ugolini Giuseppe pignataro ha scritto: > ________________ Messaggio originale ________________ > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors > Autore: Francesco Ugolini > Data: 05 aprile 2007 15:21:32 > > Sorry, but what I'm doing here? Am i joking? Or what? > > Ok, i know I'm not a perfect manager but i want to remember what > Thomas is doing for this project: hi is managing all the request made > by Ambassadors, he is improving the communications trough Fedora News, > and giving new ideas for the project. > > For the rest, people are working hard in the FAmSCo list and in the > real world. Took the example of Rodrigo that is managing one of the > biggest community (Latin America) and working to make the Ambassadors > goals possible. > > So, we can't be everywhere and we can't accomplish all the requests > but we are trying to make our better, but we need the help of the community. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 23:28:55 2007 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:28:55 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <20070405232941.0e7781d9@localhost.localdomain> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <46156144.6030405@fedoraproject.org> <20070405232941.0e7781d9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: If you peopler are done... kick me outta your ambassadors project assuming me as an inactive member. But, you know one thing... no one can stop me helping the Fedora users in my country. I've never asked for DVDs and shall never ask you. We can burn our own to distribute. And english of mine is bad too here -- ??? ????? mak --------------------------------------------------------------- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Apr 6 00:37:05 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:37:05 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175819825.4427.4.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 13:07 -0700, Tony Guntharp wrote: > There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without > alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are doing > so behind the scene. > > > For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in > development we award user points for users that contribute user > generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a > wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user > gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user > registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points > awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as > inactive. > > > Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and > contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you register > and don't contribute. > > > This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks to > me of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own > words make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action > exemplifies this. > > > If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then perhaps > FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Awards > and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 > months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. > > > I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was unable > to attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a > contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not > careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. > > > I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in > it's current form. > > > Thoughts? > > > -t > -- > Tony Guntharp > Co-Founder SourceForge.net > fusion94 at gmail.com > I would be with you Tony sadly and I do DVD's for Australia which you can see from the freemedia mailing list. Unfortunately the university life takes a lot of time. Regards, Marc > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rwhetsel at ravensong.com Fri Apr 6 04:15:19 2007 From: rwhetsel at ravensong.com (Robert Whetsel) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <46124BC8.7090904@fedoraproject.org> <1175608174.4534.169.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> <4614F31C.7020901@skynet.be> <4614F7DC.6030901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175832919.4615c957d8810@mail.ravensong.com> It is sad, I had one Ambassador accept my challenge of setting a goal to acquire new users. Instead you chose to spend a good bit of wasted time on who is active/inactive. I agree with Greg's philosophy stated intelligently here. The goal at the end of the day is to have one more Linux user, anything else is a waste of resources and peoples time. I left the Ambassadors over issues like this, but when you get so far off track I can not set idly by and watch you drive the bus off a cliff. Why do you continue to replay the same wasted efforts. We had a similar debate when I was on FAMSCO last year. If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it. By the way we thought it was a bad idea then and it still is. Kushal I gave out 25 dvds today; I'll let you know if we get any new users. 19 new users to date. group ping -- Cheers, Robert C. Whetsel ?No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.? Quoting Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, somebody wrote: > > > Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. > > Just because you don't see the work happening doesn't mean that it isn't > happening. > > I, personally, am a BIG FAN of allowing people to do whatever they can, > whenever they can. I am also a BIG FAN of allowing *anybody who wants > to* to be ambassadors -- or even (gasp) to *call* themselves ambassadors, > even if they don't always do very much. > > I will therefore fight anyone who tries to assert that "I am an > ambassador, but you are not." I'll fight it pretty damned hard, in fact. > > === > > Now. That said, I welcome the idea that some ambassadors *clearly* spend > more of their time and effort to "make things happen". Thomas Chung is > clearly the gold standard here, and he has been rewarded as such. > > Ambassadors, your efforts to recognize one another are laudable and > correct. > > Be sure that you are recognizing individuals for their success, and not > "penalizing" people for "not doing enough work." > > --g > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From kushaldas at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 04:24:50 2007 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:54:50 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <20070405232941.0e7781d9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200704060954.50692.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Friday 06 April 2007 04:58:55 mak wrote: > If you peopler are done... > kick me outta your ambassadors project assuming me as an inactive member. > But, you know one thing... no one can stop me helping the Fedora users in > my country. > I've never asked for DVDs and shall never ask you. We can burn our own to > distribute. ???? ??? ???? ??? Be cool dude :) Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 05:03:06 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:33:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4615D48A.602@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Ugolini wrote: > The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this > work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was > done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will grant > them such recognition. I would suggest that instead of flipping the reward system by making a system of active and passive, let's just reward the Ambassadors who are "active" (as per the discussion definition) more often. It is not that the passive ones doing the project (ie Fedora) harm - they are just not functioning at optimal capacity. Rewarding does have positive incentives. :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGFdSKXQZpNTcrCzMRAhxiAKDCVGHt1aJ8QqGNUfYiXi0Ok7GQUgCgx9Hz 8XNkzGcuRDZwAG6k/T22eZ0= =FS3V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 09:02:06 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:02:06 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1175832919.4615c957d8810@mail.ravensong.com> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> <46125E69.9090301@gnsa.us> <1175610193.22450.6.camel@lincoln> <108fe3f0704030757t43641318q7b07dca483448e89@mail.gmail.com> <46127F16.6050805@fedoraproject.org> <46128B3D.8040806@fedoraproject.org> <46128F93.8020107@mscoast.com> <46129351.9070405@fedoraproject.org> <46129F88.7000305@mscoast.com> <4612A0F6.30005@fedoraproject.org> <4612CD86.3080304@elfshadow.net> <461389FD.4000606@fedoraproject.org> <4613C352.1080100@fedoraproject.org> <461446E7.1090802@mchsi.com> <4614BD1F.60507@fedoraproject.org> <4614E9EE.3090006@elfshadow.net> <4614F31C.7020901@skynet.be> <4614F7DC.6030901@fedoraproject.org> <1175832919.4615c957d8810@mail.ravensong.com> Message-ID: <46160C8E.9020406@fedoraproject.org> I would be a dreamer, but i think that such decision need to be taken by all the people. Yes, our goal is to promote Fedora and Open Source globally and i think people are doing this now. I think this isn't lost time, i think we have to interact each other to improve our sense of community, and FAmSCo can understand what people really want, not what it think it's necessary. If people don't need to mark ambassadors who don't work inactive, FAmSCo has to say: ok, people say no, this is a Fact. Yes, this is my point of view, but many people were free not to reply to my proposal, why they didn't that? Because they are interested to debate regarding this issue. Yes, we have to work over Fedora 7, Linux Events but we have to work improving our community. Regards Francesco Ugolini Robert Whetsel ha scritto: > It is sad, I had one Ambassador accept my challenge of setting a goal to > acquire > new users. Instead you chose to spend a good bit of wasted time on who is > active/inactive. I agree with Greg's philosophy stated intelligently here. The > goal at the end of the day is to have one more Linux user, anything else is a > waste of resources and peoples time. > > I left the Ambassadors over issues like this, but when you get so far off track > I can not set idly by and watch you drive the bus off a cliff. Why do you > continue to replay the same wasted efforts. We had a similar debate when I was > on FAMSCO last year. If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat > it. > By the way we thought it was a bad idea then and it still is. > > Kushal I gave out 25 dvds today; I'll let you know if we get any new users. > 19 new users to date. > > group ping > > -- > Cheers, > > Robert C. Whetsel > > ?No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.? > > > Quoting Greg Dekoenigsberg : > >> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, somebody wrote: >> >>> Personally i prefer 100 people that work than 400 that do nothing. >> Just because you don't see the work happening doesn't mean that it isn't >> happening. >> >> I, personally, am a BIG FAN of allowing people to do whatever they can, >> whenever they can. I am also a BIG FAN of allowing *anybody who wants >> to* to be ambassadors -- or even (gasp) to *call* themselves ambassadors, >> even if they don't always do very much. >> >> I will therefore fight anyone who tries to assert that "I am an >> ambassador, but you are not." I'll fight it pretty damned hard, in fact. >> >> === >> >> Now. That said, I welcome the idea that some ambassadors *clearly* spend >> more of their time and effort to "make things happen". Thomas Chung is >> clearly the gold standard here, and he has been rewarded as such. >> >> Ambassadors, your efforts to recognize one another are laudable and >> correct. >> >> Be sure that you are recognizing individuals for their success, and not >> "penalizing" people for "not doing enough work." >> >> --g >> >> -- >> Greg DeKoenigsberg >> Community Development Manager >> Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 >> "To whomsoever much hath been given... >> ...from him much shall be asked" >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 09:03:08 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:03:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <4615D48A.602@gmail.com> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <4615D48A.602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46160CCC.4020406@fedoraproject.org> Genius idea. Can you modify the proposal with your suggestions ? Regards Francesco Ugolini Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this >> work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was >> done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will grant >> them such recognition. > > I would suggest that instead of flipping the reward system by making a > system of active and passive, let's just reward the Ambassadors who are > "active" (as per the discussion definition) more often. It is not that > the passive ones doing the project (ie Fedora) harm - they are just not > functioning at optimal capacity. > > Rewarding does have positive incentives. > > :Sankarshan > > > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 09:13:34 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:13:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <1175819825.4427.4.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <1175819825.4427.4.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <46160F3E.9020000@fedoraproject.org> I can understand perfectly, but i want to repeat, you are free here, you can do what you can, we will not criticize for this because we have the same problems like you. For example ,from the half of June since half of July i will busy and i will be here less than now. I understand perfectly and, be sure, it's now important how many do you do but with which passion you do this. Regards Francesco Ugolini Marc Wiriadisastra ha scritto: > > I would be with you Tony sadly and I do DVD's for Australia which you > can see from the freemedia mailing list. Unfortunately the university > life takes a lot of time. > > Regards, > > > Marc -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 09:07:31 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:07:31 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <46156144.6030405@fedoraproject.org> <20070405232941.0e7781d9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46160DD3.2060902@fedoraproject.org> If you have read this list you demonstrate you are active. Remember you are here free and without any duty. It's sound strange to listen from you you want this words, you are working and everybody can see this. The problem of this discussion is that we have to use a "different language" and have to explain our opinions and ideas trough an email. Sorry if my English can be sometime misunderstood and sorry if i can't give you the true sense of my proposal. Read the Sankarshan proposal, it sounds good. Stay sure you are a people who work :) Regards Francesco Ugolini mak ha scritto: > If you peopler are done... > kick me outta your ambassadors project assuming me as an inactive member. > But, you know one thing... no one can stop me helping the Fedora users > in my country. > I've never asked for DVDs and shall never ask you. We can burn our own > to distribute. > > And english of mine is bad too here > > -- > ??? ????? > mak > --------------------------------------------------------------- > First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, > then they fight you, then you win. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From splinux at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 09:21:26 2007 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:21:26 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Message-ID: Morning all, An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this contract must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not the case, the ambassador will be considered inactive. 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Regards, Bart Fedora Ambassador - Belgium 2007/4/6, Damien Durand : > Morning all, > > An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this contract > must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not the case, the > ambassador will be considered inactive. > > Regards, > > Damien > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- From Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 11:08:24 2007 From: Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org (Bart De Soete) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:08:24 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora European Infrastructure - 2nd try In-Reply-To: <460FA5B2.5050407@fedoraproject.org> References: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> <460F8670.2080100@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0704010513q22c98ce3s8e5d1799c25229fb@mail.gmail.com> <460FA5B2.5050407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <644c0c0b0704060408g7addc94j1c0727a0dbbe04ca@mail.gmail.com> As an European, I think it's quiet a risk like been said earlier in this mail. It does not contribute to the global aspect of Fedora. A Swiss account can be an option. Luxembourg maybe? Regards, -- --- Bart De Soete, Fedora Ambassador ? Belgium From Rau_A at web.de Fri Apr 6 13:17:47 2007 From: Rau_A at web.de (Andreas Rau) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:17:47 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <4615D48A.602@gmail.com> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <4615D48A.602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175865467.4750.23.camel@mainbrain> Hi All, I am exactely with Sankarshan' opinion In my view the problem is to get an view of active and passive Ambassadors to despatch tasks or get help, to handle events for example. I think time is the important factor as far as I ve followed up this discussion. I think pressure is not the way to get these people active. Sorry, got less sleep in the last view days so my English is becoming worse. :) hope you get the point Do not kick Ambassadors and waste strength.. AndreasR at fedoraproject.org feel free to correct/contact me if I miss the point of this discussion contact: Yahoo:bop80medic ;) msn:Andreas.Rau at infor.de #that's the part with the joke - my five cents in this discussion Kind regards, ANdi Am Freitag, den 06.04.2007, 10:33 +0530 schrieb Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this > > work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was > > done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will grant > > them such recognition. > > I would suggest that instead of flipping the reward system by making a > system of active and passive, let's just reward the Ambassadors who are > "active" (as per the discussion definition) more often. It is not that > the passive ones doing the project (ie Fedora) harm - they are just not > functioning at optimal capacity. > > Rewarding does have positive incentives. > > :Sankarshan > > > > - -- > > You see things; and you say 'Why?'; > But I dream things that never were; > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGFdSKXQZpNTcrCzMRAhxiAKDCVGHt1aJ8QqGNUfYiXi0Ok7GQUgCgx9Hz > 8XNkzGcuRDZwAG6k/T22eZ0= > =FS3V > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That would be a better idea.. +1 for the idea.. and *About the irc meetings* I know that the meeting details are found in the inside fedoraproject wiki page how ever it would be better that somebody mail the meetings date before the meetings starts like Thomas Canniot does before every french meetings. May be the first one who updates the meeting/ visits the meeting wiki page would remind the other ambassadors via the mailing lists.. Regards, > Bart > > Fedora Ambassador - Belgium > > 2007/4/6, Damien Durand : > > Morning all, > > > > An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this > contract > > must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not the case, > the > > ambassador will be considered inactive. > > > > Regards, > > > > Damien > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > -- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Regards : Rajesh Pandey Kathmandu University Kathmandu University Computer Club Kathmandu University Open Source Community http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RajeshPandey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 15:19:01 2007 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:19:01 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Message-ID: <1175872741.5743.3.camel@lincoln> On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 11:21 +0200, Damien Durand wrote: > Morning all, > > An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this > contract must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not > the case, the ambassador will be considered inactive. Ugh, sounds like more red-tape to keep people from joining. What damage is being done by having inactive people? /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What damage is being done by having inactive people? /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nb at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 15:55:10 2007 From: nb at fedoraproject.org (Nicholas E. Bebout) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:55:10 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: <46166D5E.5000305@fedoraproject.org> +1 I agree, someone mentioned this earlier, what does it hurt to have inactive people. Maybe their job, etc. is keeping them busy but they intend on becoming more active later. Nick Brian Pepple wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 11:21 +0200, Damien Durand wrote: > >> Morning all, >> >> An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this >> contract must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not >> the case, the ambassador will be considered inactive. >> > > Ugh, sounds like more red-tape to keep people from joining. What damage > is being done by having inactive people? > > /B > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 17:58:21 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:58:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> With Sankarshan idea we don't take care of inactive ambassador, we will, only, mark active people who work. Regards Francesco Ugolini Brian Pepple ha scritto: > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 11:21 +0200, Damien Durand wrote: >> Morning all, >> >> An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this >> contract must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not >> the case, the ambassador will be considered inactive. > > Ugh, sounds like more red-tape to keep people from joining. What damage > is being done by having inactive people? > > /B > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 18:00:52 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:00:52 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <644c0c0b0704060355n3e62744tdb421ebfffea89e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46168AD4.50703@fedoraproject.org> I do this every Wednesday. Regards Francesco Ugolini p.s. If someone prefer to receive the Meeting reminder mail personally, please tell me, I'll add you in the send list. Rajesh Pandey ha scritto: > > > On 4/6/07, *Bart De Soete* > wrote: > > +1 for the idea of establishing contracts, renewal every year. > Honored Ambassadors don't need contracts perhaps? > > > The elite Ambassadors may also renew the contracts. Since they are already active.. and it is a signal for being active .. > That would be a better idea.. > > +1 for the idea.. > and *About the irc meetings* > I know that the meeting details are found in the inside > fedoraproject wiki page > how ever it would be better that somebody mail the meetings date before > the meetings starts like Thomas Canniot > does before every french meetings. > May be the first one who updates the meeting/ visits the meeting wiki > page would remind the other ambassadors via the mailing lists.. > > > > Regards, > Bart > > Fedora Ambassador - Belgium > > 2007/4/6, Damien Durand >: > > Morning all, > > > > An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this > contract > > must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not the > case, the > > ambassador will be considered inactive. > > > > Regards, > > > > Damien > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Regards : Rajesh Pandey > Kathmandu University > Kathmandu University Computer Club > Kathmandu University Open Source Community > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RajeshPandey > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Apr 6 18:09:13 2007 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:09:13 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070406200913.0d89fcc9@localhost.localdomain> Le Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:58:21 +0200, Francesco Ugolini a ?crit : > With Sankarshan idea we don't take care of inactive ambassador, we > will, only, mark active people who work. > As long as active ambassasors report regularly their activities, you don't need to mark them. As long as inactive ambassadors are not showing their activities, they can be considered as inactive. But what for ? I think that it is a waste of time to mark and unmark people to know who is or who isn't. We have better things to do. Cheers, Thomas Canniot From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 18:41:20 2007 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 19:58 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > With Sankarshan idea we don't take care of inactive ambassador, we will, > only, mark active people who work. How is this any different than marking inactive people? /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Started with Red Hat 8 and since then used SuSE, mandrake, Ubuntu along with Redhat/Fedora. Brief usage pattern: I have 1 desktop/server + 1 laptop running FC6 and another with Win 2000 + Ubuntu dual boot. - Now, I am a dedicated user for sure. 2. Before even joining the list I always voiced to people to use Linux. Showed them how can it benefits (Security/no virus) and how cool it is;). Free does not work here as in BD you can have all pirated software abandoned. I you buy one, you may be seen as fool. But whatever it is I have successfully converted quite a few people with my small strength and will continue to do so. 3. When I saw the Ambassador thing, I thought how cool it is, I can be one and went through all the steps. 4. But I never been in IRC meeting (my ISP blocks the IRC ports for security reason !!!!!). 5. Always go through the mailing list and read the mails, see whats going around. 6. I am kind of a shy guy, so making a presentation or something like that panics me. I am still not sure from all the dicussions (I have read the old long discussion which sent few weeks ago) whether its a bad thing to be inactive (I mean the way ACTIVE is defined). Do I bring any harm or problem. I am sorry being not that much active. Hope I made some sense here and thanks for reading my mail. Cheers, Imtiaz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wcervini at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 01:16:28 2007 From: wcervini at gmail.com (Walter Cervini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <46168AD4.50703@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <644c0c0b0704060355n3e62744tdb421ebfffea89e4@mail.gmail.com> <46168AD4.50703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175908588.26038.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Please, schedule my mail meeting reminder. Thank you El vie, 06-04-2007 a las 20:00 +0200, Francesco Ugolini escribi?: > I do this every Wednesday. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > p.s. If someone prefer to receive the Meeting reminder mail personally, > please tell me, I'll add you in the send list. > > Rajesh Pandey ha scritto: > > > > > > On 4/6/07, *Bart De Soete* > > wrote: > > > > +1 for the idea of establishing contracts, renewal every year. > > Honored Ambassadors don't need contracts perhaps? > > > > > > The elite Ambassadors may also renew the contracts. Since they are already active.. and it is a signal for being active .. > > That would be a better idea.. > > > > +1 for the idea.. > > and *About the irc meetings* > > I know that the meeting details are found in the inside > > fedoraproject wiki page > > how ever it would be better that somebody mail the meetings date before > > the meetings starts like Thomas Canniot > > does before every french meetings. > > May be the first one who updates the meeting/ visits the meeting wiki > > page would remind the other ambassadors via the mailing lists.. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Bart > > > > Fedora Ambassador - Belgium > > > > 2007/4/6, Damien Durand > >: > > > Morning all, > > > > > > An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this > > contract > > > must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not the > > case, the > > > ambassador will be considered inactive. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Damien > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > Regards : Rajesh Pandey > > Kathmandu University > > Kathmandu University Computer Club > > Kathmandu University Open Source Community > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RajeshPandey > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 7 09:54:21 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:54:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> Have you read the proposal (not the newest) ? When we talk about inactive people we don't talk about people that don't follow Mailing list or weekly meeting, we talk about people do nothing. I know that this thread is a little bit long but i encourage you to read some messages, because i have underlined this thing one a lot of time. Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. You aren't in this list, be sure. Regards Francesco Ugolini Imtiaz Rahi ha scritto: > Hi People, > > I am an ambassador from Bangladesh and can be defined as an inactive > ambassador as I have seen in the mailing list. > Let me add some food to your thoughts. > > 1. I love GNU/Linux. Have been using it for last 6 years. Last 3/4 years > more dedicated. Started with Red Hat 8 and since then used SuSE, > mandrake, Ubuntu along with Redhat/Fedora. > Brief usage pattern: > I have 1 desktop/server + 1 laptop running FC6 and another with Win 2000 > + Ubuntu dual boot. > - Now, I am a dedicated user for sure. > > 2. Before even joining the list I always voiced to people to use Linux. > Showed them how can it benefits (Security/no virus) and how cool it > is;). Free does not work here as in BD you can have all pirated software > abandoned. I you buy one, you may be seen as fool. > But whatever it is I have successfully converted quite a few people with > my small strength and will continue to do so. > > 3. When I saw the Ambassador thing, I thought how cool it is, I can be > one and went through all the steps. > > 4. But I never been in IRC meeting (my ISP blocks the IRC ports for > security reason !!!!!). > > 5. Always go through the mailing list and read the mails, see whats > going around. > > 6. I am kind of a shy guy, so making a presentation or something like > that panics me. > > I am still not sure from all the dicussions (I have read the old long > discussion which sent few weeks ago) whether its a bad thing to be > inactive (I mean the way ACTIVE is defined). Do I bring any harm or > problem. I am sorry being not that much active. > Hope I made some sense here and thanks for reading my mail. > > Cheers, > Imtiaz > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From Rau_A at web.de Sat Apr 7 09:59:48 2007 From: Rau_A at web.de (Andreas Rau) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:59:48 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <1175805743.3779.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <1175805743.3779.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1175939988.4750.55.camel@mainbrain> A BIG +1 Kind Regards, Andi Rau Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 22:42 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube: > sorry, .... > > I personally don't agree with you, in my eyes, that's not a usable way > to "rate" action of someone ... > > My English is not so good, indeed, and so I can't write for example 20 > arcticles per week. Now I#m a "bad" Ambassador? > > Hey ... > > this is my privacy! > > IN my work, at my job I can be rated, no doubt ... > But here as Ambassador it must be FUN to be ONE, it must make me HAPPY > to do something and not: > > oh, I have to upload a video to get more points to be awarded the next > time ... > > or something like that. > > We are somewhere on the "wooden way" to have Ambassadors more integrated > in Events, in FADs, ... > > I'm really sure the most of the people listet on the wike are as active > as they can and we have less than 10% of "black sheepes" (which only > uses the official status for their own profit). And now I like to say: > Let it be as it is! > > My opinion is with the whole discussion you all guys have been waked up > to remember what should our goals are and that we all want to work > together. We don't want to loose ONE person out of the people who want > to promote Fedora, but we did ... > We lost a couple of -in my eyes- important persons in the last few > month, and that's in my eyes a pity! > > Let's find a way to work much better together, to help the people MORE > to spread the word, not to blame anybody out ... > > Just my five cents > > Gerold > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 13:07 -0700 schrieb Tony Guntharp: > > There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without > > alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are doing > > so behind the scene. > > > > > > For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in > > development we award user points for users that contribute user > > generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a > > wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user > > gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user > > registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points > > awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as > > inactive. > > > > > > Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and > > contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you register > > and don't contribute. > > > > > > This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks to > > me of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own > > words make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action > > exemplifies this. > > > > > > If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then perhaps > > FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Awards > > and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 > > months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. > > > > > > I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was unable > > to attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a > > contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not > > careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. > > > > > > I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in > > it's current form. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > -t > > -- > > Tony Guntharp > > Co-Founder SourceForge.net > > fusion94 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > > > The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this > > > work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was > > > done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will > > > grant > > > them such recognition. > > > > > > > > > The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this > > > proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. > > > The > > > idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it > > > seems > > > not to be such. > > > > > > > > > I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping > > > someone will help me to solve this one. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > > Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: > > > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the > > > > > results are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 = 7 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -1 = 7 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this > > > > > proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing > > > > "passive" participants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be > > > > willing > > > > to fund it. > > > > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think this thread have given us more clear vision of Ambassadors role and responsibility, and i really appreciate people who take interest in this project and they are worried about its future, this is true that no body can give full time to this project as we all, at least most of us are full time employee and all we do is on volunteer basis, but still if we have taken a responsibility then we should give something to community. It is a good idea to tag Ambassadors inactive if they d'nt show any progress, it does not mean that this will take them away from Fedora Community , but it should be realize by them self that ok if we are not doing something for whole one year, at least i should put my self inactive, there is no harm to his feeling or attachment with the project. And we should not talk about the number , we should stick to quality of Ambassadors work. I know that this thread is a little bit long but i encourage you to read > some messages, because i have underlined this thing one a lot of time. > > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. You aren't > in this list, be sure. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Imtiaz Rahi ha scritto: > > Hi People, > > > > I am an ambassador from Bangladesh and can be defined as an inactive > > ambassador as I have seen in the mailing list. > > Let me add some food to your thoughts. > > > > 1. I love GNU/Linux. Have been using it for last 6 years. Last 3/4 years > > more dedicated. Started with Red Hat 8 and since then used SuSE, > > mandrake, Ubuntu along with Redhat/Fedora. > > Brief usage pattern: > > I have 1 desktop/server + 1 laptop running FC6 and another with Win 2000 > > + Ubuntu dual boot. > > - Now, I am a dedicated user for sure. > > > > 2. Before even joining the list I always voiced to people to use Linux. > > Showed them how can it benefits (Security/no virus) and how cool it > > is;). Free does not work here as in BD you can have all pirated software > > abandoned. I you buy one, you may be seen as fool. > > But whatever it is I have successfully converted quite a few people with > > my small strength and will continue to do so. > > > > 3. When I saw the Ambassador thing, I thought how cool it is, I can be > > one and went through all the steps. > > > > 4. But I never been in IRC meeting (my ISP blocks the IRC ports for > > security reason !!!!!). > > > > 5. Always go through the mailing list and read the mails, see whats > > going around. > > > > 6. I am kind of a shy guy, so making a presentation or something like > > that panics me. > > > > I am still not sure from all the dicussions (I have read the old long > > discussion which sent few weeks ago) whether its a bad thing to be > > inactive (I mean the way ACTIVE is defined). Do I bring any harm or > > problem. I am sorry being not that much active. > > Hope I made some sense here and thanks for reading my mail. > > > > Cheers, > > Imtiaz > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 7 17:30:34 2007 From: Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org (Bart De Soete) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:30:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704070906s2ce5db3eiba5d7ad80d052318@mail.gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704070906s2ce5db3eiba5d7ad80d052318@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <644c0c0b0704071030x3267426cu64dfd282cd9d0502@mail.gmail.com> I understood that I have to report the projects on Fedora. Most of my projects untill now are presenting Fedora (and Linux in general) to non-profit organisations, schools etc. If successfull I help and give advice with the implementation. Where do I have to report those projects and the progress? Marketing or Ambassadors? Regards, -- --- Bart De Soete, Fedora Ambassador ? Belgium From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 7 18:30:15 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:30:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <644c0c0b0704071030x3267426cu64dfd282cd9d0502@mail.gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704070906s2ce5db3eiba5d7ad80d052318@mail.gmail.com> <644c0c0b0704071030x3267426cu64dfd282cd9d0502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4617E337.2030807@fedoraproject.org> You have to report as Ambassador. I'm working to create a new page where people could report what they have done. Regards Francesco Ugolini Bart De Soete ha scritto: > I understood that I have to report the projects on Fedora. > Most of my projects untill now are presenting Fedora (and Linux in > general) to non-profit organisations, schools etc. If successfull I > help and give advice with the implementation. > Where do I have to report those projects and the progress? > Marketing or Ambassadors? > > Regards, > > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From david at gnsa.us Sat Apr 7 18:57:14 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:57:14 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <4617E337.2030807@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704070906s2ce5db3eiba5d7ad80d052318@mail.gmail.com> <644c0c0b0704071030x3267426cu64dfd282cd9d0502@mail.gmail.com> <4617E337.2030807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4617E98A.5000807@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Francesco, I don't mean to argue or belabor the point, but I see 'reporting' nowhere detailed as a responsibility of an Ambassador (I searched the following pages) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct If there is such a responsibility, I surely fall short. I can understand reporting for things like Linuxtag, FUDCONs etc. They are large, and are of interest to others because they might want to replicate. Should we be reporting giving talks to 20-30 people? In the past 12 months, I have given perhaps 4 presentations to LUGs, community groups, etc about Fedora, OSS/Linux, etc. I have also organized and put on Installfests, and helped with other Ambassadors presentations. I guess it gets back to the point of, how does reporting help us achieve our aims: # Represent Fedora Project to the wider public # Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source # Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the feedback to Fedora Project # Help recruit project contributors # Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region Perhaps to justify our existence. Perhaps to help others make presentations or to see how to better organize a large conference. But do we really want to flood the mailing list with 'I talked with this guy who works with me about Fedora today, our convesation went like this: ......' Or even the LUG-level presentations. Does it help us, or does it merely add administrative overhead? I freely admit that I may not see the entire picture, and really would be interested in knowing if there is a justification for that specific a level of reporting. I just searched fedoraprojet.org and aside from project-level reports, I only see large event reports, like FOSDEM, FUDCon, etc. Some of those reports are interesting - Thomas Canniot's report on AREL focuses on some needs - - like videos to attract people to the booth. So we have these reports, and notes on things that could be done better, but what have we done with them. Other than the OpenVideo contest, I dont see any videos for Fedora that try and attract end users (there are some howto videos). So even the efficacy of reporting is a question in my mind. Francesco Ugolini wrote: > You have to report as Ambassador. I'm working to create a new page where > people could report what they have done. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Bart De Soete ha scritto: >> I understood that I have to report the projects on Fedora. >> Most of my projects untill now are presenting Fedora (and Linux in >> general) to non-profit organisations, schools etc. If successfull I >> help and give advice with the implementation. >> Where do I have to report those projects and the progress? >> Marketing or Ambassadors? >> >> Regards, >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGF+mJkZOYj+cNI1cRAmvxAJ9YWhlmiTtRbSk5hakO/9LR1iLoUQCghVwP dL4UGfMW+d+sYCeyKsAPh7o= =TLT+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 7 19:16:17 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:16:17 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <4617E98A.5000807@gnsa.us> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704070906s2ce5db3eiba5d7ad80d052318@mail.gmail.com> <644c0c0b0704071030x3267426cu64dfd282cd9d0502@mail.gmail.com> <4617E337.2030807@fedoraproject.org> <4617E98A.5000807@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <4617EE01.6010802@fedoraproject.org> It's true: the questions regard report it's not simple, there a lot of pros and a lot of cons, the main problem is how to improve the communication between ambassadors. We are different from developer that have "just tested tools". We are the first ambassadors project, so we have to challenge the problem directly, lively. I started this discussion trying to find the solution. I think it can be found by the community and i trust in this one. Regards Francesco Ugolini David Nalley ha scritto: > Hi Francesco, > > I don't mean to argue or belabor the point, but I see 'reporting' > nowhere detailed as a responsibility of an Ambassador > (I searched the following pages) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct > > If there is such a responsibility, I surely fall short. I can understand > reporting for things like Linuxtag, FUDCONs etc. They are large, and are > of interest to others because they might want to replicate. Should we be > reporting giving talks to 20-30 people? In the past 12 months, I have > given perhaps 4 presentations to LUGs, community groups, etc about > Fedora, OSS/Linux, etc. I have also organized and put on Installfests, > and helped with other Ambassadors presentations. I guess it gets back to > the point of, how does reporting help us achieve our aims: > > # Represent Fedora Project to the wider public > # Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source > # Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the > feedback to Fedora Project > # Help recruit project contributors > # Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region > > Perhaps to justify our existence. Perhaps to help others make > presentations or to see how to better organize a large conference. But > do we really want to flood the mailing list with 'I talked with this guy > who works with me about Fedora today, our convesation went like this: > ......' Or even the LUG-level presentations. Does it help us, or does it > merely add administrative overhead? I freely admit that I may not see > the entire picture, and really would be interested in knowing if there > is a justification for that specific a level of reporting. I just > searched fedoraprojet.org and aside from project-level reports, I only > see large event reports, like FOSDEM, FUDCon, etc. Some of those reports > are interesting - Thomas Canniot's report on AREL focuses on some needs > - like videos to attract people to the booth. So we have these reports, > and notes on things that could be done better, but what have we done > with them. Other than the OpenVideo contest, I dont see any videos for > Fedora that try and attract end users (there are some howto videos). So > even the efficacy of reporting is a question in my mind. > > > > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> You have to report as Ambassador. I'm working to create a new page where >> people could report what they have done. > >> Regards > >> Francesco Ugolini > >> Bart De Soete ha scritto: >>> I understood that I have to report the projects on Fedora. >>> Most of my projects untill now are presenting Fedora (and Linux in >>> general) to non-profit organisations, schools etc. If successfull I >>> help and give advice with the implementation. >>> Where do I have to report those projects and the progress? >>> Marketing or Ambassadors? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Sun Apr 8 00:08:14 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting In-Reply-To: <1175939988.4750.55.camel@mainbrain> References: <4615300F.5020407@fedoraproject.org> <1175795582.3978.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <46153F05.8040203@fedoraproject.org> <46154C31.6060700@fedoraproject.org> <6B4D2F9D-C5E9-4500-A4EF-87FA3CE6C49E@gmail.com> <1175805743.3779.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <1175939988.4750.55.camel@mainbrain> Message-ID: <1175990894.2906.5.camel@trauco> El s?b, 07-04-2007 a las 11:59 +0200, Andreas Rau escribi?: > A BIG +1 > > Kind Regards, > Andi Rau > > Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 22:42 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube: > > sorry, .... > > > > I personally don't agree with you, in my eyes, that's not a usable way > > to "rate" action of someone ... > > > > My English is not so good, indeed, and so I can't write for example 20 > > arcticles per week. Now I#m a "bad" Ambassador? > > No, but some ambassadors are inactive and we can't not have them for a event, for example. I thinks in a volunteer Active/Inactive status. For example if have much work then put in Inactive, when have little work, put Active again. > > Hey ... > > > > this is my privacy! > > > > IN my work, at my job I can be rated, no doubt ... > > But here as Ambassador it must be FUN to be ONE, it must make me HAPPY > > to do something and not: > > > > oh, I have to upload a video to get more points to be awarded the next > > time ... > > > > or something like that. > > > > We are somewhere on the "wooden way" to have Ambassadors more integrated > > in Events, in FADs, ... > > > > I'm really sure the most of the people listet on the wike are as active > > as they can and we have less than 10% of "black sheepes" (which only > > uses the official status for their own profit). And now I like to say: > > Let it be as it is! > > > > My opinion is with the whole discussion you all guys have been waked up > > to remember what should our goals are and that we all want to work > > together. We don't want to loose ONE person out of the people who want > > to promote Fedora, but we did ... > > We lost a couple of -in my eyes- important persons in the last few > > month, and that's in my eyes a pity! > > > > Let's find a way to work much better together, to help the people MORE > > to spread the word, not to blame anybody out ... > > > > Just my five cents > > > > Gerold > > > > > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 13:07 -0700 schrieb Tony Guntharp: > > > There are other ways that can reward more active ambassadors without > > > alienating those that are working towards the same goals but are doing > > > so behind the scene. > > > > > > > > > For example, on several social networking sites that I've assisted in > > > development we award user points for users that contribute user > > > generated content. A uploaded video file might be worth 5 points, a > > > wiki-entry might be worth 3, etc etc. At certain point totals a user > > > gets a title awarded to him befitting his accomplishments. If a user > > > registers for the site and doesn't contribute he doesn't get points > > > awarded but on the other hand we don't delete him or mark him as > > > inactive. > > > > > > > > > Digg works much the same way, anyone can register for Digg and > > > contribute stories etc. But they don't take any action if you register > > > and don't contribute. > > > > > > > > > This whole proposal of marking an Ambassador Active/Inactive reeks to > > > me of punishment. That may not have been your intention but your own > > > words make a strong case for this. Using terms like punitive action > > > exemplifies this. > > > > > > > > > If you're really trying to give active Ambassadors credit then perhaps > > > FAMSco should revisit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Awards > > > and hand out these recognition award more than twice in the past 12 > > > months. Perhaps make this a quarterly award. > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing that due to the votes that were cast today (I was unable > > > to attend and cast my vote unfortunately) that this is going to be a > > > contested issue that is already drawing up lines and if we're not > > > careful could damage the Ambassador Program in general. > > > > > > > > > I for one will gladly leave the program if this resolution passes in > > > it's current form. > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > -t > > > -- > > > Tony Guntharp > > > Co-Founder SourceForge.net > > > fusion94 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > > > > > The proposal want to give active ambassador the recognition for this > > > > work, and the simplest way to award a work is to recognize what was > > > > done, in this sense, giving the status of active ambassador will > > > > grant > > > > them such recognition. > > > > > > > > > > > > The question i ask myself is: Why people who work are against this > > > > proposal? It's really a punitive action? Sincerely, I don't know. > > > > The > > > > idea behind my proposal want only to award working people, but it > > > > seems > > > > not to be such. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I've to reflect over this problem during this night, hoping > > > > someone will help me to solve this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg Dekoenigsberg ha scritto: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the first draft (we have two more weeks to discuss) the > > > > > > results are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 = 7 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -1 = 7 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This vote say an important thing: we have to work more on this > > > > > > proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First: if it's not unanimous, we don't have the right idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second: focus on rewarding "active" participants, not penalizing > > > > > "passive" participants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third: if you decide that an "award" is the right thing, we'd be > > > > > willing > > > > > to fund it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales [linuxuser:#384391] Embajador Fedora - Chile sip:gotencool at ekiga.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas From guillermo.gomez at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 14:20:20 2007 From: guillermo.gomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Guillermo_G=F3mez?=) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:20:20 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461003FC.2000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <63a901070704080720x2c443fcbs8751e5db0623c689@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, i tried to follow this thread and i have to say beforehand i did not read all the emails, but read a lot of them and here follows my words about it. I raised this same issue some time ago and my motivation then was not about who does what and when, or who does reports or not, or about recognition, it was about communication, it was about communicating with fedora people. Potential Fedora users might look into the ambassadors list of his country and then write them an email, then if the ambassador does not repply, maybe because he's "inactive" ambassador, that might represent a bad image of the general community of fedora ambassadors. At that time there were no perfect solution to this issue and it remains as it is. The other big thing i can see is that making a large global community, it also makes harder for ambassadors to communicate with each other in other regions/languages as the community grows. Language is one thing and so i did start some efforts to regionalize with some success. Not every ambassador should write or speak fluidly english, certainly it helps in order to communicate with the larger english-spoken fedora community, but it also means that the rest of the world is excluded by definition and the other small/medium sizes fedora communities shadowed, worst, eclipsed. Ive talked to famsco people some times, and they have urged me to make more noise so our community get visibility, and they are "right", but i do prefer to work on fedora instead of investing my time crying for attention. Building regionals fedora ambassador communities who communicates with FAMSCO regularly could make easier for others to join the project in all the world, and such, make a large impact on promoting Fedora which is one of our goals, isnt it? That would be more a pyramid-like organization instead of flat. Flat sounds nice, but in this context flat also means exclusion. I believe we have in latin-america a growing ambassador community (spanish and portuguese) which actually communicates much better between each other than with FAMSCO, that is just natural to happen. Building this organization can improve the whole project and it's not meant to divide, but just to recognize there are differences and that there not such thing as global without regions. If we want to succeed globally, we must succeed locally. Following up whose active or not would be much easier for local smaller groups, and in general i do agree we have to do some housekeeping, not because of recognitions, or lack of reports, or not attending irc meetings, or not a frequent flyer on the list, but because there are people outside that needs a reliable community to talk to. On 4/1/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > I know that it isn't an happy discussion but it's necessary to solve > this BIG problem: Many ambassadors are inactive both in real world and > virtually (M-L, weekly meetings etc...). > > I think we have to find a solution and my proposal is this one: > > - After a year of inactivity an Ambassador will be marked Inactive (in > both personal and global ambassadors pages). > > - If he will do anything for six month after he will be marked inactive > he/she will be deleted from AccountSystem and Ambassadors Mailing List. > > At the moment of the subscription an advice will alert new member of > this condition. > > The Ambassador that server for two years (or virtually and really (both > are required) the Project will be nominated to be Honored Ambassadors. > Naturally only the members chose by FAmSCo will receive this status. > > - Every year FAmSCo will nominate no more than 7 Honored Ambassadors > from community and 3 from RedHat employers that will feed the requirement. > > - The difference with the normal Ambassador is that Honored Ambassadors > will be permanent ambassadors. > > This is my proposal, now we have to discuss about this one. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Ing.Guillermo Gomez S. http://fedora.gomix.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Mon Apr 9 12:19:27 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <1175872741.5743.3.camel@lincoln> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.3.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Brian Pepple wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 11:21 +0200, Damien Durand wrote: >> Morning all, >> >> An idea for solving this problem is to etablish a contract, this >> contract must be renewed every years by all ambassadors, if it is not >> the case, the ambassador will be considered inactive. > > Ugh, sounds like more red-tape to keep people from joining. What damage > is being done by having inactive people? Yep. Pardon me for shouting, but I feel like I'm not being heard. MORE RED TAPE IS BAD. MORE BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATION ARE BAD. I see the importance of recognizing our best ambassadors. Let's focus on that. *Please* don't create bureaucracy and "contracts" and such where no need for them exists. Please? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From gdk at redhat.com Mon Apr 9 12:26:50 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. Why? Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be someone who does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to people, "we don't want you, go away." My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and FAMSCO drums them out. ===== So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 12:35:57 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:05:57 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.3.camel@lincoln> Message-ID: <461A332D.6030301@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > I see the importance of recognizing our best ambassadors. Let's focus > on that. *Please* don't create bureaucracy and "contracts" and such > where no need for them exists. Please? Or, we start talking about what forms the rewards can take (some extra schwag to spread around or funds for generating schwag locally perhaps) - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGjMtXQZpNTcrCzMRAhP7AJsGsIazrWS1fPp34zBWGEMXhkNJOwCgg05s b60RWtQT5urgO1WDTgf4Zvc= =Ah9V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 12:41:25 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:11:25 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461A3475.60307@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to > people, "we don't want you, go away." +1 We don't want to spread bad love during times when good love is hard to come by. > My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a > Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an > ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and > FAMSCO drums them out. Agreed - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGjR1XQZpNTcrCzMRAp4KAKCon48KRQ3eoQRYPZW6wqH25Y2B5ACcCu1A FncPzZvanRHX4o7Y3srXU/I= =FyDU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Apr 9 12:47:05 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:47:05 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <200704052212.l35MC4fn026784@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1176122825.11917.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 08:26 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs > > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. > > Why? > > Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? > And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be someone who > does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for > "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? > > The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to > people, "we don't want you, go away." > > My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a > Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an > ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and > FAMSCO drums them out. > > ===== > > So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? > > Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? > > Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? > > What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? > > --g +1 to Greg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are starting our speechs and spread next april 13th in 3 universities, we will be part of FLISOL in buenos aires (the latinamerican install fest) and i am going to FISL (POA Brazil) this week to give some talk and unite efforts with Fedora Project Brazil. Even our work is slow and "step by step" we are becoming in the first Linux community university oriented, focused in results (non politics, no GNU fanatism, OSI oriented work) Send u greetings from Buenos Aires -- Pablo Barrera http://fedoraproject.org/Wiki/PabloBarrera pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar El Vie, 6 de Abril de 2007, 5:49 pm, Imtiaz Rahi escribi?: > Hi People, > > I am an ambassador from Bangladesh and can be defined as an inactive > ambassador as I have seen in the mailing list. > Let me add some food to your thoughts. > > 1. I love GNU/Linux. Have been using it for last 6 years. Last 3/4 years > more dedicated. Started with Red Hat 8 and since then used SuSE, mandrake, > Ubuntu along with Redhat/Fedora. > Brief usage pattern: > I have 1 desktop/server + 1 laptop running FC6 and another with Win 2000 + > Ubuntu dual boot. > - Now, I am a dedicated user for sure. > > 2. Before even joining the list I always voiced to people to use Linux. > Showed them how can it benefits (Security/no virus) and how cool it is;). > Free does not work here as in BD you can have all pirated software > abandoned. I you buy one, you may be seen as fool. > But whatever it is I have successfully converted quite a few people with > my > small strength and will continue to do so. > > 3. When I saw the Ambassador thing, I thought how cool it is, I can be one > and went through all the steps. > > 4. But I never been in IRC meeting (my ISP blocks the IRC ports for > security > reason !!!!!). > > 5. Always go through the mailing list and read the mails, see whats going > around. > > 6. I am kind of a shy guy, so making a presentation or something like that > panics me. > > I am still not sure from all the dicussions (I have read the old long > discussion which sent few weeks ago) whether its a bad thing to be > inactive > (I mean the way ACTIVE is defined). Do I bring any harm or problem. I am > sorry being not that much active. > Hope I made some sense here and thanks for reading my mail. > > Cheers, > Imtiaz > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 9 18:03:55 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs > > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. > > Why? > > Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? > And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be someone who > does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for > "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? > > The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to > people, "we don't want you, go away." > > My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a > Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an > ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and > FAMSCO drums them out. > > ===== > > So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? > > Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? > > Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? > > What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? > > --g > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" All, I'm sorry I was away from this whole discussion. It's time for me to step in stop this once for all. Yes, Greg is *absolutely* correct. This entire discussion is not helping our project but tearing us apart. I even noticed some of us planning to leave the project because this discussion. I *urge* you stop this non-productive proposal and I would to hear more productive ideas. Please consider this is my last call to end this discussion. Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Chair -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From justinbisted at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 20:48:43 2007 From: justinbisted at gmail.com (Justin M Bisted) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:48:43 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> Hey thanks Thomas for stepping in on this You know we all know this is a big deal and none of use want to be kicked out but if this is a real issue and fedora really wants to do this inactive thing then we should figure something out so we all can figure out what we want to do instead of freeking out Any thoughts?? Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/9/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> >> > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs >> > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. >> >> Why? >> >> Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? >> And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be >> someone who >> does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for >> "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? >> >> The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to >> people, "we don't want you, go away." >> >> My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a >> Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an >> ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and >> FAMSCO drums them out. >> >> ===== >> >> So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? >> >> Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? >> >> Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? >> >> What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? >> >> --g >> >> -- >> Greg DeKoenigsberg >> Community Development Manager >> Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 >> "To whomsoever much hath been given... >> ...from him much shall be asked" > > > All, > > I'm sorry I was away from this whole discussion. > It's time for me to step in stop this once for all. > > Yes, Greg is *absolutely* correct. This entire discussion is not > helping our project but tearing us apart. I even noticed some of us > planning to leave the project because this discussion. > > I *urge* you stop this non-productive proposal and I would to hear > more productive ideas. > Please consider this is my last call to end this discussion. > > Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Chair From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 06:31:07 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:31:07 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FC5 Media Clearance Message-ID: <369bce3b0704092331l79ab582eyc050ce500c2ab295@mail.gmail.com> All, I have about 70 x86 FC5 (Yes, Fedora Core 5 not 6) DVDs in my inventory and I would like to distribute them among our Ambassadors. If you believe you could use some of these FC5 DVDs, please send me your shipping address in private email. I'll ship 5 x86 FC5 DVDs in Global Priority Mail Small Envelope. Make sure to use "FC5 Media Clearance - Your Wiki Name" for subject in your email. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 09:40:47 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:40:47 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461B5B9F.8020209@fedoraproject.org> Sorry but i disagree completely. I see for the first time a lot of people joining the discussion, i see 30 people join the weekly meeting, i see things change and people discussing productively about the future of our project. If you want to close the discussion, ok, do that, you have the power, but remember that discussion interest many people, and if we want to stop this, to re-start the Welcome ambassador or just discuss media coverage, ok, no problem. I think that in the last 2 weeks all ambassadors work a lot, they spend a lot of time trying to find a solution, to approve or criticize this proposal. But, if you want to close this, no problem. I've tried to make this community live, to demonstrate that we are here, and i see it's true. For me is a personal defeat, i have to be sincere, i spent a lot of time trying to find a common solution, trying to explain people what we were discussing, but, ok, if you want to close this discussion, you are free to make this. Thomas Chung ha scritto: > On 4/9/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> >> > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs >> > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. >> >> Why? >> >> Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? >> And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be someone >> who >> does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for >> "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? >> >> The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to >> people, "we don't want you, go away." >> >> My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a >> Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an >> ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and >> FAMSCO drums them out. >> >> ===== >> >> So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? >> >> Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? >> >> Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? >> >> What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? >> >> --g >> >> -- >> Greg DeKoenigsberg >> Community Development Manager >> Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 >> "To whomsoever much hath been given... >> ...from him much shall be asked" > > > All, > > I'm sorry I was away from this whole discussion. > It's time for me to step in stop this once for all. > > Yes, Greg is *absolutely* correct. This entire discussion is not > helping our project but tearing us apart. I even noticed some of us > planning to leave the project because this discussion. > > I *urge* you stop this non-productive proposal and I would to hear > more productive ideas. > Please consider this is my last call to end this discussion. > > Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Chair -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 09:43:33 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:43:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <461B5C45.3000608@fedoraproject.org> Sorry, but first to say such things read all the 80s or more posts. I never say kick of people. If you have read the last proposal we talked only to mark active, people who work, no more. So .... Justin M Bisted ha scritto: > Hey thanks Thomas for stepping in on this > > You know we all know this is a big deal and none of use want to be > kicked out but if this is a real issue and fedora really wants to do > this inactive thing then we should figure something out so we all can > figure out what we want to do instead of freeking out > > Any thoughts?? > > > > > Thomas Chung wrote: >> On 4/9/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> >>> > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs >>> > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? >>> And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be >>> someone who >>> does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for >>> "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? >>> >>> The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to >>> people, "we don't want you, go away." >>> >>> My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a >>> Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an >>> ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and >>> FAMSCO drums them out. >>> >>> ===== >>> >>> So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? >>> >>> Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? >>> >>> Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? >>> >>> What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? >>> >>> --g >>> >>> -- >>> Greg DeKoenigsberg >>> Community Development Manager >>> Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 >>> "To whomsoever much hath been given... >>> ...from him much shall be asked" >> >> >> All, >> >> I'm sorry I was away from this whole discussion. >> It's time for me to step in stop this once for all. >> >> Yes, Greg is *absolutely* correct. This entire discussion is not >> helping our project but tearing us apart. I even noticed some of us >> planning to leave the project because this discussion. >> >> I *urge* you stop this non-productive proposal and I would to hear >> more productive ideas. >> Please consider this is my last call to end this discussion. >> >> Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Chair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 09:53:15 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:53:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <461B5E8B.9000803@fedoraproject.org> Sorry, a question, where do you have read this thing ? In this list we don't talk about fire people who work spreading fedora everywhere. We don't talk about fire people who work for fedora. I never dream to propose such thing. Where have you seen "fire people who in real word work promoting fedora" ? I don't know my English is the worst English of the world, but to say a thing or to say another there is a giant difference. Justin M Bisted ha scritto: > Hey thanks Thomas for stepping in on this > > You know we all know this is a big deal and none of use want to be > kicked out but if this is a real issue and fedora really wants to do > this inactive thing then we should figure something out so we all can > figure out what we want to do instead of freeking out > > Any thoughts?? > > > > > Thomas Chung wrote: >> On 4/9/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >>> >>> > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs >>> > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? >>> And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be >>> someone who >>> does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for >>> "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? >>> >>> The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to >>> people, "we don't want you, go away." >>> >>> My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a >>> Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an >>> ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and >>> FAMSCO drums them out. >>> >>> ===== >>> >>> So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? >>> >>> Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? >>> >>> Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? >>> >>> What are we trying to accomplish with the active/inactive proposal? >>> >>> --g >>> >>> -- >>> Greg DeKoenigsberg >>> Community Development Manager >>> Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 >>> "To whomsoever much hath been given... >>> ...from him much shall be asked" >> >> >> All, >> >> I'm sorry I was away from this whole discussion. >> It's time for me to step in stop this once for all. >> >> Yes, Greg is *absolutely* correct. This entire discussion is not >> helping our project but tearing us apart. I even noticed some of us >> planning to leave the project because this discussion. >> >> I *urge* you stop this non-productive proposal and I would to hear >> more productive ideas. >> Please consider this is my last call to end this discussion. >> >> Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Chair > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Tue Apr 10 09:54:40 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:54:40 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <461B5B9F.8020209@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461B5B9F.8020209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1176198880.26651.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 11:40 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Sorry but i disagree completely. I see for the first time a lot of > people joining the discussion, i see 30 people join the weekly meeting, > i see things change and people discussing productively about the future > of our project. Francesco. Do you really think so? I do not. In 95% of all the mails people were discussing about your original or slightly different proposal(s). And I joined the IRC meeting not because I found the (empty) agenda so interesting but because you declared that there will be a formal voting. Did this bring the productivity forward? Certainly not. So, I completely agree with Thomas. We should end _this thread_. Of course this does not mean to end the discussion about motivating existing but maybe inactive ambassadors. Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz Fedora Ambassador matthias.kranz at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatthiasKranz From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 10:05:44 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:05:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <1176198880.26651.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461B5B9F.8020209@fedoraproject.org> <1176198880.26651.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <461B6178.7070607@fedoraproject.org> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule First: Here you can find the agenda. Second: many people, many ideas, many proposal. I think it's a good think, better than have 1 million of people say the same things. Third: From the first proposal we are arrived to write many other drafts, that you can find chronologically, in the list archive. And, at last, if Thomas want to close the thread for me is not a problem. I say only that I've lost three weeks trying to improve our community. Matthias Kranz ha scritto: > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 11:40 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> Sorry but i disagree completely. I see for the first time a lot of >> people joining the discussion, i see 30 people join the weekly meeting, >> i see things change and people discussing productively about the future >> of our project. > > Francesco. > > Do you really think so? I do not. In 95% of all the mails people were > discussing about your original or slightly different proposal(s). > > And I joined the IRC meeting not because I found the (empty) agenda so > interesting but because you declared that there will be a formal voting. > > Did this bring the productivity forward? Certainly not. > > So, I completely agree with Thomas. We should end _this thread_. Of > course this does not mean to end the discussion about motivating > existing but maybe inactive ambassadors. > > Cheers, > Matthias -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 10:09:57 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:09:57 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175872741.5743.4.camel@lincoln> <46168A3D.60701@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <461B6275.6080707@fedoraproject.org> >From Wikipedia: "The word community comes from the Latin communis, meaning "common, public, shared by all or many."[1] The Latin term "communitatus" from which the English word "community" comes, is comprised of three elements, "Com-" - a Latin prefix meaning with or together, "-Munis-" - ultimately Proto-Indo-European in origin, it has been suggested that it means "the changes or exchanges that link" (Both municipal and monetary take their meaning here), and "-tatus" a Latin suffix suggesting diminutive, small, intimate or local." Together is the "leit motif" of my proposal, i want to underline this thing know to destroy all the legend behind this proposal. My proposal want to demonstrate that we stay together, we share our ideas and opinion. And, sorry if i misunderstood, but Fedora Ambassadors list is the list where we can discuss about ideas, problems etc... But, it's not important now. I know many people are feared by this proposal but i don't know why, because i never say to fire someone, kill another etc... I talk about a proposal to re-create the community. If we work together we work better. That's my motto. ........ Now, Thomas has decided to close this discussion and i have to follow his order. Hoping this discussion had something good, hoping people will continue to work as they are doing Francesco Ugolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 10:14:16 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:14:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora European Infrastructure - 2nd try In-Reply-To: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <2afa92000703261445y6d074358k361d692ae58173ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461B6378.8090709@fedoraproject.org> > Mirjam W?ckerlin ha scritto: > > The question if FEI should be a legal entity: personally, I wouldn't > like it, because FEI is not there for doing bureaucratic tasks. Yes, i agree. We have to focus more on promoting Fedora and working with people. Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 11:29:46 2007 From: imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com (Imtiaz Rahi) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:29:46 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: <461B6275.6080707@fedoraproject.org> References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <1175884880.17698.1.camel@lincoln> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> <461B6275.6080707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Hi All, I think Francesco wants to see a vibrant community where things are moving, people are having discussions in open mind and at the end they are achieving for which they can be proud of. So, he wanted to shake people up not off. This Fedora ambassador project is new kind where things are not matured yet, like how things can be done, how people will contribute. This community is still learning, whereas in Marketing, Infrastructure they quite know what and how things to do. But he touched a sensitive issue which made some people scare, even me. I have not yet figured out how can I do things here in BD where things are quite different. I also liked and agree totally where Greg said. "My $0.02: once somebody says 'I am a Fedora ambassador,' then they are a Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say 'no thanks, I'm not an ambassador anymore,' or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and FAMSCO drums them out." Yet it does not answer Francesco's dilemma / question, how to make the community more vibrant and figure out the active ones. I think here he has to accept that he will have continue to work with the most active ones. But I can't more emphasize more that sometimes we will have to give buzz to those apparently inactive ones and I believe they will try to do something when communication is made to them and at the end add more value to the ambassador community. And at the last, when Thomas said, he wanted to see this discussion stop. He means not to see this group getting fragmented by any discussion which hurts people. But alas any such discussion will hurt some people but it is the positive mind who will wake and say its not negative, I have learn something here and use it in future. Also, when we have a leader (here Thomas) we must follow what he has asked for and not to do anything destructive. Cheers, Imtiaz On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > >From Wikipedia: "The word community comes from the Latin communis, > meaning "common, public, shared by all or many."[1] The Latin term > "communitatus" from which the English word "community" comes, is > comprised of three elements, "Com-" - a Latin prefix meaning with > or together, "-Munis-" - ultimately Proto-Indo-European in origin, > it has been suggested that it means "the changes or exchanges that > link" (Both municipal and monetary take their meaning here), and > "-tatus" a Latin suffix suggesting diminutive, small, intimate or local." > > Together is the "leit motif" of my proposal, i want to underline this > thing know to destroy all the legend behind this proposal. My proposal > want to demonstrate that we stay together, we share our ideas and > opinion. And, sorry if i misunderstood, but Fedora Ambassadors list is > the list where we can discuss about ideas, problems etc... But, it's not > important now. I know many people are feared by this proposal but i > don't know why, because i never say to fire someone, kill another etc... > I talk about a proposal to re-create the community. If we work together > we work better. That's my motto. ........ > > Now, Thomas has decided to close this discussion and i have to follow > his order. > > Hoping this discussion had something good, hoping people will continue > to work as they are doing > > Francesco Ugolini > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 16:28:02 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:28:02 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Clarification Message-ID: <461BBB12.4010300@fedoraproject.org> With this message I want to clarify my position over Fedora Active/Inactive status. Please don't reply to this, just read it. Thank you My proposal born to improve the communication between Ambassadors, because i thought (and i think) that if we are together we can work better. I don't want to fire someone and i don't want to do something unclear or undemocratic. What I've proposed, i know, sounded as a radical strategy, but, at the beginning, intentionally, i do this to focus the attention over the topic. Many of us misunderstood (and I'm guilty) my words, i didn't want to fear people, i would only to start a discussion all together, to know your ideas and opinions to work better each others, and to understand what people would. Now, we have to focus on next challenges, like the new Fedora 7, Events (e.g. LinuxTag), FEI and Fedora Talking Points. Sorry if i used your time for this issue, i hope this discussion could be useful. Best regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 17:55:17 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:55:17 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> All, We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 14:00 UTC. ( I think It's 14:00 UTC for next meeting. Can anyone firm this?) Please check your local time in our meeting page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 Also please type in your meeting agenda in the "Agenda" section. It's been a while but I'll lead the meeting this time. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 18:08:50 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:08:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). Regards Francesco Ugolini Thomas Chung ha scritto: > All, > > We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 14:00 UTC. > > ( I think It's 14:00 UTC for next meeting. Can anyone firm this?) > > Please check your local time in our meeting page. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 > > Also please type in your meeting agenda in the "Agenda" section. > > It's been a while but I'll lead the meeting this time. > > Regards, -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 18:40:12 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:40:12 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? Please check your local time from our meeting page and let me know. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings If 21:00 UTC more convenient, we'll make this official meeting time from now on. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fabian.affolter at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 18:42:07 2007 From: fabian.affolter at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:42:07 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD LinuxTag 2007 Message-ID: <461BDA7F.9070509@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello fellows In front of the LinuxTag 2007 is a FAD. Mostly for briefing and organizing the open issues about LinuxTag, but there is a lot of other stuff to discuss (see ML), too. This FAD will be hold at Berlin at May 29, 2007. Please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 There is a section "Attendees". Add yourself to the list if you are able to join us at the second FAD or you are an attendee at LinuxTag. The location for the FAD is not determined right now. One option is to use the garden of the Pegasus hostel but when the weather is bad and there are more than 5 people we need a backup plan. In this case it would be very useful when we know how many ambassadors will be there. Thanks Regards, Fabian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGG9p/4jzS3TakOX8RAiUeAJwM7WiWebqXPqFljyVE6EnQVTLN6gCfZwKO r6ad/RY6wrEUggoCZ5Lre7c= =jFy5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 18:45:08 2007 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:45:08 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea In-Reply-To: References: <46152D66.2030302@fedoraproject.org> <4616954F.1030902@fedoraproject.org> <1175886809.20795.2.camel@lincoln> <46176A4D.80700@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704091103y74ebfea4q374de6e358bb0809@mail.gmail.com> <461AA6AB.3010204@gmail.com> <461B6275.6080707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Sorry guys, this reply is not related with the thread's subject. On 10/04/07, Imtiaz Rahi wrote: > > ............... even me. I have not yet figured out how can I do things > here in BD where things are quite different. FYI, http://bdosn.org/index.php http://bengalinux.org/new/index.php http://www.bengalinux.org/new/content/view/21/29/ -- ??? ????? mak --------------------------------------------------------------- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 18:48:43 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:18:43 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461BDC0B.8010501@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). > > Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? That's around 2630 for India (if there could be such a time :P) and thus it becomes a slight worry about being present in meetings. Perhaps we can go back to the two different times for the meetings as happened earlier ? Just a thought :SM - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGG9wLXQZpNTcrCzMRAsnHAKCRWVWHu2ZF9aGqW/pAkUox1ThsaACbBj4C pStKYHqeE6KRs8YKI0Ckx28= =eUOV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wcervini at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 18:56:33 2007 From: wcervini at gmail.com (Walter Cervini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1176231394.20408.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> 22:00 UTC are more better. El mar, 10-04-2007 a las 11:40 -0700, Thomas Chung escribi?: > On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). > > Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? > > Please check your local time from our meeting page and let me know. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings > > If 21:00 UTC more convenient, we'll make this official meeting time from now on. > Regards, -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 19:12:22 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <1176231394.20408.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> <1176231394.20408.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101212r3aacbc60gee268600d55bdf34@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, Walter Cervini wrote: > 22:00 UTC are more better. > El mar, 10-04-2007 a las 11:40 -0700, Thomas Chung escribi?: > > On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). > > > > Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? > > > > Please check your local time from our meeting page and let me know. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings > > > > If 21:00 UTC more convenient, we'll make this official meeting time from now on. > > Regards, > -- > Walter Cervini > wcervini at gmail.com > Linux User Since 1990 > Linux Counter 353289 > Fedora Ambassador Venezuela > Fedora-ve.org Group Very well, we'll keep the original 22:00 UTC. and 14;00 UTC for future meetings. I'll send out another reminder. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 19:13:49 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:13:49 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <461BDC0B.8010501@gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> <461BDC0B.8010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101213g548707c5mde1fedcde44c5dc3@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). > > > > Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? > > That's around 2630 for India (if there could be such a time :P) and thus > it becomes a slight worry about being present in meetings. Perhaps we > can go back to the two different times for the meetings as happened > earlier ? > > Just a thought > > :SM Yes, we'll keep 22:00 UTC and 14:00 UTC for our future meeting. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 19:16:20 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:16:20 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101216n17ff8d03oac066271d4853d47@mail.gmail.com> All, Here is corrected and confirmed meeting time. We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC. Please check your local time in our meeting page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 Also make sure type in your meeting agenda in the "Agenda" section. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 19:22:50 2007 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:22:50 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101216n17ff8d03oac066271d4853d47@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101216n17ff8d03oac066271d4853d47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/04/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC. > > Please check your local time in our meeting page. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 > For me it's 4 am in the morning ! :D I shall try though. -- ??? ????? mak --------------------------------------------------------------- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 19:30:03 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:30:03 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0704101216n17ff8d03oac066271d4853d47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101230u5bf4f164r5f7692c0709cab9b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, mak wrote: > On 11/04/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC. > > > > Please check your local time in our meeting page. > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 > > > > For me it's 4 am in the morning ! :D I shall try though. You don't have to. :) I would suggest the following meeting on 14:00 UTC instead. Also send out any agenda if you have one in this list. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nayyares at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 21:20:48 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:20:48 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101213g548707c5mde1fedcde44c5dc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> <461BDC0B.8010501@gmail.com> <369bce3b0704101213g548707c5mde1fedcde44c5dc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704101420t58f3a879pce7a541ab33b382e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 4/10/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Thomas Chung wrote: > > > On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: > > >> 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). > > > > > > Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? btw, 22:00 UTC is exactly midnight in Maputo :-| > > > That's around 2630 for India (if there could be such a time :P) and thus > > it becomes a slight worry about being present in meetings. Perhaps we > > can go back to the two different times for the meetings as happened > > earlier ? > > > > Just a thought > > > > :SM > > > Yes, we'll keep 22:00 UTC and 14:00 UTC for our future meeting. > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 21:32:09 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704101420t58f3a879pce7a541ab33b382e@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> <461BDC0B.8010501@gmail.com> <369bce3b0704101213g548707c5mde1fedcde44c5dc3@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30704101420t58f3a879pce7a541ab33b382e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704101432r115906eva873d7a2f38b88f5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > btw, 22:00 UTC is exactly midnight in Maputo :-| This is why we have two different times for our meetings. One at 22:00 UTC and the other one at 14:00 UTC. If you can't attend at 22:00 UTC, please consider attending at 14:00 UTC following week. If either is not good for you, then I would suggest to send out any agenda item via the list and we can discuss that item on the list. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Wed Apr 11 03:41:28 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:41:28 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704101055vd07a2d1iaf016798c6eaec89@mail.gmail.com> <461BD2B2.3040802@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704101140j18a37be7y907492788bb7d9ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1176262888.2804.0.camel@trauco> El mar, 10-04-2007 a las 11:40 -0700, Thomas Chung escribi?: > On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > 21.00 UTC (people said that they prefer the meeting one hour before). > > Is everyone ok with 21:00 UTC? I cant at 21:00 UTC, 22:00 UTC perfect > > Please check your local time from our meeting page and let me know. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings > > If 21:00 UTC more convenient, we'll make this official meeting time from now on. > Regards, -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales [linuxuser:#384391] Embajador Fedora - Chile sip:gotencool at ekiga.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I mention in the previous, we'll continue to meet at 22:00 UTC and 14:00 UTC in out future meetings. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 13:43:08 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:43:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flisol 2007 DVD Message-ID: <461CE5EC.7000705@fedoraproject.org> I've received today an email from Eduardo Villagr?n Morales who say he send a mail to FAmSCo to request visual material, like flyers, banners etc... He said, also, that he had requested 20 DVDs for Flisol (14 April)(see the request below the message). Is possible to send him those DVDs in time? Are those just sent? This is his message he sent me this morning: ------------------------ Hi Francesco, I requestd 20 DVD for Flisol 2007 Santiago de Chile, but deadline is April 14. I need know if this material will be send soon. The other point, I sent a mail to FamSco requesting some visual material as flyer, banner, etc and requesting financial help if visual material is not available. I dont have answer from FamSco. Can you tell me what happend?. Thanks Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Fedora Ambassador - Chile ------------------------------ Following Fedora Abmassador requested media for: Flisol 2007, Santiago de Chile on 28 of April Confirm to Eduardo Villagr??n Morales and Ship 20 Fedora x86 Media to: Eduardo Villagr??n Morales Ulises 3205 8150000 PUENTE ALTO CHILE ---------------------------------- Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 13:44:15 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:44:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flisol 2007 DVD Message-ID: <461CE62F.9080401@fedoraproject.org> I've received today an email from Eduardo Villagr?n Morales who say he send a mail to FAmSCo to request visual material, like flyers, banners etc... He said, also, that he had requested 20 DVDs for Flisol (14 April)(see the request below the message). Is possible to send him those DVDs in time? Are those just sent? This is his message he sent me this morning: ------------------------ Hi Francesco, I requestd 20 DVD for Flisol 2007 Santiago de Chile, but deadline is April 14. I need know if this material will be send soon. The other point, I sent a mail to FamSco requesting some visual material as flyer, banner, etc and requesting financial help if visual material is not available. I dont have answer from FamSco. Can you tell me what happend?. Thanks Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Fedora Ambassador - Chile ------------------------------ Following Fedora Abmassador requested media for: Flisol 2007, Santiago de Chile on 28 of April Confirm to Eduardo Villagr??n Morales and Ship 20 Fedora x86 Media to: Eduardo Villagr??n Morales Ulises 3205 8150000 PUENTE ALTO CHILE ---------------------------------- Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 16:59:45 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:59:45 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flisol 2007 DVD In-Reply-To: <461CE5EC.7000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <461CE5EC.7000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704110959t6e144e7aw782c2201484fb42@mail.gmail.com> On 4/11/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've received today an email from Eduardo Villagr?n Morales who say he > send a mail to FAmSCo to request visual material, like flyers, banners > etc... > > He said, also, that he had requested 20 DVDs for Flisol (14 April)(see > the request below the message). Is possible to send him those DVDs in > time? Are those just sent? > > This is his message he sent me this morning: > > ------------------------ > > Hi Francesco, > I requestd 20 DVD for Flisol 2007 Santiago de Chile, but deadline is > April 14. I need know if this material will be send soon. > The other point, I sent a mail to FamSco requesting some visual material > as flyer, banner, etc and requesting financial help if visual material > is not available. I dont have answer from FamSco. > > Can you tell me what happend?. > > Thanks > > Eduardo Villagr?n Morales > Fedora Ambassador - Chile Eduardo, Your request will be shipped this week. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff/Tracker In the future, please contact me direct. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From bogo at spisanie.com Thu Apr 12 09:14:11 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:14:11 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 7 @ OpenSource event Message-ID: <461DF863.4070408@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I will present Fedora 7 features in an event in Varna, Bulgaria. The event date is April 27th. Regards Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.com bogo at spisanie.com jabber: bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHfhjvnZHkQPM91ARAkxgAJ9fL1Mhpa1OqNz+fyjLgCqv6FzkYwCeLS6U laLB90jNpVB9DJcOuJf9E70= =iBOD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 10:52:27 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:52:27 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] fp wiki down Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704120352o1d54c8e2jcc4d8afda8ada22b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, fp wiki is down for me, any body else having same problem? regards, -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From j.phulewala at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 11:21:57 2007 From: j.phulewala at gmail.com (Jaswinder Singh) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:51:57 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] fp wiki down In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704120352o1d54c8e2jcc4d8afda8ada22b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30704120352o1d54c8e2jcc4d8afda8ada22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461E1655.4040609@gmail.com> This problem is from 12:00 Noon, but still it is not working. Nayyar Ahmad ?? ?????: > Hi, > fp wiki is down for me, any body else having same problem? > > regards, > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 11:28:30 2007 From: anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com (Anand Capur) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] fp wiki down In-Reply-To: <461E1655.4040609@gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30704120352o1d54c8e2jcc4d8afda8ada22b@mail.gmail.com> <461E1655.4040609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, the FP Wiki is down due to us moving it to a beefier server. It should be back up soon. Thanks, Anand FP Ambassador and WebTeam Member > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 15:26:24 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:56:24 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 7 @ OpenSource event In-Reply-To: <461DF863.4070408@spisanie.com> References: <461DF863.4070408@spisanie.com> Message-ID: <461E4FA0.4010707@fedoraproject.org> Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > I will present Fedora 7 features in an event in Varna, Bulgaria. The > event date is April 27th. > Do you have presentation available publicly. It would be good to discuss which features to highlight. > > +359 897 61 51 28 > bogomil at fedoraproject.com It would be better to use fedoraproject.org domain. The other one is a redirect and registered just to avoid random people registering and running ads on it. Rahul From pandey.pandey at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 15:41:18 2007 From: pandey.pandey at gmail.com (Rajesh Pandey) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:26:18 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] FC5 Media Clearance In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704092331l79ab582eyc050ce500c2ab295@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704092331l79ab582eyc050ce500c2ab295@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would like to distribute them on behalf of Kathmandu University Open Source Community.(KUOSC) You may send some of the DVDs to: Rajesh Pandey [ KUOSC, KUCC ] Kathmandu University Dhulikhel Kavre Nepal Phone: +977-011-661399 [KU,main Line] On 4/10/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > All, > I have about 70 x86 FC5 (Yes, Fedora Core 5 not 6) DVDs in my > inventory and I would like to distribute them among our Ambassadors. > If you believe you could use some of these FC5 DVDs, please send me > your shipping address in private email. I'll ship 5 x86 FC5 DVDs in > Global Priority Mail Small Envelope. > Make sure to use "FC5 Media Clearance - Your Wiki Name" for subject in > your email. > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bogo at spisanie.com Thu Apr 12 15:43:24 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:43:24 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 7 @ OpenSource event In-Reply-To: <461E4FA0.4010707@fedoraproject.org> References: <461DF863.4070408@spisanie.com> <461E4FA0.4010707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461E539C.2090108@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi All, >> I will present Fedora 7 features in an event in Varna, Bulgaria. The >> event date is April 27th. >> > > Do you have presentation available publicly. It would be good to discuss > which features to highlight. I will publish it next week. > >> >> +359 897 61 51 28 >> bogomil at fedoraproject.com > > It would be better to use fedoraproject.org domain. The other one is a > redirect and registered just to avoid random people registering and > running ads on it. OK I will ;) > > Rahul > > - -- Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Sofia, Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.org bogo at spisanie.com jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHlOcvnZHkQPM91ARAt8pAJ98BqdTpypHRnnW9g0J/D59EG69BwCcCll4 h06ZO+MT6/3Q/80G0cBgkTo= =rCgT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 20:22:52 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:22:52 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC Message-ID: <369bce3b0704121322n1b19b8c8jc36ef2ffe82c4adc@mail.gmail.com> All, Here is another reminder email for today's meeting. We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC. Please check your local time in our meeting page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 Also make sure type in your meeting agenda in the "Agenda" section. Yes, I'll lead the meeting this time. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 21:05:16 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:05:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704121322n1b19b8c8jc36ef2ffe82c4adc@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704121322n1b19b8c8jc36ef2ffe82c4adc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461E9F0C.6080601@fedoraproject.org> Sorry, but i can't attend (or complete attend) this meeting because I've to wake up tomorrow very very soon. I'm really displeased. Regards Francesco Ugolini Thomas Chung ha scritto: > All, > > Here is another reminder email for today's meeting. > > We'll have a Fedora Ambassadors Meeting on 2007-04-12 at 22:00 UTC. > > Please check your local time in our meeting page. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 > > Also make sure type in your meeting agenda in the "Agenda" section. > > Yes, I'll lead the meeting this time. > > Regards, -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 23:15:26 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2007-04-12 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704121615g39618b6aje2c7f2db79a69ad6@mail.gmail.com> All, Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2007-04-12 is available at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-12 Our next Fedora Ambassadors Meeting will be on 2007-04-19 at 14:00 UTC http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-19 Please check our meeting page for your local time and make sure to add *your* agenda. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 00:04:50 2007 From: anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com (Anand Capur) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:04:50 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? Message-ID: Dear fellow ambassadors, I've got a question for you! What exactly is a Re-Spin DVD? I was looking on the fedora vendors and saw that one was selling re-spin dvds... Thanks, Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 00:10:51 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0704121710t3ee2aed5wf22b1bf0ad5e8bb@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/07, Anand Capur wrote: > Dear fellow ambassadors, > I've got a question for you! What exactly is a Re-Spin DVD? I was looking on > the fedora vendors and saw that one was selling re-spin dvds... > Thanks, > Anand Re-spin is basically Fedora Core + updates and it's considered *unofficial* release. Fedora Unity Project[1] released re-spin[2] in the past. [1] http://fedoraunity.org/ [2] http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/core-6-re-spin-20070111/ Regads, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From diegobz at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 18:07:46 2007 From: diegobz at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Diego_B=FArigo_Zacar=E3o?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:46 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Images of FISL8.0 in Brazil Message-ID: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> Hello all!! Some images of the first day of FISL 8.0 in Brazil at http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia12042007/ http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/8.0/www/ :) Regards -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 18:16:43 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:16:43 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Images of FISL8.0 in Brazil In-Reply-To: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704131116p7077fd39sef94f194d7741e6e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/07, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o wrote: > Hello all!! > > Some images of the first day of FISL 8.0 in Brazil at > http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia12042007/ > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/8.0/www/ Thanks for the photos, congratulations. -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 19:24:46 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:24:46 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Images of FISL8.0 in Brazil In-Reply-To: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704131224v1ce068y27b58ab6d8b170d0@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/07, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o wrote: > Hello all!! > > Some images of the first day of FISL 8.0 in Brazil at > http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia12042007/ > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/8.0/www/ > > :) > Regards > > -- > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Diego, Thank you for the pictures. Please don't forget to give us your report after the event. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 20:12:53 2007 From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:12:53 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] AFK Message-ID: <20070413221253.1059a156@localhost.localdomain> A mail to inform everybody that I won't be here for a week ! See you next Saturday ! Cheers everybody :) Thomas From nayyares at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 20:15:08 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:15:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] AFK In-Reply-To: <20070413221253.1059a156@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070413221253.1059a156@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704131315x3e398161nf5094dde4af6e68d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > A mail to inform everybody that I won't be here for a week ! > > See you next Saturday ! we will miss you O.O Cheers everybody :) > > Thomas > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El vie, 13-04-2007 a las 15:07 -0300, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o escribi?: > Hello all!! > > Some images of the first day of FISL 8.0 in Brazil at > http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia12042007/ > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/8.0/www/ > > :) > Regards > > -- > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > Linux User #402589 > USE SOFTWARE LIVRE > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jasonnfedora at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 15:32:14 2007 From: jasonnfedora at gmail.com (Cristiano Furtado) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:32:14 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Images of FISL8.0 in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> <1176497122.29509.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5db07cbd0704140832t5a5cbc69ta11efae953e6377a@mail.gmail.com> News Photos Events FISL8. day 12 April http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia12042007/ dat 13 April http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia13042007/ Great. By Jasonnfedora. 2007/4/14, Damien Durand : > > Hey, great pictures :) > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Cristiano Furtado dos Santos Gerente de TI - Projetos de Software Livre http://jasonnfedora.eti.br http://fedora.org.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Em 14/04/07, Thomas Chung escreveu: > > On 4/14/07, Cristiano Furtado wrote: > > News Photos Events FISL8. > > > > day 12 April > > http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia12042007/ > > > > dat 13 April > > http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/dia13042007/ > > > > Great. > > > > By Jasonnfedora. > > > > -- > > Cristiano Furtado dos Santos > > Gerente de TI - Projetos de Software Livre > > http://jasonnfedora.eti.br > > http://fedora.org.br > > Hi Cristiano, > Please add new photo links to the event page. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FISL/FISL8 > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Cristiano Furtado dos Santos Gerente de TI - Projetos de Software Livre http://jasonnfedora.eti.br http://fedora.org.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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( yes F7 is juz around the corner, but > we couldnt distribute it yet rite?) .. > > can anybody give some comments about it? > > the template was taken from > http://www.wordautomation.com/openoffice_templates.html > > some contents were google-translated from the french flyer i got from > chitlesh goorah's blog .. > > english is not my first language and i hope someone can fix any > grammar errors in it .. I think you did an excellent job. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 14 16:16:34 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:16:34 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Images of FISL8.0 in Brazil In-Reply-To: <5db07cbd0704140909r3e6f45aga32183a8861f8894@mail.gmail.com> References: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> <1176497122.29509.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5db07cbd0704140832t5a5cbc69ta11efae953e6377a@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704140902v57503e53kfe56ca533c9da42e@mail.gmail.com> <5db07cbd0704140909r3e6f45aga32183a8861f8894@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704140916x57473aa9mdd8d81c0f3f5d015@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/07, Cristiano Furtado wrote: > we will make a brief election No need for *election* :) Please see the "Reports and Photos* section at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FISL/FISL8 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jasonnfedora at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 16:18:00 2007 From: jasonnfedora at gmail.com (Cristiano Furtado) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:18:00 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Images of FISL8.0 in Brazil In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704140916x57473aa9mdd8d81c0f3f5d015@mail.gmail.com> References: <6600c1b10704131107t7cb21090sb44ed577f4177a0a@mail.gmail.com> <1176497122.29509.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5db07cbd0704140832t5a5cbc69ta11efae953e6377a@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704140902v57503e53kfe56ca533c9da42e@mail.gmail.com> <5db07cbd0704140909r3e6f45aga32183a8861f8894@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704140916x57473aa9mdd8d81c0f3f5d015@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5db07cbd0704140918i2e0743e7s4a1b2bc2626bb148@mail.gmail.com> ok 2007/4/14, Thomas Chung : > > On 4/14/07, Cristiano Furtado wrote: > > we will make a brief election > > No need for *election* :) > Please see the "Reports and Photos* section at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FISL/FISL8 > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Cristiano Furtado dos Santos Gerente de TI - Projetos de Software Livre http://jasonnfedora.eti.br http://fedora.org.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 15 01:20:01 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:20:01 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyer for Fedora 6 In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0704140915r1930ef35kdfd6f4dd60817c51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704141820m4538036axdb7a4dec58287309@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/07, Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > On 4/15/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > I think you did an excellent job. :) > > thanks .. guess I can start printing it now .. Also, I would suggest to post your final product at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 15 01:27:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:57:51 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyer for Fedora 6 In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0704140915r1930ef35kdfd6f4dd60817c51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46217F97.3020607@fedoraproject.org> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > On 4/15/07, Thomas Chung wrote: >> I think you did an excellent job. :) >> Regards, > > thanks .. guess I can start printing it now .. Good work. Some suggestions: * Replace the mirrors link with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution. Please don't use the rhold website links anywhere. Changing the wording to include online, OEM, local retail vendors and free media project. * Replace the mailing list link with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. We have more than one end user mailing list available depending on the topic. fedora-xen and fedora-laptop list for example. * Upload the final version http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentation. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 15 01:31:01 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:01:01 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyer for Fedora 6 In-Reply-To: <46217F97.3020607@fedoraproject.org> References: <369bce3b0704140915r1930ef35kdfd6f4dd60817c51@mail.gmail.com> <46217F97.3020607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46218055.7060805@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: >> On 4/15/07, Thomas Chung wrote: >>> I think you did an excellent job. :) >>> Regards, >> >> thanks .. guess I can start printing it now .. > > Good work. Some suggestions: > > * Replace the mirrors link with > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution. Please don't use the rhold > website links anywhere. Changing the wording to include online, OEM, > local retail vendors and free media project. > > * Replace the mailing list link with > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. We have more than one end > user mailing list available depending on the topic. fedora-xen and > fedora-laptop list for example. > > * Upload the final version http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentation. Ah one more. Replace all references to the organization with Red Hat (separate words with camel case). Rahul From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Sun Apr 15 07:31:44 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armelk (AKServer)) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:31:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930 #fedora-meeting References: <20070408125131.0beb3b92@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001701c77f30$1efc08a0$9000a8c0@W2000ARMEL> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-04-01 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones qui aura lieu ce dimanche (15 Avril) ? 20h30 heure de Paris. IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Armel From jbwillia at fedoraunity.org Sun Apr 15 23:25:18 2007 From: jbwillia at fedoraunity.org (jbwillia at fedoraunity.org) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:25:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58284.75.109.119.130.1176679518.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> > Dear fellow ambassadors, > I've got a question for you! What exactly is a Re-Spin DVD? I was looking > on > the fedora vendors and saw that one was selling re-spin dvds... > Thanks, > Anand > -- Link please Ben Williams From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Apr 16 00:51:42 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:51:42 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? References: <58284.75.109.119.130.1176679518.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <003501c77fc1$66b48230$0201a8c0@strikeforce> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? >> Dear fellow ambassadors, >> I've got a question for you! What exactly is a Re-Spin DVD? I was looking >> on >> the fedora vendors and saw that one was selling re-spin dvds... >> Thanks, >> Anand >> -- > Link please > http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/official-torrents Regards, Marc From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Apr 16 07:53:18 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:53:18 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? In-Reply-To: <003501c77fc1$66b48230$0201a8c0@strikeforce> References: <58284.75.109.119.130.1176679518.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> <003501c77fc1$66b48230$0201a8c0@strikeforce> Message-ID: <46232B6E.6080206@kanarip.com> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re-Spin? > > >>> Dear fellow ambassadors, >>> I've got a question for you! What exactly is a Re-Spin DVD? I was >>> looking >>> on >>> the fedora vendors and saw that one was selling re-spin dvds... >>> Thanks, >>> Anand >>> -- >> Link please >> > > http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/official-torrents > These are the official torrents, and not Fedora Unity Re-Spins. Please mind that these Fedora Unity Re-Spins are just an example of Re-Spin DVD's, we're not the ones selling them. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From jasonnfedora at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 01:53:46 2007 From: jasonnfedora at gmail.com (Cristiano Furtado) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:53:46 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] photos full fisl8 (Todas fotos do fisl8) Message-ID: <5db07cbd0704161853s18b2b9ddrfcd8647f35442fe0@mail.gmail.com> Seguem todas as fotos tiradas no fisl8. The photos taken off in fisl8 follow all. Grato. Great. http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/fisl8/ -- Cristiano Furtado dos Santos Gerente de TI - Projetos de Software Livre http://jasonnfedora.eti.br http://fedora.org.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wy_2_k at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 09:40:10 2007 From: wy_2_k at yahoo.com (Ama M) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea Message-ID: <984200.968.qm@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> +1 to Greg Ama Mgbeoji https://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/AmaMgbeoji ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Dekoenigsberg To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 1:26:50 PM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors+task+some idea On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Stay sure, we don't want to "kill" people, we know the different needs > of each ambassador. We want to shake people that do nothing. Why? Why do we want to "shake people that do nothing"? What harm do they do? And what's to say that someone who does nothing today won't be someone who does something vitally important later? And what's your threshhold for "activity" -- somebody says "I'm active"? The *only* effect of *any* inactivity policy will be to announce to people, "we don't want you, go away." My $0.02: once somebody says "I am a Fedora ambassador," then they are a Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say "no thanks, I'm not an ambassador anymore," or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and FAMSCO drums them out. ===== So let me back up and ask a question. What's the *real* goal here? Is the goal to recognize our best ambassadors? Is the goal to know who can be "counted upon" to get stuff done? 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April 2007 21:37 schrieb Fabian Affolter: > Hello fellows > > There are people in the "Booth Personal" list who haven't sign up for a > room at the hostel because they are unsure about the attendance. ich stehe ja schon l?nger mit 60 % drin die Chancen bessern sich :-) -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hash at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 17 20:27:00 2007 From: hash at fedoraproject.org (Mauricio Pretto) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:27:00 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Im Back Message-ID: <46252D94.5010908@fedoraproject.org> Hello Boys and Girls! After One Year travelling around South America, im back to Help the Fedora Project. For those who dont know me, or dont remember me, im Mauricio Pretto From Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil. Im Working with Linux for more than 10 Years now, in OpenSource Projects such as: the ATM's at Banrisul Bank (www.banrisul.com.br), Terra Lycos Firewall (www.terra.com.br), Founder of the First LUG at Rio Grande do Sul State, Volunteer at the the setup of the Fase (www.fase.rs.gov.br, its a prison for under 18 years old Kids) Computer Laboratory and few other projects. Im going to work at the Infrastructure of the Brazilian Project, and would like to help at the Infrastructure at the Gobal Project as well. Probably will do some work at docs and translations too. If some one need something, just let me know! Best Regards -- Mauricio Pretto Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MauricioPretto E-mail: hash at fedoraproject.org msn: hash at hash.com.br From jbwillia at fedoraunity.org Tue Apr 17 20:51:12 2007 From: jbwillia at fedoraunity.org (jbwillia at fedoraunity.org) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:12 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ambassadors] unable Message-ID: <40266.198.82.185.72.1176843072.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> With all that has happened this week here locally. I will not be able to be at the Ambassadors meeting this week. But I an still planning on attending carolinacon as a Fedora Ambassador and Fedora Unity member Ben Williams Windows-Linux Specialist Department of Mathematics Virginia Tech http:\\fedoraproject.org/wiki/JamesBenWilliams Apirl 16 will always be remembered by the Hokie Nation. From fabian.affolter at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 17 21:10:52 2007 From: fabian.affolter at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:10:52 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxTag 2007 - Rooms and FAD In-Reply-To: <200704172200.25297.simon@simline.de> References: <462521FC.5010401@fedoraproject.org> <200704172200.25297.simon@simline.de> Message-ID: <462537DC.4010103@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 simon schrieb: > ich stehe ja schon l?nger mit 60 % drin die Chancen bessern sich :-) 60%-guys how have allready signed up for a room. Those people don't count because they will be there :-P After cross checking the attendees list and the rooms list, this people haven't sign up for a room now. Robert Albrecht, Thomas Canniot and Thorsten Leemhuis. Regards, Fabian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJTfb4jzS3TakOX8RAtmTAJ9jV4YYBveE43w70qHEONw3wS8RNgCgiYsr V7SgNnue4hlY2wZki+3/usY= =yX0F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gerold at lugd.org Tue Apr 17 21:26:01 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:26:01 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] last call for participation Message-ID: <1176845161.4146.20.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Ambassadors, this is the last mail on which I'd like to invite you to participate the LINUXTAG in Germany (Berlin) 2007-05-29 until 2007-06-02. We'll have a 20 sqm booth with: - FAD (Fedora Ambassador Day) in front of the event - FUDCon (2007-05-31) - Install Party of F7 (2007-05-31) - Troubleshooting contest - OLPC at the booth - a lot of fun and social networking between Ambassadors ... - and maybe it's your chance to see and talk to Max Spevack! Please find out at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2007 be careful (many sub-information are linked out from this page) Hope to see you all soon! PS.: The Hotel rooms were blocked until this weekend as you can see on the page. Unused rooms will be given back to the hotel on saturday 1800 GMT+1 -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 00:16:56 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:16:56 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Report: ICT Week, PETRONAS University of Technology Message-ID: On 14-16 April 2007 theres an ICT Week event at PETRONAS University of Technology (UTP), MohdIzharFirdaus (me) was representing Fedora there at our LUG booth on 15-16 April .. The booth was a success and I managed to distribute 50 Fedora 6 DVDs among students and some staff in UTP .. besides Fedora , 50 Ubuntu Ultimate was also distributed by a Ubuntu group in our LUG ... we also promoted to the visitors our local mirror of the Fedora & Ubuntu repositories - to help them to adopt linux not much activity was being done besides explaining to people who stopped at our booth about Linux and Free / Open Source Softwares, showing alternatives softwares that FOSS can provide etc ... I also distributed more than 150 flyers/brochures about Fedora & Fedora Project ... as expected, Beryl always impress people ... The students generally shows lots of interest about both of the Distro .. 2 of them actually came back on the second day of the booth saying that they installed fedora on their desktop ... and I can see more members in our #linux channel of our LAN IRC network .. ** Problems faced ** * trying to explain about how to install fedora to the people who dont understand the word "partitioning" ... I couldnt find a way to explain this to them and how to do it ... for those who understood partitioning and how to do it, i just told them to create 10GB of unallocated space and let anaconda handle the partitioning automatically ... -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 05:12:49 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:12:49 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Im Back In-Reply-To: <46252D94.5010908@fedoraproject.org> References: <46252D94.5010908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704172212w763dcb0eodf87942431791fed@mail.gmail.com> Welcome again. -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From lee.joseph at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 05:52:53 2007 From: lee.joseph at fedoraproject.org (Lee Joseph) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] unable In-Reply-To: <40266.198.82.185.72.1176843072.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> References: <40266.198.82.185.72.1176843072.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <108fe3f0704172252n2ad852c2tc62671483e2b8bfb@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/07, jbwillia at fedoraunity.org wrote: > > But I an still planning on attending carolinacon as a Fedora Ambassador > and Fedora Unity member Ben, >From all of us involved with CarolinaCon, we only want you to relax this weekend (i.e. no work etc). David Nalley is coming up from South Carolina and can handle things with Fedora tasks when I have to handle tasks for CarolinaCon. We definitely want you and your wife to come still, but please, just try and relax and take a deep breath this weekend if you can, and accept a bottle of wine from me for the both of you to have in your room. I'm just really thankful I'll be able to see you this weekend. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 06:33:13 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:33:13 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Im Back In-Reply-To: <46252D94.5010908@fedoraproject.org> References: <46252D94.5010908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704172333j41532601mbf8b5487c1072d6@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/07, Mauricio Pretto wrote: > > Hello Boys and Girls! > > After One Year travelling around South America, im back to Help the > Fedora Project. > > For those who dont know me, or dont remember me, im Mauricio Pretto > From Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil. Im Working with Linux for > more than 10 Years now, in OpenSource Projects such as: the ATM's at > Banrisul Bank (www.banrisul.com.br), Terra Lycos Firewall > (www.terra.com.br), Founder of the First LUG at Rio Grande do Sul State, > Volunteer at the the setup of the Fase (www.fase.rs.gov.br, its a prison > for under 18 years old Kids) Computer Laboratory and few other projects. > > Im going to work at the Infrastructure of the Brazilian Project, and > would like to help at the Infrastructure at the Gobal Project as well. > Probably will do some work at docs and translations too. Great ! 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Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 17:20:34 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:20:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors' meeting reminder - Thursday 19th April 14.00 UTC Message-ID: <46265362.8030107@fedoraproject.org> I want to remember all ambassadors that tomorrow there will be a meeting at 14.00 UTC in #fedora-meeting channel. We will discuss about: - FAmSCo updates - Projects updates - Events updates - Ideas/Proposal and moreover ... Http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-19 to see the agenda or to add new topics to this one. Thanks for your attention Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From guillermo.gomez at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 22:02:19 2007 From: guillermo.gomez at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ikd1aWxsZXJtbyBHw7NtZXogUy4i?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:02:19 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora General Presentation for Flisol Message-ID: <4626956B.3060600@gmail.com> Hi all I need to prepare a general presentation about Fedora Project for flisol caracas. Whats the better available material to produce one including F7 new features? kind regards -- Gomix Guillermo G?mez S. cms fedora-ve http://www.fedora-ve.org blog http://blog.gomix.org soporte fedora-ve en irc.freenode.net, canal fedora-ve lista email fedora-ve at googlegroups.com Key fingerprint = 3143 8BDB 48A2 3241 E62A B743 D177 CAD7 3205 A464 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IMO all ambassadors should still have an adress like this. To communicate with the wikiname at fedoraproject.org email address to organisation teams of events and so on. It looks a bit funny when the adress is like snoppy14 at fedoraproject.org. What do you think? If I'm not the only one who think we should keep this email forwarder for ambassadors, we can collect the voices and send them all to the infrastructure team. Otherwise every individual have to handle this for its own. Regards, Fabian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJp024jzS3TakOX8RAmkSAJ9jChz3XLIFaXp5Ov58D4S6ovbUJgCeLF66 iZIdEQWAJ1ZlCpqGrwRTuMo= =iX0w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 22:46:29 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:46:29 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704181546j316c898u242e7aaa72f86517@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/07, Fabian Affolter wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello fellows > > Maybe you have allready checked the message from Mike McGrath in the > annouce-list. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-April/msg00004.html > > It's about the liquidation of the firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org > email addresses. IMO all ambassadors should still have an adress like > this. To communicate with the wikiname at fedoraproject.org email address > to organisation teams of events and so on. It looks a bit funny when the > adress is like snoppy14 at fedoraproject.org. > > What do you think? > > If I'm not the only one who think we should keep this email forwarder > for ambassadors, we can collect the voices and send them all to the > infrastructure team. Otherwise every individual have to handle this for > its own. > > Regards, > > Fabian It's my understanding there is no direct relationship between WikiName and Email Aliases. In the past, we allowed Firstname.Lastname at fedoraproject.org for Email Aliases based on your Fedora Account but they didn't work well since many of us didn't use proper full name (Firstname Lastname) in their Fedora Account and some of us have same name. I'm sure Mike has a better explanation. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Apr 18 23:03:29 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:03:29 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora General Presentation for Flisol In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704181507l60380e24r465c2068e594aaf3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4626956B.3060600@gmail.com> <369bce3b0704181507l60380e24r465c2068e594aaf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4626A3C1.8040105@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have many others brazilian presentations! Thomas Chung escreveu: > On 4/18/07, "Guillermo G?mez S." wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I need to prepare a general presentation about Fedora Project for flisol >> caracas. >> Whats the better available material to produce one including F7 new >> features? >> >> kind regards > > Most presentation materials can be found at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations > > If you need a feature list for F7, check out > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/FeatureList > > Regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGJqPBPg3HAC1vlg4RAiE3AJ9yfyun2YcbOL462qZU+1Nsxg6AKACfaKja HvueDoYyw2AyKb+aWiKfKCU= =YdTK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 23:01:06 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:01:06 -0700 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <4626A1FA.4020609@redhat.com> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704181546j316c898u242e7aaa72f86517@mail.gmail.com> <4626A1FA.4020609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704181601l115f8fb8vec6efe89f9a26af6@mail.gmail.com> FYI... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike McGrath Date: Apr 18, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org will be deleted To: Thomas Chung Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/18/07, Fabian Affolter wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello fellows >> >> Maybe you have allready checked the message from Mike McGrath in the >> annouce-list. >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-April/msg00004.html >> >> >> It's about the liquidation of the firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org >> email addresses. IMO all ambassadors should still have an adress like >> this. To communicate with the wikiname at fedoraproject.org email address >> to organisation teams of events and so on. It looks a bit funny when the >> adress is like snoppy14 at fedoraproject.org. >> >> What do you think? >> >> If I'm not the only one who think we should keep this email forwarder >> for ambassadors, we can collect the voices and send them all to the >> infrastructure team. Otherwise every individual have to handle this for >> its own. >> >> Regards, >> >> Fabian > > It's my understanding there is no direct relationship between WikiName > and Email Aliases. > In the past, we allowed Firstname.Lastname at fedoraproject.org for Email > Aliases based on your Fedora Account but they didn't work well since > many of us didn't use proper full name (Firstname Lastname) in their > Fedora Account and some of us have same name. Sorry ambassadors but there's technical reasons we can't keep firstname.lastname and we're not going to manually maintain a list for everyone forever. I'm open to suggestions but unless you guys can come up with a REALLY good reason you can't just use username at fedoraproject.org they're gone. We can always change your username to something more respectable but thats the only option I see. Sorry for the inconvenience, I know this sucks. No one wanted to get rid of firstname.lastname, but we had to. -Mike From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 23:05:06 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:05:06 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora General Presentation for Flisol In-Reply-To: <4626A3C1.8040105@projetofedora.org> References: <4626956B.3060600@gmail.com> <369bce3b0704181507l60380e24r465c2068e594aaf3@mail.gmail.com> <4626A3C1.8040105@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704181605i15c6feey920ae7318e8b5e5b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/07, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have many others brazilian presentations! Great. Please post them on the wiki to share with other Ambassadors. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Apr 19 08:36:41 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:36:41 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704181601l115f8fb8vec6efe89f9a26af6@mail.gmail.com> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704181546j316c898u242e7aaa72f86517@mail.gmail.com> <4626A1FA.4020609@redhat.com> <369bce3b0704181601l115f8fb8vec6efe89f9a26af6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46272A19.90908@kanarip.com> > > Sorry ambassadors but there's technical reasons we can't keep > firstname.lastname and we're not going to manually maintain a list for > everyone forever. I'm open to suggestions but unless you guys can come > up with a REALLY good reason you can't just use > username at fedoraproject.org they're gone. We can always change your > username to something more respectable but thats the only option I see. > Sorry for the inconvenience, I know this sucks. No one wanted to get > rid of firstname.lastname, but we had to. > > -Mike > So if we were to maintain a list of aliases ourselves, problem is solved and Mike is well-willing to implement? I'd gladly volunteer and be responsible for maintaining the aliases, somewhere, somehow. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From ncorrare at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 15:25:09 2007 From: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org (Nicolas Antonio Corrarello) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:25:09 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So you're going to change my email from ncorrare at fedoraproject to NicolasCorrarello at fedoraproject ? Y.S. nc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJ4nV4UWy+d/Ik+4RAr8kAJ9h+8URgJkRl4q4d4d3VcgeN/ymPQCgg6qa G2vLSHiJXuHjFN5Fhaq+RY8= =fxug -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 15:34:43 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:34:43 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46278C13.7040707@fedoraproject.org> The contrary. If you are using Name.Sourname at .... mail, you will have to use username at ... . Regards Francesco Ugolini Nicolas Antonio Corrarello ha scritto: > So you're going to change my email from ncorrare at fedoraproject to > NicolasCorrarello at fedoraproject ? > > > Y.S. > > nc -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Apr 19 15:40:08 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:40:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46278D58.7090207@kanarip.com> No, the only email alias @fedoraproject.org that will be available is the accountname at fedoraproject.org which in your case, I suppose, is ncorrare at fedoraproject.org Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > So you're going to change my email from ncorrare at fedoraproject to > NicolasCorrarello at fedoraproject ? > > > Y.S. > > nc > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGJ4nV4UWy+d/Ik+4RAr8kAJ9h+8URgJkRl4q4d4d3VcgeN/ymPQCgg6qa > G2vLSHiJXuHjFN5Fhaq+RY8= > =fxug > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From jan at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 20:41:37 2007 From: jan at fedoraproject.org (jan birsa) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:41:37 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <46278D58.7090207@kanarip.com> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> <46278D58.7090207@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1833f76a0704191341h19784032ke4b0ecd75ad52bbf@mail.gmail.com> Oh, N0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 I use my firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org EVERYWHERE Oh, CRAP... DAMN On 4/19/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > No, the only email alias @fedoraproject.org that will be available is the > > accountname at fedoraproject.org > > which in your case, I suppose, is ncorrare at fedoraproject.org > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > So you're going to change my email from ncorrare at fedoraproject to > > NicolasCorrarello at fedoraproject ? > > > > > > Y.S. > > > > nc > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFGJ4nV4UWy+d/Ik+4RAr8kAJ9h+8URgJkRl4q4d4d3VcgeN/ymPQCgg6qa > > G2vLSHiJXuHjFN5Fhaq+RY8= > > =fxug > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- jan at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From ml at deadbabylon.de Thu Apr 19 21:46:34 2007 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:46:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself Message-ID: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> Hi. I'm Sebastian Vahl from Hannover, Germany. I'm 26 years old and studying Politics, History and Sociology at local university. Inside the Fedora Project I'm in KDE-SIG and responsible for the kde livecd spin. And I've also a few packages in Fedora Extras. [1] Outside the project I'm a moderator in a german webforum (fedoraforum.de), responsible for a german wiki (fedorawiki.de) and a german newsside for fedora (fedorausers.de). The last point is exactly, why I'm joining as an ambassador. In the last days I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating local forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe also a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But I'll explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). But maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help there in some points. In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! Sebastian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Gerold Am Donnerstag, den 19.04.2007, 23:46 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Vahl: > Hi. > > I'm Sebastian Vahl from Hannover, Germany. I'm 26 years old and studying > Politics, History and Sociology at local university. Inside the Fedora > Project I'm in KDE-SIG and responsible for the kde livecd spin. And I've also > a few packages in Fedora Extras. [1] > Outside the project I'm a moderator in a german webforum (fedoraforum.de), > responsible for a german wiki (fedorawiki.de) and a german newsside for > fedora (fedorausers.de). > The last point is exactly, why I'm joining as an ambassador. In the last days > I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating local > forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe also > a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But I'll > explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. > Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else > (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). But > maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) > And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help there > in some points. > > In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! > > Sebastian > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl > [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Seja bem-vindo (in portuguese) Rodrigo Padula Brazil susmit shannigrahi escreveu: > Welcome aboard. :) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGJ+VkPg3HAC1vlg4RAguBAKDOCQ0XC07Xa3JrPe5uwAam3a/AzwCggW2C pDJdtzYHvsoyn+878i5+BGs= =plp3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 21:55:18 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:25:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <4627E546.40503@fedoraproject.org> Sebastian Vahl wrote: > Hi. > > I'm Sebastian Vahl from Hannover, Germany. I'm 26 years old and studying > Politics, History and Sociology at local university. Inside the Fedora > Project I'm in KDE-SIG and responsible for the kde livecd spin. And I've also > a few packages in Fedora Extras. [1] > Outside the project I'm a moderator in a german webforum (fedoraforum.de), > responsible for a german wiki (fedorawiki.de) and a german newsside for > fedora (fedorausers.de). > The last point is exactly, why I'm joining as an ambassador. In the last days > I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating local > forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe also > a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But I'll > explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. > Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else > (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). But > maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) > And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help there > in some points. > > In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! Yeah. It was about time you got here anyway ;-). Hopefully you can have fun at LinuxTag. Rahul From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Apr 20 01:22:33 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:22:33 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] FISL 8.0 - OFFICIAL PHOTOS Message-ID: <462815D9.4020308@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guys!!! Brazilian Fedora Project - Official photos at FISL 8.0 Porto Alegre - BR http://projetofedora.org/album/13/ Fisl was a great success. Ours booth was the most visited of the event. A great line was created for distribution of dvds during every day. http://projetofedora.org/node/222 http://projetofedora.org/node/226 All the brazilian active ambassadors were in the event! Brazilian Ambassadors: http://www.projetofedora.org/node/215 In order:IgorSoares, CristianoFurtado, Xico, DiegoZacarao, GutembergMedeiros, DavidBarzilay, RodrigoPadula http://projetofedora.org/node/188 In Order: RudimarGrass(Ambassador), Jayme Ayres(Brazilian Designer) We are preparing a complete report!! Best regards! Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Ambassador FAMSCO Member www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGKBXZPg3HAC1vlg4RAskIAJ9iZgwfRsgkbHE2gm58EQ7iVPYovwCfQoKc tCnNG14WnH8UJtI1Hiqzptg= =nIuD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nayyares at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 05:51:27 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:51:27 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704192251u6081d185y8c49446c1ea477f2@mail.gmail.com> Welcome Sebastian ! On 4/19/07, Sebastian Vahl wrote: > > Hi. > > I'm Sebastian Vahl from Hannover, Germany. I'm 26 years old and studying > Politics, History and Sociology at local university. Inside the Fedora > Project I'm in KDE-SIG and responsible for the kde livecd spin. And I've > also > a few packages in Fedora Extras. [1] > Outside the project I'm a moderator in a german webforum (fedoraforum.de), > responsible for a german wiki (fedorawiki.de) and a german newsside for > fedora (fedorausers.de). > The last point is exactly, why I'm joining as an ambassador. In the last > days > I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating > local > forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe > also > a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But > I'll > explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. > Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else > (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). > But > maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) > And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help > there > in some points. > > In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! > > Sebastian > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl > [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the last days > I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating local > forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe also > a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But I'll > explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. > Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else > (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). But > maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) > And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help there > in some points. > > In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! > > Sebastian > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl > [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Welcome Sebastian. See you @ LinuxTag. - -- Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Sofia, Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.org bogo at spisanie.com jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGKGtPvnZHkQPM91ARAszvAJ95XPRwk2CCJw3bW0a+/qi8EjrmqwCdGLaA kx2uwcTI5uCnB2sJeo1wfzQ= =Z9B4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 07:42:01 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:42:01 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <46286B4F.3000309@spisanie.com> References: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> <46286B4F.3000309@spisanie.com> Message-ID: Welcome :D -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 10:14:31 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:14:31 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: References: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> <46286B4F.3000309@spisanie.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0704200314q1e78e9a1j241cf3df455d1102@mail.gmail.com> Sebastian: Welcome to the Fedora Ambassadors Project. :-) John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Fri Apr 20 13:35:08 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:35:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704191347k2a936dc3t87b6ef8643de8e18@mail.gmail.com> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> <46278D58.7090207@kanarip.com> <1833f76a0704191341h19784032ke4b0ecd75ad52bbf@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704191347k2a936dc3t87b6ef8643de8e18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177076108.1186.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:47 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/19/07, jan birsa wrote: > > Oh, N0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 > > > > I use my firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org EVERYWHERE > > > > > > Oh, CRAP... > > Please check with Mike. He might make an exception case by case. I don't get it anyway. The world is changing from this old-style hash-like bad-to-remember cruzsdjqh12 at blablubb.com and we introduce it because of "technical" issues. I would really love to learn more about the technical reasons. Maybe it could just be resolved by introducing Microsoft Exchange servers. It's Friday ... Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From david at gnsa.us Fri Apr 20 13:48:09 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:48:09 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] firstname.lastname@fedoraproject.org will be deleted In-Reply-To: <1177076108.1186.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46269D36.3030609@fedoraproject.org> <462789D5.4080004@fedoraproject.org> <46278D58.7090207@kanarip.com> <1833f76a0704191341h19784032ke4b0ecd75ad52bbf@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704191347k2a936dc3t87b6ef8643de8e18@mail.gmail.com> <1177076108.1186.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4628C499.3030809@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Kranz wrote: > On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:47 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: >> On 4/19/07, jan birsa wrote: >>> Oh, N0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 >>> >>> I use my firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org EVERYWHERE >>> >>> >>> Oh, CRAP... >> Please check with Mike. He might make an exception case by case. > > I don't get it anyway. The world is changing from this old-style > hash-like bad-to-remember cruzsdjqh12 at blablubb.com and we introduce it > because of "technical" issues. > > I would really love to learn more about the technical reasons. Maybe it > could just be resolved by introducing Microsoft Exchange servers. > > It's Friday ... > > Matthias While I personally like the fn.ln.fp.o there are some issues. There are characters in some names which postfix doesn't support, so invalid email addresses are created. (think about the many non-western charsets) There is also a concern of fn.ln collisions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGKMSZkZOYj+cNI1cRAuHcAJsFvhlrr2zg62MYvkT70HRIHzTJbACgihvs 1BoZosVB0qXWX8Jo5L87dW0= =l/c9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpex at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 20 16:29:48 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe Pignataro) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:29:48 +0200 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <200704201629.l3KGTVvH017038@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Welcome aboard. :) Giuseppe Pignataro http://www.giuseppepignataro.net Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy A KDE italian translator Socio TAU Visual Member of ILS -----Messaggio originale----- Da: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Per conto di Sebastian Vahl Inviato: gioved? 19 aprile 2007 23.47 A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Oggetto: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself Hi. I'm Sebastian Vahl from Hannover, Germany. I'm 26 years old and studying Politics, History and Sociology at local university. Inside the Fedora Project I'm in KDE-SIG and responsible for the kde livecd spin. And I've also a few packages in Fedora Extras. [1] Outside the project I'm a moderator in a german webforum (fedoraforum.de), responsible for a german wiki (fedorawiki.de) and a german newsside for fedora (fedorausers.de). The last point is exactly, why I'm joining as an ambassador. In the last days I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating local forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe also a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But I'll explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). But maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help there in some points. In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! Sebastian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp From gerold at lugd.org Fri Apr 20 16:35:08 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:35:08 +0200 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <200704201629.l3KGTVvH017038@m-02.th.seeweb.it> References: <200704201629.l3KGTVvH017038@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Message-ID: <1177086908.3751.5.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Hi, > Giuseppe Pignataro > > http://www.giuseppepignataro.net > > Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy ^^ Sorry, what's a "Fedora Core Ambassador"? Where is the difference to the "Fedora Ambassador" - title; is this a "Emerit" or "Honored" Ambassador? Thanks for explaining my stupid question (never heared before) ... 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As you know, beginning Release 7, there is no more "core" or "extras" only Fedora. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 19:25:59 2007 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:25:59 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200704192346.45609.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: Hi Sebastian, Welcome to the team. -- ??? ????? mak --------------------------------------------------------------- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] > Outside the project I'm a moderator in a german webforum (fedoraforum.de), > responsible for a german wiki (fedorawiki.de) and a german newsside for > fedora (fedorausers.de). > The last point is exactly, why I'm joining as an ambassador. In the last days > I've had extensive conversation with Gerold Kassube about integrating local > forums more into the community (here esp. fedoraforum.de). That's maybe also > a point that was discussed in a ambassadors meeting last year [2]. But I'll > explain that point respectively start this discussion later this week. > Besides this my time is quite limited and so I don't know what to do else > (concerning the open discussion about active/inactive ambassadors ;) ). But > maybe, when I'm getting more familiar, activity will grow. :) > And also: I've been planing to come to LinuxTag. So maybe I could help there > in some points. > > In this mail I just want to say: Hi all! > > Sebastian > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl > [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From kiluawuyu at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 04:34:08 2007 From: kiluawuyu at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?5ZC05oSa?=) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:34:08 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Self-Introduction Message-ID: <2a3228450704202134r458bf992if787fbf9517ef7db@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone! Sorry for my late self-introduction. I've got to deal with my dissertation last few days. Thanks very much for announcing me as an official Fedora Ambassador! I'm an undergraduate student of Tongji University, Shanghai, China, majored in Computer Science. Now I am recommended to have graduate course next term. I've been crazy about Fedora since last year. I attended the National Intel Embedded Competition at that time. All of my work was done under the Fedora Core 4 development environment. At that time, I was attracted by the power of Fedora and open source software. So I worked as hard as I could and as a result, I got the third-prize. But what's more important, I really enjoyed myself with Fedora and software packages related to it. Although I like Fedora the most, few people use Fedora or other Linux distributions. I want to share my happiness to as many people as I can, so I decided to get involved with FedoraProject and I'm already a member of L10n. Now, as an official Fedora Ambassador, I have a few plans. 1. As a Fedora/Linux rookie, I'll try my best to learn as much as I can in half a year. 2. Convince students around me to install and experience Fedora. (More than 5 people have already been persuaded to install FC6) 3. Half a year later, October or November, I'll build up an association about Fedora/Linux/Open Source Software in my university. Any suggestions? Thanks very much! Wu Yu From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 11:22:54 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:22:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Self-Introduction In-Reply-To: <2a3228450704202134r458bf992if787fbf9517ef7db@mail.gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IuWQtAnmhJoiJ3M=?= message of "Sat\, 21 Apr 2007 12\:34\:08 +0800") References: <2a3228450704202134r458bf992if787fbf9517ef7db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome on board ;) > Thanks very much for announcing me as an official Fedora Ambassador! > I'm an undergraduate student of Tongji University, Shanghai, China, > majored in Computer Science. Now I am recommended to have graduate > course next term. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From aks at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 21 11:59:56 2007 From: aks at fedoraproject.org (Abhishek Singh) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:44:56 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] Regarding Linux Talks and Fedora Education Message-ID: <4629FCBC.1030104@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear All, I would like to inform you all that I'm coordinating a programme called "Linux Talks" at our university. The programme is organized by Kathmandu University Open Source Community (KUOSC, see http://www.ku.edu.np/~kuosc) in joint collaboration with Kathmandu University Alumni Asscoiation (KUAA, see http://www.ku.edu.np/kuaa). The programme will cover the basics of Linux to some of the advanced level topics like server configuration, localisation and others. Although the programme is neutral to the distribution of Linux (as we'll be using two or three distros), we are focussing heavily upon the Fedora Core 6. The brief programme details are as below: Title of the Programme : Linux Talks Mission Statement: Choice for All Duration: 3 Months Total number of Sessions : 8-10 (at least one session per week) Total number of participants : 40-50 Topics to be covered: * An overview of FOSS and GNU/Linux * Open Office.Org : Use and Automation * Localisation and Nepali Applications * LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) Framework * Configuring Secure Servers in Linux (DHCP, DNS, BIND, SAMBA, NIS, NFS etc) * Security Concerns in Linux (Firewall Configuration) * Linux Desktop for productivity * Media Authoring using FOSS Tools * Content Management System (using Drupal) * OSI Approved Software Licenses This is just a rough sketch of the contents to be covered, and has not yet been finalised. I expect your help in restructuring and finalising the contents. Moreover, (as the programme moves heavily around FC6), I would like to request for your support and help regarding the presentations, documentations and other training materials. Meanwhile I wonder if I can continue this programme in conjugation with the Fedora Education. Could Fedora Community send us some promotional materials like banners, flyers etc.? Thank you. Sincerely, Abhishek Singh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AbhishekSingh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGKfy7F1RrmU5GquYRAuSSAKCr1jU2Sm6hUbfOp+lmxHJbivUoNQCfffwp EPVREbkt50Zuog1Oi8btTsE= =rWyb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rmalbrecht at googlemail.com Sat Apr 21 19:35:27 2007 From: rmalbrecht at googlemail.com (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:35:27 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Eventbox Message-ID: <462A677F.2030808@gmail.com> Hi, yesterday I was attending the Tux Kinderfest (http://www.gruene-neustadt.de/index.php/Tux_Kinderfest_2007) . The ideas was to introduce pupils and teachers to the OpenSource conecpts. We also showcased some apps like GCompris and Tuxpaint. We had a bunch of Fedora and Ubuntu desktops and laptops for hands on experience. The Ubuntu-People had an Eventbox. A rather large box containg 300 Ubuntu shipit-CDs, some Edubuntu CDs, an outboor-transparent, some stickers, some flyers, ... Really cool. cu romal From Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 22 09:35:46 2007 From: Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org (Bart De Soete) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:35:46 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Installing FC7-3 and options Message-ID: <644c0c0b0704220235y53f73fe7lbc9b82bf4d4cab8b@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, Have some questions about FC7-3. My workstations run on FC6, while I was forced to run OpenSuse 10.2 on my laptop 'cause of the problems with my network card and wireless controller. Now Realtek (my network card vendor) has already a working Linux-driver on their website. For my wireless controller (Intel 3945 Pro) their is a package for FC7 at ATRPM. So I'm planning to upgrade both workstations and my laptop to FC7-3. What are my options when FC7-Final is arriving? Can I upgrade my machines from FC7-3 to FC7-Final without reinstalling? If so, how? Regards, -- --- Bart De Soete, Fedora Ambassador ? Belgium From rmalbrecht at googlemail.com Sun Apr 22 13:11:50 2007 From: rmalbrecht at googlemail.com (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:11:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Eventbox Message-ID: <462B5F16.3090605@gmail.com> Hi, yesterday I was attending the Tux Kinderfest (http://www.gruene-neustadt.de/index.php/Tux_Kinderfest_2007) . The idea was to introduce pupils and teachers to the OpenSource conecpts. We also showcased some apps like GCompris and Tuxpaint. We had a bunch of Fedora and Ubuntu desktops and laptops for handson experience. The Ubuntu-People had an Eventbox. A rather large box containg 300 Ubuntu shipit-CDs, some Edubuntu CDs, an outboor-transparent, some stickers, some flyers, ... Really cool. cu romal From gpex at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 22 14:17:41 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe Pignataro) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:17:41 +0200 Subject: R: R: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704201034v4c1579f0y1a8ed1b8390631e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200704221417.l3MEHMB4015236@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Excuse me!!! Giuseppe Pignataro http://www.giuseppepignataro.net Fedora Ambassador for Italy A KDE italian translator Socio TAU Visual Member of ILS -----Messaggio originale----- Da: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Per conto di Thomas Chung Inviato: venerd? 20 aprile 2007 19.34 A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself On 4/20/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi, > > > Giuseppe Pignataro > > > > http://www.giuseppepignataro.net > > > > Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy > ^^ > Sorry, what's a "Fedora Core Ambassador"? All, Please avoid using "Fedora Core Ambassador" in the email signature. As you know, beginning Release 7, there is no more "core" or "extras" only Fedora. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar Mon Apr 23 00:06:04 2007 From: pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:06:04 -0300 (ART) Subject: R: [Ambassadors] Introduce myself In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704201034v4c1579f0y1a8ed1b8390631e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200704201629.l3KGTVvH017038@m-02.th.seeweb.it> <1177086908.3751.5.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <369bce3b0704201034v4c1579f0y1a8ed1b8390631e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62713.190.49.137.172.1177286764.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.com.ar> Welcome Lucas to the team! As webmaster of Proyecto Fedora.com.ar website, Lucas has all the stuff, news and technology up todate, working with me in meetings at night in the west side of Buenos Aires sometimes, traveling to Buenos Aires almost 20 kms per day, studying, working, so I am very proud about Lucas, the new ambassador for Argentina. it means that we are not more two or three working, we are a team, growing and spreading the Fedora voice in Southamerica. And this is the beggining! Welcome again Lucas -- Pablo Barrera http://fedoraproject.org/Wiki/PabloBarrera pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar El Vie, 20 de Abril de 2007, 2:34 pm, Thomas Chung escribi?: > On 4/20/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > Giuseppe Pignataro >> > >> > http://www.giuseppepignataro.net >> > >> > Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy >> ^^ >> Sorry, what's a "Fedora Core Ambassador"? > > All, > Please avoid using "Fedora Core Ambassador" in the email signature. > As you know, beginning Release 7, there is no more "core" or "extras" > only Fedora. :) > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar Mon Apr 23 00:08:37 2007 From: pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:08:37 -0300 (ART) Subject: [Ambassadors] spanish sites latam In-Reply-To: <46295B82.5050503@gmail.com> References: <46295B82.5050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62724.190.49.137.172.1177286917.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.com.ar> A hand is available to work on this sites from Argentina! Lets start to work! My jabber is pablobarrera07 at jabber.org keep in touch -- Pablo Barrera http://fedoraproject.org/Wiki/PabloBarrera pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar El Vie, 20 de Abril de 2007, 9:32 pm, "Guillermo G??mez S." escribi?: > hi all > > Just to point out that i included in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International some community sites from > our region. > Also calling for people to contribute to mx and pe sites which are still > in a very early stage. > > kr > > -- > Gomix > Guillermo G??mez S. > cms fedora-ve http://www.fedora-ve.org > blog http://blog.gomix.org > soporte fedora-ve en irc.freenode.net, canal fedora-ve > lista email fedora-ve at googlegroups.com > Key fingerprint = 3143 8BDB 48A2 3241 E62A B743 D177 CAD7 3205 A464 > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar Mon Apr 23 00:08:37 2007 From: pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:08:37 -0300 (ART) Subject: [Ambassadors] spanish sites latam Message-ID: <62725.190.49.137.172.1177286917.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.com.ar> A hand is available to work on this sites from Argentina! Lets start to work! My jabber is pablobarrera07 at jabber.org keep in touch -- Pablo Barrera http://fedoraproject.org/Wiki/PabloBarrera pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar El Vie, 20 de Abril de 2007, 9:32 pm, "Guillermo G??mez S." escribi?: > hi all > > Just to point out that i included in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International some community sites from > our region. > Also calling for people to contribute to mx and pe sites which are still > in a very early stage. > > kr > > -- > Gomix > Guillermo G??mez S. > cms fedora-ve http://www.fedora-ve.org > blog http://blog.gomix.org > soporte fedora-ve en irc.freenode.net, canal fedora-ve > lista email fedora-ve at googlegroups.com > Key fingerprint = 3143 8BDB 48A2 3241 E62A B743 D177 CAD7 3205 A464 > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Apr 23 12:23:40 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:23:40 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Eventbox In-Reply-To: <462B5F16.3090605@gmail.com> References: <462B5F16.3090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <462CA54C.4040505@elfshadow.net> Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > The Ubuntu-People had an Eventbox. A rather large box containg 300 > Ubuntu shipit-CDs, some Edubuntu CDs, an outboor-transparent, some > stickers, some flyers, ... The Gnome folks also have something similar to facilitate quick and easy booth setup. We have talked about it some here, I have a Wiki page up describing my proposed Event Box: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox It is geared more towards easy booth setup and pointers to where one can get the templates for brochures, T-Shirts, etc since we tend to encourage local production of DVDs, T-Shirts, stickers, etc. I have not had a chance to work on it much over the past few weeks due to a new child in the family. Still working to get back to normal from that! --Jeffrey From lin at dr-hank.com Mon Apr 23 15:48:07 2007 From: lin at dr-hank.com (Lin Juan Carlos) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:48:07 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Core in Paraguay In-Reply-To: References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> Hi all!, I am in an abisious program to promote Fedora Core in Paraguay DISTRIBUTE 10.000 COPIES OF FEDORA CORE FOLLOWED WITH BASIC TRAINING Paraguay has about 6.000.000 population, that meas a copy for eah 600 persons or a copy for each 30 families aprox. Will like to have sopport of ambassadors arround, by participating in conference to start distribution, in schools, universities and state departments. The oficial language in Praguay is Spanish and Guarani, and time is GMT-3:00 Please let me know who can travel to Paraguay, hotel and meet will be at account of local bodies. Since we can not ask for money for Fedora Project, I propouse to ask donation of the Local of Convention, 10.000 Copies (Already OK) and Hotel + Restaurant + Trasnportation. June/July can be a good target month. Juan Carlos Lin lin at dr-hank.com From pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar Mon Apr 23 16:53:59 2007 From: pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:53:59 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Core in Paraguay In-Reply-To: <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> Message-ID: <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> Hi Juan Carlos, I am Pablo Barrera, I can travel to paraguay to make some speechs. Eventually (not consulted yet) we can go with Nicolas Corrarelo from Red HAt to include technical install. I wan talking with Darlon of FC Brasil who is from Paraguay to start some activities, last FISL in PY. If you are interested we can start the website for PY just like www.proyectofedora.com.ar, to start publishing and support you work. Waiting for feedback sending you my greetings from Buenos Aires Pablo Barrera Fedora Ambassador Argentina pablobarrera07 at jabber.org Lin Juan Carlos escribi?: > Hi all!, > > I am in an abisious program to promote Fedora Core in Paraguay > > DISTRIBUTE 10.000 COPIES OF FEDORA CORE FOLLOWED WITH BASIC TRAINING > > Paraguay has about 6.000.000 population, that meas a copy for eah 600 persons or a copy > for each 30 families aprox. > > Will like to have sopport of ambassadors arround, by participating in conference to > start distribution, in schools, universities and state departments. > The oficial language in Praguay is Spanish and Guarani, and time is GMT-3:00 > > Please let me know who can travel to Paraguay, hotel and meet will be at account of > local bodies. > > Since we can not ask for money for Fedora Project, I propouse to ask donation of the > Local of Convention, 10.000 Copies (Already OK) and Hotel + Restaurant + Trasnportation. > > June/July can be a good target month. > > > Juan Carlos Lin > lin at dr-hank.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 2212 (20070423) __________ > > Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system > http://www.nod32.com > > > > From mauricio at projetofedora.org Mon Apr 23 17:30:25 2007 From: mauricio at projetofedora.org (Mauricio Pretto) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:30:25 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Core in Paraguay In-Reply-To: <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> Message-ID: <462CED31.5000908@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can travel to paraguay as well for speechs or technical support, just need to check the date when its avaliable. I can speak good castellano. Hasta Luego ;) Mauricio Pretto e-mail:hash at fedoraproject.org Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MauricioPretto Pablo Barrera escreveu: > Hi Juan Carlos, > I am Pablo Barrera, I can travel to paraguay to make some speechs. > Eventually (not consulted yet) we can go with > Nicolas Corrarelo from Red HAt to include technical install. > I wan talking with Darlon of FC Brasil who is from Paraguay to start > some activities, last FISL in PY. > If you are interested we can start the website for PY just like > www.proyectofedora.com.ar, to start publishing and support > you work. > > Waiting for feedback sending you my greetings from Buenos Aires > > Pablo Barrera > Fedora Ambassador Argentina > pablobarrera07 at jabber.org > > > > > > Lin Juan Carlos escribi?: >> Hi all!, >> >> I am in an abisious program to promote Fedora Core in Paraguay >> >> DISTRIBUTE 10.000 COPIES OF FEDORA CORE FOLLOWED WITH BASIC TRAINING >> >> Paraguay has about 6.000.000 population, that meas a copy for eah 600 >> persons or a copy >> for each 30 families aprox. >> >> Will like to have sopport of ambassadors arround, by participating in >> conference to >> start distribution, in schools, universities and state departments. >> The oficial language in Praguay is Spanish and Guarani, and time is >> GMT-3:00 >> >> Please let me know who can travel to Paraguay, hotel and meet will be >> at account of >> local bodies. >> >> Since we can not ask for money for Fedora Project, I propouse to ask >> donation of the >> Local of Convention, 10.000 Copies (Already OK) and Hotel + Restaurant >> + Trasnportation. >> >> June/July can be a good target month. >> >> >> Juan Carlos Lin >> lin at dr-hank.com >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 2212 (20070423) __________ >> >> Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGLO0x9UY7Qym3OmoRAkCyAJ9Ipjm0wq5BXUry2/MUaNoqjGEXEACfYLb0 fAeMrK7Ie47tRv9iUSnMZac= =zIbR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lin at dr-hank.com Mon Apr 23 17:35:38 2007 From: lin at dr-hank.com (Lin Juan Carlos) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:35:38 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Core in Paraguay In-Reply-To: <462CED31.5000908@projetofedora.org> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> <462CED31.5000908@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <20070423173435.M31451@dr-hank.com> Gracias Mauricio, Cuento contigo para las clases de instalaci?n y manutenci?n de Fedora Core Juan Carlos Lin On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:30:25 -0300, Mauricio Pretto wrote > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I can travel to paraguay as well for speechs or technical support, just > need to check the date when its avaliable. > I can speak good castellano. > > Hasta Luego ;) > > Mauricio Pretto > e-mail:hash at fedoraproject.org > Brazilian Fedora Ambassador > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MauricioPretto > > Pablo Barrera escreveu: > > Hi Juan Carlos, > > I am Pablo Barrera, I can travel to paraguay to make some speechs. > > Eventually (not consulted yet) we can go with > > Nicolas Corrarelo from Red HAt to include technical install. > > I wan talking with Darlon of FC Brasil who is from Paraguay to start > > some activities, last FISL in PY. > > If you are interested we can start the website for PY just like > > www.proyectofedora.com.ar, to start publishing and support > > you work. > > > > Waiting for feedback sending you my greetings from Buenos Aires > > > > Pablo Barrera > > Fedora Ambassador Argentina > > pablobarrera07 at jabber.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin Juan Carlos escribi?: > >> Hi all!, > >> > >> I am in an abisious program to promote Fedora Core in Paraguay > >> > >> DISTRIBUTE 10.000 COPIES OF FEDORA CORE FOLLOWED WITH BASIC TRAINING > >> > >> Paraguay has about 6.000.000 population, that meas a copy for eah 600 > >> persons or a copy > >> for each 30 families aprox. > >> > >> Will like to have sopport of ambassadors arround, by participating in > >> conference to > >> start distribution, in schools, universities and state departments. > >> The oficial language in Praguay is Spanish and Guarani, and time is > >> GMT-3:00 > >> > >> Please let me know who can travel to Paraguay, hotel and meet will be > >> at account of > >> local bodies. > >> > >> Since we can not ask for money for Fedora Project, I propouse to ask > >> donation of the > >> Local of Convention, 10.000 Copies (Already OK) and Hotel + Restaurant > >> + Trasnportation. > >> > >> June/July can be a good target month. > >> > >> > >> Juan Carlos Lin > >> lin at dr-hank.com > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 2212 (20070423) __________ > >> > >> Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system > >> http://www.nod32.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGLO0x9UY7Qym3OmoRAkCyAJ9Ipjm0wq5BXUry2/MUaNoqjGEXEACfYLb0 > fAeMrK7Ie47tRv9iUSnMZac= > =zIbR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Juan Carlos Lin lin at dr-hank.com From ncorrare at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 20:21:05 2007 From: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org (Nicolas Antonio Corrarello) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:21:05 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Core in Paraguay In-Reply-To: <20070423173435.M31451@dr-hank.com> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> <462CED31.5000908@projetofedora.org> <20070423173435.M31451@dr-hank.com> Message-ID: <462D1531.2050400@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Conta con nuestra ayuda desde Fedora Argentina, tanto de Pablo como mia - -- - - -- Nicolas A. Corrarello, RHCE p: +54 (11) 4903-4112 Fedora Ambassador Argentina c: +54 (911) 5182-2245 GPG Key: DFC893EE e: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org GPG Fingerprint: 5C93 42DA 98E1 4EEF B24B 7F8C E145 B2F9 DFC8 93EE Import my key: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xDFC893EE Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit San Diego | May 9-11, 2007 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2007 Lin Juan Carlos escribi?: > Gracias Mauricio, > > Cuento contigo para las clases de instalaci?n y manutenci?n de Fedora Core > > Juan Carlos Lin > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:30:25 -0300, Mauricio Pretto wrote > > Hash: SHA1 > > I can travel to paraguay as well for speechs or technical support, just > need to check the date when its avaliable. > I can speak good castellano. > > Hasta Luego ;) > > Mauricio Pretto > e-mail:hash at fedoraproject.org > Brazilian Fedora Ambassador > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MauricioPretto > > Pablo Barrera escreveu: >>>> Hi Juan Carlos, >>>> I am Pablo Barrera, I can travel to paraguay to make some speechs. >>>> Eventually (not consulted yet) we can go with >>>> Nicolas Corrarelo from Red HAt to include technical install. >>>> I wan talking with Darlon of FC Brasil who is from Paraguay to start >>>> some activities, last FISL in PY. >>>> If you are interested we can start the website for PY just like >>>> www.proyectofedora.com.ar, to start publishing and support >>>> you work. >>>> >>>> Waiting for feedback sending you my greetings from Buenos Aires >>>> >>>> Pablo Barrera >>>> Fedora Ambassador Argentina >>>> pablobarrera07 at jabber.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lin Juan Carlos escribi?: >>>>> Hi all!, >>>>> >>>>> I am in an abisious program to promote Fedora Core in Paraguay >>>>> >>>>> DISTRIBUTE 10.000 COPIES OF FEDORA CORE FOLLOWED WITH BASIC TRAINING >>>>> >>>>> Paraguay has about 6.000.000 population, that meas a copy for eah 600 >>>>> persons or a copy >>>>> for each 30 families aprox. >>>>> >>>>> Will like to have sopport of ambassadors arround, by participating in >>>>> conference to >>>>> start distribution, in schools, universities and state departments. >>>>> The oficial language in Praguay is Spanish and Guarani, and time is >>>>> GMT-3:00 >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know who can travel to Paraguay, hotel and meet will be >>>>> at account of >>>>> local bodies. >>>>> >>>>> Since we can not ask for money for Fedora Project, I propouse to ask >>>>> donation of the >>>>> Local of Convention, 10.000 Copies (Already OK) and Hotel + Restaurant >>>>> + Trasnportation. >>>>> >>>>> June/July can be a good target month. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Juan Carlos Lin >>>>> lin at dr-hank.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>>> >>>>> __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 2212 (20070423) __________ >>>>> >>>>> Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system >>>>> http://www.nod32.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Juan Carlos Lin > lin at dr-hank.com > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGLRUx4UWy+d/Ik+4RAt3CAJ9M2h5+zY8z91Xso6WJuuXXVqvK8wCdH2lI skpAy+aM0HHZLpwD6Z0UXi0= =+ggM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bogo at spisanie.com Tue Apr 24 07:16:21 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:16:21 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Core in Paraguay In-Reply-To: <462D1531.2050400@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> <462CED31.5000908@projetofedora.org> <20070423173435.M31451@dr-hank.com> <462D1531.2050400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <462DAEC5.1080208@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I think official language of this list is English. Bogo Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: > Conta con nuestra ayuda desde Fedora Argentina, tanto de Pablo como mia > > - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list - -- Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Sofia, Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.org bogo at spisanie.com jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGLa7FvnZHkQPM91ARAlRUAJ4zp+w7dw1+kkP5A1q9L9Q/R44NhwCgg6nD DfcriyQeGWhBdV+rJSqU8nc= =WkHf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bogo at spisanie.com Tue Apr 24 08:26:19 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:26:19 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] A very strange request (please read) Message-ID: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, My name is Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov. I am fedora ambassador in Bulgaria and I am also open source guy from many years. I am writing you on behalf a problem and an international humanitarian campaign. I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the camapign here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this problem. You can see postions of USA and EU and more countries here too: http://nestesami.bg/main/publications.php I am bogomil in freenode if you need more details. Regards Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.org bogo at spisanie.com jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFGLb8rvnZHkQPM91ARAveqAJ0eVdHd2DKddBMcbAbbBcU0X86k6wCYldAq AXdRD3RDgseuZyVu2pBc4w== =qSD0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 24 09:06:29 2007 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:06:29 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: A very strange request (please read) In-Reply-To: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> References: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> Message-ID: <200704241106.34531.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 10:26 schrieb Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov: > I am writing you on behalf a > problem and an international humanitarian campaign. > I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the camapign > here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php > If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project > and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this > problem. Yes, OpenSource stand also for humanity, but so important this Campain is - the Fedoraproject should not focus on "more" political statements - there are to many, to cover it all. (hunger, discrimination ... ) I think work on Fedoraproject is a little piece to make the World better. Cheers Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov escribi?: > Hi all, > I think official language of this list is English. > > Bogo > > Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: >> Conta con nuestra ayuda desde Fedora Argentina, tanto de Pablo como mia > > > - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGLgYh4UWy+d/Ik+4RArVoAJ92DM7c/VM1AeX9XcnroWazTfKLEACfc233 Peyml9VzDDm5Oy+zgiNnv94= =33Pg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From omen at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 24 17:17:30 2007 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (SaadAlDine AlSaidi) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:17:30 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] A very strange request (please read) In-Reply-To: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> References: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> Message-ID: <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:26, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: > Dear all, > My name is Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov. I am fedora ambassador in Bulgaria and > I am also open source guy from many years. I am writing you on behalf a > problem and an international humanitarian campaign. > > I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the camapign > here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php > > > If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project > and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this > problem. > > You can see postions of USA and EU and more countries here too: > http://nestesami.bg/main/publications.php > > I am bogomil in freenode if you need more details. > > Regards > Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov > Fedora Ambassador > Bulgaria > > +359 897 61 51 28 > bogomil at fedoraproject.org > bogo at spisanie.com > > jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org > profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov > > --- > Knowledge belongs to all Dear Bogomil, I would really like you to consider Libyan nurses in Bulgaria "a country i really respect & love" are injecting people with HIV virus? what would you do? how do you react toward this issue? how does your government react, I'm sorry man, but these nurses polluted much of people's blood, more than they can be forgiven. And if you now like to consider another aspect you are free but remember, they got paid well for this, after all they wont risk there life in country that don't tolerate this kind of action. Once more, I'm very sorry for this language but i needed to add another point of view, beside that i really hope they go home safe and sound. but as we all know if they don't get punished now karma will, and then it will really hurt more. peace ----------------------- SaadAldine AlSaidi From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 24 18:02:30 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-26 22:00 UTC Message-ID: <369bce3b0704241102v595682e1s4e6871f2f108385c@mail.gmail.com> Just to remind you, we will have a meeting at 2007-04-26 22:00 UTC Please check your local time and add your agenda to our wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-26 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Apr 24 20:49:44 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:49:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] A very strange request (please read) In-Reply-To: <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> References: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <462E6D68.2090508@kanarip.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please, all, this is not the type of mailing list for that type of discussion. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen SaadAlDine AlSaidi wrote: > On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:26, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: >> Dear all, >> My name is Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov. I am fedora ambassador in Bulgaria and >> I am also open source guy from many years. I am writing you on behalf a >> problem and an international humanitarian campaign. >> >> I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the camapign >> here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php >> >> >> If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project >> and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this >> problem. >> >> You can see postions of USA and EU and more countries here too: >> http://nestesami.bg/main/publications.php >> >> I am bogomil in freenode if you need more details. >> >> Regards >> Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov >> Fedora Ambassador >> Bulgaria >> >> +359 897 61 51 28 >> bogomil at fedoraproject.org >> bogo at spisanie.com >> >> jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org >> profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov >> >> --- >> Knowledge belongs to all > Dear Bogomil, > > I would really like you to consider Libyan nurses in Bulgaria "a country i > really respect & love" are injecting people with HIV virus? what would you > do? how do you react toward this issue? how does your government react, > I'm sorry man, but these nurses polluted much of people's blood, more than > they can be forgiven. > And if you now like to consider another aspect you are free but remember, they > got paid well for this, after all they wont risk there life in country that > don't tolerate this kind of action. > > Once more, I'm very sorry for this language but i needed to add another point > of view, beside that i really hope they go home safe and sound. but as we all > know if they don't get punished now karma will, and then it will really hurt > more. > > peace > ----------------------- > SaadAldine AlSaidi > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGLm1oKN6f2pNCvwgRArB6AJ44jdzfSZ8tV5fADrbw1DCfMSLwlACfa5PM j+tbYuj5hth4yEtydwFG2vg= =qcKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Wed Apr 25 00:33:00 2007 From: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com (Doctor Bernadine) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:33:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: MedHelp 18303 Message-ID: <20070424023334.21816.qmail@adsl-068-213-168-002.sip.shv.bellsouth.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar Wed Apr 25 00:34:17 2007 From: pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:34:17 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Theres spam in Ambassador list In-Reply-To: <462DAEC5.1080208@spisanie.com> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> <20070423153818.M54219@dr-hank.com> <462CE4A7.40604@proyectofedora.com.ar> <462CED31.5000908@projetofedora.org> <20070423173435.M31451@dr-hank.com> <462D1531.2050400@fedoraproject.org> <462DAEC5.1080208@spisanie.com> Message-ID: <462EA209.1070604@proyectofedora.com.ar> Whats happened? regards P. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > I think official language of this list is English. > > Bogo > > Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: > >> Conta con nuestra ayuda desde Fedora Argentina, tanto de Pablo como mia >> >> >> > > - -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > - -- > Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov > Fedora Ambassador > Sofia, Bulgaria > > +359 897 61 51 28 > bogomil at fedoraproject.org > bogo at spisanie.com > > jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org > profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov > > - --- > Knowledge belongs to all > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGLa7FvnZHkQPM91ARAlRUAJ4zp+w7dw1+kkP5A1q9L9Q/R44NhwCgg6nD > DfcriyQeGWhBdV+rJSqU8nc= > =WkHf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 2213 (20070423) __________ > > Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system > http://www.nod32.com > > > > From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 25 00:51:08 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:51:08 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Spam Mail from fedora-ambassdors-list Message-ID: <369bce3b0704241751o387c9a79y743637b3ea3cb683@mail.gmail.com> After a quick investigation, it was a spammer who used domain redhat.com in from field. I removed the filter which automatically accepting email with domain redhat.com from fedora-ambassadors-list. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 25 07:22:21 2007 From: Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org (Bart De Soete) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:22:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] A very strange request (please read) In-Reply-To: <462E6D68.2090508@kanarip.com> References: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> <462E6D68.2090508@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <644c0c0b0704250022h7b72da55y1735f661b79fc692@mail.gmail.com> I agree. Regards, 2007/4/24, Jeroen van Meeuwen : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Please, all, > > this is not the type of mailing list for that type of discussion. > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > SaadAlDine AlSaidi wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:26, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: > >> Dear all, > >> My name is Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov. I am fedora ambassador in Bulgaria and > >> I am also open source guy from many years. I am writing you on behalf a > >> problem and an international humanitarian campaign. > >> > >> I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the camapign > >> here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php > >> > >> > >> If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project > >> and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this > >> problem. > >> > >> You can see postions of USA and EU and more countries here too: > >> http://nestesami.bg/main/publications.php > >> > >> I am bogomil in freenode if you need more details. > >> > >> Regards > >> Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> Bulgaria > >> > >> +359 897 61 51 28 > >> bogomil at fedoraproject.org > >> bogo at spisanie.com > >> > >> jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org > >> profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov > >> > >> --- > >> Knowledge belongs to all > > Dear Bogomil, > > > > I would really like you to consider Libyan nurses in Bulgaria "a country i > > really respect & love" are injecting people with HIV virus? what would you > > do? how do you react toward this issue? how does your government react, > > I'm sorry man, but these nurses polluted much of people's blood, more than > > they can be forgiven. > > And if you now like to consider another aspect you are free but > remember, they > > got paid well for this, after all they wont risk there life in country > that > > don't tolerate this kind of action. > > > > Once more, I'm very sorry for this language but i needed to add another > point > > of view, beside that i really hope they go home safe and sound. but as > we all > > know if they don't get punished now karma will, and then it will really > hurt > > more. > > > > peace > > ----------------------- > > SaadAldine AlSaidi > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFGLm1oKN6f2pNCvwgRArB6AJ44jdzfSZ8tV5fADrbw1DCfMSLwlACfa5PM > j+tbYuj5hth4yEtydwFG2vg= > =qcKq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Bart De Soete, Fedora Ambassador ? Belgium From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 07:38:05 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:38:05 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] A very strange request (please read) In-Reply-To: <644c0c0b0704250022h7b72da55y1735f661b79fc692@mail.gmail.com> References: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> <462E6D68.2090508@kanarip.com> <644c0c0b0704250022h7b72da55y1735f661b79fc692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704250038w28597c08hb7040bc2a4c0c0f4@mail.gmail.com> On 4/25/07, Bart De Soete wrote: > > I agree. > > Regards, > > > 2007/4/24, Jeroen van Meeuwen : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Please, all, > > > > this is not the type of mailing list for that type of discussion. Yeah, this is highly OT thread, we should keep our personal interest out of fedora list. > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > > > SaadAlDine AlSaidi wrote: > > > On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:26, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: > > >> Dear all, > > >> My name is Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov. I am fedora ambassador in Bulgaria > and > > >> I am also open source guy from many years. I am writing you on behalf > a > > >> problem and an international humanitarian campaign. > > >> > > >> I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the > camapign > > >> here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php > > >> > > >> > > >> If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project > > >> and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to > this > > >> problem. > > >> > > >> You can see postions of USA and EU and more countries here too: > > >> http://nestesami.bg/main/publications.php > > >> > > >> I am bogomil in freenode if you need more details. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov > > >> Fedora Ambassador > > >> Bulgaria > > >> > > >> +359 897 61 51 28 > > >> bogomil at fedoraproject.org > > >> bogo at spisanie.com > > >> > > >> jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org > > >> profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov > > >> > > >> --- > > >> Knowledge belongs to all > > > Dear Bogomil, > > > > > > I would really like you to consider Libyan nurses in Bulgaria "a > country i > > > really respect & love" are injecting people with HIV virus? what would > you > > > do? how do you react toward this issue? how does your government > react, > > > I'm sorry man, but these nurses polluted much of people's blood, more > than > > > they can be forgiven. > > > And if you now like to consider another aspect you are free but > > remember, they > > > got paid well for this, after all they wont risk there life in country > > that > > > don't tolerate this kind of action. > > > > > > Once more, I'm very sorry for this language but i needed to add > another > > point > > > of view, beside that i really hope they go home safe and sound. but as > > we all > > > know if they don't get punished now karma will, and then it will > really > > hurt > > > more. > > > > > > peace > > > ----------------------- > > > SaadAldine AlSaidi > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > > > iD8DBQFGLm1oKN6f2pNCvwgRArB6AJ44jdzfSZ8tV5fADrbw1DCfMSLwlACfa5PM > > j+tbYuj5hth4yEtydwFG2vg= > > =qcKq > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Bart De Soete, > > Fedora Ambassador ? Belgium > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 11:54:41 2007 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:54:41 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] A very strange request (please read) In-Reply-To: <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> References: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> <200704242017.30404.omen@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070425115441.GA7519@gja.in> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, SaadAlDine AlSaidi sent out 2.0K bytes to say: > On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:26, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote: > > If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project > > and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this > > problem. Errr, sorry, I doubt that the fedora project would make such a loud political protest on a non-comp sci related topic. -- Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in From jbwillia at fedoraunity.org Thu Apr 26 07:23:01 2007 From: jbwillia at fedoraunity.org (jbwillia at fedoraunity.org) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:23:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ambassadors] Carolinacon Report Message-ID: <37223.198.82.185.72.1177572181.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> CarolinaCon was a very interesting event. There was proable about 100-150 attendees. From the grapevine after the event there have been 20 new fedora installs. I gave a presentation entitled "Overview of Fedora and Fedora Unity.org". (yes i will post it on the site as soon as i get a chance). Due to other obligations I will not be able to be at the meeting tonight. Ben Williams JamesBenWilliams From ml at deadbabylon.de Thu Apr 26 14:51:44 2007 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:51:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The fedora project and local forums Message-ID: <200704261651.51110.ml@deadbabylon.de> Hi. I've described in my "hello"-mail that I want to start a discussion about the status of local forums inside/outside the project and also the contact with them. There are many international community websites out there [1]. But ATM their only relationship to the project is that they use fedora. That's a point you have also noticed in a FAD last year [2]. So I would like to talk about how to integrate them more into the project, talk to them and so on. In my opinion forums and esp. local forums are the users first touch with fedora (besides the installation itself). Of course only for those that like forums - if they like IRC or mailinglists more they can use the _official_ irc channels and mailinglists (and also in their language). But the forums are normally called "community websites" - for different reasons. But if we (as fedora project not as a lonely ambassador) can get in contact with them and they get more involved in the project (as a forum, not as a normal person) this could be a benefit for all of us. The first question here is if you have already discussed this in the past? If not it would be a good start to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of this. I have some ideas for this but first I'd like to hear your opinion. :) Sebastian P.S.: If you hink that this question is absolutely wrong on this list, please say "stop". :) [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityWebsites and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/International [2] http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/FAD/FAD.odp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 26 17:47:15 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:47:15 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Carolinacon Report In-Reply-To: <37223.198.82.185.72.1177572181.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> References: <37223.198.82.185.72.1177572181.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704261047s1545a5aek3272ea8b722fba06@mail.gmail.com> On 4/26/07, jbwillia at fedoraunity.org wrote: > CarolinaCon was a very interesting event. There was proable about 100-150 > attendees. From the grapevine after the event there have been 20 new > fedora installs. I gave a presentation entitled "Overview of Fedora and > Fedora Unity.org". (yes i will post it on the site as soon as i get a > chance). > > Due to other obligations I will not be able to be at the meeting tonight. > > > Ben Williams > JamesBenWilliams Thank you Ben for the report. I'll post your report to the wiki and next issue of FWN. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 26 18:14:58 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-26 22:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704241102v595682e1s4e6871f2f108385c@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704241102v595682e1s4e6871f2f108385c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704261114s2e7f643bp122057a9d7428d55@mail.gmail.com> Here is another reminder for today's meeting. We will have a meeting at 2007-04-26 22:00 UTC Please check your local time and add your agenda to our wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-26 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 26 23:06:48 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:06:48 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes for 2007-04-26 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704261606t3b09b40bl214e2f6d4648fbfc@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes for 2007-04-26 is available at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-04-26 Our next meeting will be on 2007-05-03 at 14:00 UTC http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2007-05-03 Please check your local time and make sure to add your agenda to this page. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From ncorrare at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 26 23:12:10 2007 From: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org (Nicolas Antonio Corrarello) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:12:10 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Radio DAY :D!!!! Message-ID: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear All: Tomorrow, we will be on Air on a known radio in Buenos Aires making a live installation of fedora in a Laptop (owned by the anker of the show). Also we will talk about the install fest FLISOL (on saturday in all Latin America), OLPC (I'll take one to the show so the anker can test it with the latest release), Free Software, and more! We will be giving away on the radio a Fedora Install Manual made by Pablo Barrera (Fedora Ambassador also from Argentina). So wish us luck!!!! If i'm able I'll upload it (sorry, spanish only) Y.S. - -- - - -- Nicolas A. Corrarello, RHCE p: +54 (11) 4903-4112 Fedora Ambassador Argentina c: +54 (911) 5182-2245 GPG Key: DFC893EE e: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org GPG Fingerprint: 5C93 42DA 98E1 4EEF B24B 7F8C E145 B2F9 DFC8 93EE Import my key: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xDFC893EE Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit San Diego | May 9-11, 2007 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFGMTHK4UWy+d/Ik+4RAkULAKCnw1KkBmPL4I7kysSspK2xzGwgcQCTBqwV j6ot060siTR1TdyUEwROag== =QeKI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Fri Apr 27 02:25:29 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Radio DAY :D!!!! In-Reply-To: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> References: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Wow. Good luck -- very exciting! --g On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear All: > Tomorrow, we will be on Air on a known radio in Buenos Aires making a > live installation of fedora in a Laptop (owned by the anker of the > show). Also we will talk about the install fest FLISOL (on saturday in > all Latin America), OLPC (I'll take one to the show so the anker can > test it with the latest release), Free Software, and more! We will be > giving away on the radio a Fedora Install Manual made by Pablo Barrera > (Fedora Ambassador also from Argentina). > > So wish us luck!!!! If i'm able I'll upload it (sorry, spanish only) > > > Y.S. > - -- > - - -- > Nicolas A. Corrarello, RHCE p: +54 (11) 4903-4112 > Fedora Ambassador Argentina c: +54 (911) 5182-2245 > GPG Key: DFC893EE e: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org > GPG Fingerprint: 5C93 42DA 98E1 4EEF B24B 7F8C E145 B2F9 DFC8 93EE > Import my key: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xDFC893EE > Learn. Network. Experience open source. > Red Hat Summit San Diego | May 9-11, 2007 > Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2007 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD4DBQFGMTHK4UWy+d/Ik+4RAkULAKCnw1KkBmPL4I7kysSspK2xzGwgcQCTBqwV > j6ot060siTR1TdyUEwROag== > =QeKI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar Fri Apr 27 04:56:56 2007 From: pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:56:56 -0300 (ART) Subject: [Ambassadors] Activities in Argentina since January In-Reply-To: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> References: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <62363.190.50.157.69.1177649816.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.com.ar> Hi Ambassadors! Heres the news from the last four months As Leader of the CoreTeam of Proyecto Fedora Argentina, the activities day by day are pretty hard. Dedicated almost 4 hours per day to talk to Universities (the main target of the local project) creating contents for the websites, strategic agreements with non profit organizations and thigns like that, takes our work to the limit. But this limit is the deepest sensation of "make the difference" . Since January, when I start the project in Buenos Aires, Julian Somodi ( Director of Red Hat Southamerica) , spents hours with me talking about the need to spread and "recreate" the Open Source community in Argentina. So, thats the point, spread the knowledge with the Fedora weapons, means more than spread Linux. Means transfer the knowledge for everyone. This is the hire point of success of Fedora in Argentina. Our Activities in Time Line December 26th 2006 Red Hat SouthAmerica Offices. The plan was ready. Our main target will be Universities, project starts January 8th. JAN -Proyecto Fedora Argentina Web site was ready. Later this was transfered to a .com.ar domain for security reasons. A respin version of Joomla and 47 hours of pacthing was necessary to put the site on line. -Starting the Universities trip. UADE and UAI confirmed meetings for Frebruary. FEB UADE and UAI accepted to collaborate with Fedora in Argentina. Confirming Fedora Showcase for May, 2007 The Induction Manual #| (A pressed magazine with 32 pages) was designed. Santiago Silva from Red Hat developes my writings and modification of the official installation manual. The Argentinian DVD Edition was confirmed for FLISOL 2007. MAR I signed a " frame contract" with UAI, to start the FEdora local project inside UAI since June. All the stuff are in preparation for late May. Alejandro Casas (IBM/LUGUM) accept to spread Fedora Argentina in and public University: UNMM. We start to work on line, to get some sponsors and resources to make possible the presentation of Fedora Argentina in FLISOL. Thanx to Alejandro for Support. Lucas Coudures Joins the Team. Member of LUGUM (Linux Users Group Universidad de la Matanza). Lucas become the leader webmaster of the project. He is manager of the local mailing list, too. LUGUM team visits Fedora and Red Hat team to spread Fedora and Red Hat Activities in University of La Matanza.(The Lug University) Nicolas, as a new ambassador, starts some talkings at OLPC meetings in Buenos Aires. APR Lucas Coudures starts this own ambassador road. Good luck! (a lot of work is coming!) I traveled to Porto Alegre (Brazil) to FISL 8 2007, to give a little speech about Proyecto Fedora Argentina in a 250 people audiences. David Barzilay from Red Hat Brazil and Fedora Brazil Leader, help me all the time in the Event. Kim from Red Hat Magazine: Interview around Fedora Project and Open Source concepts for Red hat Magazine (Thanx Kim and The Cam Man!) Today Friday I will go to La Plata ( The capital of the Province of Buenos Aires) to make the first presentation of Fedora Argentina. Nicolas will talk in radio in the morning. And looking for DVDs sent by Thomas and some created by us with Argentinian Artwork made by Nicholas. Tomorrow, Sat 28th, The second presentation of Fedora Argentina. At 12.00PM my speech about the project, and at 15hs the installation by Nicolas Corrarelo. At 3PM I will give a third talk about Fedora Argentina, in another FLISOL city at 48kms. (so, what a day!) MAY (to come) May 4th UADE FEDORA SHOWCASE. May 25th (to confirm) UAI FEDORA SHOWCASE So the next for June Neuquen (North Patagonia) Esteban Echeverria (Buenos Aires prov.) UBA (univesity buenos aires) Fedora will be part of the Dise?o Libre project speech by Julia Velasco (Institutional Relationships of Fedora Argentina, and Head Leader of Dise?oLibre.org) So two new universities to confirm.... So thats we are doing all this time. A lot, and a lot is coming! -- Pablo Barrera | Fedora Argentina Leader http://fedoraproject.org/Wiki/PabloBarrera pablo at proyectofedora.com.ar From wcervini at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 03:17:58 2007 From: wcervini at gmail.com (Walter Cervini) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flisol Newpaper Message-ID: <1177730278.5399.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Today in the Ultimas Noticias News paper. http://fedora-ve.org/. A little News about the flisol with 3 speech about Fedora. Gullermo Gomex speak about Fedora Project, Wilmer Jaramillo (Fedora Directory Server), Walter Cervini (Fireall and SELinux) Regards -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From mackay3 at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 19:18:14 2007 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:18:14 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FLISOL - Honduras Message-ID: <5d88dfb00704281218h1eeedcbcg3800f524e180e536@mail.gmail.com> Im sorry for not being able to post the event at the correct place, nor inform, but today Ill be at CURN (Regional University of The North) by myself and other people from my LUG attending the event. Its supossed the volume of people transitting in the place will be about 5,000 students Ill notify with all the correct procedures ASAP for the event at least to be registered properly. Also I will send another email after the event with photos :). Place: San Pedro Sula, Honduras, Central America Time 2:00 pm - 6 GMT Lo siento por no haber posteado el evento en los lugares correctos, o informar previamente, pero hoy ir? al CURN (Centro Universitario Regional el Norte) como FedorA Ambassaor y gente de mi LUG al evento. Se supone que por el lugar donde estaremos habra aproximadamente un volumen de 5,000 estudiantes. Cuando pueda terminare todos los procedimientos correctos para el registro al menos apropiado. Enviar? despu?s las fotos del evento :). Lugar: San Pedro Sula, Honduras, Am?rica Central Hora: 2:00 pm - 6 GMT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 28 20:43:43 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:43:43 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FLISOL - Honduras In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00704281218h1eeedcbcg3800f524e180e536@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d88dfb00704281218h1eeedcbcg3800f524e180e536@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4633B1FF.4000409@fedoraproject.org> Thank you for your feedback. Francesco ugolini John Mackay ha scritto: > Im sorry for not being able to post the event at the correct place, nor > inform, but today Ill be at CURN (Regional University of The North) by > myself and other people from my LUG attending the event. Its supossed > the volume of people transitting in the place will be about 5,000 > students Ill notify with all the correct procedures ASAP for the event > at least to be registered properly. Also I will send another email after > the event with photos :). > Place: > San Pedro Sula, Honduras, Central America > Time 2:00 pm > - 6 GMT > > Lo siento por no haber posteado el evento en los lugares correctos, o > informar previamente, pero hoy ir? al CURN (Centro Universitario > Regional el Norte) como FedorA Ambassaor y gente de mi LUG al evento. Se > supone que por el lugar donde estaremos habra aproximadamente un volumen > de 5,000 estudiantes. Cuando pueda terminare todos los procedimientos > correctos para el registro al menos apropiado. Enviar? despu?s las fotos > del evento :). > Lugar: > San Pedro Sula, Honduras, Am?rica Central > Hora: 2:00 pm > - 6 GMT > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 28 20:47:15 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:47:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Activities in Argentina since January In-Reply-To: <62363.190.50.157.69.1177649816.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.com.ar> References: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> <62363.190.50.157.69.1177649816.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.com.ar> Message-ID: <4633B2D3.8020809@fedoraproject.org> Thank you for your feedback and tanks to everybody who post their feedbacks year. I'm very grateful with all of you Francesco Ugolini Pablo Barrera ha scritto: > Hi Ambassadors! > Heres the news from the last four months > > As Leader of the CoreTeam of Proyecto Fedora Argentina, the activities day > by day are pretty hard. Dedicated almost 4 hours per day to talk to > Universities (the main target of the local project) creating contents for > the websites, strategic agreements with non profit organizations and > thigns like that, takes our work to the limit. But this limit is the > deepest sensation of "make the difference" . > > Since January, when I start the project in Buenos Aires, Julian Somodi ( > Director of Red Hat Southamerica) , spents hours with me talking about the > need to spread and "recreate" the Open Source community in Argentina. So, > thats the point, spread the knowledge with the Fedora weapons, means more > than spread Linux. Means transfer the knowledge for everyone. This is the > hire point of success of Fedora in Argentina. > > Our Activities in Time Line > December 26th 2006 > Red Hat SouthAmerica Offices. The plan was ready. Our main target will be > Universities, project starts January 8th. > JAN > -Proyecto Fedora Argentina Web site was ready. Later this was transfered > to a .com.ar domain for security reasons. A respin version of Joomla and > 47 hours of pacthing was necessary to put the site on line. > -Starting the Universities trip. UADE and UAI confirmed meetings for > Frebruary. > FEB > UADE and UAI accepted to collaborate with Fedora in Argentina. Confirming > Fedora Showcase for May, 2007 > The Induction Manual #| (A pressed magazine with 32 pages) was designed. > Santiago Silva from Red Hat developes my writings and modification of the > official installation manual. > The Argentinian DVD Edition was confirmed for FLISOL 2007. > MAR > I signed a " frame contract" with UAI, to start the FEdora local project > inside UAI since June. All the stuff are in preparation for late May. > Alejandro Casas (IBM/LUGUM) accept to spread Fedora Argentina in and > public University: UNMM. We start to work on line, to get some sponsors > and resources to make possible the presentation of Fedora Argentina in > FLISOL. Thanx to Alejandro for Support. > Lucas Coudures Joins the Team. Member of LUGUM (Linux Users Group > Universidad de la Matanza). Lucas become the leader webmaster of the > project. He is manager of the local mailing list, too. > LUGUM team visits Fedora and Red Hat team to spread Fedora and Red Hat > Activities in University of La Matanza.(The Lug University) > Nicolas, as a new ambassador, starts some talkings at OLPC meetings in > Buenos Aires. > APR > Lucas Coudures starts this own ambassador road. Good luck! (a lot of work > is coming!) > I traveled to Porto Alegre (Brazil) to FISL 8 2007, to give a little > speech about Proyecto Fedora Argentina in a 250 people audiences. David > Barzilay from Red Hat Brazil and Fedora Brazil Leader, help me all the > time in the Event. > Kim from Red Hat Magazine: Interview around Fedora Project and Open Source > concepts for Red hat Magazine (Thanx Kim and The Cam Man!) > Today Friday I will go to La Plata ( The capital of the Province of Buenos > Aires) to make the first presentation of Fedora Argentina. Nicolas will > talk in radio in the morning. And looking for DVDs sent by Thomas and some > created by us with Argentinian Artwork made by Nicholas. > Tomorrow, Sat 28th, The second presentation of Fedora Argentina. > At 12.00PM my speech about the project, and at 15hs the installation by > Nicolas Corrarelo. > At 3PM I will give a third talk about Fedora Argentina, in another FLISOL > city at 48kms. (so, what a day!) > MAY (to come) > May 4th UADE FEDORA SHOWCASE. > May 25th (to confirm) UAI FEDORA SHOWCASE > > So the next for June > Neuquen (North Patagonia) > Esteban Echeverria (Buenos Aires prov.) > UBA (univesity buenos aires) Fedora will be part of the Dise?o Libre > project speech by Julia Velasco (Institutional Relationships of Fedora > Argentina, and Head Leader of Dise?oLibre.org) > > So two new universities to confirm.... > > So thats we are doing all this time. > > A lot, and a lot is coming! > > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 29 07:56:54 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:56:54 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20070429095654.507bfe66@localhost.localdomain> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-04-29 / 18:30 UTC I call every French ambassadors to attend this meeting as no meeting will be held next week (presidential election) IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (29 avril) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . Tous les ambassadeurs fran?ais sont invit?s ? y participer car la r?union de la semaine prochaine n'aura pas lieu (?lection) Thomas From nihedmm at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 08:07:50 2007 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:07:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> Hi friends, Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 i want to see your opinion personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 because i have a bad connexion. http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 29 11:25:19 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:25:19 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4634809F.9000005@fedoraproject.org> If you want to reply to this mail please make this on Fedora Marketing List. For more info about this policy: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MergingIssue . Regards Francesco Ugolini nihed mbarek ha scritto: > Hi friends, > > Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 > i want to see your opinion > personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 because i have a bad > connexion. > http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 > > > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Sun Apr 29 17:26:05 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:26:05 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Report Flisol - Santiago de Chile Message-ID: <1177867565.3302.5.camel@trauco> I Amabassadors, as Fedora Ambassador for Chile I have participated in organization of Flisol in Santiago de Chile. Flisol is Latin american Free software fest install. This event is a mix of fest install, exhibitions and stands of free software groups. This year, Santiago have up 600 persons as visitor, installers and users( they come with their computers and we install Free Software and Linux on it). On event day I was on Fedora stand, showing Fedora Core 6 and Fedora 7 beta 4. I spoke with 60 people, some Fedora users and other new users. I spoke about benefits of use Fedora and repaired some problems of the installers as wireless module support, configuration of some programs and others. This event was on Informatics engineering Department of Universidad de Santiago de Chile (USACH). Starting at 11:00AM and ending at 08:00PM. The users who chose Fedora for installation went to home with a original Fedora Core 6 DVD. (They was 10 +-). 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URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 29 19:36:16 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:36:16 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <4634809F.9000005@fedoraproject.org> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <4634809F.9000005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704291236s71f1f97fp1363482fd6c3f093@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > If you want to reply to this mail please make this on Fedora Marketing List. > > For more info about this policy: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MergingIssue . > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > nihed mbarek ha scritto: > > Hi friends, > > > > Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 > > i want to see your opinion > > personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 because i have a bad > > connexion. > > http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 > > Yes, the article is better suited for fedora-marketing-list than fedora-ambassadors-list. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 29 19:37:53 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:37:53 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Report Flisol - Santiago de Chile In-Reply-To: <1177867565.3302.5.camel@trauco> References: <1177867565.3302.5.camel@trauco> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704291237y5efc882eibaade1674d90afaf@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/07, Eduardo Villagr?n Morales wrote: > I Amabassadors, > as Fedora Ambassador for Chile I have participated in organization of > Flisol in Santiago de Chile. Flisol is Latin american Free software fest > install. This event is a mix of fest install, exhibitions and stands of > free software groups. > This year, Santiago have up 600 persons as visitor, installers and > users( they come with their computers and we install Free Software and > Linux on it). > > On event day I was on Fedora stand, showing Fedora Core 6 and Fedora 7 > beta 4. > I spoke with 60 people, some Fedora users and other new users. I spoke > about benefits of use Fedora and repaired some problems of the > installers as wireless module support, configuration of some programs > and others. > > This event was on Informatics engineering Department of Universidad de > Santiago de Chile (USACH). Starting at 11:00AM and ending at 08:00PM. > > The users who chose Fedora for installation went to home with a original > Fedora Core 6 DVD. (They was 10 +-). > > Soon I will send a link to see pictures of this day. > > -- > Eduardo Villagr?n Morales [linuxuser:#384391] > Embajador Fedora - Chile > sip:gotencool at ekiga.net Thank you Eduardo, I'll submit this report to FWN. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 29 19:42:02 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] photos flisol 2007 Brasil - Bahia - Salvador In-Reply-To: <5db07cbd0704291037g3d106c8bo5762457afa06de0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5db07cbd0704291037g3d106c8bo5762457afa06de0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704291242l16cc47fv7918c1edc37b8ab0@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/07, Cristiano Furtado wrote: > Hi members, follow the photos of flisol in Salvador -Bahi - Brasil > The event was very good. > http://www.jasonnfedora.eti.br/flisol/ > Att, > > -- > Cristiano Furtado dos Santos > Gerente de TI - Projetos de Software Livre > http://jasonnfedora.eti.br > http://fedora.org.br Thank you Cristiano, I'l submit this report to FWN. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 29 19:49:31 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:49:31 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] French Meeting Minute In-Reply-To: <20070429095654.507bfe66@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070429095654.507bfe66@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070429214931.7b8eeb7f@localhost.localdomain> I'm glad to send you the meeting minute of the meeting. You can find all the meeting minutes of the French meeting in both French and English on : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions == Attendees == * ''MrTom'' : ThomasCanniot * ''llaumgui'' : GuillaumeKulakowski * ''[splinux]'' : DamienDurand * ''SmootherFrOgZ'' : XavierLamien * ''serenity'' : BenoitMarcelin == Community Members == * ''fclove'' : MarieGoeneutte * ''pingou'' : Pierre-YvesChibon == Summary == === English Version === '''1) Fedora-fr organisation''' No news today '''2) Fedora T-shirts''' Waiting for the creation of the organization '''3) Fedora-fr.org''' No news today, my love has gone away '''4) Fedora & local events'''' * '''''Fedora at Nantes (44) May 12th, 2007 (Armelk)''''' * fclove will need some DVDs. MrTom will send her some. * '''''Fedora at Maubeuge (59) June 02nd and 03rd, 2007 (trashy)''''' * No news today. * '''''Fedora at Montpellier(34) from June, 14th to June 16th , 2007 (llaumgui)'''' * No news today * '''''Fedora at Paris(75) June 23th 2007 (MrTom)''''' * One person is missing for a presentation * llaumgui had the idea to film the presentations. MrTom will ask Parinux (=Paris lug) if they have a movie camera. * llaumgui love M?lissa Torio *'''''Fedora at Lyon(69) 2007 (Pingoomax Sereinity)''''' * contacting partners. '''5) Fedora Project''' SmootherFrOgZ has nearly finished to translatethe new join page FC7 Translations are over. '''6) FreeMedia Program''' No new request for Belgium and no new request for France. '''7) Open discussions''' Nothing. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 10:31:14 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:01:14 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] The fedora project and local forums In-Reply-To: <200704261651.51110.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200704261651.51110.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <4635C572.3010408@fedoraproject.org> Sebastian Vahl wrote: > Hi. > > I've described in my "hello"-mail that I want to start a discussion about the > status of local forums inside/outside the project and also the contact with > them. There are many international community websites out there [1]. But ATM > their only relationship to the project is that they use fedora. That's a > point you have also noticed in a FAD last year [2]. > So I would like to talk about how to integrate them more into the project, > talk to them and so on. In my opinion forums and esp. local forums are the > users first touch with fedora (besides the installation itself). Of course > only for those that like forums - if they like IRC or mailinglists more they > can use the _official_ irc channels and mailinglists (and also in their > language). But the forums are normally called "community websites" - for > different reasons. But if we (as fedora project not as a lonely ambassador) > can get in contact with them and they get more involved in the project (as a > forum, not as a normal person) this could be a benefit for all of us. Sure. > The first question here is if you have already discussed this in the past? If > not it would be a good start to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of > this. I have some ideas for this but first I'd like to hear your opinion. :) This has been discussed multiple times before here and on fedora-websites list from a conversation initiated by me. Some website administrations have joined the project as ambassadors, translators etc but there is definitely more coordination required. * If these websites carry content that is useful they should try and merge the documentation into the fedoraproject.org website and documentation project as long as it fits in (nothing about proprietary software etc) * People actively involved in any of these community websites can be interested in doing translation work. Website, documentation and packages. * These regional websites sometimes host their own packages which could be avoided. There is usually no reason why they cant be merged into a bigger repository. Either the official one or with a standard third party repo. * Any promotional or marketing ideas should be shared and worked within a global team. * Feedback from users can be shared. Bug reports and enhancement requests should be made to Red Hat bugzilla instead of these forums so that developers can deal with them directly. Ambassadors who are already active in these regional websites need to bridge efforts. * Website team might have periodical meetings with other local forum and website administrators to enable this kind of coordination. Rahul From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 20:59:32 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:59:32 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Talking points for Fedora 7 release announcement - Part 2 Message-ID: <463658B4.5060802@fedoraproject.org> We have few weeks but i think we have really to work on Karsten proposal ( http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-February/msg00314.html ) to "write up a list of "talking points"" for Fedora 7. I want to know if someone want to take the guidance of this task, and who want to take part of this one. Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 23:08:02 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Email Alias Request Message-ID: <369bce3b0704301608y3053da51v31ebe576a4aa5be1@mail.gmail.com> All, As you know "firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org" email alias is no longer used as of last week[1] per Fedora Infrastructure Team. Only "accountname at fedoraproject.org" email alias[2] should be used from now on. I understand some of us are still using "firstname.lastname" for your important contacts and *really* need to continue using this convention. Thank to Mike McGrath, Fedora Ambassadors Team received a special permission to make rare exceptions to *only* existing and active Ambassadors with *good* reason. Here are some rules for such exceptions: 1) The additional alias for the Ambassadors must be firstname.lastname at fp.o convention if it's absolutely necessary. 2) Exceptions are made by Thomas Chung for the Ambassadors only. He has the final decision as to whether someone is eligible for the alias . 3) Careful precautions must be made to not cause collisions. (This would include looking out for suspicious aliases like senior.admin at fedoraproject.org 4) In addition, you must provide a very good reason why you must have firstnname.lastname email alias. Once again, we encourage you to use "accountname at fedoraproject.org" as your default email alias but if you must have "firstname.lastname" alias, please submit your request to me in private with following format. Subject: Email Alias Request - FedoraWikiname Fedora Account Name: Requesting Email Alias: Reason for Email Alias: Regards, [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-April/msg00004.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EmailAliases -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung