Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors

Thu Apr 5 00:55:01 UTC 2007

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Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:31:21 +0200
From: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org>
To: Casey Jones <caseyjones at runbox.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors

Yes, please write a message to the M-L with your modifications.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

Casey Jones ha scritto:
> Okay.  My apologies for having to have you resend.  I remember now that you mentioned the specifics in a previous email.  Thank you for resending them to me though.  
> 
> I agree with this now and see that it looks very feasible.  May I add one more activity that would keep a person in the active status?  I suggest that activity can also be measured by the ambassador burning and spreading CD's / DVD's with people new to Linux and Fedora.  I think the media outreach is a great way to get people actively involved with the community.  We could even provide a report that shares what the people thought who tried our CD's we distribute.  
> 
> Thanks so much for replying back personnally.  We can re-direct this thread back to the main distro list if you'd like.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Casey
> 
> 
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> Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:41:49 +0200
> From: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org>
> To: Casey Jones <caseyjones at runbox.com>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
> 
>> The Ambassadors who will stay inactive* for a year will be marked
>> Inactive in their personal wiki page and in the Ambassadors list.
>>
>> *(People that don't follow anything of this possible activities: Be a
>> speaker at an event, Collect feedback from community members,Promote
>> Fedora events, Distribute Press Releases to local press, Support and
>> Coordinate offline Fedora and Open Source activities, Participate in
>> weekly meetings, Follow Ambassadors Mailing lists etc... (if you have
>> more please tell me).)
>>
>> Casey Jones ha scritto:
>>> Okay.  That sounds pretty good to me.  Is there any way we can get a copy of the draft proposal you have written?
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Casey
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:25:06 +0200
>>> From: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org>
>>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
>>>
>>> Yes, in the final draft I've made I'm talking only about marking
>>> inactive ambassadors who don't do anything, it doesn't change the
>>> AccountSystem membership, it will be only a tool to remember an
>>> Ambassador that is in the project.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Francesco Ugolini
>>>
>>> Casey Jones ha scritto:
>>>> Hi Francesco,
>>>>
>>>> I definitely agree with what you are saying and the overall philosophy of having a defined community.  I just didn't agree that threatening ambassadors with account suspensions is the way to go.  I just feel if we can remain positive and encouraging, we'll get a lot more members who will be willing to stay active within the community.  
>>>>
>>>> I think the point has definitely reached many of us more silent members.  I will definitely contribute more to the discussions and share success stories when I can.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Casey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:29 +0200
>>>> From: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org>
>>>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
>>>>
>>>>> I want to repeat the reason of reports: we are a group, we must stay
>>>>> together, we can't absolutely work alone, if someone do this he won't be
>>>>> an ambassador but a simple user who share interest to others.
>>>>>
>>>>> A community is a group of people connected each other, it's the first
>>>>> requisite for a community to follow this simple rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> But here, how we can be connected each other? There is only an answer:
>>>>> reports, it doesn't matter if those are made trough irc, mailing lists,
>>>>> telephone, mail, email, it's important to communicate, if it would be
>>>>> different, we won't be a community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Francesco Ugolini
>>>>>
>>>>> Casey Jones ha scritto:
>>>>>> Jeffrey made some really good points.  When I first joined this group, what initially drew me in was the open-minded attitude of the entire team.  Right from the beginning, everyone was very warm and welcoming.  That positive attitude inspired me to be a very active and vocal supporter of Fedora in my line of work.  I work with lots of very talented I.T. professionals who are very linux-savvy.  Many of them wouldn't have given any thought to trying Fedora as they were already Ubuntu, Debian, and Slackware fans.  But, I have already gotten many of them to switch to Fedora and utilize its out-of-the-box security features and networking tools.  We are incorporating Fedora LiveCDs  into our processes at work as well.  I wouldn't have known about any of this had it not been for this group just allowing me to be a "fly-on-the-wall" for so long in the discussions.  True, I should be sharing success stories, but with over 1,000,000 Fedora 6 downloads worldwide, this group's su
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>>>>  ss
>>>>>  s
>>>>>>  tories are not new news anymore.  That is a tribute to this incredible operating system and this team.  And, I would rather let the group focus on resolving issues than take more time just hearing success stories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, because I don't report my success stories, I could see the inclination of the group to categorize me as "inactive."  I would have no problem with marking my name in the wiki as "inactive."  But, please allow folks like me to remain permanent members so that we can continue gathering information that is critical to helping us help Fedora in the long run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My other concern is that if we start to formalize this group too much that it becomes a corporate bureaucracy, we are taking Fedora away from the whole free spirited thinking that makes up the greater Linux community.  If a newcomer were to read terms and conditions that laid out these new rules the group is proposing, I would be worried they would be turned away because they would fear they wouldn't be able to keep up their active status for long due to their busy schedules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the intentions of this discussion are very good.  I just don't agree exactly with the proposed solution.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Casey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400
>>>>>> From: Jeffrey Tadlock <linux at elfshadow.net>
>>>>>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active/Inactive Ambassadors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>>>>>>>> Active Ambassador is a person who report his work, it's not important to
>>>>>>>> do this trough M-L or irc, he can send a mail to FAmSCo or to another
>>>>>>>> ambassadors that will report your activity, but we need reports.
>>>>>>> An active ambassador is someone that promotes Fedora - whether it be at 
>>>>>>> work, to friends and family, to their local LUG or at Open Source events 
>>>>>>> near them.  Reporting of those events is just icing on the cake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, communication is good and should certainly be encouraged.  But to 
>>>>>>> declare people such as Tony and Casey and certainly many others inactive 
>>>>>>> because they didn't report what they do on a regular basis is *very* 
>>>>>>> short-sighted.  Why do we even want to risk alienating these people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As someone else mentioned - having inactive ambassadors costs the 
>>>>>>> project nothing.  Trying to weed out inactive (I still haven't been 
>>>>>>> convinced we have a good way to determine activity yet) can cause much 
>>>>>>> more harm than any good it can bring us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where does the rest of FAMSCO stand on this issue?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Jeffrey
>>>>>>>
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