[Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors

Wed Apr 4 18:25:10 UTC 2007

2007/4/4, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org>:
>
> Yes, in the final draft I've made I'm talking only about marking
> inactive ambassadors who don't do anything, it doesn't change the
> AccountSystem membership, it will be only a tool to remember an
> Ambassador that is in the project.

..and maybe a link to unregister if the ambassador doesn't do anything and
will.

Regards
>
> Francesco Ugolini
>
> Casey Jones ha scritto:
> > Hi Francesco,
> >
> > I definitely agree with what you are saying and the overall philosophy
> of having a defined community.  I just didn't agree that threatening
> ambassadors with account suspensions is the way to go.  I just feel if we
> can remain positive and encouraging, we'll get a lot more members who will
> be willing to stay active within the community.
> >
> > I think the point has definitely reached many of us more silent
> members.  I will definitely contribute more to the discussions and share
> success stories when I can.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Casey
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Start Original Message -----
> > Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200
> > From: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org>
> > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
> >
> >> I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay
> >> together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't
> be
> >> an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others.
> >>
> >> A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first
> >> requisite for a community to follow this simple rule.
> >>
> >> But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer:
> >> reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists,
> >> telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be
> >> different, we won't be a community.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Francesco Ugolini
> >>
> >> Casey Jones ha scritto:
> >>> Jeffrey made some really good points.  When I first joined this group,
> what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire
> team.  Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming.  That
> positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of
> Fedora in my line of work.  I work with lots of very talented I.T.
> professionals who are very linux-savvy.  Many of them wouldn't have given
> any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and
> Slackware fans.  But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora
> and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools.  We
> are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs  into our processes at work as well.  I
> wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just
> allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions.  True,
> I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6
> downloads worldwide, this group's succe
>
> >  ss
> >>  s
> >>>  tories are not new news anymore.  That is a tribute to this
> incredible operating system and this team.  And, I would rather let the
> group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success
> stories.
> >>>
> >>> But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the
> inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive."  I would have no
> problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive."  But, please allow
> folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering
> information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run.
> >>>
> >>> My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much
> that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the
> whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community.  If
> a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules
> the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because
> they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for
> long due to their busy schedules.
> >>>
> >>> I think the intentions of this discussion are very good.  I just don't
> agree exactly with the proposed solution.
> >>>
> >>> Casey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Start Original Message -----
> >>> Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400
> >>> From: Jeffrey Tadlock <linux at elfshadow.net>
> >>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
> >>>
> >>>> Francesco Ugolini wrote:
> >>>>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not
> important to
> >>>>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to
> another
> >>>>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports.
> >>>> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be
> at
> >>>> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source
> events
> >>>> near them.  Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged.  But
> to
> >>>> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others
> inactive
> >>>> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very*
> >>>> short-sighted.  Why do we even want to risk alienating these people?
> >>>>
> >>>> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the
> >>>> project nothing.  Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been
> >>>> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause
> much
> >>>> more harm than any good it can bring us.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue?
> >>>>
> >>>> --Jeffrey
> >>>>
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